i am able to put my ca, eh, through them and anything else that is not in the interest or for this been for him to go to a highly so and then put in is not the kind that is going to be pushed or over a by americans and my medicaid is good notice back to for intentional and medicaid is good not expect for an international bodies that i meant to say god the way to ensure that the conflicts that resolved for the peaceful means. and they only do so if you disagree, but if he doesn't feel about them, they don't k, i mean look at the, they the american position in relation to the middle east and they, they condemn the i, c. c. so why don't know 5 is that gains missing out? and then promote what until further is intentional, let them do it is against putting that is inconsistent and pretend has been

committed serious crimes compared to what? nothing always done where he palmed his force creates his hospitalized children, children, and pregnant women and you know, send people and that day every day. and she's dead to prove that someone is engaged in a general site. and therefore the i, c. c has go to to t to ensure that there is compliance with the intentional. so i made a card game showing in se, ideally 8 way phase. know we had no to t a to issue a lot of us. that gives me nothing else. we want actually nothing else to be addressed it if it comes to so free, go to my side as the model that i do intend there ever since i have question to face it. anything problem to ask him if a need to know come to,

so definitely go when do you have a student? because he said those were not going to, we're going to address that at put team. and then what a similar problem not putting is going to have to come here for g 20 in november next to it. and we're seeing that there must have been come on and the allow him to come, eh, because i saw a friend. and i said to call me, didn't know crimes against us what i guess either human beings and we thought of being justified as to the actions that they have taken so that we think putting them on the way to come to it. and so as i forgetting that to no one's be advised that if he said he's 40, i think it's realistic to are based upon minute stuff is all benjamin natania. and before my defense minister, you'll have to go on the piece possible. you just need to come to this to be a complaint with the international law, 30 c. and what are the products that being issued? and everybody else has presented those where signatories, they've got

a georgie to make sure that to the centers. how would you come back? thanks. and that would come as a result of your aligning yourself with russia. the u. s. would come in the end, you would come in with things is how would you combat how would wednesday i was tentative for my goods now. duration so for, we're able to come back to those functions that they're waiting post on them and i sent and caught them in google. i under the sanctions. and ever so we, i p that a the where it is becoming am i to pull the last type of aware that way if this my guess lose other markets would open alternately if i mean it's a nice day where the police community am, if you're up close if america close, what can look at in the communities as to which ones can they take a our product we can produce for ourselves. see, do i says and produce for the continent is way the quotes. this is not necessarily

in time to connect to that. it seems when sort of between extended that, you know, i, me, but in congress, would it be un, evelyn had to trade with us. we can not allow me to go to continue to validate all of us on the basis that the power to impose sanctions. when i say that is but it's got to touch it and that if you're doing, i agree with me. i'm going to use a big but as i speak to silence, what would you say to the economic dependence of south africa on western states today? no, it's dependence on those i that a western states. it is a coven. i 1st met him now. yeah, waking those relations now when the select and you'll shift to those interests into or tentative interests because whatever we are teaching with the west doesn't mean we're kind of exchanged with other countries. there are many other countries and as who i thought to gauge in the support of advice. yeah. you should also know that

there wouldn't be consequences and a how do you come by those use that preparing what attended to for my kids. and they've been improving or treating relations with what i said. do you think countries with in africa have enough strength? i'm resources to be able to free themselves from, with the new colonialism they, they actually did forget in countries what is holding this way to get data without the applicant resources this people will not be it. what they, i mean if they, they will not be a concrete quote, friends if there was no athlete front, it is what it is because of the expectation of the resources of africa. and therefore, imagine if we amended us can do for that because countries how much those managers can do was it for us. so we must make sure that and we, we, we, we mission allies,

