[000:00:00;00] the option or center you're welcome back to going underground pool. gusting around the world from the u a. tomorrow south africa, a nation that dismantled something of anglo american back to apologize. takes the helm of the g 20 the 1st african country to do so. but what does the g twins even signify in a world where us back escalations towards russia address closer to nuclear armageddon and apartheid? israel openly committed genocide in gaza. shielded by washington's complicity. if you crane is it, was may no longer exist. will israel exist as a whole in 50 as time after a u. k. u. s. a u um, genocide, that doesn't have to scar across the whole humanity is arouse existence is questioned in a new book, the killing of guns, a ripple. it's on a catastrophe. the was a long time calling this it is really newspaper har,

ets is gideon levy. he joins me again now from tel aviv gideon, thank so much for coming on one an amazing book is you be on any national curriculum so far. it is the definitive book of the genocide. i'll give me a before we get to do is read his existence. some tell me about what m is. you call him in your rates. columns is telling you about guys when he gets through to you on the phone in the past few days, perhaps this week, even thank you for having me 1st. the phone service pleasure to be here. a. m a is an old friend of mine who took me around in does a full g as in years. it was a really good, very, very than trying to. they are there. and they last seen the or the mental fix these that i was quite afraid to call him because i was afraid to hear that he was cute.

but you're in there. i tried to look for he may, i can find him after a year of a sudden i saw his name on my cell or he called me who just send this message is i call you mean me this the back. and then i realize that he survived easy access to after a stroke. no tennessee. he told me about these, they denied the last d. i didn't speak with him or was not so you know to about 40 the, something about anything as about the supervisor. know how to survive in this horrible, really just because of the day of the day, what do you, what do you drink? what sensors and toilet. i mean, the most basic questions i'll just cover the sensing those cold bags. so without the electricity, without anything, i'll do poke, i mean really sinks that show what the tests or pay days,

what the human catastrophe is taking place when we. busy stokes now here yeah, there's something of primo levy in your book give like you mentioned in, in your book the what, the word god. that means in hebrew, how they refer to gaza. just explain the yeah. garza and humorously saved us. uh, and as eyes the 1st part of the road as i say, which means hed. how and she is right. go to his left, plaza zoom in sure now is on the guns. i can go ahead and start to do so. a 19 full g 8 was transferring their thousands and tens of thousands of it to jeez, never go back. ever since $48.00 is when the game of the game is done and goes

a to and but this guy is really a disadvantaged because what is with the 2 guys uh, is on comparable to watch it in the side. and i guess the both of us is not off of us. i live season guys. i can imagine it says, what does it mean to be in the fulton bonds, fixed in bonds. so do mines in guys uh on the days a day on the days ready, but by and take i would say 130 to one place to the other, hosting from the only thing or no income, no safe place to spend the night watching all those atrocities seeing this stuff aisha, seeing the destruction. i mean, how can people survive these for me? it's a big, big question about your rights in the book of how more and more palestinian

teenagers in the occupied west bank are writing wheels these days in the wake of events in gaza. tell me about these wills that you write of you know, you know, place me in a freezer, he wrote very me immediately. yeah. one of them, one full time to die. as a know when a young guy is leaving home in the west bank loading us and he's on comparable one day goal. so in the day goes, but even in the spring, which is every why do life though it will, it seems like from the base when he leaves. so in the morning, he never knows when he gets back when he be arrested. will it be sure? where do you mean just whenever you relate to check boards everywhere. so the site where they come to your home and nights is dogs. they come to home and they died.

