[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the i'm action or times here. welcome back to going underground pool. gusting around the world from the u a. tomorrow south africa and nation, the dismantled something of anglo american back to apologize. takes the helm of the g 20, the 1st african country to do so. but what does the g twins even signify in a world way? us back escalations towards russia address closer to nuclear armageddon in apartheid. israel openly commits genocide in gaza. shielded by washington's complicity. if you crane is it, was may no longer exist. will israel exist as

a rule in 50 as time after a u. k. u. s. a u um genocide, that doesn't have to scar across the whole humanity is rouse, existence is questioned in a new book, the killing of gaza reports on the catastrophe. the was a long time call them missed, it is really newspaper har, ets is gideon levy, he joins me again now from tel aviv gideon, thank so much for coming on one an amazing book is you be on any national curriculum so far. it is the definitive book of the genocide i'll get play before we get to to is rounds existence some. tell me about what m is. you call him and you, i read columns is telling you about guys that when he gets through to you on the phone in the past few days, perhaps this week, even thank you for having been pros, the phone and service president will be here a. m a is an old friend of mine who took me around in does

a full g as in years. it was a really good, very, very than trying to. they are there. and they last seen the or the mental fix these that i was quite afraid to call him because i was afraid to hear that he was cute. but here and there, i tried to look for he may, i can find him after a year or of a sudden i saw his name on my cell or he couldn't corner me, could just send this message is i call you mean me this thing back and then i realize that he survived easy access to after a stroke. no tennessee. you told me about these days. you guys did the last the i didn't speak with him or was not so you know, to about 40 weeks. got there about anything as about the supervisor, but now i will do surviving this horrible, really just because of the day of the day. what do you, what do you drink? what sends you as a toilet?

i mean, the most basic question i'll do cover the sensing those own bags though without the x rays today, without anything. i'll do poke, i mean really things that show what the tests or pay days, what the human catastrophe is taking place wouldn't be. busy stokes now here yeah, there's something of primo levy in your book give like you mentioned in, in your book the what, the word god. that means in hebrew, how they refer to gaza. does explain the or yeah, garza and he would say us uh and as i is the 1st part of the road as i say, which means hed. how. and she is right. go to his left plaza,

ziff and sure enough is going to go. so i can go ahead and start to do so a 19 full g 8 was transferring their thousands and tens of thousands of 15 cheese. never go back. ever since 48 is when they gave me the game is turning does a to and but this time it is really a disadvantage because what it is with the 2 guys uh, is on comparable to watch it in the side. and i guess the both of us is not off of us unless he's in gaza. can you imagine him said well, does it mean to be in the fulton bonds 15 months? so do minds in guess uh, on the days of a date on the days ready by, by and take, i would say 130. so one place to the other having from the only center, no income, no safe place to spend the night watching all those atrocities,

seeing the style of ation, seeing the destruction. i mean, how can it be for so by these, for me it's a big, big question about your rights in the book of how more little a palestinian teenagers in the occupied west bank are writing wills these days in the wake of events in gaza. tell me about these wills that you write of you know, you know, place me in the freezer, he wrote very me immediately. yeah. one of them one full time to die or a new way or when a young guy is leaving home in the west bank, noting us and he's on comparable one day also. and one day goes. but even in the spring, which is every why do to live so it will seem like from the base when he leaves. so in the morning, he never knows when he gets back. will it be arrested?

will it be sure, will you be injects whenever you relate to? check boards everywhere. so just where they come to your home at night is dogs. they come to home and they died. lice is sold hand always from the west bank. any roads many young b, but part of them also from their resistance to ride the last piece, right? there's still money because they feel that their life is worse investing and it's might end in any given moment. and of course uh you refer in the book, it sort of split into before october, 7th to of, to and you talk of the so called left just the phrase left us, you know, button inputs and comments. but it's a word that i think are given is abused all around the world these days. you say the 1st to lose their minds or as usual, the left just after the atrocities of october 7th,

