the agreement between versa to attend the wrong that this duty tories a very important than turkey is one of the protectors or be serious the turning of the integrity. but the, this, the groups uh, you know, run to get more stronger lender, a talk to probably the discharge. the government of bishop is that it would not bring something good for churches. now the turkish mind probably gave me that sort of mind. and the points combined would be how to stop those people to gather what's a syria and dresser. i think there will be a new type of a lawns the in the coming days. because if the $1.30 stories are the last to to bishop is south resume, then they do solve the laws for turkeys of the southern new jersey is finding gross as in a dilemma. yeah. if it does, then it doesn't. yeah. isn't that interesting that that's in very enlightening. come come a try there from who signed by to professor of international relations and founder

of the anchor of global advisory group science. thank you so much for your time and your commentary. thank you very much. thank you very much. i thank you for joining us here for this program. live from oscar, just about half past 7 in the evening. now, my colleague come on be here in half an hour's time. i do hope you can join him soon as a today, a conversation about security in africa cannot be complete without discussing the hospital home. for the safe of historians, we know that african is present from begun being opted on the 1st

day of october. the 2007 and the declared objective is security. one cannot choir with that. that they, united states of america being the hedge. i'm on, as it was for a long time post war. would one to stick to uh, strategic offsets on the i g o political position by being militarily present in different parts of the was i've always taken the view which is subject to debate that has not been a traditional color nies i in that sense and having been one of the gym ones that they might after this 2nd was well, the appetite of the united states of america to be the least amount of the world is one that we must never wish o x. it is indeed god that we know that in the united states of america

is different in these present in different parts of the world. and africa is no except, but she has learned from history so that high involvement with africa is not caught. it arise the eyes of being a domain and but is kind of her eyes as a more silly beneficial relationship. but is it, this is the question that we must suppose is if the relationship of you close is if the relationship that isn't what's really beneficial. i remember it's not so long ago when the former president of tons and yeah, was describing relationship between the united states of america and africa. and they said, if you, i have in a boxing much heavy way and the light weight in the same ring.

is it a bundle of the clothes? is it still a game, or it is a mazda by another name? you're suppose the question, when are i the, is that i do not horse? is it the relationship or you close? oh, there i the is the one who told me the name of the house. i want to submit that off for the com. and the relationship between the united states of america and many countries in africa who operate on the african is that relationship, which is between the hoss underwriter, the right up being the united states of america, the hoss being the many off with the country. and then as in title gave, what of the come claims it is do a number one. it mix the claim that there is a relationship which is primarily military and the military

relationship requires, among other things that our various military is in africa, trained occasionally with the in the countries on some offices then find them well as themselves in different training force in the united states of america. so training is a major component of it. the other argument is security, that they are many insides in african countries on many oswick on countries. i'm capable of controlling the boundaries on the apologize on the countries and they do not have the minutes the capacity to engage with these inside jim's or to control on the inside of the boundaries. this is both in time. no, i'm in the mighty of time regents whether you are talking about money, time boundaries in the atlantic ocean or the in the noise and therefore the present

in the to be good. they also met the pay that is a kind of exchange of dealing with the piece and therefore you need this kind of interaction. and of course the sod was the 4th one, which we don't talk about as we ought to, is the g or strategic position that africa finds ourselves on the military conflict in the united states of america. if you look on the districts now and you look at this stuff, districts in the sense that we are talking about the say no bonds don't do you said last african countries with the 50 full on. because this is a major market for the items that has been discarded in the united states of america. and very few african countries ever buying new aircraft or new tongues. this is also a dumping ground. it is also a dumping ground for ministry equipment. so the presence of africa home is

something that we never quite debate in the 5 different domain. many african countries say this is a no go area, because this concerns all a security and we ought not to debate that even our national funding them ins do not debate the question on issues relating to africa. because this is considered to be top secret. that is the domain of the executive and the domain of the military. and therefore, very few of us know what these particular country. but in the united states of america through a school mind, which as we know is headquartered in germany does. and that is through not only of can you know whichever countries involved in it, but it's true of countries that find themselves under the command which then bends the question. if we are talking about security, the, on the inside just the, on the control of the same time, we are talking about independence. what kind of independence do we enjoy when you