lice is sold hand or as from the west bank. any roads, many of the but part of them also from their resistance to ride the last 2 years, right? there's still money because they feel that their life is worse investing and it might, ends in any given moment. and of course uh you refer in the book, it sort of split into before october, 7th to of, to and you talk of the so called left just the phrase left. if you don't put an inverted comments. but it's a word that i think are given these abused all around the world these days. you say the 1st to lose their minds or as usual, the left just after the atrocities of october 7th, tell me about the so called left the distance of israel. so we must characterize the minimal, besides way those uh, that varies with these as those uh,

those will establish the state of his land in his stuff to show. so the patient establish the keyboard, seeing but also established the settlements. there are those who want to see go visit themselves. the labor is they consume obsess neighbors. they are hygiene, good. so the, the o. yeah. demonstrating every subject they, they are very defaulted. they're very proud about the more of the intention and more conscious less and by the end of the day, they turn the back. so they'll to patient to the above type. so they're just inducing this war. and those minds you are there was because he was a streaming to have you know, you have the right to biggest the race. he's to say this uh, the prices have no rights in this place. they will never have any rights of this

place. we are the actual people we serve every single day is ever investing, and we should either transfer them all kids do introduce or to see both these what you'll get then once you get this, we'll just see when it comes to the so called, remember a say me ever a job. i say that much nicer. they don't speak like the weekly steam. so remember a when day launching their own mirror. yeah, so set of content is, was there ball road profile? they are again so many things, and they even in favor of the listing is state one day. no, no, good. see, but one day one and one day, one day, they wouldn't even be ready to this. but meanwhile, by screening. so what about themselves by broke this thing against the right thing . they never across the board, the,

the never bruce that i asked basic questions. is there really a difference between you or the right thing is when it comes to the conventions of the system as to the outside world, you don't for fighting bill to patients or their product or the segment. and what is your share in establishing or those spend only knows as b, o x t, z. those question. so i don't race there. and that's i think the crew is really list. so news. yeah, $4.00 for fed turn this in the piece of the writing and read. this is the generative. so it's really quite a questionnaire, but which one is better? because both. so they said pointing so big, pressing so much leasing google for any whole. and of course, the strategy arguably is to personify the genocide with netanyahu. there's

a film called the b b files to have a design this film, arguably about the corruption and the trial of upcoming trial load out of, of net and yahoo. they already preparing the way for blaming the old genocide, everything on nothing. yahoo and his wife and perhaps a couple of cabinet ministers. not as railey society as a whole. is that what they're already prepared to do? no, not blaming you don't is really savvy. and of course, britain, the united states and the european union supplying the weapons too much before the war they live broadcasting. so it would be totally only one issue against that. then you only know that then you know as a redone, it just gets rid of the same or is when we turn into the beauty form, already, just legs that did used to be all those years before. and then, you know,

there's no bigger lines in this that then the out in tennessee 5 or kind of that home in us personally, is corrupted. personally, he does things that i just want to do. but when it comes to the main issues, to the main question, split core of the problem is fairly to the difference between them and that then you know, and by fighting against that, then yelling, who do invoicing only against team? it's a, it's a very uncomfortable for them because by days you know, you just blame of them, you know, with interest these 5 and you course so that you focus on a friday against and then we will finish. so what about you said? because the problem is with danielle, nothing but the team just let us get trained a few minutes. every single you be silvia,

and that's about the light it's we are lying color says so tending color sense in the end, if i really am in a hurry board the way because they should know that the problems did not start within the hour and really not the end of the day, and we replace any short pay replace no doubt about but to go to every single hand is really a call from zillow. and before he goes to jail, is his only option now uh and is enabled, is blinking the sullivan bide now is the only option before january for him to go to war with a ron re godless, of losing against a lebanese resistance. this week they have to go to war with they run even though it run, tried to connect to what was happening with the evidence situation. is that going to be a will before january? is a good chance to know him to the about to but i'm not sure it's possible. i'm

sure it's okay though. it might end up being a cut the surface away. but nobody knows if this is going to have been for years. we've had told the diesel read cannot bleeds by and said he needs the assistance of the united states. and the question is, if they write it states when go forth and they don't have an answer for this. gideon, that'd be, i'll stop you that more from the higher ed. it's called them this to know through the killing of guys are reports on the catastrophe after this break the the

