pricey, unless he is doing so with this up board or something, but it does include thing that natural forces in america and we know today that did i just the case? so if that's what we said you are not going to infringe or not i, that people use territories and i try to attend that sort of need see in depth cheese. they kind of make developments and expect them to come forward and not what they see on that meta. i'm sure you've seen the recent developments with the united states of america has allowed ukraine to strike deep into rushes territory by supplying and approving the use of long range weapons. now, if you were the president of russia, mister vladimir puts in, what would you do in this kind of situation? he is to defend the issue. there is no any other way to do it. and then like i said, you clean is good, no capacity to use the kind of whip ones that they're using. they don't have them.

those are american a web points, which means america has declared war against them. and i see and word muscle right here to pressure almost defend itself by also attending to a medic and, and we have really like a feedback perhaps with a thompson election because it doesn't look like a like giving into previous tammy's good appetite for those things. so for as an auto, that any is already made to my expense, to an extent that you would want to put the pertain and then you put it into a few clean under one roof and you can't resolve this matter. he's didn't say i'm going to come in and intensify the fight and all of that. so i think snotty and there's hi doing as ease on this mat ties taking a very good consulate approach, which can see that the path to the fight between ukraine and i see i've,

if you're coming to an end, it's not that ukraine will. it's an american will h would be called for what a d. c. if a you will be a little up in will add and therefore we must not be confused that there is a new ukraine that can i try to attend this ability and a piece of advice. yeah. without the support of this, once we're fighting a war for a why do you think the west continuously disregards the red line and disregard some of the warnings that have come from the president of russia himself, in the escalating the tension? well, the for the is be like a big brother and able to put my ca, eh, through them and anything else that is not in the interest or for this then for it to go to a highway. so and then put in is not the kind that is going to be pushed or over

a by americans and medicaid is good notice big to full. intentional medicaid is good, not expect for an international body. start at a meant to say got the way to, to ensure that the conflicts that resolved for the peaceful means. and they only do so if you disagree. but if he doesn't feel about them, they don't k. i mean, look at, in the american position, in relation to the middle east and they, they condemned the icbc is why the 5, it has decades missing out there and then promote what it until friday. sometimes. now i don't know if that is i can put to that is inconsistent and pretend has been committed save as crimes compared to what, nothing always done, where he palmed his pores creates his costs because children, children, and pregnant women and nothing the poor and that day every day and so he's dead to

prove that someone is engaged in a general site. and therefore the i, c. c has got a to team to ensure that that is compliance within 10 percent of all the. so i made a copy of a showing, in se, ideally 8 way it's phase. know we have no to t k to issue a lot under products. that gives me nothing else. we want actually nothing else to be tested. if it comes to sort of the free go to my side of the level that i do intend in edison, i have question to face it into problem to ask him if a meant to know comes to south africa. when do you have a student? because he said those were not going to, we're going to address that at putting and then what a similar problem not pretend is going to have to come here for g 20 in november next to it. and we're seeing that there must have been color and allow him to come,

eh, because i saw a friend, and i see it. of course he didn't know crimes against us. what gains either human beings, we thought of being justified as to add the actions to it they have taken. so that we think put in was the way to come to inside the forgetting that to no one's b at us. that if he said it's for the good, think it's realistic to are based upon minutes stuff is all benjamin natania and the former defense minister, you'll walk along the these posts up. what do you just need contest to be a complaint with the international law? 30 say, and what are the products that being issued? and everybody else has presented those where signatories, they've got a georgie to make sure that the scientists, how would you come back? thanks. and that would come as a result of your aligning yourself with russia. the u. s would come in the end, you would come in what saying says, how would you combat,

how would wednesday i was tentative. my goods now that i sions, of where we're able to come back to those functions that they're waiting post on them. and i sent in, caught them girl, i under the sanctions ever. so we, i p that a the where it is becoming it might have to pull less type of aware that way if this my guess those other markets would open. alternately, if i mean it's a nice day where the police community and if you're up close, if america close, we can look at in the fix communities as to which ones can they take it our product, we can produce for ourselves, fi devices and produce for the continent is way because it's not necessarily entirely correct to that. it's influence where we can extend that even though it may but, and congress would it be un evelyn add to trade with us. we can not allow me to go to continue to validate all of us on the basis that the power to impose sanctions.