tell me about the so called lift the distance of israel. so we must characterize the minimal, besides way those uh that that would be that these as those uh, those will establish the stage. okay. so and the stop the show. so the probation establish, they keep on saying, but also established the settlements. they are those one to see congress themselves, the liberals they consume upstairs, neighbors. they are fighting against the, the oh yeah. demonstrating every subject they, they are very the voltage. they are very proud about the more of the intention and more consciousness and by the end of the day they. busy the big so the patient to the above type. so there just isn't this war and don't see my view

of it was because it broke or say is streaming. to have, you know, you have the right thing is the race. he's to say this or the police things have no rights in this place. they will never have any rights of this place. we are the chosen people. we serve every single day, is the last thing. and we should either transfer them all kids do. it's really sort of see both these ones are better than what you're getting. so we'll just see when it comes to the so called the number of a say me ever to buy is a that much nicer. they don't speak like they weekly steam. so remember, or when day launching their own mirror? yeah, so set of content is, was there mo, profile they are again, so many things and they even in favor of the listing and state one day. no, no,

because the but one day one and one day one day they wouldn't even be ready for this . but meanwhile, by just feeling so good about themselves by both testing against the right thing. they never across the board the, the never bruce that i asked basic questions. is there really a difference between you are the right thing is when it comes to the conventions of the said to him as to the outside world, you don't for fighting build your patients or their products or the segment. and what is your share in establishing or those spend on the nose posting no x t, z. those question. so don't raise their and as i think the crew is really list, so news. yeah, $4.00 for fed turn. this in the piece of the writing is and read, this is the teams. so it's really quite a questionnaire,

but which one is better because both. so these are pointing, so make pressing so much so pleasing google for any whole. and of course, the strategy arguably is to personify the genitive side with netanyahu. there's a film called the b b files to have a design this film, arguably about the corruption and the trial of a upcoming trial load out of, of net and yahoo. they already preparing the way for blaming the old genocide, everything on nothing. yahoo and his wife and perhaps a couple of cabinet ministers. not as railey society as a whole. is that what they're already prepared to do? no, not blaming you don't is really savvy. and of course, britain, the united states and the european union supplying the weapons much before the war they will have protesting. so it'd be totally only one issue

against that. then you only know that the go as a, if we don't just get rid of the same on is when we turn into the beauty for moral, just legs that the, just to be all those use before that then you know there's no bigger lines and there's nothing the out in tennessee 5 or kind of in the home in us personally, is corrupted. personally, he does things that i just want to do, but when it comes to the main issues, the main question, split the core of the problem is very little difference between them. and then you know, and by fighting against that, then yelling, pushing and pushing only against the it's, it creates a very uncomfortable something for that because bang days, you know,

you just blame a thing, you know, and the rest is fine. and you course of that, you focus on a fight against and then you film. so what about you says, because the problem is the thing you know nothing but the team just let us get trained a few minutes every single you'd be so new. and that so that the light that yeah, like i would say are so 10 in color sense in the end, if i really am in a very big way because they should know that the problems did not stop in the island. really not the end of the day, we didn't replace any show. they replaced, no doubt about it. but to go to every single hand is really a call from zillow. and before he goes to jail, is his only option now, and his enable is blinking the sullivan bite. and there's the only option before january for him to go to war with a ron, re, god, this, of losing against the lebanese resistance this week. and they have to go to what would they run, even though it run,

tried to connect to what was happening with the lebanon situation. is that going to be a will before january? is a good chance to know him to the about dates. but i'm not sure it's possible. i'm sure it's okay though. it might end up being a cut the surface away. but nobody knows if this is going to have been for years. we were told that these read cannot bleeds by and said it needs the assistance of the united states. and the question is, if they write it states when go forth and they don't have an answer for this, get in, that'd be else copy of that rule from the high rights columnist and author of the killing of guys are reports on the catastrophe after this break

the, [000:00:00;00] the the, there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also absurd. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing press for so the funder line likes to say we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals. what are you living on? not very close propaganda. you know, price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions,

