like you strong so enough, listen to the that's the option or center you're welcome back to going underground pool. gusting around the world from you a tomorrow south africa and nation. the dismantled something of anglo american back to apologize. takes the helm of the g. 20. the 1st african country to do so. but what does the g twins even signifying a world way? us back escalations towards russia address closer to nuclear on the given in apartheid israel openly committed genocide didn't garza shielded by washington's complicity. if you crane as it was, may no longer exist, will israel exist as a whole in 50 as time after you k u. s. you um, genocide, that doesn't have to scar across a little humanity is males,

existence is questioned. in a new book, the killing of guys, a ripple. it's on a catastrophe. the was a long time calling this it is riley newspaper, har ets is gideon levy. he joins me again now from tel aviv. gideon, thanks so much for coming on one an amazing book as you be on any national curriculum so far. it is the definitive book of the genocide. i'll give me a before we get to to is ramsey existence. some tell me about what m is, you call him in you, i read columns is telling you about guys that when he gets through to you on the phone in the past few days, perhaps this week, even thank you for having me. close the phone and service. pleasure to be here. a m a is an old friend of mine who took me around in. busy a full years and years. it was a really good, very, very then trying to, they are there. and i know seeing the or the middle fix these that i was quite afraid to call him because i was afraid to hear that he was cute. but here and

there, i tried to look for he may, i can find it after a year, all of a sudden i saw his name on my cell or he couldn't corner me, he could just send this message is i call you mean me this thing back and then i realize that he so by easy access to after a stroke, no 10, see he told me about his day. do you guys you did last year? i didn't speak with him or was not seeing note about forwarding the spot there. busy anything else about the supervisor? but now how do surviving this horrible really just does a day of the day. what do you, what do you drink? what sends you as a toilet? i mean the most basic questions i'll just cover the syncing those on bikes, though. without the electricity, without anything, i'll do poke,

i mean really things that show what the tests or pay days, what the human catastrophe is taking place when we both to come out here. yeah. that's something of primo levy in your book give like you mentioned in, in your book the what, the word god. that means in the hebrew how they refer to gaza. does explain the yeah. garza and humorously saved us. uh. and as i is the 1st part of the road, as i say, which means hed. how. and she is right, go to his left plaza zoo, and sure enough is a to go so i can go ahead and start to do so a 19 full g 8 was transferring their thousands in pencil. so

jeez, will never go back. ever since 48 is when they gave me the game is turning does a to and but this time it is really a disadvantage because what is with the 2 guys uh, is, i'm comparable to watch it in the side. and i guess the both of us is not off of us. i live season guys, i can imagine him said for does it mean to be in the last 14 months, 15 months? so the minds in guys uh on the days a day and the day is ready by, by and take, i would say 130 to one place to the other. everything from the only faith or no income, no safe place to spend the night watching all those atrocities, seeing the style of ation, seeing the destruction. i mean, how can people survive these for me?

it's a big, big question about your rights in the book of how more and more palestinian teenagers in the occupied west bank are writing wheels these days in the wake of events in gaza. tell me about these wills that you write of you know, you know, place me in the freezer, he wrote very me immediately. yeah, one of them, one full time to die as a new way when a young guy is leaving home in the west bank, noting us and he's on comparable one day also. and one day goes. but even in the spring, which is every y due to life though, everything's aside from the base when he leaves. so in the morning, he never knows when he gets back. will it be arrested? will it be short? will you be injects, you relate to check once the everywhere, soldiers,

everywhere they come to your home at night is dogs. they come to home and they died . lice is sold hand always from the west bank. any roads many young b, but part of them also from their resistance to ride the loss. please write this the money because they see that their life is less investing and it might ends in any given moment. and of course, you refer in the book, it sort of split into before october, 7th of to and you talk of the so called left, just the phrase left. if you don't put an inverted comments, but it's a word that i think are given is abused. all around the world these days you say the 1st to lose their minds or as usual, the left just after the atrocities of october 7th, tell me about the so called left the distance of israel. so we may. busy characterize them into more precise way,

