and matthew miller, for 2 hours, i'm sorry, the serious present myself. i've outside has times to maintain touch with integrity in response to an ongoing, but it's an offensive and then countries northwest. he made those comments during, instead of a conversation with the president of the united arab emirates, while that most of the scenes out was a pleasure to have you with us here on, on the international monte. don't com, lots of ways. so is that we'll be back in about the the

option or center you're welcome back to going underground pool. gusting around the world from you a tomorrow south africa and nation, the dismantled something of anglo american back to apologize. takes the helm of the g 20 the 1st african country to do so. but what does the g twins even signify in a world way? us back to escalations towards russia address closer to nuclear on the getting in apartheid israel openly commits genocide in gaza. shielded by washington's complicity. if you crane is it, was may no longer exist. will israel exist as a rule in 50 as time after you k u. s. you um, genocide, that is left to scar across a little humanity is rouse, existence is questioned in a new book, the killing of gaza reports on the catastrophe. the was a long time columnist of his rightly newspaper har. ets is gideon levy. he joins me again now from tel aviv, a gideon, thank so much for coming on one an amazing book, and you'll be on any national curriculum so far. it is the definitive book of the genocide, arguably before we get to do is read his existence. um,

tell me about what m is. you call him in your rates. columns is telling you about guys when he gets through to you on the phone in the past few days, perhaps this week, even thank you for having me because the phone service pleasure to be here. m a is an old friend of mine who took me around and. busy a full years and years. it was a really good, very, very then trying to, they are there. and they know seeing the war, the middle fix these that i was quite afraid to call him because i was afraid to hear that he was cute. but you're in there, i tried to look for he may, i can find him after a year of a sudden i saw his name on my cell or he couldn't corner me, could just send this message. is that cool? you mean me this thing back and then i realize that he so by easy access to

after a stroke no 10 c. he told me about these days these guys he did last year. i didn't speak with him or was not seeing notes about forwarding, the spot there, about anything else about the supervisor. but now how do surviving this horrible, really just does a day of the day. what do you, what do you drink? what sensors and toilet. i mean, the most basic question i'll do cover the same thing. those cold bags, though, without penetration, without any sing, i'll do poke, i mean really seems that to show what the costs are, pay these, what the human catastrophe is taking place when we. busy to come out here. yeah, that's something or primo levy in your book. i'll give like you mentioned in, in your book the what,

the word god. that means in hebrew. how they refer to gaza. just explain that. yeah. gosh, i am human. we say us, uh and as i is the 1st part of the road as i say, which means hated how and she is right. go to have left allows us and sure enough is i guess i can go ahead and start to do so a 19 full g 8 was transferring their thousands in pencil. so for to jeez, never go back. ever since 48 is really game. the game is turning does a to and but this time it is really a disadvantage because what is with the 2 guys uh, is on comparable to watch it in the side. and i guess the both of us

is not off of us unless he's in guys. i can imagine him said for does he mean to be in the last 14 months 15 months? so do minds in guess uh, on the days a day and the days ready by, by and take, i would say 130. so one place to the other having from the only thing the no income, no safe place to spend the night watching or those atrocities, seeing the style of ation. seeing the destruction, i mean, how can it be through? so by these, for me, it's a big, big question about you rides in the book of how more and more palo city and teenagers in the occupied west bank are writing wills these days in the wake of events in gaza. tell me about these wills that you right of you know, you know, place me in the freezer, he wrote very me immediately. yeah,

one of them hold on for trying to died as a, when a young guy is leaving home in the west bank, noting us and these are uncomfortable one day goal. so when, what day goes, but even in the spring, which is every why do life snow routine aside from the base when he leaves? so in the morning, he never knows when he gets back. would it be a risk that we wouldn't be sure we'd be injects, we'd ever, you relate to check boards everywhere. so the site where they come to your home and nights is dogs. they come to the home and they died. lice is sold hand or some of the west bank, any roads, many of the bird auto spam or so from there is a sense to ride the loss. please write this the money because they see that their