the the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the high red se calling this in order to kinda give guys a reports on a catastrophe. gideon let me give you and you were talking about what the united states response would be, perhaps, to any uh, nothing. yeah, a war on iran enabled by the u. u. k. in us. uh, do you think uh, it's possible that um all to 1000000 if they're not killed by the 20th january, trump has promised to lift a whole military supply restrictions that the trump is going to go for. it's even harder. he's been criticizing netanyahu, or he's being criticizing all that goes terrace and genocide. joe for not supplying enough leaves

a little weaponry to wipe out the palestinians. while the new search often they are the result, these are pointed with so on. so much hopes ran back obama came to power. we're going to show that g really, really change their bodies hills the united says so these right and human wisdom not only did the didn't happen, she just dr than chip or the a to is when the program is dangerous. well, i have a problem was they were just totally uncle. issue. i mean is like, is look for knowing what it's 5. so feel that that states is not for one request of the united states and stay in gibbs ever seeing cause lower limits or balls. and this brings me to many question box, and therefore i don't see the drum really changing the distribution of supporting

use one more than any other country in the world was a big question mark is really use the most negative place in the one on the south so much money from that. thanks. american. thanks pam. but that's the american business of my business. my business is that he's a school. there's been a drawer. influence is right to and just lead finds its own tribes since and mistakes. and the united states is not doing kids and i have no answer. why. i mean, the american speaker most certainly thinks that they are somebody is way none of them is implemented instead of just continue the president of the president of the station of the station to sup paul, do that is right. like no other country without any conditions. i

agree and the magic and of course, the american excuses. oh, it's the terrorism. you say in the book, the way of terra is the only way open to the palestinians to fight for the future. only when the bullets fly, the knife striking the rockets boom, do people remember that there isn't other people here with the terrible problem that must be resolved. i do expect the even the, even though with regard to the, the single axes of resistance, the tara will continue. a new generation has been born this year of those who will try to destroy israel in the upcoming months and years. as i understand it's the same, the role of the young people does a really thing that we never forget. can they fold it? is that any human being who can forget what is live down to them? think about they,

they should that who are voting for these weird issue that who are left or to know that no one trauma dies. many times also have the kit to the in the order of nations. well, this thing that we can use them forever when they turn to their own children. and now is, can be of to such a whole receipt or so is waiting to use a, complaining about the 0. and the word is listening care for today's complain. i don't know this initial sterile, but if, if i know why it is killing civilians and civilians, damaging civilians is a much bigger force which can so many civilians in this war. and before so an additional territories and told the open question,

who is the terrorized and what is the people to be really dry? and there was a scene in charge it was was ever they tried most labors as to when they applied to the security council. it's called the drum of these 2 when they flies and the initial cold of just these, these labels as being up to when they apply to a boy to this rare is called economy codes here. so what is conveys, oh, i mean, except 2 is throwing twice on the israeli soldiers and, and then they hosting the host with coffee and buffalo. what. what else can i do in order to get brands for the steps for, for your patient, which is so improved to we just pulled by the word extra slow things. no. generally, don't think what the nation's english is. fine. doesn't show any size of

intention to put an end to this page. what else can they do? accept of really exploding, exploding mentally and exploding physics. it's harder to say, but i don't see any other houses for them. it's a lot of go. as nelson mandela said, the emphasize the use of atrocities, even against the south african communist party at the time. how has the effective october, 7th, being to destroy israel from the inside? not on the can all make believe is obviously the mazda immigration out of israel. the jewish people have left the country, but is it destroying itself also in comes of free speech. i understand your newspaper high rates has been sanctioned just in the past few days. yeah, i surprised surprise. people saw that we would be able to remain this liberal democracy for jules,

while we are doing all those at joseph is in the west bank and gaza and also to the stance but, but his dance always ready citizens or of the believe under certain kinds of about the end result, this framework in this context isn't really remained a member of the so came the last few years, even before the war. when this government came into power, the last one, which is the most racist broadway. but if i head and believe me, they, they supposed to use it to be the most rest is government here because a stop this claim for this fame and rightly so. but in any case, this one has no doubt is the most racist government he had. and now this government is not only a new ink and tom rates, or is it but a scene? yes,