when i say that it's but it's got to touch it. and that if you don't, i agree with me. i'm going to use a big but as i speak to silence, what would you say to the economic dependence of south africa on wisdom states today? no, it's dependence on those i that a western states. it is a coven. i 1st met him now. yeah, waking those relations now when the toilet and you'll shift to those interests in toward tentative interest because whatever we are exchanging with the west doesn't mean we're kind of exchanged with other countries. there are many other countries and as who are about to gauge in the support of vice. yeah. you should also know that there would be consequences and a how do you come by those? you start preparing what a tendency for my kids and they've been improving or treating relations. so what's

that? i said, sense, do you think countries with in africa have enough strength and resources to be able to free themselves from, with the new colonialism. they, they, they actually did african countries. what is holding this with to get data? we thought the applicant resources this people would not be there. what do i mean that they would not be a concrete quote to funds if the us know athlete funds is what it is because of the expectation of the resources of africa and therefore a my didn't, if we amended us can do for the poorest countries, how much those members can do it for us. so we must make sure that and we, we, we, we mission that lives. our land is owned by african state. we missed our lives or the sources. and we use those resources and that sort around, and the member of the resources to ex,

change amongst ourselves and played free to go to that for can you corner it is not . well, of course we're now in the globalized with where we need each other. but it doesn't mean obviously got we thought this before would tie after the gigs these that we thought we had spoken about to, but, and russia and some of the missiles that have been provided by russia in 2 baths. i want to know from you because the last time this happened did it did to n. yeah. an yeah, very near no key. it will. now if russia what to repeat that, what do you think would happen today? that's what the medication would be thinking about. because of that, what i should can repeat and the cubans will not allowed them because the cubans in this but i tend to good relationship. and with what i see and, and, and, and the good received a lot of support from collection. so i've talked a medicaid and posted them by going to and so and, and, and the whole thing is about this. a new deal is something so much that

every move has to be pro private, calculated because you can pretty con mcgill and no one wants to engage in that kind of war. but the way a medicaid is dealing with an issue is dealing with it being available, nicholas, man. and if he doesn't take into account the possibility to engaging in an appeal that happened, reports that the u. s. has ballistic missiles in poland. why do you think this has not brought the will to the brink of a collapse, considering the statement that i made earlier on that if russia were again to supply mis files into the, the last time that happened could lead to the near nuclear wall. but considering the fact that the u. s. is making inroads and building these, these, these, these bases, particularly this one in poland. why do you think that hasn't come to

a point where we are reaching the stage of a new kill? it is, it is a lot of printing in that direction and i left something it gets to be done. and, and i like i said, india the election. so, you know, maybe kind of suggested that installation today, she made the calculations, the could be a possible improvement of relations, which can possibly avoid this a new deal. a does not in the best interest of anyone a but a lot of action. so i'm not going to for the, the, i'm, when they're being taught, attend a day to a when to start date for preparing in that direction. and it will not be good for intention. us the ability, any tension i piece, every meta or to be resolved peacefully eh, through their bodies such as you and that made a come us respect as not to use individual po, us able to time dental to a be with

a decision with the majority which 6, to bring about the way to present south africa and russia, one of the countries that are advocating for multiple in the world. you pointed to this earlier on. and given the fact that the west wants to maintain its head, germany, what kind of ideas would you put forward to prevent wisdom conflicts that are taking place around the world? no, there multiple ways is the way out of this way. there is no big brand that wants to impose a so to have views when the people up the way it and, and at the center of that would it be to, you know, engage and start trying it changes in the way, especially that you and so could take less time and do away with that the federal power, which wouldn't have a one confident that is good capacity to just and,

you know, undermine the majority. even if you vote or low. few s, one against that concrete does use a fatal, and that is a tool that attends intuition us. that'd be so we need to change this to that time frame and the u. m. and that this simple democratic, that they told us a, such as that. and so what am i to, to, to my food, in the case all fit in the u. n, you can even say to say it is 2 things. one, but let to be we or the my daughter to be respected because now able to thing as that is being tended. it's a waste of time, as long as this, or that country, which has good federal power, doesn't agree. it will revert to a very progressive court decision. you've paid a you and decisions with biting this morning that will weigh everything in the image. at least they made me progress super solutions that with