life is worse. and i think it might end in any given mode. and of course, you refer in the book, it sort of split into before october, 7th of to and you talk of the so called left just the phrase left. if you don't put an inverted commas, but it's a word that i think are given these abused all around the world these days. you say the 1st to lose their minds or as usual, the left just after the atrocities of october 7th, tell me about the so called left the distance of israel. so we must characterize the minimal, besides way those uh that that would be this, these as those uh, those will establish the state of his land in his stuff to show. so there probation established, they keep on saying, but also established the settlements. there are those who want to see go visit themselves. the neighbors they consume, i'd say neighbors,

they are fighting against the the oh yeah. demonstrating every set that they, they are very voltage. they're very proud about the more and the intention and more consciousness. and by the end of the day, they turn the back. so the patient to their bob type that jostens isn't this war and dosing minds you are there was because he broke the st. you streaming to have, you know, you have the right to biggest the race. he's to say this uh, the bodies things have no rights in this place. they will never have any rights of this place. we are the choice of people we serve every single day. is ever investing, and we should either transfer them all kids do. it's really sort josee and both these ones are better than what you're getting is what you see when it comes to the

so called liver is very me ever to buy is a need that much nicer. they don't speak like they really seem sober when they not seen their own mirror, they're so self contained as was their borrowed profile. they are again so many things and they even are in favor of a listing in stage one day. no, no this the but one day one and one day, one day they wouldn't even be ready for these. but meanwhile, by screening. so what about themselves? by protesting against the right thing. they never across the board the, the never post that i asked basic questions. is there really a difference between you and the right thing is when it comes to the conventions of the supplement to the outside or do you do the full fighting the patient or their

product or the settlement? and what does your share in establishing or those spend only knows? posting no x t, z, those questions? i don't race there. and that's i think the crew is really list 7 is that 4 door. so center list. and they have the right to me and read. this is the generative. so it's really quite a questionnaire bit which one is better because both. so they said pointing, so they'd pressing so much, no, pleasing cool for any hole. and of course, the strategy gives to personify the genocide with netanyahu. there's a film called the b b files to have a design. this go mug of really about the corruption and the trial of a upcoming trial load out of, of net and yahoo. they already preparing the way for blaming the old genocide,

everything on nothing. yahoo and his wife and perhaps a couple of cabinet ministers, not as railey society as a whole. is that what they're already prepared to do? no, not blaming it on his really side. the article was britain, the united states, and the are being union supplying the weapons much before the war. they live protesting, there would be totally only one issue against that. then you only know that, you know, if we don't just get rid of the stable is when we turn into the beauty for moral. just lays that the, just to be all those use the phone and then you know, there's no bigger lines in this list. any out in tennessee 5 or kind of stay at home and as personally is corrupted. personally, he does things that i just want to do, but when it comes to the main issues,

the main question, split the core of the problem. there's very little difference between them. and the thing, you know, and by fighting against that and yelling, pushing and pushing only against the it's a, it's a very uncomfortable for them. because by there's, you know, you just blame of them, you know, and the rest is fine. and you course sometimes you focus on a friday against and then you finish. so what about yourself? because the problem is the thing you know, nothing but the team just let us get trained a few minutes every single you'd be so new. and that's another lie that we are like i would say are still tending co, a sense in the end, if i really am in a hurry board, the way because they should know that the programs did not start in the island. really not the end of the week, they replaced any show, they replaced,

no doubt about it, but to go to every single him use vehicle photo. and before he goes to jail, is his only option now and is enabled is blinking the sullivan biden hours. the only option before january for him to go to will with a ron re godless, of losing against a lebanese resistance. this week, they have to go to war with the run, even though it run, tried to connect to what was happening with the evidence situation. is that going to be a will before january? is a good chance to mail him to the about dates. but i'm not sure it's possible. i'm sure it's okay. oh, it might end up being at the surface, the way a bets. nobody knows if this is going to happen for years. we were told that the said kid nosebleeds by and said it needs the assistance of the united states. and

the question is, if they are right in the states when go forth and they don't have an answer for this. gideon, that'd be, i'll stop you that more from the higher ed, it's called them to stand all through the killing of guys are reports on the catastrophe after this break. the . the works is by all means though, is only because part of human duty and crisis of our products, like we're talking about, well, most of the 26000000 a, b for the interior needs come. you know, i'm talking about 12000000 displays. we are talking about 9 really and children outside of the schools. my students, uh, both combined use boards every day of savannah will have to uh,