all island is owned by african state. we missed our lives or resources and we use those resources and that's what a lot of and the member had the resources to exchange a month's our selves and played free to go to that for can you corner it is not. well, of course we're now in the globalized where'd, where we need each other. but it doesn't mean obviously got, we thought this before would tie, hopefully get existed. we thought you've spoken about cuba and russia and some of the missiles that have been provided by russia in 2 baths. i want to know from you because the last time this happened did it did to n. yeah. an yeah, very and you know, kit will know if a rush or what to repeat that. what do you think would happen today? the medication would be thinking about it because i would, i should, can repeat it and the cubans without them because the cubans embarrassed that i

take a good relationship and with what i see and, and, and, and we received a lot of support from collection. so i've taught a medicaid and post and then pop going to and so and, and, and the whole thing is about this a new deal is so something so much that every move has to be part of the category to because you can create a new kill and no one west engaged in that kind of will. but the way i made a case dealing with an issue is dealing with it being the nicholas man. and if he doesn't take into account the possibility of engaging in kill, they have been reports that the u. s has ballistic missiles in poland. why do you think this has not brought the will to the brink of collapse at considering the statement that i made earlier on that if russia were again to supply mis files into the, the last time that happened as it relates to the near nuclear wall. but considering

the fact that the u. s. is making inroads and building these, these, these, these bases, particularly of this one in poland. why do you think that hasn't come to a point where we are reaching the stage of a nuclear? we'll see it is, it is water pointing in that direction and i left something it gets to be done. and then like i said in the election, see now made it kind of suggested that installation. today she made a calculations, it could be a possible improvement of relations, which can possibly avoid this a new deal. a does not in the best interest of any one a but a lot of action. so i'm not going to forward to their arms when they're being taught, attend a day to a winter start day for preparing in that direction, and it will not be good for intention of stability,

any intention of peace. every meta ought to be resolved peacefully. eh, through their bodies such as u. n. a, that i met a come us, that respect must not use individual power able to time down on to happy with a decision or the majority. which 6 to bring on followed the way to present stuff. south africa and russia, one of the countries that are advocating for multiple in the world. you pointed to this earlier on. and given the fact that the west wants to maintain its head, germany, what kind of ideas would you put forward to prevent wisdom conflicts that are taking place around the world? no, there multiple ways is the way out of this way. there is no big brand that wants to impose a so i would have few as one of the people of that and, and at the center of that, would it be tool, you know,

the engagement start charging it changes in the un, especially that you and so could take less time and do away with that the federal power, which wouldn't have a one confident that is good capacity to, to does. and, you know, undermine the majority. even if you vote or low few s one against that country does use the fatal. and that is a tool that attends in technician, that's the beauty. so we need to change this threat to a fan u m. and that this simple democratic that they told us a, such as that. and so what am i to, to, to my food, in the case all fair and that you and you can even say to say it is 2 things. one, but let to we or the my daughter to be respected. because now able to sing as that is being tended, it's a waste of time, as long as this, or that country,

which has go to the federal power, doesn't agree. it will revert to a very progressive court decision. you've paid a, you and decisions with biting. this morning that will weigh everything in the image . at least they made me progress super solutions that with a towards and in advice you eh, what could have taken a piece for the gold going to that fit less not expanded the network took place to a point where we put it in place in some stuff validity and security and it sort of need to because it will be forced to defend itself. i often hear a lot of people advocating for africa to have a permanent voice within the un security council. you mentioned a just now, but i would like to know from you what exactly needs to be done for africa to be recognized in that fashion for it to be a permanent voice that within the un security council. no, actually, i mean this,

i would love to come and, and all of us can continue into must be lifting puppets and they need to elect people when to challenge this, they test cool and not from a, an ellipse service. and they must be able to put that big case in such a way that the voice is, is being hacked. so we have a lot of loans that get either elected to yet in the continent big, good day. and then they go shopping. instead of going to find a tool for the coordination of desk and clinton. and so we've built up quite a long way to go with the live some of the countries in africa that has been paying quarterly out of texas to funds and things like that. and we expect such people to go to the u. n. secretes cancel or not create that africa must be added presented. so we need to forward it to go to question ties and take well with the african continent and position africa in the u. n. security concept at the same

