for her, the life of this family, here's the point of the necessary conditions for its existence. the children live in ruins. but even in such harsh circumstances, they can still have melodies no matter when they take them away from the bitter reality. even if it's just for a moment, what is the fema? i mean, everything that can be said about pain and tragedy about the harshness of life and the desire for resistance and resilience does not reflect the reality of those pop issued by jeff and surrounded by ruins. in gas, so i for now that's a rough from las go, this is the

option or times here. welcome back to going underground. will gusting around the world from the u a. tomorrow south africa and nation, the dismantled something of anglo american back to apartheid. takes the helm of the g 20 the 1st african country to do so. but what does the g 20 even signify in a world where us backed escalations towards russia address closer to nuclear armageddon and apartheid israel openly committed genocide in gaza, shielded by washington's complicity. ukraine is it was may no longer exist. will israel exist as a rule in 50 as time after a u. k. u s. a u um, genocide that doesn't have to scar across the whole humanity is arouse existence is questioned. in a new book, the killing of gaza reports on a catastrophe. the was a long time columnist. it is rightly newspaper har, ets is gideon levy, he joins me again now from tel aviv, a gideon, thank so much for coming on one an amazing book,

and you'll be on any national curriculum so far. it is the definitive book of the genocide. i'll gladly before we get to to is raz existence. i'm telling me about what m is you call him in your rates. columns is telling you about gaza when he gets through to you on the phone in the past few days, perhaps this week, even thank you for having been pros the phone and sorta is pleasure to be here. m a is an old friend of mine who took me around in god's a full years and years. it was really good, very, very than trying to. they are there. and they last seen the or the mental fix these that i was quite afraid to call him because i was afraid to hear that he was cute. but you're there. i tried to look for he made on finding it after a year. all of a sudden i saw his name on my cell or he called me

who just send this message is i call you mean me this thing back and then i realize that he survived easy access to after a stroke. no tennessee. he told me about these daily lives in the last year. i didn't speak with him or was not saying no to about 40 weeks ago. there. busy anything else about the supervisor? but now how do survive in this horrible, really just does the day of the day. what do you, what do you drink? what service your the toilet? i mean, the most basic question i'll just cover the syncing goes on. but though without the electricity without anything, i'll do poke, i mean really things that to show what the contests are paid these, what the human catastrophe is taking place when we go. busy to come out here.

yeah, there's something of primo levy in your book give, like you mentioned in, in your book the what, the wood gods. that means in the hebrew how they refer to gaza. does explain the yeah. godsa and human. we say us, uh, and as i is the 1st part of the road as i say, which means hated how and she is right. go to have left allows us a and sure enough is a to guess i can go ahead and start to do so a 19 full g h was transferring their thousands intensive. so some 15 cheese never go back and never since 48 is when they gave me the game is tony does a to and but this time it is really a disadvantage because what is with the 2 guys uh, is ongoing,

bearable to watch it in the side, and i guess the both of us is not off of us unless he's in gaza. can you imagine him said well, does it mean to be in the sporting bon 60 months? so do minds in guess uh, on the days a day and the days ready by, by and take, i would say 130 to one place to the heading from the only center. no income, no safe place to spend the night watching all those atrocities, seeing the style of ation. seeing the destruction. i mean, how could it be through? so by these 4 mean it's a big, big question about you rides in the book of how more and more policy the and teenagers in the occupied west bank are writing wills these days in the wake of events in gaza. tell me about these wills that you right of you know,

you know, place me in the freezer, he wrote very me immediately. yeah, one of them hold on for trying to died. a do it when a young the guy is leaving home in the west bank, noting us and he's on comparable one day also and one day goes. but even there was thing which is every why do life. so it will seem like from the page when he leaves, so in the morning, he never knows when he gets back. would it be a risk that we'd be sure we'd be injects? we'd be, you relate to check boards everywhere. so just everywhere they come to your home at night is dogs, they come to home and they died. lice is sold hand or so in the west bank. any roads many a deeper a part of the model. so for their resistance to ride the last piece,