a towards m. in advice you eh, what could have taken a piece for the gold wrote that said less not expanded in network territories. to a point where we put it in place in since the ability and security and it's of any t because it will be forced to defend the 2. it's also, yeah, a lot of people advocating for africa to have a permanent voice within the un security council. you mentioned a just now, but i would like to know from you what exactly needs to be done for africa to be recognized in that fashion for it to be a permanent voice that within the un security council. no, do i mean this? i'll definitely come and, and all of us can continue into most of the lifting puppets. they need to elect people when to challenge this. they test cool and not from a live series. and they must be able to put that big case in such

a way that the voice is, is being hacked. so we have a lot of loans that get either elected to yet in the continent they go day and then they go shopping. instead of going to find a tool for the coordination of desk and clinton. and so we've built up quite a long way to go with the live some of the countries in africa that has been paying quarterly out of texas to funds and things like that. and we expect such people to go to the u. n. secrets counseling. i agree that africa must be added presenting. so we need to pull it to go to question ties and take well with the african continent and position africa in the u. n. security concept at the same level as in the child in the but i see i may be caught in or because video t is that where you want a and i tried with with more resources than them. but what pretend like

a web to step children of the way because i knew that she hasn't demonstrated that power to force their security. it comes the end, do you and to agree that application would be a permanent member or this could cancel. the security council is becoming one of the strategic organs, say of the you and then it's important that we have twice and that voice ought to be permanent, and it must exercise the same as the rest of the permanent members. i exercise, well, some efforts and leaders have accused the waste of influence and outcomes of elections, or that even i choose the waste of coming into africa and the guy's off, come the thing tibbets. and what would you say to such allegation is through they therefore leaves my new political elections, especially in the congress where the institutions are not that in

order in that regardless. and by the way, in the middle, it'd be, as it is, the, i know the opposite of us. and if you try to be an example of the got applied to the i me points of finger, it's you that if you still want to stay here, this kind of things is not going to be taught identity. we are at democracy, that is so much. why didn't our people are becoming more clever and clever and a not. after we had a long time when we realized through freedom in outside the western influence west, the west, the influenza is through cochise, through media. now there is only tentative platforms to counter doesn't matter to. that's why even when the mainstream media wants to say whatever it wants to say. they were tentative media gives us the correct information that we can critique, analyze, and accept which one becomes a better vision. look at out of to today they, they tend to do so the feet,

but nothing has stopped us from accessing that. like a news. they thought were lighting one day, my load and that's how they wanted to influence us, the west. so that they only feed us through the menus to the newspapers. what is actually a pending between device you and your create? the tentative media has given us the oddities of what the cost by doing in those countries. and so the guy is in the much, much more better position now to see what we thought i shot. well, we'd palestine with the eh, and tube and things like that. the whole region is college investigating ukraine with regards to it's coming into this a hell regions, particularly in a sedan. and so my idea was, it's weapons, they have a brewing, an ongoing conflict on the doorstep. why do you think they are diverting the

resources in places like so done with, like i said to, they don't have any, any must have power to, can even extend themselves to any other country be out always used as upfront as usual. no way ever. you'll find your creed, they west and forces of interest that whatever it is so it can be that confronted with, right? yeah. you can still open that up front. when do you know you? i'm really totally changed. so it is not that the own business. the instability to be it benefits the west, and that's why they are now sending the people to one to point to more confusion as to where in that part of our clinton in so that there's no stability and they'll continue to benefit from that. and so it was, this was me not to ask you since this the how we turn is investigating ukraine for

literally being in some of these regions in africa with weapons. it would be with this is me to ask you that. what do you think the, the african union then would say about these actions by to that's what they should be able to do after getting, you know, short pronouncing satisfactory twit that is not going to allow that kind of contact in the, in the continent. they're coming from u k and not leave the bay. there must tickets to the u. n. n to paul for the containing of the act of federal credit because that i'm acceptable by the one to it. a good the pockets of this. but what would you say needs to reform in international institutions to literally be able to hold call figures to account even given the fact that those instances, for example, with a barrel coupon, that you've accused them of allowing nato in the instance of libya. do you think

that coming up with ways to reform these international institutions would still go back and be able to trace these because in that involvement in these issues around the world, do you think that it is possible? it is possible, and that's why we're calling for the transformation of difficult to concept so that it can bite. and you know, it can be that a people who have committed such serious crimes. it doesn't matter when they are left untouched. i mean then the people killed the, the jews as bill being others that till today do you find a man? what kind of walk you know, weird che, being tried because he was part of a heap, less military. consider that to the jewish people. so if we can do it, could we could do it with a jewish people, we must be able to do it with able to what way people one way killed in an

