or are they happy? there is a 100 people detained as well, doing these protests. and as you can get a sense, people agree here saying he said it is west inside and he says we have grounding, whatsoever. while that's all over they send you the other ones. it's going to have your company handled on seeing what the the

options are sent to you're welcome back to going underground pool. gusting around the world from the you a tomorrow south africa and nation, the dismantled something of anglo american back to apologize. takes the helm of the g. 20 the 1st african country to do so. but what does the g 20 even signify? in a world where us back escalations towards russia address closer to nuclear armageddon in apartheid israel openly committed genocide in gaza. shielded by washington's complicity. ukraine is it was, may no longer exist. will israel exist as a whole in 50 as time after a u. k. u. s. a u um genocide, that doesn't have to scar across the whole humanity is arouse existence is questioned in a new book, the killing of gaza reports on a catastrophe. the was a long time columnist. it is really newspaper har, ets is gideon levy, he joins me again now from tel aviv, a gideon, thanks so much for coming on one an amazing book,

and you'll be on any national curriculum so far. it is the definitive book of the genocide, arguably before we get to, to is around his existence. i'm telling me about what m is you call him in your rates. columns is telling you about guys that when he gets through to you on the phone in the past few days, perhaps this week, even thank you for having me. close the phone and sorta as pleasure to be here. m a is an old friend of mine who took me around and does a full years and years. it was a really good, very, very then trying to, they are there. and they last seen the or the mental fix these that i was quite afraid to call him because i was afraid to hear that he was cute. but you're there . i tried to look for he made on finding it after a year. all of a sudden i saw his name on my cell or he called me

could just send this message is i call you maybe this a back. and then i realize that he survived easy access to after a stroke. no tennessee. he told me about these, they denied the last d. i didn't speak with him or was not seeing the forwarding the up there. busy anything else about the supervisor? but now how do survive in this horrible, really just does a day of the day. what do you, what do you drink? what service you as a toilet? i mean the most basic question. i'll just cover the syncing those on bikes. though without the electricity, without any seeing, i will do poke, i mean really seems that or show what the cost of pay days, what the human catastrophe is taking place. what do we. busy stokes now here

yeah, there's something of primo levy in your book give like you mentioned in, in your book the what, the word god. that means in hebrew, how they refer to gaza. just explained that yeah. gosh, i am human. we say us, uh and as i is the 1st part of the road as i say, which means hated how and she is right. go to have left allows us and sure enough is i guess i can go ahead and start to do so a 19 full g h was transferring their thousands intensive. so some 15 cheese never go back. ever since 48 is when they gave me the game is tony does a to and but the side is really to pursue that did because of issues with the 2

guys. uh is on comparable to watch this time. and i guess the both of us is not off of yours unless he's in gaza. can you imagine him said well, does it mean to be in the last 14 months 15 months? so the minds in guess uh on the days really take on the days, ready by, by and take, i would say 130 to one place to the other having from don't defense or no income, no safe place to spend the night watching or those atrocities. seeing the style of ation, seeing the destruction, i mean, how could it be through? so by these, for me, it's a big, big question about you rides in the book of how more little apollo city and teenagers in the occupied west bank are writing wills these days in the wake of events in gaza. tell me about these wills that you right of you know,

you know, place me in a freezer. he wrote very me immediately. yeah. one of them, one for trying to died. as a know when a young guy is leaving home in the west bank, loving us, and these are uncomfortable. one thing also in the day goes but even in the space, which is every why do life so routine, aside from the base when he leaves. so in the morning he never knows when he gets back, would it be a risk that we wouldn't be sure we'd be injects, we'd ever, you relate to check boards everywhere. so just everywhere they come to your home at night, just dogs, they come to the home and they died. lice is sold hand or some of the west bank, any roads, many of the bird auto stay motors. so from their resistance to ride

the last 2 years, right, there's still money because they see that their life is worse. and i think it might end in any given moment. and of course, if you refer in the book, it sort of split into before october 7th of to and you talk of the so called left just the phrase left. if you don't put an inverted comments. but it's a way that i think i've given these abuses around the world these days, usually the 1st to lose their minds or as usual, the left just after the atrocities of october 7th, tell me about the so called left the distance of israel. so we must characterize the minimal, besides way those uh that that would be split these as those uh, those will establish the state of his land, establish also their probation established. they keep on saying, but also established the settlements. they are those who want to see go visit

