with sides that they united states of america being the head jim on as it was for a long time pose tool would one to stick to uh, strategic offsets on the i g o for they do come up with this and by being militarily present in different box of the was i've always taken the view which is subject to debate that has not been a traditional colonized in that sense. and having been one of the gym on that day, my after the 2nd was well, the appetite of the united states of america to be the least amount of the world is one that we must never wish o x. it is indeed god is that we know that in the united states of america is different in these present in different parts of the world on africa is no except,

but she has land from history. so that high involvement with africa is not caught in her eyes as being a domain and, but is kind of her eyes as we're solely beneficial relationship. but is that this is the question that we must suppose is that relationship of you close? is this the relationship that isn't what's really beneficial? i remember it's not so long ago when the former president of tons and yeah, was describing relationship between the united states of america and africa. and they said, if you have enough books thing much heavy way on the lightweight in this them ring, is it a bottle of vehicles? is it still a game or it is a my that by another name?

he also posed the question, when are i the, is that i do not owe us? is it a relationship of you close? all is that right? uh, is the one who domain name the host. i want to submit that, i'll flip come and the relationship between the united states of america and many countries in africa who operate on the african is that relationship, which is between the hoss underwriter, the right, being the united states of america, the hoss being the many off with the country and let us in thought ok, what of the complaints it is doing? number one, it mix the claim that there is a relationship which is a prime moderately military. and the military relationship requires, among other things that our various military is in africa,

trained occasionally with the in the countries on some offices then find them well as themselves in different training force in the united states of america. so training is a major component of it. the other argument is security, that there are many inside ends in african countries, on many oswick on countries. i'm capable of controlling the boundaries on the apologize on the countries and they do not have the minutes. the capacity to engage with these inside jim's or to control on the inside of the boundaries. this is both in donal, on, in the market time region, whether you are talking about money time boundaries in the atlantic ocean or the india noise. and therefore the present in thought to be good. they also met the play that is a kind of exchange of dealing with this. and therefore you would need this kind of

interaction. and of course the sod was the 4th one, which we don't talk about as we ought to, is the g or strategic position that africa finds the self on the military conflicts in the united states of america. if you look stuck to sticks now, and you look at this stuff, districts in the sense that we are talking about the same obama don't do you said last african countries with the 54 on the 4th. this is a major market for the items that has been described in the united states of america, and very few african countries ever buying new aircraft or new tongues. this is also a dumping ground. it is also a dumping ground for ministry equipment. so the presence of africans is something that we never quite debate in the 5 different domains menu. also going to come through and say this is

a no go area. because this concerns our security. and we are not to debate that even our national funding them and not debate the question on the issues relating to africa. because this is considered to be top secret. that is the domain of the executive and the domain of the military. and therefore, very few of us know what these particular country, but the united states of america, fluid school mind, which as we know is headquartered in germany does. and that is through not only of can you know whichever countries involved in it, but it's true of countries that find themselves under the command which then bends the question. if we are talking about security on the inside, just the, on the control and of the same time, we are talking about independence. what kind of independence do we enjoy when you a military and when you uh, activities, particularly of a security nature,

i've been guides in from outside number 2? does it give us the freedom to enter into collaboration with other countries with whom we may want to be friends? can we have, for example, without being questioned by the united states of america and thought into relationship with time. with russia, with india, with brazil will with any other country. the answer is no. you may want to but there is always be the browser with a gun on you ahead telling you you do these. i do own better. so when we examine after the comb without going into the details of it, it must be understood in the context of why the hedge on which is still interested in ensuring that africa remains and delays that off the record remains

a young nebraska. although there must be of a side african remains a young nebraska who must be guided africa remains a young browser, which is a musket of the card remains a young abrazzo that must be guided in political areas. africa remains of continental that is within the sphere of influence, which brings me into a subject that requires i left the discussion on in federal dish offers on countries may met the claim that they enjoy independence african countries and africa may make the claim that they indeed the a judge on we have no shortage of money that we give to our military. african countries may want to think like that. but we must never forget that g a strategically, in the interest of the united states of america, it is important that they remain in general control. and if you go to