level as in the child in the black she, i may be caught in or because video is that where you want a and i tried with what more resources than them. but what pretend like a web to step children of the went because i knew that she hasn't demonstrated that power to force their security concerns. and do you and to agree that application would be a permanent member or this could cancel. the security council is becoming one of the strategic organs, the of the you and then it's important that we have twice and that voice ought to be permanent, and it must fix the size, the same as the rest of the permanent members. i exercise, well, some african leaders have accused the waste of influence and outcomes of elections, or the even i choose the waste of coming into africa and the guys off come between

tibits and what would you say to such allegation is through they therefore lease mindfully to elections, especially in the concrete, it's where the institutions are not that in order in that regardless, and by the way in the middle, it'd be, as it is, the i know the opposite of us. and if you try to be an example of the got applied to the i me points of finger do that if you still want to stay here, this kind of things is not going to be taught at 850. we are at democracy. that is my trading, our people are becoming more clever and clever and a not up to a very long time when we realized through freedom in outside and the wisdom influence west, the west than influenza is through cochise, through media. now there is only tentative platforms to counter doesn't matter to.

that's why even when the mainstream media wants to say whatever it wants to say, as they were tentative media, gives us the correct information that we can critique, analyze, and accept which one becomes a better vision look at. out of to today. they, they tend to do so that we can, but nothing has stopped us from accessing that actually news. they thought we're lighting one day model, and that's how they wanted to influence us the west. so that they only feed us through the menus to the newspapers. what is actually the opinion between vice you and your create? the tentative media has given us very oddities of what the costs by doing in those countries. and so definitely got is in the much, much more better position now to see what with advice. yeah. well, with the palestine with the eh, and tube and things like that. the whole region is college investigating ukraine with regards to it's coming into this the hell we just put to keep

in a sedan. and so my idea was, it's weapons, they have a brewing, an ongoing conflict on the doorstep. why do you think they are diverting the resources in places like so done? when, like i said to, they don't have any, any must have power to, can even extend themselves to any other country be out always used as upfront as usual. no way ever you find your creed, they west and forces of interest that whatever it is. so it can be that confronted with, right, yeah, you can still open on that upfront. when do you know you, i'm really totally chinese. so it is not that the own fitness, the instability to be. it benefits the west, and that's why they are now sending the people to one to can to more confusion as

to where in that part of our clinton and so that there's no stability. and the continued to benefit from that being said, it was, this was me not to ask you since this the whole region is investigating ukraine for allegedly being in some of these regions in africa with weapons. it would be with missiles, me to ask you that. what do you think the, the, the african union been, would say about these actions by to that's what they should be able to do after getting, you know, ensure pronouncing satisfactory to way that is not going to allow that kind of contact in the, in the continent they're coming from you create and not leave the bay. there must tickets to the u. n. and to uphold for the containing of the act of federal credit because i'm acceptable by the one to it, a good day and the pockets of this. what would you say needs to reform in international institutions to literally be able to hold call figures to account

even given the fact that those instances, for example, with direct component, you've accused them of allowing nato in the instance of libya. do you think that coming up with ways to reform these international institutions would still go back and be able to trace these because in the involvement in the issues around the world, do you think that it is possible? it is possible, and that's why we're calling for the transformation of the security concept so that it can bite. and you know, it can be that the people who have committed such serious crimes, it doesn't matter when a guy left untouched. i mean then the people located the, the jews as bill being at us that till today do you find a man? what kind of walk you know, weird che, being tried because he was part of a they,

he less military consider that to the jewish people. so if we considered to what could we could do it with a jewish people, we might be able to do it with able to what way people away shield in unjustifiable men and or bubble was responsible and which was responsible in and 20 black. we webpage with you to follow them up for as long as you have alluded to mr. vladimir putin being in defense mode and so far of development they've between it's and ukraine. that is russia. where do you think the line is all the states defending its national security and escalations of tens? no, they, they, they, when you defend your territories, put in as maybe to get a get us. and he said to the president of ukraine does make it simpler pronouncement. that you're not reading that, it's as simple as that,