a military and when you uh, activities, particularly of a security nature. i've been guide that from outside number 2. does it give us the freedom to enter into collaboration with other countries with whom we may want to be friends? can we have, for example, without being questioned by the united states of america and thought into relationship with time with russia, with india, with brazil will with any other country. the answer is no. you may want to, but there is always big brazza with a gun on you ahead telling you you do these are you own better. so when we examine all 3 comb without going into the details of it, it must be understood in the context of why the edge on which is still

interested in ensuring that africa remains on the delays. that african remains a young brazza. although there must be of a side african remains a young nebraska who must be guided african remains a young nebraska, which is a musket after the guard remains a young abrazzo that must be guided in political areas, africa remains a continent that is within the sphere of influence which brings me into a subject that requires i left the discussion and interrogation african countries may make the claim or the bang george in defendant's african countries and africa may met the claim that they did the a judge on. we have no shortage of money that we give to our military. african countries may 1 to think, glad that,

but we must never forget that geo. strategically, in the interest of the united states of america, it is important that they remain in general control. and if you go to many of our frequent countries, you go to your boss, for example, look at some of the major military facilities that are out there. you go to the west on cape, i do see some of this, the going vessels. are you go to the indian ocean on the canyon farther? and we still know that you have told us the remains are major outposts for the united states of america, which is controlled lively from germany under the aspect of them. you then know that this idea o c, as of control, is still something that is very important to a countries such as the united states of america. of course egypt involvement in africa is one that is only is debatable. sometimes we say the i in but many times

they are not in because the relationship is differently defined. but in the not shall we say that we as the continent of africa, i still been in many ways controlled by a major fire and firewall. and it is not going to be easy in the short to medium done to liberate ourselves from the clutches. because the reality is that our military is in the prison constitution. and in the present was view, are still being controlled from that particular every now which in itself is something that is very critical to examine in terms of wrong, some security. because if you've been, was asked because they also got countries that the, and the control or the watch, or if you want the collaboration with the united states of america on the african. i use states in the event of war. when you are part of an arrangement over which

you have no control, i use safe, i us target for those because you collaborate that i use space from the i intelligence i use say from this quote to me, the answer is no. and that is why the, those who are now saying that this time is now the cost of the umbilical cord between african countries that are part of the food come on to reconstitute africa into on of the chemical month, which is controlled by africans on the if there is any collaboration at all that's calibration must be between the continent of africa as uniquely constituted. and if it can be done with the united states of america, with the russia, with china on any other country, without other countries being told that you cannot collaborate with us with us. because this is a sphere of influence. i look forward to that day and i look forward to there's

a different nation of the relationship between the african countries in the corporate status on the united states of america. you've been really defining our rating. remember that the and i'll come, one of the major components is training, on many honest with the countries, find the med cindy office has been trained in the united states of america on, via for them. the military cultures, of many of the countries is influencing, visited good if they are trained and commanded from the standpoint of, of become, even when it is physically located in germany. but of course, the manuals on the mode was operating the, is a fundamentally open america. nature, and we say these none of the costs off because not one friends, africa, one's friends, but africa, desire as friends, who are collaborating from us on point of equality,

not from us on point of donation. because if you add domain name to, even if you are told you are free, your freedom is on the mind in very different ways. if you are not in control of us security, then us security can be compromised. if you share us security intelligence with people who are not beholden to you, you are not safe because that intelligence can be manipulated to you at depth room . and if you are controlled in the name of collaboration through a system who detailed you do not on those funds, it means that you are susceptible to being destroyed and therefore of a penny. and that is something that the continent of africa, those who uh and is the delays of america through us become, must begin 3 and thought ok. and it is not lost on me that vices are beginning to

rise. which voices are saying the time is now for us to enjoy freedom so that we can negotiate our collaboration. so that week under this thing going engagement so that we can have an engagement of the close, not on engagement that is defined by in the quality on sometimes content. we must move in that direction. thank you very much. that as of a break, we have, i just been of the conversation. see you again, you know, show to watch the, [000:00:00;00] the