many of our african countries, you go to your warranty. for example, look at some of the major military facilities that are out there. you go to the west on cape. i do see some of this, the going vessels. are you go to the indian ocean on the canyon farther? and we still know that you have told us the remains are major outposts for the united states of america, which is controlled lively from germany under the aspect of them. you then know that this idea arrows fee, as of control, is still something that is very important to a countries such as the united states of america. of course egypt involvement in africa, them is one that is only is debatable. sometimes we say the i in but many times they are not in because the relationship is differently defined. but in the not shall we say that we as the continent of africa,

i still been in many ways controlled by a major fire and firewall. and it is not going to be easy in the short to medium done to liberate ourselves from the clutches. because the reality is that our military is in the prison constitution. and in the present was view, are still being controlled from that particular arena. which in itself is something that is very critical to it. simon begin thumbs all wrong. tom security. because if you belong as off, because the african countries that the, and the control or the watch, or if you want the collaboration with the united states of america on the african. i use states in the event of war. when you are part of an arrangement over which you have no control, i use safe, i us target for those because you collaborate that i use safe from

the i intelligence i use say from this quote to me, the answer is no. and that is why the, those who are now saying that the time is now the cost of the umbilical cord between african countries that are part of the food come on to reconstitute africa into on of the can command, which is controlled by african on the if there is any collaboration at all that collaboration must be between the continent of africa as uniquely constituted. and if it can be done with the united states of america, with the russia, with china on any other country, without, as a country is being told that you cannot collaborate with us with us. because this is a seattle, when i look forward to that day, and i look forward to this, the nation of the relationship between the african countries in the corporate status on the united states of america. even really defining our rating. remember

that the under, i'll become one of the major components is training on many honest with on countries. find the med cindy office has been trained in the united states of america on, via for them. the military cultures, of many of the countries is influencing, visited good if they are trained and commanded from the standpoint of, of the call and even when it is physically located in germany. but of course, the manuals on the mode was operating the is a fundamentally open america nature. and we say these none of the costs africa does not want friends. africa wants to friends, but africa design as friends who are collaborating from us on point of equality, not from us on point of donation. because if you are a domain, nathan, even if you are told you a free, you are freedom,

is on the mind in very different ways. if you are not in control of us security, then you a security can be compromised. if you share us security intelligence with people who are not beholden to you, you are not safe because that intelligence can be manipulated to you at detriment if you are controlled in the name of collaboration through a system who details you do not on the fund. it means that you are susceptible to being destroyed and therefore of a penny. and that is something that the continental vast with the, those who uh, and the delays of america through us become, must begin 3 and thought, okay. and it is not lost on me that vices are beginning to rise, which voices, i say, the time is now for us to enjoy freedom so that we can negotiate our

collaboration. so that week under this thing going goodman, so that we can have an engagement of equals not on engagement. that is defined by in the quality on sometimes content we must move in that direction. thank you very much. there as have a break. we have, i just been of the conversation. see you again, you know, show to watch the, the the, the,

[000:00:00;00] the the, we are the foothills of located. yeah. just south side of the great city of nairobi in kenya. and today we want to wrap our minds around the struggle

against quarter. nice ation. his guardian is sometimes only take time to look at the struggle for independence from the 1900 on forty's. but we must remind ourselves that the struggle against the quarter nice visions thought as ali uh, the 15th century, when the portuguese thought to visiting the different coastal parts of africa, syria quotes is that when they were initially welcome, they pretended that they were craters and with the portuguese, on late though, we know that the english flooded the friends that died. and of course we know the tidings why here that was always some kind of resistance. and the beauty of this rebellion is that what they were designed to preserve the dignity of those communities in the west. some part of africa where we remember the great epic