still be good in the way of seeing katy and crisis the the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the higher ed se calling this in order to kinda give you guys a reports on a catastrophe. gideon let me give you and you were talking about what the united states response would be, perhaps, to any net. and you have a war on iran enabled by the u. k. and us do you think it's possible that um, well 2000000 if they're not killed by the 20th of january, trump has promised to lift a whole military supply restrictions that the trump is going to go for. it's even harder. he's being criticizing netanyahu, or he's being criticizing all that goes terrace and genocide. joe for not supplying

enough leaves a little weaponry to wipe out the palestinians. no, why don't you search often? they are the result. these are pointed with so on. so much hopes ran back. obama came to power. we will show the g. we really change their bodies hills united says so these right and human wisdom not only did the didn't happen, he just doesn't ship or the a to is when they don't have the program is dangerous. well i have a problem was they were just totally uncle. issue, i mean is i is look for knowing what advice of united states is, look for on one request of the united states and stay in goods ever seeing cause lower limits or goals. and this brings me to many question box and the full, i don't see the drum really changing the distribution of supporting use one more

than any other country in the world was a big question mark is really use the most negative place in the world. on the south, so much money from that. thanks. american. thanks pam. but that's the american business of my business. my business is that this is cool. there's been a drawer. influence is read to and just read. finds its own a try and sense and mistakes and the united states is not doing it and i have no answer. why. i mean, the americans speak about so the things that they ask somebody is way. none of them is implemented and stay that it just continue president of the president, our biggest ration of, of the station to sup paul, do that is right. like no other country without any conditions. i

agree and the magic and of course the american excuses. oh, it's the terrorism you say in the book, the way of terra is the only way open to the palestinians to fight for the future. only when the bullets fly, the knives striking the rockets boom, do people remember that there is another people here with the terrible problem that must be resolved. i do expect even the, even though with regard to the single axes of resistance, the tara will continue. a new generation is being born this year of those who we'll try to destroy israel in the upcoming months and years. oh i'm just going to be thinking of all of the young people of does a really thing that we never forget can they fold it? is that any human being who can forget what is literally done to them?

think about they, they should that who are voting to these weird issue that who are left on and no, no, no one trauma dies. many times also have the kit to the in the order of nations. well, this thing that we can use them forever when they do their own should say, and now it's can be of just such a whole res before. so is waiting to use a complaining about a 0. and the word is listening care for these complain don't know the finish of their own, but if he's probably know why it is killing civilians and civilians, damaging civilians is a much bigger a fall switch to so many civilians in this low and before. so the question of taro is a told to open question. who is there we internalize,

and what is the system to really drive? there was a student in charge. it was what's ever they tried most labors as to when they applied to the security council. it's called the problem of these 2 when they flies, the initial cold of just these, these labels as you go to when they apply to a boy to these rare is called economy codes here. so, what else can they do? i mean, except to is throwing twice on the is ready, so just and, and then they hosting them and their host was comfy and, but plow. well, what else can i do in order to get into the steps for, for occupation, which is so improved to just pull those by the extra smoking? no, generally, i don't think so. but the nations and which is fine,

doesn't show any size of intention to put an end to this page. what else can they do except off really exploding, exploding mentally and exploding physics. it's harder to say, but i don't see any other houses for them. it's what, of course, nelson mandela said, the emphasized the use of atrocities, even against the south african communist buddy at the time, out as the effective, october 7th, being to destroy israel from the inside. not only you can only believe is obviously the mazda immigration out of israel. the jewish people have left the country. but is it destroying itself also, in terms of free speech, i understand your newspaper. hi, ritz has been sanctioned. just in the past few days. yeah, i surprised surprise people so that we would be able to remain this liberal

democracy for jules, while we are doing all those at joseph is in the west bank and gaza and also to the stance. so that by the students, always early citizens or of their believe on the certain kinds of above the end result. this framework in this context isn't really remind a member of them. so came the last years even before the war when this guy. busy of a man came into power, the last one which is the most racist broadway. but if i had, and believe me the, the associates will be the most rest is government here because a to stop this claim for the same and rightly so. but in any case, this one has no doubt is the most racist government he had. and now this government is not only a new inc, and tom is, or is it but a scene?

