like giving into previous tammy's good appetite for those things. so full was in order that any is already made to my expense, to an extent that you would want to put the pertain and then your president of ukraine under one roof, any categories of dismantle. he's didn't say i'm going to come in and intensify the fight and all of that. so it's not a high doing as the east. but on this mat, ties taking a very good consulate totally approach which can see that the path to the fight between ukraine and i see i'm coming to an end. it's not that ukraine will and i made a kennel age would be called for what a d. c. if a you will be a little up in the will add and therefore we must not be confused that there is a new ukraine that can i truly for the attendees, ability and piece of advice. yeah. without the support of this, once we're fighting a war for who are you,

why do you think the west continuously disregards the red line and disregard some of the warnings that have come from the president of russia himself, in the escalating the tension when the default is behaved like a big problem ever to board my ca, eh, through them and anything else that is not in the interest or for this then for him to go to the highway. so and then put in is not the kind that is going to be pushed or over a by americans and medicaid is good notice big to full. intentional medicaid is good, not expect for an international body. start at a meant to say got the way to, to ensure that the conflicts that resolved for the peaceful means. and they only do so if you disagree. but if he doesn't see about them, they don't k, i mean,

to look at in the american position in relation to the middle east. and they, they condemn the icy sees. why them till 5, it is that gains missing out. and then promote what until fundraising times. now what i'm doing is i can put to that is inconsistent and pretend as in for me to save as crimes compared to what nothing always done way. palmed as was create. she is hospitalized children, children, and pregnant women. and you know, send people and that every dansing's dad to prove that someone is engaged in a, a, to a site. and therefore the i, c, c has got a to t to ensure that that is compliance with the intent is not at all the. so i made it kind of game showing it said i'd really hate way in face. no, we have no to t k to issue

a lot of nevada as that goes and nothing else. we want actually nothing else to be tested. if it comes to so free, go to my side of the month or do i do it? and then ever since i have question to face it, anything problem to ask him if a meant to know comes to south africa? when do you have a student? because he said no, we're not going to, we're going to address that at putting. and then what a similar problem not pretend is going to have to come here for g 20 in november next year. eh, and was thinking that there must have been color and allow him to come, eh, because i saw a friend, and i see it. of course he didn't know crimes against us. what gains either human beings, we thought of being justified as to add the actions that they have taken. so that we think put in was the way to come to inside the forgetting that to no one's b at us. that if he said, says 40,

i think it's realistic to are based upon minnes stuff is all benjamin natania. and before my defense minister, you'll have to go on the piece puts up. what do you just need contest to be a complaint with the international law? 30 say, why don't apologize for being issued. and everybody else has presented. those was signatories. they've got to georgie to make sure that to the centers. how would you come back? thanks. and that would come as a result of your aligning yourself with russia. the us would come in the end, you would come in with things as how would you combat, how would, when do i was to take my goods. now that i shouldn't, so we were able to combine those functions that a waiting post on them. and i said to call them girl, i under the sanctions ever. so we, i p that a the way it is becoming, it might have to pull less type of aware that way. if this my guess lose other, my guess would open alternative. i mean, it's a nice day wedding,

the police community, and if you're up close, if america close, we can look at in the fix communities as to which ones can they take it? our product we can produce for ourselves, see, door says and produce for the continent is way, because this is not necessarily entirely correct to that. it's influence where we can extend that even though it may but, and congress will be unable to create a with us. we cannot allow me to go to continue to validate all of us on the basis that the power to impose sanctions when us, hey, that is what it's got to touch you. if you don't agree with me, i'm going to use a big but at the speak to silence. what would you say to the economic dependence of south africa on wisdom states today? no, it's dependence on those i that a west and states. it is a coven. as i 1st met him now. yeah,

waking those relations now when the toilet and you'll shift to those interests into or tentative interests. because whatever we are exchanging with the west doesn't mean we're kind of exchanged with other countries. there are many other countries. and as who are about to gauge in the support of vice. yeah. you should also know that there would be consequences and a how do you come by those? you start preparing what a tendency for my kids and they've been improving or treating relations with that. i said said, do you think countries with, in africa have enough strength? i'm resources to be able to feed themselves from with the new colonialism. they, they, they actually did african countries. what is holding this with to get a date, we thought the african resources this people would not be there. what do i mean