themselves. the neighbors they consume, i'd say neighbors, they are hygiene goods. the, the oh yeah. demonstrating every set that they, they are very voltage. they're very proud with about the more and the intention and more consciousness. and by the end of the day, they turn the backs, so they'll to patient to their bob type. so there just isn't this war. and those in my view are there was because he broke or say is streaming. to have, you know, you have their rights because they're a cease to say this or the body sense of no rights in this place. they will never have any rights of this place. we are the chosen people. we serve every single day, is everlasting. and we should either transfer them all kids do. it's really sort.

you'll see both of these, what you'll get. and once again is what you'll see when it comes to the so called liberal a say me ever to base, i mean that much nicer. they don't speak like they really seem sober or when day launching their own mirror. yeah. so set of content is there already profile they are again so many things and they even are in favor of a listing and state one day. no, no this the but one day one and one day, one day they wouldn't even be ready to this. but meanwhile, by screening. so what about themselves? by protesting against the right thing. they never across the board the, the never post that i asked basic questions. is there really a difference between you are the right thing is when it comes to the conventions of

the supplement to the outside world, you don't for fighting build your patients or their product or the segment. and what is your share in establishing or those spend on the nose? posting no x t, z. those questions? i don't race there. and that's i think the crew is really list. so news. yeah, for door. so center list and they are the only, i don't think so the rights maintenance and what this is the teams. so it's really quite a questionnaire but which one is better because both. so they said pointing, so they've pressing so much leasing to for anyhow. and of course, the strategy arguably is to personify the genocide with netanyahu. there's a film called the b b files to have a design this film, arguably about the corruption and the trial of a upcoming trial load out of,

of net and yahoo. they already preparing the way for blaming the old genocide, everything on nothing. yahoo and his wife and perhaps a couple of cabinet ministers. not as railey society as a whole. is that what they're already prepared to do? no, not blaming it on is really savvy and of course, britain, the united states and the european union supplying the weapons much before the war. they live protesting very bitterly. only one issue against the video. only nothing, you know is a redone just gets rid of the stable is when we turn into the beauty form already, just legs that did used to be all those years before and then you know, there's no bigger lines in this less than 10 c, 5 or kind of that home in us personally, is corrupted. personally,

the things that i just want to do. but when it comes to the main issues, to the main question, split core of the problem, there's very little difference between them and that then you know, and by fighting against that, then yelling, putting invoicing only against him. it's, it creates a very uncomfortable something for that because by there's, you know, even just blame of them, you know, and the rest is fine. and you course so that you focus on in finding against and then we will finish. so what about you says, because the problem is the thing you know nothing but the team just let us get trained a few minutes every single you'd be sylvia. and that's about the light that yeah, like i would say are so 10 in color sense in the end, if i really am very bored the way because they should know that the

problems did not stop in the island really not the end of the week. they replaced any show they replaced, no doubt about but to go through every single hand is really a call from zillow. and before he goes to jail, is his only option now uh, and his enable is blinking the sullivan bide now is the only option before january for him to go to war with a ron re godless, of losing against a lebanese resistance. this week they have to go to war with the run, even though it run tried to connect to what was happening with the 11 and situation . is that going to be a will before january? is a good chance to know him to the about to but i'm not sure it's possible. i'm sure it's okay though. it might end up being a cause a. so if it's a way, a bets,

nobody knows if this is going to have been for years. we've had told them he said, can nosebleeds by and said he needs the assistance of the united states. and the question is, if they write it states when go forth and i don't have an answer for this, gideon, that'd be, i'll stop you. the more from the higher ed, it's called them this to know through the killing of guys are reports on the catastrophe after this break the the, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the higher ed calling this in order to kinda give you guys