those that fairly solicitous as those uh, those will establish the state of his land in his stuff to show. so there probation established, they keep on saying, but also establish the settlements. there are those who want to see go visit them, said the neighbor as they consume, i'd say neighbors. they are hygiene. good. so to the oh yeah. demonstrating every set that they they are very defaulted. yeah. very proud about the more of the intention and more consciousness, and by the end of the day, they turn the back. so they'll to patient the problem type. so there just isn't this war. and those minds you are there was because he broke or c streaming to have you know, you have the right to biggest the race. he's to say this, uh,

the police things have no rights in this place. they, we never have any rights of this place. we are the chosen people. we serve every single day, is the best thing. and we should either transfer them all kids do. it's really sort of see both of these ones are better than what you're going to see. when it comes to the so called liberal a say me ever to base, i mean that much nicer. they don't speak like they really steam. so libra when day launching their own mirror. yeah. so so this content is there already profile. they are again so many things and they you but in favor of the listing and state one day, no, no, just see but one day one and one day one spot they, they wouldn't even be ready for this. but meanwhile, by just feeling so good about themselves by protesting against the right thing,

they never across the board, the, the never post that i asked basic questions. is there really a difference between you are the right thing is when it comes to the conventions of the supplement to the outside world, you don't for fighting bill to patients or their products or the segment. and what is your share in establishing or those spend on the nose posting no x t z. those questions? so don't raise their and us i think the crew is really list. so news. yeah. $4.00 for federalist. and they are the only, i don't think so the rights maintenance and where this is the teams. so it's really quite a questionnaire. but which one is better because both. so they said pointing so big pressing so much, you know, policing, google for anyhow. and of course,

the strategy arguably is to personify the genocide width netanyahu. there's a film called the b b files to have a design this film, arguably about the corruption and the trial of a upcoming trial load out of, of net and yahoo. they already preparing the way for blaming the old genocide, everything on nothing. yahoo and his wife and perhaps a couple of cabinet ministers. not as railey society as a whole. is that what they're already prepared to do? no, not blaming you don't is really savvy. and of course, britain, the united states and the european union supplying the weapons much before the war. they live protesting. there would be totally only one issue against that. then you only know that then you know as a redone, it just gets rid of the same or is when we turn into the beauty for moral. just

lays that the, just to be all those use the phone and then you know, there's no bigger lines in this that then the out in tennessee 5 or kind of that home in us personally, is corrupted. personally, he does things that i just want to do, but when it comes to the main issues, the main question, split the core of the problem. there's very little difference between them and that then, you know, and by fighting against that, then yelling, putting invoicing only against the it's, it creates a very uncomfortable something for that. because by there's, you know, even just blame of them. you know, with interest is fine. and you course that you focus on a fight against and then you finish. so what about you says, because the problem is the thing you know nothing but the team just let us get

trained a few minutes every single you'd be so new. and that's about the light that yeah, like i would say are so tending co a sense in the end, if i really am in a hurry board the way because they should know that the problems did not stop in the island. really not the end of the day, we didn't replace any show they replaced, no doubt about but to go through. every single thing is really a call from zillow. and before he goes to jail, is his only option now. uh and is enabled, is blinking the sullivan bite, and there's the only option before january for him to go to war with a ron re godless, of losing against a lebanese resistance this week. and they have to go to war with the run, even though it run, tried to connect to what was happening with the lebanon situation. is that going to be a will before january?

is a good chance to neil him to the about dates. but i'm not sure it's possible. i'm sure it's okay though. it might end up being a cut the surface away. but nobody knows a vision is going to have been for years. we've had told that he said cannot bleeds by and said he needs the assistance of the united states. and the question is, if they write that states when go forth and they don't have an answer for this, gideon levy, i'll stop you. the law from the high rights columnist and author of the killing of guys are reports on a catastrophe. after this break the the, [000:00:00;00]

the little far, the 1st going for the consent, free cities, dislikes any of the pacific capital of bicycle to son. of course, in the region this steve, in tradition, to basing house of weight is a fast to get people to know nationwide for the customs with ease and hospitality.