that they would not be a concrete quote to friends if the us and offering funds is what it is because of the expectation of the middle of the resources of africa. and therefore, imagine if we amended us can do for the course countries, how much those managers can do it for us. so we must make sure that we, we, we, we mission that lives. our land is owned by african state. we missed our lives or sources. and we use those resources, and that's what about it, and the member of the resources to ex, change amongst ourselves, and played free to go to that for can you corner it is not. well, of course we're now in the globalized with where we need each other, but it doesn't mean obviously got, we thought this before would tie absolutely exist that we thought we had spoken about too. but and russia and some of the missiles that have been provided by russia in 2 baths want to know sonya,

because the last time this happened did it did to n. yeah. an yeah, very near no key. it will. now, if russia what to repeat that, what do you think would happen today? that's what the medication would be thinking about, because i would, i should, can repeat it. and the cubans will not allowed them because the cubans in this but i tend to good relationship. and with what i see and, and, and, and the good received a lot of support from relation. so i've taught a medicaid and posted them by going to and so, and, and, and the whole thing is about this, a new deal is so something so much that every move has to be pro private, calculated because you can pretty con mcgill and no one was engaged in that kind of war. but the way a medicaid is dealing with an issue is dealing with it being available, nicholas, man. and he doesn't take into account the possibility to engaging in him until they

have been reports that the u. s. has ballistic missiles in poland. why do you think this has not brought the will to the brink of a collapse, considering the statement that i made earlier on that if russia were again to supply miss, i was into the, the last time that happened, it led to the new nuclear war. but considering the fact that the u. s. is making inroads and building these, these, these, these bases, particularly this one in poland. why do you think that hasn't come to a point where we are reaching the stage of a new kill? it is, it is a lot of pointing in that direction and unless something gets to be done. and then like i said in the election, so, you know, maybe kind of suggested that installation. today she made the calculations. it could be a possible improvement of relations which can possibly avoid this

a new deal. it is not in the best interest of any one a but a light infection. so i'm not going to forward to the ons window, the sort of tend they to a window start date for preparing in that direction. and it will not be good for intention. us the ability, any time you should have peace, every meta, or to be resolved peacefully eh, through their bodies such as you and that made a come us respect was not to use. it's a federal power. us able to time demo tape with a decision with the majority which 6 to bring about the way to present south africa and russia, one of the countries that are advocating for multiple in the world. you pointed to this earlier on. and given the fact that the west wants to maintain its head, germany, what kind of ideas would you put forward to prevent wisdom conflicts

that are taking place around the world? no, there multiple ways is the way out of this way. there is no big brand that wants to impose a so to have views when the people up the way it and, and at the center of that would it be to, you know, engage and start trying it changes in the way, especially that you and so could take less time and do away with that, the federal power, which wouldn't have a one content that is good capacity to, to does it, you know, undermine the majority. even if you vote or low few s one against that country does is a fatal. and that is a tool that attends intuition us. that'd be. so we need to change the structure of the u. n. and that this simple democratic, that they told us a, such as that and some of what am i to, to,

to my school. in the case all say that you and you can even say to say it is 2 things. one, but let to we or the my joy to, to be respected because now able to thing as that is being tended. it's a waste of time, as long as this, or that country which has go to federal power doesn't agree. it will revert to a very progressive court decision. you've paid a you and decisions with biting this morning that will way of being in the image. at least they made me progress. super resolution. is that with a towards am in advice you eh, what could have taken a piece for the gold going to that fit less not expanded the network to the police, to a point where we put it in place in since the ability and security and it's over they need to because it will be forced to defend itself. i often hear

a lot of people advocating for africa to have a permanent voice within the un security council. you mentioned a just now, but i would like to know from you what exactly needs to be done for africa to be recognized in that fashion for it to be a permanent voice that within the un security council. nor do i mean this. i would love to come and, and all of african clinton into most of the lifting puppets. they need to elect people when to challenge this. they test cool and not from a, an ellipse safety. and they must be able to put that big case in such a way that the voice is, is being hacked. so we have a lot of loans that get either elected to yet in the continent they go day and then they go shopping. instead of going to fight at to, for the coordination of the desk and clinton. and so we've built up quite a long way to go with the live some of the countries in africa that has been paying