right, there's still money because they see that their life is west and i think it might end in any given moment. and of course, if you refer in the book, it sort of split into before october 7th of to and you talk of the so called left, just the phrase left. if you don't put an inverted commas, but it's a word that i think are given is abused all around the world. these days. you say the 1st to lose their minds or as usual, the left just after the atrocities of october 7th. tell me about the so called left the distance of israel. so we must characterize the minimal, besides way those uh that that would be this. these as those are, those will establish the state of his land, establish, oh, so there probation established, they keep on saying, but also established the settlements. they are those who want to see go visit

themselves the labor as they consume, i'd say neighbors, they are fighting against the, the o. yeah. demonstrating every subject they, they are very voltage. they are very proud about the more and the intention and more consciousness. and by the end of the day they. busy the big so the patient to their bob type to dental since using this war and dosing minds you are there was because he broke the st. you streaming to have, you know, you have the rights vegas, the race. he's to say, this are the bodies things have no rights in this place. they will never have any rights of displays. we are the chosen people. we serve every single day is the best thing. and we should either transfer them all kids do is really sort,

you'll see both these ones are better than what you're getting is what you see when it comes to the so called liberal a say me ever to base any that much nicer. they don't speak like they really seem sober when day launching their own mirror. they are so serious contenders was their moral profile. they are against so many things and they even in favor of the listing in stage one day. no, no, just the but one day one and one day, one day they wouldn't even be ready for this. but meanwhile, by just feeling so good about themselves by protesting against the right thing, they never across the board the, the never bruce that i asked basic questions. is there really a difference between you or the right thing is when it comes to the conventions of

the supplement to the outside world, you don't for fighting build your patient or their product or the segment. and what is your share in establishing or those spend on the nose? posting no eggs to see those question. so no trace there and this i think the crew is really list. so news. yeah. for door. so center list and they are the only, i don't think so the rights maintenance and what this is the teams. so it's really quite a questionnaire but which one is better because both. so they said pointing so big pressing, so much leasing to for anyhow. and of course, the strategy arguably is to personify the genocide with netanyahu. there's a film called the b b files to have a design this film, arguably about the corruption and the trial of upcoming trial load out of,

of net and yahoo. they already preparing the way for blaming the whole genocide, everything on nothing. yahoo and his wife and perhaps a couple of cabinet ministers. not as railey society as a whole. is that what they're already prepared to do? no, not blaming you don't is really savvy. and of course, britain, the united states and the european union supplying the weapons too much before the war. they live protesting very bitterly. only one issue against the video. only nothing, you know is a redone. just gets rid of the stable is when we turn into the beauty form already just place that the just to be or those use the phone and then you know, there's no bigger lives in this that then you know, you can see 5 or kind of that home in us personally corrupted

personally, the things that i just want to do. but when it comes to the main issues, the main question, split core of the problem. there's very little difference between them and the thing you know, and by fighting against that and yelling, pushing and pushing only against the it's a, it's a very uncomfortable for them. because by there's, you know, you just blame of them, you know, and the rest is fine. and you course sometimes you focus on a friday against and then you finish. so what about you says because the problem is with danielle. nothing but the team just let us get trained a few minutes everything we still need and that's about the light. it's yeah, light and color says so tending color sense in the end, if i really am very bored the way because they should know that the

problems did not stop, then the island really not the end. after that, there will be replaced and you should be replaced, no doubt about it's about to go through every single hand is really a call from zillow. and before he goes to jail is his only option now. and his enable is blinking the sullivan bite. and there's the only option before january for him to go to war with a ron re godless, of losing against lebanese resistance this week. and they have to go to what would they run, even though it run, tried to connect to what was happening with the lebanon situation. is that going to be a will before january? is a good chance to know him to the about dates. but i'm not sure it's possible. i'm sure it's okay, though. it might end up being at the surface, the way or bets. nobody knows if this is going to have been for us.