a reports on the catastrophe. gideon let me give you and you were talking about what the united states response would be, perhaps to any, nothing. yeah, a war on iran enabled by the u. u. k. in us. do you think it's possible that um all to 1000000 if they're not killed by the 20th january, trump has promised to lift old military supply restrictions that the trump is going to go for. it's even harder he's being criticizing netanyahu, or he's being criticizing all the goals, terrace, and genocide. joe for not supplying enough legal weaponry to wipe out the palestinians while entering the search. often they are the result. these are going to with so on, so much hopes ran back. obama came to bower. we will show the g. we really change the bodies hills. the united says so these right. even with him,

not only did the didn't happen, he just doesn't ship or the a to is when they don't have the programs dangerous. well, i have a problem was they were just totally uncle issue. i mean is i is look for knowing what it's 5. so united states is look for on one request of the united states and stay in gibs ever seeing what is known in its own roles. and this brings me to many question box and the full, i don't see the drum really changing the distribution of supporting is learn more than any other country in the world. was a big question mark is really use the most the, the place and the one on the stuff so much money from that. thanks. american. thanks pam. but that's the american business of my business. my business is that this is cool. there's been a drawer. influence is for to and is lead,

finds its own tribes since and mistakes and united states is not doing kids and i have no answer. why? i mean, the american speaker most certainly seems that they are somebody is way none of them is implemented and staying them, but i just continue president of the president of the station of the station to sup paul do that is right. like no other. busy country without any conditions. i agree and the magic. and of course, the american excuses. oh, it's the terrorism. you say in the book, the way of terra is the only way open to the palestinians to fight for the future. only when the bullets fly, the knife striking the rockets boom, do people remember that there isn't other people here with the terrible problem that must be resolved. i do expect even the,

even though with regard to this old act as a resistance, the tara will continue. a new generation is being born this year of those who will try to destroy israel in the upcoming months and years. oh is going to be thinking of all the young people who does that. they're really saying that we never forget. can they fold it? is that any human being ok for goods? what is live done to them? think about they, they should that who are born into these 3 and it shows that when this order no, no, no one traumatized. many times also handicapped the order of patients. well, this thing that we can use them for her when they turn to their own children. and now is can be of to such a whole res before. so is learning to use

a complaining about the 0. and the word of is listening care for these complain i don't know that they finish of their own, but if he's probably know why it is killing civilians and civilians, damaging civilians is a much bigger or false which can so may civilians in this war. and before so on, the question of pharaoh is a told the open question, who is there we in terrorize and what is the system to really drive? there was a student in charge. it was, was ever they tried most labors as to when they applied to the security council. it's called the problem of these 2 when they flies, the initial cold of just these, these labels as being up to when they apply to

a boy to these rare is called economy codes here. so, what is, can they do? i mean, except to is throwing twice on the israeli soldiers and, and then they hosting them and their host was comfy and, but plow well, what else can i do in order to get in the steps for, for occupation which is so improved to just pull those by the extra slow things, no doing, don't think so, but the nations and which is the funds that will show any size of intention to put an end to this page or is, can they do accept of really exploding, exploding mentally and exploding physics. it's all the same, but i don't see any other options for them. it's a lot of close, nelson mandela said the emphasized the use of atrocities,

even against the south african communist party, at the time, out as the effective, october, 7th, being to destroy israel from the inside. not only you can only believe is obviously the mazda immigration out of israel. jewish people have left the country, but is it destroying itself also, in terms of free speech, i understand your newspaper. high rates has been sanctioned just in the past few days. yeah, i surprise, surprise people so that we will be able to remain this liberal democracy for jules, while we are doing all those atrocities in the west bank and gaza and also to the stand still that by the students, always very citizens or their believe on the certain kinds of above the end result of this brand words in this context isn't really remained

a member of the so came the last a few years, even before the war. when this government came into power, the last one, which is the most racist broadway. but if i head and believe me they, they slipped to use it for me, then most racist government here because a stop this claim for the same and rightly so. but in any case, this one is no doubt is the most racist government he had. and now this government is not only a new ink and tom, it's always the police scene. yes, they want to change them or something good. then the class, so initially gave them a listen to them carefully. we can see what happened in our garry and bradley in the, in dodge, and you know, in a many other countries, i would be styled in where did it leave. and we are executive the same process and

those new bodies, right? so probably about the democracy. this feline the john good as they likes to go the way they surprise very sort of and that we may come to a defense reality. so yes, i is a privilege. june. is waiting there. sure thing. so golden does that is they so bored? i still gain total for the whole stage, but i know very well there's a contact for wanted and i know very well that if this we continue enjoying the service or an over well, jen was jewish or not in the european union or britain obviously would be accused of at the semitism, if the and they wrote even some of the headlines in how i read over the past few months, like our is riley's watching on social media. what is happening in gaza?