unjustifiable manner and or bubble was responsible and which was responsible. and in 20 black we, we have a 20 to follow them up for as long as you have alluded to mr. flog me putin being in defense mode. and so far as the developments there between it's and ukraine, that is russia. where do you think the line is all the states defending its national security and escalations of tens? no, they did the when you defend your territories, pretend as maybe to be able to get and you said to the president of ukraine does make it simpler pronouncement that i know tweeting that it's as simple as that. and the guy is, is not committing to that because a, i mean, a, is a commitment needs, i told him himself, westport, that so that does that. can that can be pissing and the,

and when i shift is okay if you continue with this and will act in self defense, you know, as a way or push back. and then you insist and intervene escalates . there's no way a virtue is not going to escalate if you create escalates and especially with the kind of sophisticated weapons that they do not have a pleasure is going to have to use its own sophisticated weapons and to defend itself. and america is to be blamed because america is the one that is supplied new creek. a talking about america, i want to go back to donald trump. you did speak about him earlier on. i want to ask you, what do you make of his impending 2nd to him in the white house given he's stones and the statements that he's made about africa. do you for see any changes or weakening or strengthening of u. s. relations and africa?

no, i expect the continuation of the same you as a teacher to us, the width and the republicans and the democrats are the same. these like saying to me, and if, if the customer makes that been very clear, is like same to me. i might say differentiate between the 2 shoes or the one show a or the same pair of shoes. same, say this one is better than the other one, but is the same pair of shoes. a bunch of wood with 2 different shoes. so, eh, in america, it, whether the public, as or democrats, the american interest to supercede in the interest. the difference is in the approach. like i said to you, tom is not a plan not to go for. and he's a man will believes that we can relate to what we want to achieve. so that means

and what likely to see some form of a resolution in ukraine. and i share because he's got some respective insightful and putting in what we want to see was going to happen in, in the middle east because it'd be, yes. it's in a lot of jewish money. so you may be having to try the key in taking a very key as don is when it comes to the support of these that i then all of that . but if they don't only slightest smallest thing is that the guy is not. if i'm not to go for it and that helps size because that's what we want. we want a piece for the resolution. but america, even when it intervenes, it will allow the intervening the best interest of anyone it or find are the methods in attendance to continue american agenda, even if it's not for the will. let me move to the i,

m f and the world bank and the influence within the economy of africa. do think they are alternative financial institutions that can certainly help a lift gate. the economic, dia, condition of african states. brooks think must be student and there must be more investment into pretty expand and the must be mind vestment in order, tentative banks. because the i m f and the world bank. i'm not interested in building a freaking the assistance to the african countries is to come up with them and say to them, you can perform such a in the expertise who can put money in this in that. and you, when you look at that, it is actually the things that you kind of put the money in, or 32 major things that they can buy, the responsibility offers date. and when they say you can put the money in these things spend imposes better to measure the exile eclipse in that state. they're not

helping africa as far. so i think that the more emphasis it has to be made, that pains to such as would expand it should be strengthened. and so that they can be able to, to add up skin countries and the countries over the web that need. and you know, as of what i'm into but has got so much potential is on the american m a and with a pretty expand with that they have to buy something and buy or not. but it, with it's progressive agenda. they should be a deliberate, you know, i tend an intention to have to but to spend on it. so i came to the american in bible and still be able to, to start talking about bricks. i want to leave that as a parting shot and ask you, where do you see bricks in the next 10 years? and what kind of, you know, ideas would you say breaks needs to continue unifying and becoming this global

global south power breaks in an exciting or tentative platform which is going to grow. and in the last se, but it's 17, but i see a more members have joined them. and then we expect that there would be more advice because able bodied embraces the platform where they can express themselves a way can their the way it way the way they would feed a community tipton while come and then that's the way it breaks. east. we have a situation where a, our people are able to exchange ideas and plates together. and do this even talks about coming with an order, tentative kind of in c, a i came to the door law and all of that. so it's an exciting development which we fully support and then we hold with that. are looking at my daughter to the web being titled, please. and griggs, having land from this, ida and my tenants,

not bodies. what are their weaknesses? they don't to repeat this to me and that mistake they actually provide put kind of waking or attendant. okay, mr. melinda, as i said before, you are a busy man, and we do appreciate you taking the time to talk to us on our t. thank you. so much for being here, the, the, [000:00:00;00] the,

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