yes, there was to change them or something good. then the class, so initial gave them a listen to them carefully. we can see what happened in our gary in brazil. imagine, you know, in a many other countries i was in the style did, where did it leave? and we are executive the same process and those limbo and he's right as well. so probably about the democracy, this feline the john, good as they likes to go early we, they surprise those sort of and that we may come to a defense reality. so yes, i isn't proven in june is waiting there. sure thing. so golden designers, they so board i the game total for the whole stage. but i know very well. busy there's a contact for wanted and i know very well that is this, the continual is very soon over. well,

john was jewish or not in the european union or britain obviously would be accused of as he semitism if the and they wrote even some of the headlines in how i read over the past few months. our is riley's watching on social media. what is happening in gaza? are they not watching what the rest of the world is watching? and they're not able to they can what she thinks they want. nothing is or the media because he's a media recorded sense for them. they're ready to as boy adults impatient right now to avoid the scene. so guys, a, you know, whether to use the us and read this in the above of it. but if you are very interested, you can obviously easily photo what's going on and goes up like i do like anyone can do the po, release that it's not like to meet you guys doing something which eh, but this,

it points, it's quite a few of us know this, explain do what they want, they don't want to know. first, they didn't want to know for decades about their to patient and they don't want to know about to contain this very moment. and now they don't want to know and just think about the, the physical scouts of the punishment, the best, the best can't even go. so they don't want to know about the dancing because they don't think it might be, might makes you uncomfortable. and who wants to be concerned about so if i don't know, he doesn't exist. and then also is much easier to text the old one to blame the simon to. so how to say the semi did you know know what's going on and goes up. oh, can you blame those for social from what's going on in got the your body said, never bother to pick gus. so you create the thought. the image is

riley's fingers themselves older. this collective form. we have a t living, you know, told them denied in claiming that that was your idea in the book about roger ward as a friend of the show, the founder of pink floyd weeping of gaza. that you say a great man of conscience didn't surprise you that in the european union in the united states and britain, there are so few artists that daring to even speak about genocide in your region. our region. i am not surprised because i know how strong is the pro, is raining machinery, the process of these ladies, their jo shelby's and the game feeling single. and this what is valuable in taking those just if i get feelings. and unfortunately,

people are like roger, my d and your friends, while you're really into my uh, door with a man. and i've so great for me to get to know him from the originals for a few years. uh, quite a few years. so. but he is really started thinking and then a great exception. i knew how well they don't tell you the price is to pay for it. i will do both trade, even though i must tell you that these last towards the world was as much as i know that i am very successful. so you can stand for your principles for your relatives, and still be accepted by very big service in the bishop this well lower than college. don't dare to say. well, 200 saying, well the rest of the world is against you. arguably that's, that's the point. the rise of bricks and so on. so i suppose finally i go to ask you and it's a question you posed in the book will, is rail,

exist in the matter of 50 is as you say, is in, in the book. does it look like that? israel, the whole is ready, project is coming to an end of those to nobody if possible. if i ask to 0 to any other country in the us, and i sing that. so some of the about is the question is know, which is linux is the question is what kind of is what i really and the only 2 possibilities are they, we'd be and above they'd states, as it's low. oh each we'd be a demo or see if my to into a grass they found them and police the religious nation at least. and obviously have been kept by an official about. that is the, is the word religion go on to the 1st time of its history. into a real democracy in which in quarantine when the israelis,

for that they slowed them over soon though the 20 and a quarter to use the thing is called tradition between use one ends. this group for the going to use what is ever seen except of a quote for all the people who buy the they so as you get in larry, thank you. i think it's the last. i think it's always a pleasure. that's it for the show. gideon's new book, beginning of guys, reports on the catastrophe, is that now i've continued condolences to those surviving the u. k. u s. u, i'm genocide here in this region will be back on monday when it's when he's ready for the socialist u. s. presidential candidates who oppose the genocide, but failed to be trump, to the white house until then keep in touch with the social media. if it's on sense, if you will, country and head to a general going under warranty, the hon, they'll come to watch new and old episodes of going underground. so you monday, the

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