are they not watching what the rest of the world is watching and they're not able to, as they can, what she thinks they want, nothing is, or the media because he's a new guy recruited since i'm fairly to a point built patient right now to avoid the scene, so guys, you know, the 2 here is the us and read this and not above it. but if you are very interested, you can obviously easily photo what's going on and goes up like i do like anyone can do. i'm totally nice that it's not like to meet you guys doing something which eh, but this, it points, it's quite a few of us know this. explain the older ones. they don't want to know. first, they didn't want to know for decades about their 2 page and they don't want to know about to continue this very moment. and now they don't want to know anything about the, the intrinsic of because of the punishment, the best,

the best kidding can go. so they don't want to know about the dancing because you don't think it might be, might makes you uncomfortable. and who wants to be concerned about sleep. i don't know, he doesn't exist. and then also is much easier to text. the old one to blame the some into so how they're saying the semi did you know know what's going on and goes up, oh, can you blame those for social? that's from what's going on in. got the nobody said never about the guess. so you create the doctor, and when she's ready to go post them says alternate is collected from way n t living, you know, told them denied. and claiming that that was, as you're right in the book about roger was as a friend of the show, the founder, pink floyd, weeping of gaza. that you say a great man of conscience. does it surprise you that in the european union in the

united states and britain, there are so few artists that are daring to even speak about genocide in your region? our region. i'm not surprised because i know how strong is the pro israeli machinery. the process of these ladies, their jo shelby's and the games feeling so and these are these valuable, those just if i get feelings. and unfortunately, people like roger my d and your friends who my really is my uh door with a man. and i have so great for me to get to know him. phones are in close for a few years. uh, quite a few years though. but he is really outset thinking and then a great exception. i knew how well the price is to pay for it. i will do

a phone tray even though i must stay within these last towards the world, was as much as i know that i am very successful. so you can stand for your friend suppose for your own morality and still be accepted by very big service in the bishop this well told in college, you don't dare to say well, 200 saying well the rest of the world is against you. arguably does the point, the rise of bricks and so on. so i suppose finally i go to ask you, and it's a question you posed in the book really as rail exist in the matter of 50 is, as you say, is in, in the book. does it look likely that israel, the whole is really project is coming to an end? so basically, nobody was possible to pay for us to 0 to any other country in the us. and i seeing that so. so look right about the about the is the question is know, which is linux is the question is what kind of is where really and the only 2

possibilities are they, we'd be and above date states is it's low. oh each we'd be a democracy is might to, into a price, they found them and police the religious nation at least. and obviously have been kept by a fish or above. that is the, is the word religion go on to the 1st time of its history into a real democracy in which, in quarantine when the israelis for the additional dom over assume though the 20 and a quarter to use the biggest contribution between use one ends. this group for the going to use what is ever seen except the gateway for all the people who live under the so as you get in larry,

thank you. i think it's the only thing they saw was a pleasure. that's it for the show. gideon's new book, beginning of guys, reports on a catastrophe, is that now i continued condolences to those surviving the u. k. u s. u, i'm genocide here in this region will be back on monday when it's when he's ready for the socialist u. s. presidential candidate who oppose the genocide, but failed to be trump, to the white house until then keep in touch with the social media. if it's on sense of what country and head to a general going under warranty, the hon. they'll come to watch new and old episodes of going undergrad. so you monday the the

serial lead of, i saw i from vowels to the feedback loops that have rooms a large scale and sensitive and then all of this country be says they will be eliminated. close it, no matter how intense the tax may be. meanwhile, signifies them as he says, as kansas tennis operation is making considerable progress in the present as opposed to a stupid country, territorial integrity. the pro western demonstrated cache with police in the republic to georgia. they would check with the government's decision to suspend and you assess some plan of correspond.