they want to change them or something good. very clear. so initially gave them a listen to them carefully. we can see what happened in our garry and breast, we imagine, you know, in a many other countries i would be styled and where did it leave? and we are exhibiting the same process and those new bodies, right? so probably about the democracy. these feline the john good as they likes to go the way they surprised larry sort of and that will make up to a defense reality. so yes, i is a privilege. june. is waiting there. sure thing so or does that mistake so cold, i still gain total for the whole stage, but i know very well there's a contact for wanted and i know very well that if this we continue enjoying the service or an over well,

jen was jewish or not in the european union or britain obviously would be accused of at the semitism if the and they wrote even some of the headlines in how i read over the past few months like our israelis watching on social media. what is happening in gaza? are they not watching what the rest of the world is watching and they're not able to, as they can well, she thinks they one's not in use of the media because he's a new guy recruited. and since i'm failing to as boy adults impatient right now to avoid the scene. so guys, you know, the, to use the us and read this and not above it. but if you are very interested, you can obviously easily photo what's going on and goes up like i do like anyone can do the program nice that it's not like to meet you guys doing something which eh, but this, it points, it's quite a few of us know this,

explain the older ones. they don't want to know. first, they didn't want it, you know, full dictates about doing a 2 page and they don't want to know about to continue this very moment. and now they don't want to know and just think about the, the examples guys are the punishment, the best, the best kidding can go. so they don't want to know about the dancing because they don't think it might be, might makes you uncomfortable. and who wants to be concerned about sleep? i don't know, he doesn't exist. and then also is much easier to text the old one to blame the some and to so the whole thing will say the semi did you know? no one's going going goes up. oh, can you blame those for social ones? what's going on in? got the nobody said nothing about the real good guys. so you've created and

bought the image is ready to go, cuz them says, oh that it is collected from way n t living, you know, told them denied in claiming that that was your age in the book about roger watch is a friend of the show, the founder of pink floyd weeping of gaza. that you say that a great man of conscience didn't surprise you that in the european union in the united states and britain there are so few artists that daring to even speak about genocide in your region. our region, no surprise because they know how strong is the pro, is raining machinery, the process these low bees, the joy shelby's and the game feeling. so, and this what is valuable to taking those, just if i get feelings. and unfortunately, people are like roger, my dear friend,

why really is maya door was a man. and i'm so great for me to get to know him phone very close for a few years. uh, quite a few years now. but he is really out, started thinking, and then a great exception. i knew how well they don't tell you the prize is to pay for it. i will do a trade even though i must tell you that these laws towards the world was as much as i know that i am very successful. so you can stand for your friend, suppose for your morality and still be accepted by very big service in the bishop this well told in college, you don't dare to say what the order is saying. well, the rest of the world is against you. arguably, that's it, that's the point, the rise of bricks and so on. so i suppose finally i go to ask you and it's a question you posing the book will, is rail, exist in the matter of 50 is as you say is in,

in the book. does it look likely that israel, the whole is ready, project is coming to an end of those to nobody to possible depend warehouse to 0 to any other country in the us? and i sing the source on the private about the about the is the question is know which is linux is the question is what kind of is what really? and the only 2 possibilities, either we'd be and above date states, as it's low, always we'd be a demo or see, it might turn into a price. they found them in the police, the religious nation, at least. and obviously have been kept by an official about that is the is the word religion go on. busy the 1st time of fits these 3 into a real democracy,

in which in quarantine when the israelis for that they slowed them over soon without equality and a quarter to use. the biggest contradiction between use one ends. this group for the going to use what is ever seen except of a quote for all the people who buy the they so as you get in larry, thank you. thanks so much for holding me. so it was a pleasure. that's it for the show. gideon's new book, beginning of guys, reports on the catastrophe, is that now i continued condolences to those surviving the u. k. u s. u, i'm genocide here in this region will be back on monday when it's when he's ready for a socialist us presidential candidate who oppose the genocide but failed to be true to the white house until then keep in touch with the social media. if it's on sense, a new country and head to a general going under warranty, the hon, they'll come to watch new and old episodes of going undergrad. so you monday,

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