you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask, the better the answer is, will be the will go back to going underground. i'm still here with the higher ed se calling this in order to kinda give you guys a reports on the catastrophe. gideon, let me a gideon you were talking about what the united states response would be, perhaps, to any uh, nothing. yeah, a war on iran enabled by the u. u. k. in us. uh, do you think uh, it's possible that um, well, 2000000 if they're not killed by the 20th january, trump is promised to leave to all military supply restrictions that the trump is going to go for. it's even harder. he's been criticizing netanyahu, or he's being criticizing all that goes terrace and genocide. joe for not supplying enough leaves a little weaponry to wipe out the palestinians while entering the search. often

they are the result. these are pointed with so on, so much hopes when back obama came to power, we will assure the g we really change the bodies hills. the united says so these right and human wisdom, not only did the didn't happen, he just doesn't ship or the a to is when they don't have the programs dangerous. well, i have a problem was they were just totally uncle dish, as i mean is i is look for knowing what advice. so united states is look for on one request of the united states and stay in gibs ever seeing was no limits or balls. and this brings me to my, the question box and the full, i don't see the drum really changing the distribution of supporting use, learn more than any other country in the world. was a big question. my is really use the most the,

the place and the one of the stuff so much money from that. thanks. american. thank spam, but that's the american business of my business. my business is that this is cool. there's been a drawer in for us is read to and just read, finds its own tribes since and mistakes and united states is not doing kids and i have no answer. why? i mean, the american speak about. so the 6 that they ask somebody is way none of them is implemented and staying them. i just continue president of the president of the station of the station to sup paul do that is right, like no other. busy country without any conditions. i agree and the magic. and of

course, the american excuses. oh, it's the terrorism. you say in the book, the way of terra is the only way open to the palestinians to fight for the future. only when the bullets fly, the knife striking the rock, it's boom to people, remember that there isn't other people here with the terrible problem that must be resolved. i do expect even the, even though with regard to this, it will act as a resistance. the tara will continue a new generation is being born this year of those who will try to destroy israel in the upcoming months and years. oh, and it's going to be think of all of the young people does a really thing that we never forget. can they fold it? is that any human being ok for goods? what is live done to them? think about they, they should that who are born into these weird. it shows that who are less or to

know that no one trauma dies. many times also have the kit to the in the order of nations. well, this thing that we can use them for her when they tear to their own children. and now is, can it's billed to such a whole receipt or so is waiting to use a complaining about a 0. and the word of is listening care for these complain i don't know the finish of their own. but if he's probably know why it is killing civilians and civilians, damaging civilians is a much bigger a fall switch can. so may civilians in this low and before so only additional territories and told the open question, who is the terrorize and what is the people to really drive?

there was a scene in charge, it was whatever they tried most labeled as to when they applied to the security council. it's called the problem of these 2 when they flies and the initial cold of just these, these labels as being up to when they apply to a boy to these rare is called economy codes here. so what is, can they do? i mean, except 2 is throwing twice on the israeli soldiers and, and then the hosting, the host is called fee and the cloud world is, can do in order to get things on the steps for, for you page which is so the tool to we just pulled by the word extra smoking, no, generally i don't think so. the actions and which is the signs doesn't show any size of intention to put an end to this page. what is,

can they do accept of really exploding, exploding mentally and exploding physics. it's all the same, but i don't see any other houses for them. it's what, of course, nelson mandela said to emphasize the use of atrocities even against the south african communist buddy at the time, out as the effective, october 7th, being to destroy israel from the inside. not only you can only believe is obviously the mazda immigration out of israel. jewish people have left the country. but is it destroying itself also, in terms of free speech, i understand your newspaper. hi, ritz has been sanctioned. just in the past few days. a. yeah, a surprise, surprise, people so that we may be able to remain this labor of democracy for jules,

while we are doing all those at joseph is in the west bank and gaza and also to the stand still that but it's been so is very citizens or the believe are the certain kinds of about the end result. this framework in this context isn't really remained a member of the moment. so came the last few years, even before the war. when this government came into power, the last one which is the most racist broadway, but if i had and believe me the dates of use it will be the most rest is government here because a to stop this claim for the same and rightly so. but in any case, this one has no doubts is the most racist government we had. and now this government is not only a new ink and tom rates, or is it but a scene? yes,