we were told that the said cannot bleeds by and said it needs the assistance of the united states. and the question is, if they are right in the states when go for and they don't have an answer for this, gideon, that'd be, i'll stop you that more from the higher ed, it's called them this can all, through the killing of guys are reports on a catastrophe after this break the, [000:00:00;00] the, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the higher ed

calling this in order to kinda give you guys a reports on the catastrophe. gideon, let me give you and you were talking about what the united states response would be, perhaps to any uh, nothing. yeah, a war on iran enabled by the u. u. k. and us, uh, do you think uh, it's possible that um, old 2000000 if they're not killed by the 20th january, trump has promised to lift old military supply restrictions that the trump is going to go for. it's even harder. he's being criticizing netanyahu, or he's being criticizing all the clothes terrace, and genocide. joe not supplying enough leaves a little weaponry to wipe out the palestinians. look, why don't you search often. they are the result. these are going to a weird song. so much hopes ran back obama came to bower. we will show the

g. we really change the bodies hills. united says so these right and human wisdom not only did the didn't happen, he just doesn't ship or the 82 is when the program is dangerous. well, i have a problem with the which is totally uncle dish. i mean is i is look for knowing what advice will feel that that state is not for one request of the united states and stay in gibs ever seeing what is known in its own goals. and this brings me to many question box and the full, i don't see the drum really changing the distribution of supporting use, learn more than any other country in the world. was a big question mark is really use the most the, the place in the one of the stuff so much money from that. thanks. american. thanks pam. but that's the very can business of my business. my business is that this is

cool. there's been a strong influence, is try to add is and finds its own tribes since and mistakes and united states is not doing kids and i have no answer why. i mean, the americans speak about so the 6 that they are from is way none of them is implemented instead of just continue president of the president of the station of, of ministration. to sup paul do that is right, like no other. busy country without any conditions. i agree and the magic. and of course, the american excuses. oh, it's the terrorism. you say in the book, the way of terra is the only way open to the palestinians to fight for the future. only when the bullets fly, the knife striking the rockets boom, do people remember that there isn't other people here with the terrible problem

that must be resolved. i do expect even the, even though with regard to the single excess of resistance, the tara will continue. a new generation has been born this year of those who will try to destroy israel in the upcoming months and years. oh it's going to be think of all the young people that does that. they're really saying that we never forget. can they full that? is that any human being ok for goods? what is live done to them? think about they, they should that who are born into these weird and it shows that who are less on and no, no, no one trauma dies. many times also have a kit to the in the order of nations. well, this thing that we can use them forever when they turn to their own children. and

now is going to be of just such a whole res before. so is right and he's a complaining about a 0. and the word is listening care for these complain. i don't know this initial sterile, but if, if i know why it is killing civilians and civilians, damaging civilians is a much bigger force which can so me civilians in this war and before. so an additional to is a total open question. who is there, we internalize, and what is the system to really drive? there was a stain and tried to it was, was ever they tried most labeled as to when they applied to the security council. it's called the problem of these 2 when they flies and the initial cold of just

these, these labels as being up to when they apply to a boy to this rare is called economy codes here. so what is, can they go? i mean, except to is throwing twice on the is ready, so just and, and then they host the host with coffee and but now what, what else can people do in order to get in on the steps for, for occupation which is so improved to we just pulled in by the word extra smoking. no, generally i don't think so, but the nations and which is fine. doesn't show any size of intention to put an end to this page. what else can they do? accept of really exploding, exploding mentally and exploding physics. it's order to say, but i don't see any other options for them. it's a lot of go,

as nelson mandela said, to emphasize the use of atrocities even against the south african coming as buddy at the time out as the effective october, 7th, being to destroy israel from the inside. not only can all make believe is obviously the mazda immigration out of israel. the jewish people have left the country. but is it destroying itself also, in terms of free speech, i understand your newspaper high reps has been sanctioned just in the past few days . yeah, i surprised surprise. people saw that we would be able to remain this liberal democracy for jules, while we are doing all those atrocities in the west bank and gaza and also to the stand still that. but it's been so is very citizens or the believe are the certain kinds of about the end result. this brand working,

this contents isn't really remained a member of the so came the last a few years, even before the war. when this government came into power, the last one which is the most racist broadway, but if i head and believes me the days of use, it will be the most rest is government here because the start of this claim for these fame and drives the so but in any case, this one is no doubt is the most racist government he had. and now this government is not only a new ink and tom is, or is that but as seen, yes, there will change them or something good. they declare so initial, believe them and listen to them carefully. we can see what happened in our gary in brazil. indulge and you know, in a many other countries i would visit style. good. where did it leave?