so let's go leave in the the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the higher ed calling this in order to kinda give you guys a reports on the catastrophe. gideon let me give you and you were talking about what the united states response would be, perhaps to any uh, nothing. yeah, a war on iran enabled by the u. u. k. and us, or do you think it's possible that all too many and if they're not killed by the 20th of january, trump has promised to lift the old military supply restrictions that the trump is going to go for. it's even harder. he's being criticizing netanyahu, or he's being criticizing all the ghost, harrison genocide, joe for not supplying enough leaves or weaponry to wipe off the palestinians. no, why don't we search often?

they are the result. these are pointed with so on. so much hopes ran back. obama came to power. we're going to show that g really, really change their bodies hills. they were not. it says so these right. and human wisdom, not only did the didn't happen. he just doesn't ship or the 82 is when the program is dangerous. well, i have a problem was they were just totally uncle issue. i mean is i is look for knowing what advice of united states is, look for on one request of the united states and stay in goods ever seeing cause no limits or goals. and this brings me to many question box and the full, i don't see the drum really changing the distribution of supporting is learn more than any other country in the world. was a big question,

mark is really use the most negative place in the one on the south. so much money from that. thanks. american. thank spam, but that's the american business of my business. my business is that this is cool. there's been a drawer in process, right. to add is as far as its own, it would try and since and mistakes and the united states is not doing kids and i have no answer. why. i mean, the american speaker most certainly thinks that they are strong is way none of them is implemented. and stay that it just continue for us and then the president of the station of the station to support is right. like, no other country without any conditions. i agree and the magic. and of course, the american excuses. oh, it's the terrorism. you say in the book,

the way of terra is the only way open to the palestinians to fight for the future. only when the bullets fly, the knives striking the rockets boom, do people remember that there is another people here with a terrible problem that must be resolved. i do expect even the, even though with regard to the so called excess of resistance, the tara will continue a new generation is being born this year of those who will try to destroy israel in the upcoming months and years. this is going to be seeing the role of the young people that does that. they're really seeing that we have a feel good. can they feel that is that any human being who can for goods, what is live done to them? think about they, they should that who are voting for these 3 and it shows that who are less or to no, no,

no one trauma dies. many times also have the kit to do the horrible additions for this thing that we can use them forever when they turn to their own should say . and now is can be of the substrate will receive more. so he's trying to use a complaining about a 0 and the word is listening care for today's complain. i don't know that the finish of their own, but if, if i know why it is killing civilians and civilians, damaging civilians is really, is a much bigger a fall switch to. so may civilians in this low and before so organizational territories and told the open question, who is the terrorize and what is the people to they really drive them by the student dr. davis,

what's ever they tried most labors as to when they applied to the security council . it's called the commodities to when they flies and the initial cold of just these, these labels as you go to when they apply to a boy to these rare is called economy codes here. so what is, can they do? i mean, except to is throwing dry sunday is really soldiers and, and then they hosting them and their host was coffee and but now what, what else can i do in order to get them on the steps for, for a few patients which is so the pool to which is supported by the war in actual smoking? no, generally i don't think so, but the nations and which is fine. doesn't show any size of intention to put an end to this page. what else can they do? accept of really exploding,

exploding mentally and exploding physics. it's all the same, but i don't see any other options for them. it's a lot of good. as nelson mandela said, to emphasize the use of atrocities even against the south african communist party at the time, out as the effective, october, 7th, being to destroy israel from the inside of not only you can all make believe is obviously the mass emigration out of israel. the jewish people have left the country, but is it destroying itself also in terms of free speech, i understand your newspaper high reps has been sanctioned just in the past few days . yeah, i surprise, surprise people so that we will be able to remain this labor of democracy for jules, while we are doing all those at joseph is in the west bank and gaza and also to the is there anybody stand still there?

but his students always very citizens or they believe under certain kinds of about the end result. this framework in this context isn't really remained a member of the so came the last few years, even before the war. when this government came into power, the last one which is the most racist broadway. but if i head and believe me the, the age of these, it will be the most racist government here because the start of this claim for these fame and privately so. but in any case, this one has no doubt is the most racist government he had. and now this government is not only a new ink and tom rates, or is it but a scene? yes, they want to change them or something good. maybe clear. so it should be gave them a listen to them carefully. we should see what happened in hungary,