they want to change them or something good. then the class so initially gave them a listen to them carefully. we can see what happened in our garry ambrose, we imagine, you know, in a many other countries, i would do the style. good. where did it leave? and we are exec seeing the same process and those new bodies, right. so probably about the democracy, this feline the john, good as they likes to go to we, they surprise very sort of and that we may come to a defense reality. so yes, i isn't privilege, june is waiting there. sure thing. so for them is they so bored, i still gain total for the whole stage, but i know very where they contacted for wanted and i know very well that if this we continue enjoying the service or an over well,

jen was jewish or not in the european union or britain obviously would be accused of at the semitism if the and they wrote even some of the headlines in how i read over the past few months. like our is riley's watching on social media. what is happening in gaza? are they not watching what the rest of the world is watching or they're not able to they can watch shades if they want. nothing is really media because these are recruited in sense for them. they're ready to, as for the patient right now to avoid the scenes of guys a or you know, this is the us and read this in the above of it. but if you are very interested, you can oversee easily photo what's going on and goes up like i do like anyone can do the program nice that it's not like the me guys doing something which isn't points. it's quite

a few of us know that's exactly what they want. they don't want to know. first, they didn't want to know for decades about the 2 page and they don't want to know about to contain this very moment. and now they don't want to know anything about the, the physical scouts of the punishment, the best of the misgivings and gossip. they don't want to know about the dentist thing because you don't think it's a might be, might makes you uncomfortable. and who wants to be concerned about sleep? i don't know, he doesn't exist. and then also is much easier to text the or one to blame the dissimilar to. so how to say the semi did you know know what's going on and goes up. oh, can you blame those for social phones? what's going on in got the your body said never by the guess. so you create the doctor, images ready to go 1st them says all the school next up,

some way n t living in a told him denied in claiming that that was your idea in the book about roger was as a friend of the show, the founder of pink floyd, weeping of gaza. that you say a great man of conscience to the surprise you that in the european union in the united states and britain there are so few artists that daring to even speak about genocide in your region. how region i am not surprised because i know how strong is the pro israeli machinery in process these ladies. their jo shelby's and the games feeling single and these are these valuable . they're taking those just if i get feelings. and unfortunately, people are like roger, my dear friend,

why really in my door with a man. and i've so great for me to get to know him from very close for a few years. uh, quite a few years now. but he is really out, started thinking, and then a great exception. i knew how well the prize is to basically all the drain, even though i must tell you that these last tours the world was as much as i know there was very successful. so you can stand for your principles for your morality and still be accepted by very big surfacing the bishop this well told in college. don't dare to say well 200 saying well the rest of the world is against you. arguably that's, that's the point. the rise of bricks and so on. so i suppose finally i go to ask you and it's a question you posed in the book. we'll israel exist in the matter of 50 is as you say, is in, in the book. does it look like for you that israel, the whole is ready,

project is coming to an end. but most of going to nobody to possible depends. i ask 0 to any other country in the us, and i sing the source on the about the is the question is know which is linux is the question is what kind of is really? and the only 2 possibilities are they, we'd be and above date states is it's low. always we'd be a democracy. it might turn into a price, they found them and police the religious nation, at least. and obviously have been kept by and fisher about that is the, is the word religion go on to the 1st time of fits these 3 into a real democracy in which in quarantine when,

when the israelis for that this little demo resume without equality and a quarter to use the biggest contradiction between is well and that this group for because he is what he's ever saying except of a quote for all the people who even though they so as you get in, let me thank you. i think so. how, sorry. i think they saw arisen pleasure. that's it for the show. gideon's new book, beginning of guys, reports on a catastrophe, is that now i continued condolences to those surviving the u. k. u s. u, i'm genocide here in this region will be back on monday when the twenty's ready for the socialist us presidential candidate who oppose the genocide but failed to be true to the white house until then keep in touch with the social media. if it's on

sense, a new country and head to a general going under warranty, the hon, they'll come to watch new and old episodes of going undergrad. so you monday, the the biggest break and use the dollar head live or not you international. the syrian army announces a re deployment of its troops from i left, but what made me look at the tax. the official statement says, carriers have not managed to take full control of the that'd be seen today by 3 people that crushed to death and a stomach fee that a local bakery in gaza. i thought that was already is one of the catch us to rough