quarterly out of texas to funds and, and, and things like that. and we expect such people to go to the you and secrets cancel or not create that. i've come with the added present it. so we need to pull it to go to question ties and take well with the african continent and position africa in the un security concept at the same level as in the child in the black, she may be caught in or because video is that where you want a and i tried with what more resources than them, but what created like a where the step children of the went because i knew that she hasn't demonstrated that power to force a security. it comes to and do you and to agree that application would be a permanent member or this could cancel. the security council is becoming one of the strategic organs eh,

of the you and then it's important that we have twice and that voice ought to be permanent, and it must exercise the same as the rest of permanent members. i exercise, well, some efforts and leaders have accused the waste of influence and outcomes of elections, or the even i choose the waste of coming into africa and the guys off competing tibits. and what would you say to such allegations is through they therefore lease mind inflated elections, especially in the congress where the institutions are not that in order in that regardless, and by the way in the middle, it'd be, as it is the i know, eh, observe us eh, and if you try to be an example of the got applied to the i me points of finger it's you that if you still want to stay here, this kind of things is not going to be taught at $850.00. we are at democracy, that is my trading. our people are becoming more clever and clever and they're not

up to a very long time when we realize through freedom even outside the western influence west, the west and influenza is through cochise, through media. now there is only tentative platforms to counter doesn't matter. that's why even when the mainstream media wants to see why david wants to see, as the tentative media gives us the correct information that we can critique, analyze, and accept which one becomes a better vision. look at out of to today they, they tend to do so that we can, but nothing has stopped us from accessing that. i can use steve thoughts with a lighting one day, my load. and that's how they wanted to influence us the west. so that they only feed us through the menus to the newspapers. what is actually the opinion between vice you and your create? your tentative media has given us the oddities of what the cost by doing in those

countries. and so the, the guy is in the much, much more better position now to see what we devise. yeah, well, with the palestine with the eh, and tube and things like that. the so how region is college investigating ukraine with regards to it's coming into this a hell reach us, particularly in a sedan and scenario with its weapons. they have a brewing an ongoing conflict on the doorstep. why do you think they are diverting the resources in places like so done? when, like i said to, they don't have any, any must have power to can be the next thing themselves to any other country. they are always used as upfront as usual. no way ever you find your creed, they west and forces of interest that whatever it is so it can be that

confronted with the right. yeah. you can still open that upfront. when do you know you want me to totally change? so it is not a, the own fitness, the instability to be, it benefits the west, and that's why they are now sending the people to one to point to more confusion as to where in that part of our clinton and so that there's no stability. and the continued to benefit from that being said, it was, this was me not to ask you since this the whole region is investigating ukraine for literally being in some of these regions in africa with weapons. it would be, this is me to ask you that, what do you think the, the, the african union been, would say about these actions by cuba? that's what they should be able to do after getting, you know, ensure pronouncing satisfactory to way that is not going to allow that kind of conduct in the, in the continent. they're coming from u. k. and not to leave the bay. there must tickets to the u. n a and to

uphold for the containing of the ex or federal credit because i'm acceptable by the one to it. a good the pockets of this. but what would you say needs to reform in international institutions to literally be able to hold causal figures to account even given the fact that those instances, for example, with a barrel component, you've accused them of allowing nato in the instance of libya. do you think that coming up with ways to reform these international institutions would still go back and be able to trace these because in that involvement in these issues around the world, do you think that it is possible? it is possible, and that's why we're calling for the transformation of difficult to concept so that it can bite. and you know,

it can be that the people who have committed such serious crimes. it doesn't matter when a guy left on test. i mean then the people killed the, the jews as bill being at us that till today do find a man what kind of walk you know, weird che, being tied because he was part of the day he left the military concert that the cute, the jewish people so if we can still do it, could we could do it with the jewish people, we must be able to do it with able to what with the point away, queued in an unjustifiable manner. and or bubble is that a sponsor board, and a bush was responsible in and 20 black we. we have a 20 to follow them up for as long as you have alluded to mr. vladimir putin being in defense mode. and so far as the developments there between it's and ukraine, that is russia. where do you think the line is all the states defending its