and the guy is, is not committing to that because a, i mean, is there committed anything tokens of west point to that? so that does that tend to can be pissing and then and when i shift, it is okay. if you continue with this, it will act in self defense, you know, as a way of push back. and then you'll create and insist. and if we escalate and there's no way a, if i chose not going to escalate if you create escalates. and especially with the kind of sophisticated web points that they do not have to like share is going to have to do with its own sophisticated weapons. and to defend itself. and america is to be blamed because america is the one that does supply new k. i talking about america, i want to go back to donald trump's. you did speak about him earlier on. i want to

ask you, what do you make copies impending 2nd to him in the white house given he's stones and the statement that he's made about africa. do you foresee any changes or weakening or strengthening of u. s. relations and africa? no, i expect to continuation of the same you as a true to us, the width and the republicans and the democrats. i've been saying these legs thing to me and if the customer makes that been very clear, it's like same to me. i might say differentiate between the 2 shoes and the one show a or the same pair of shoes. they say this one is better than the other one, but is the same. pay off show a bunch of wood with 2 different shoes. so eh, america, where the public enzo, democrats, the american interest, the supremacy to any of the interest. the difference is in the approach. like i

said to you, tom is not a plan not to go for. and he said men will believes that we can still like to what we want to achieve. so that means and what likely to see some form of a resolution in ukraine and that i should have because he's got some respective insightful and putting in what would see was going to happen in the middle east because they'd be yes eaten a lot of jewish money, so you may be, have it kindly t in taking a very clear spans when it comes to this affordable is that i can all of that. but if they don't only slightest smallest thing is that the guy is not different. that to go for it. and that have size because that's what we want. we want a peaceful resolution. but america, it'd been when they didn't have beans,

it will not intervening the best interest of anyone. it don't find the methods in mackenzie to continue american agenda even if it's not federal. let me move to the i m s, and the world bank and the influence within the economy of africa. do you think they are alternative financial institutions that can certainly help eliminate the economic, dia, condition of african states. but its bank must be strengthened. there must be more investment into pretty expand. it must be my investment in order, tentative banks, because the i m f and the world bank. i'm not interested in building up. the assistance to the african countries is to come up with them and say to them, you can perform such and then at $22.00. so you can put money in this in that, and you, when you look at that,

it is actually the things that you kind of put money in was that are 2 major things that they can buy. the responsibility offers date and when they say you can put the money in these things, spend, impose us better to manage us the excited cut ups in that state download to helping africa as far. so i think, but the more emphasis it has to be made that pain so such as but expand it should be strengthened. and so that they can be able to, to add up skin countries and the countries over the web that need and you know, so what i'm into but has got so much potential is on the american m a and with a pretty expand with that they have to buy some and buy or not, but it with it's progressive agenda. they should be a deliberate, you know, i joined an intention to have to but to spend on it. so i can start me to come in

by and still be able to, to start talking about breaks. i want to leave that as a parting shot and ask you where do you see bricks in the next 10 years? and what kind of, you know, ideas would you say breaks needs to continue unifying and becoming this global global south power sprig. see if that was an exciting or tentative platform, which is going to grow and the last se, but except me team, but i see a more members have joined them. and then we expect that there would be more advice because a little body embraces their platform, where they can expect themselves a way can their the way it way, the way they would see come with the tape and while come. and then that's the way it breaks east. we have a situation where a our people are able to exchange ideas and play together. and do this even talks

about coming with an order, tentative kind of in c, a i came to the door law and order of that. so it's an exciting development which we fully support. and then we hold with that kind of my daughter to the with being part of police and creeds. having land from this, ida and my tenants, not a bodies. what are their weaknesses? they don't to repeat this to me, let me stay. they actually provide, put, con, waking or attendant of okay. mr. melinda, as i said before, you are a busy man, and we do appreciate you taking the time to talk to us on our t. thank you so much for being here. the, the, [000:00:00;00]

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