and we are exactly the same process and those new bodies range for us. so probably about the democracy. these feel like the john good as they likes to go the way they surprised larry sort of and that we may come to a defense reality. so yes, i is a privilege, june is waiting there. sure thing. so golden does that is they so bored? i still gain total for the whole stage, but i know very well there's a contact for wanted and i know very well to use this. we continue enjoying the service or an over well jen was jewish or not in the european union or britain obviously would be accused of at the semitism if the and they wrote even some of the headlines in how i read over the past few months like our is riley's watching on social media. what is happening in gaza?

are they not watching what the rest of the world is watching and they're not able to, as they can well, she thinks they one's not in use or the media because he's a new guy record it since i'm fairly to waive for adults impatient right now to have for the scene, so guys, you know, the 2 periods the us and read this in the above of it. but if you are very interested, you can obviously easily photo what's going on and goes up like i do like anyone can do. the probably nice that it's not like to meet you guys doing something which eh, but this, it points it's consumers know that's exactly what they want. they don't want to know. first, they didn't want to know for decades about their to page and they don't want to know about it and pay this very moment. and now they don't want to know anything

about the they in clean simple because of the punishment of the mist. kidding gus that they don't want to know about the dentist thing because they don't think it might be might makes you uncomfortable and who wants to be concerned about sleep? i don't know, he doesn't exist. and then also it is much easier to text the old one to blame the summit to so how they're saying the semi did you know, know what's going on and goes up, oh, can you blame those? well, so shots from going to what's going on in got the, your body sir. never by the rule can guess. so you create the doctor and we, she's ready to go. first them says alter, disconnected from way n t living, you know, told the environment that that was to your eyes. in the book about roger was his friend of the show, the founder of pink floyd weeping of gaza. that you say that

a great man of conscience didn't surprise you that in the european union in the united states and britain, there are so few artists that are daring to even speak about genocide in your region. our region. i'm not surprised because they know how strong is the pro israeli machinery in process these low bees, the jo shelby's and the game feeling so and this one is running, protecting those just if i get feelings. and unfortunately, people are like roger, my dear friend, why really in my door with a man. and i was so grateful to get to know him from the originals for a few years. so quite a few years now. but he is really outstanding thinking and then a great exception and no problem. well,

they don't tell you the price is to pay for it. i will do both drain, even though i must tell you that these last doors, the word was as much as i know very, very successful. so you can stand for your friend suppose for your own morality and still be accepted by very big service in the world. and be strong, this well lower than college. don't dare to say well, 200 saying, well the rest of the world is against you. arguably, that's it, that's the point, the rise of bricks and so on. so i suppose finally i go to ask you, and it's a question you posed in the book really as rail exist in the matter of 50 is as you say, is in, in the book. does it look like for you that israel, the whole is really project is coming to an end? so basically, nobody was possible to pay for us to 0 to any other country in the us. and i, seeing the source on the boat is the question is know,

which is linux is the question is what kind of is really? and the only 2 possibilities are they, we'd be and above they'd states, as it's low voltage, we'd be a demo or see, it might turn into a price. they found them in the least the religious nation, at least. and obviously have been kept by a fish or above that's is the, is the word religion go on to the 1st time of fits these 3 into a real democracy in which in quarantine when the books at this rate is full, that they slowed them over soon. though the quantity and the quarter to use the thing is called tradition, between the use way and the ideas that group for going to use what is ever seen except of a quote for all the people who by the,

the so as you're getting and larry thank you i think so. how? sorry, i think they saw arisen pleasure. that's it for the show. gideon's new book, beginning of guys, a ripple, it's on a catastrophe. is that now i've continued condolences to those surviving the u. k. u. s. u, i'm genocide here in this region will be back on monday when it's when he's ready for socialist u. s. presidential candidates who oppose the genocide but failed to be trump to the white house until then keep in touch with the social media. if it's on sense, if you will, country and head to a general going under warranty, the hon, they'll come to us new and old episodes of going underground. so you, monday,

the the, in the headlines you went off the international, the syrian army analysis, a re deployment of his troops. and as i o and militant attacks, the official statement says, terrorists have not managed to take full control of the city. the pro west have demonstrated crossing with police in georgia, demanding close ties with the u. that is, despite the euro, skeptic, government, and winning the race and deluxe. the free people across to the south side of local bakery and gaza authorities,