ambrose. we imagine, you know, in a many other countries i would be styled and where did it leave? and we are exemption in the same process and those limbo and his range of so probably about the democracy, this feline the john good as they likes to go to we, they surprise very sort of and that we make up to a defense reality. so yes, i isn't proven in june is waiting there. sure thing. so golden does this thing. so gold i still gain total for the whole stage, but i know very where the contact is for wanted. and i know very well that if this we continue enjoying the service or an over as well, john was jewish or not in the european union or britain obviously would be accused of elegy semitism. if the and they wrote,

even some of the headlines evaluates over the past few months. our is riley's watching on social media. what is happening in gaza? are they not watching what the rest of the world is watching? and they're not able to they can what she thinks they want, nothing is learning media because these are recruited and since around $32.00, as for the patient right now to avoid the scene. so guys, uh, you know, the, to use the us and read this and not above it. but if you are very interested, you can obviously easily photo what's going on and goes up like i do like, anyone can do. probably nice that it's not like to meet you guys doing something which eh, but this, it points, it's quite a few of us know this. explain the older ones. they don't want to know. first, they didn't want it, you know,

full dictates the bogo to page and they don't want to know about it contained this very moment. and now they don't want to know and just think about the, the physical scouts of the punishment of the mess. kidding, didn't go so they don't want to know about the dancing because you don't think it might be might makes you uncomfortable and who wants to be concerned about sleep? i don't know, he doesn't exist. and then also is much easier to affect the owner, but don't blame the decision to so the whole thing is the same, the semi did you know? no one's going going goes up. oh, can you blame those for social from what's going on in? got the nobody said never by the guess. so you've created and bought the image is ready to go. first them says alter disconnected from where the

t living unit told the environment that what you're writing. the book about roger watch is a friend of the show, the founder, pink floyd, weeping of gaza. that you say a great man of conscience. to the surprise you that in the european union in the united states and britain, there are so few artists that are daring to even speak about genocide in your region. our region. i'm not surprised because they know how strong is the pro israeli machinery, the process these low bees, the joy shelby's and the game feeling. so, and this what is valuable to taking those just if i get feelings. and unfortunately, people like roger, my dear friend, why really in my door was a man and i was so great for me to get to know him from very close for

a few years. uh, quite a few years now. but he is really outstanding and, and then a great exception. i knew how well they don't tell you the price is to pay for it. i will do both trade, even though i must tell you that these laws towards the world was as much as i know there was very successful. so you can stand for your principles for your morality, and still be accepted by very big service in the district. this well to lower than college who don't dare to say, well 200 saying, well the rest of the world is against you, arguably does the point, the rise of bricks and so on. so i suppose finally i go to ask you, and it's a question. you posing the book will, is rail, exist in the matter of 50 is as you say, is in, in the book. does it look like that israel, the whole is ready,

project is coming to an end of those to nobody to possible. if i ask to 0 to any other country in the us, and i sing the source on the about the is the question is know which is linux is the question is what kind of is what really? and the only 2 possibilities are they will be. and above date states, it's low, always we'd be a democracy. it might turn into a price, they found them and police the religious nation, at least. and obviously have been kept by a fisher about that is the, is the word religion go on to the 1st time of its history into a real democracy in which in quarantine, when the israelis for that to be slowed them over soon though the quantity and the

quarter g is the biggest contribution between these well ends that i did as a group for the going to use what is ever seen except of the quote for all the people who buy the the so as you get in larry, thank you. i think it's still hostile, i think it's always a pleasure. that's it for the show. gideon's new book, beginning of guys, a ripple. it's on the catastrophe as i've now i've continued condolences to those surviving the u. k. u s. u, i'm genocide here in this region. where we back on monday when it's when he's ready for the socialist u. s. presidential candidate who oppose the genocide but failed to be drawn to the white house until then keep in touch with the social media. if it's on the sense of your country and head to a general going on the warranty, the hon, they'll come to watch new and old episodes of going underground. so you monday,

the what's the use of done he's by all means so is only because part of human duty and crisis of all types, like we're talking about almost 26000000 a beat for flaws interiors needs. and you know, i'm talking about 12000000 displays. we are talking about 9 really in tutoring, outside of the schools. my d. n. a students uh, both combined municipal executives, if you will have the uh, the, the codes in the way of seeing katy and crisis news