national security and escalations of tens? no, they did that. when you defend your territories, pretend as maybe to be able to get and he said to the president of ukraine, does make it simpler pronouncement that no training that it's as simple as that. and the guy is, is not committing to that because, you know, many is, are committed. and he said toby, himself, westport, that, so that does that, can, that can be tested and the, and when i say yes it is, okay. if you continue with this, it will act in self defense, you know, as a way of push back. and then you can insist, intervene, escalates as there's no way a, if i chose not going to escalate. if, if you create escalates, especially with the kind of sophisticated web points that they do not have,

collection is going to have to use its own sophisticated weapons and to defend itself. and america is to be blamed because america is the one that is a play new creek. a talking about america, i want to go back to donald trump. you did speak about him earlier on. i want to ask you, what do you make of his impending 2nd to him in the white house given he's stones and the statements that he's made about africa. do you for see any changes or weakening or strengthening of u. s. relations and africa? no, i expect to continuation of the same you as a true to us the way it and the republicans and the democrats are the same. and he's like saying to me and if it, the customer makes that been very clear. it's like saying to me, i might say differentiate between the 2 shoes and the one show

a or the same pair of shoes. they say this one is better than the other one, but is the same pay off show if i were to different shoes. so eh, and america, where they have popping against, or democrats, the american interest to suppress it in the interest. the difference is, in the approach, like i said to you, tom is not a plan not to go for. and he's a man who believes that we can relate to what we want to achieve for that means. and what likely to see some form of a resolution in ukraine. and i share because he's got some respective insightful and putting him in one see what's going to happen in, in the middle east because it'd be yes eaten a lot of jewish money. so you may be evident, kindly t in taking

a very curious band when it comes to this affordable is that i can all of that. but if they don't only slightest smallest thing is that the guy is not if we're not to go for it. and that helps size because that's what we want. we want a piece for the resolution. but america, even when it intervenes it, we're not intervening the best interest of anyone it or find are the methods in attendance to continue american agenda even if it's not for the will. let me move to the i, m f and the world bank and the influence within the economy of africa. do think they are alternative financial institutions that can certainly help a lift gate. the economic, dia, condition of african states. brooks. think most piece to the intent. there must be more investment into pretty expand, and the must be mind vestment in order,

tentative banks because the i m f and the world bank. i'm not impressed that team building of the assistance to the african countries is to come up with them and say to them you can perform such and then at 22. so kind of put money in this in that. and when you look at that, it is actually the things that do kind of put the money in, or instead of 2 major things that they can buy the responsibility or for state. and when they say you can put the money in these things, spend, impose, or 30 measures that excite eclipse in that state. they're not helping africa as far . so i think that the more emphasis of it has to be made at that time. so such as but expand it should be strengthened and so that they can be able to, to add up skin countries and the countries over there with that need. and you know,

it's not what i'm into but has got so much potential is on the american embalming. and with a pretty expand with that they have to buy something and buy or not. but it with it's progress. if i tend, they should be a deliberate. you know, i tend an intention to have to buy to spend on each or i can somebody to come and buy and still be able to, to solve the talking about breaks. i want to leave that as a parting shot and ask you, where do you see bricks in the next 10 years? and what kind of, you know, ideas would you say? breaks needs to continue unifying and becoming this global global south power sprig. see if that was an exciting or tentative platform which is going to grow and in the last se, but it's semi team, but i see a more members have joined and, and then we expect that there would be more. and that's because a little body embrace the feel platform where they can express themselves

a way can their the way the way they would see a come with the tape and wide. com. and that's the way it breaks east. we have a situation where a lot of people are able to exchange ideas and play together. and do this even talks about coming with an older, tentative kind of in c, a i came to the door law and order with that. so it's an exciting development which we fully support and then we hold with that. what kind of my daughter to the with being types of products and creeds, having land from this and that might tend this not to bodies. what are their weaknesses? they've done to repeat this to me and that mistake they actually provide put to kind of waking or tentative. okay, mr. melinda, as i've said before, you are a busy man, and we do appreciate you taking the time to talk to us on our t. thank you so much for being here. the.

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