of the, the option or center you're welcome back to going underground pool. gusting around the world from the u a. tomorrow south africa and nation, the dismantled something of anglo american back to pod. i'd take the helm of the g 20 the 1st african country to do so. but what does the g twins even signify in a world way? us backed escalations towards russia address closer to nuclear. on the getting in apartheid israel openly commits genocide, didn't garza shielded by washington's complicity. if you crane is it, was may no longer exist, will israel exist as will in 50 as time after u. k. u. s. a u um genocide that doesn't have to scar across the whole humanity is rouse, existence is questioned in a new book, the killing of gaza reports on the catastrophe. the was

a long time call them this. it is really newspaper. hi, ritz is gideon levy. he joins me again now from tel aviv. gideon, thanks so much for coming on one an amazing book as you be on any national curriculum so far it is the definitive book of the genocide. i'll give me a before we get to to is raz existence. um, tell me about what m is. you call him in your hi read columns is telling you about guys that when he gets through to you on the phone in the past few days, perhaps this week, even thank you for having me because the phone service pleasure to be here a. m a is an old friend of mine who took me around in does a full years and years. it was a really good, very, very then trying to, they are there. and they last thing in the war. the mental fix these that i was quite afraid to call him because i was afraid to hear that he was cute. but you're

in there. i tried to look for he may, i can find him. after a year or of a sudden i saw his name on my cell or he called me who just send this message is i call you maybe this thing back. and then i realize that he survived easy access to after a stroke. no tennessee. he told me about these dating by the the last d i didn't speak with him or was not so you know, to about 40 weeks ago there. busy anything else about the supervisor? but now how do survive in this horrible, really just does a day of the day. what do you, what do you drink? what service you as a toilet? i mean, the most basic questions i'll cover the syncing those cone sites, though without the electricity without anything. i'll do poke, i mean really things that show what the tests or pay days,

what the human catastrophe is taking place when we. busy spoke now here. yeah, there's something on primo levy in your book give like you mentioned in, in your book the what, the word god. that means in hebrew, how they refer to gaza. just explain the uh. yeah. garza and humorously saved us. uh. and as i is the 1st part of the road, as i say, which means hated how and she is right, go to the left, plaza zoom. ensure now is going to go. so i can go ahead and start to do so. a 19 full g h was transferring their thousands in pencil. so for to jeez, never go back. ever since $48.00 is when the game of the game is done and goes

a to and but this time it is really a disadvantage because what is with the 2 guys uh, is ongoing, bearable to watch it in the side. and i guess the both of us is not off of us unless he's in guys. i can imagine him said for does it mean to be in the fulton bonds, fixed in bonds. so do minds in guess uh, on the days a date on the days ready by and take, i would say 1341 place to the other heading from billy faith or no income, no safe place to spend the night watching all those atrocities. seeing this stuff aisha, seeing the destruction, i mean how it can be through. so by these, for me it's a big, big question about your rights in the book of how more little palestinian teenagers

in the occupied west bank are writing wheels these days in the wake of events in gaza. tell me about these wills that you write of you know, you know, place me in the freezer, he wrote very me immediately. yeah, one of them, one full time to die. as a know when a young guy is leaving home in the west bank, noting us and these are uncomfortable one day goal. so in the day goes, but even in the spring, which is every why is due to lives now, it will seem like from the base when he leaves. so in the morning, he never knows when he gets back. would it be a risk that we wouldn't be sure we'd be injects? we video relate to check boards everywhere. so the site where they come to your home at night is dogs. they come to the home in daytime lives is sold and also

in the west bank. any roads, many of the for auto span motors. so from there is a sense to ride the last 2 years, right? there's still money because they see that their life is worse, and i think it might ends in any given moment. and of course, if you refer in the book, it sort of split into before october 7th of to and you talk of the so called left just the phrase left. if you don't put an inverted comments. but it's a way that i think i've given these abuses around the world these days. you say the 1st to lose their minds or as usual, the left just after the atrocities of october 7th, tell me about the so called left the distance of israel. so we must characterize the minimal, besides way those uh that that would be this piece as those uh,

those will establish the stage. okay, so and the stop the show. so the patient establish the keyboard. seeing but also established the settlements. there are those who want to see go visit themselves the labor as they consume upstairs neighbors. they are hygiene, good. so then, you know, they are demonstrating every set that they, they are very defaulted. they're very proud about the more of the intention and more conscious less and by the end of the day, they turn the back. so they'll to patient to their bob died. so there just isn't this will. those seemed minds you are there was because he broke the st. you streaming to have, you know, you have the right because the race, he's to say this, uh, the price is have no rights in this place. they will never have any rights of

displays. we are the chosen people. we serve every single day, is everlasting. and we should either transfer them all kids do. it's really sort of see both these ones are better than what you're getting is what you see when it comes to the so called liberal a say me ever to base, i mean that much nicer. they don't speak like they weakly steam. so remember a when day launching their own mirror. yeah, so set of content, is there more profile? they are again so many things and they do but uh in favor of the listing and state one day. no, no, just see, but one day one and one day, one day they wouldn't even be ready for this. but meanwhile, by screening. so what about themselves? by protesting against the right thing. they never across the board the, the never,

bruce that i ask basic questions. is there really a difference between you are the right thing is when it comes to the conventions of the supplement to the outside world, you don't for fighting build your patient or their product or the segment. and what is your share in establishing or those spend on the nose? testing? no x t, z. those question. so no trace there. and this i think the crew is really list. so news. yeah, $4.00. so center list and they are the only, i don't think so the right to me and read this is the generative. so it's really quite a questionnaire, but which one is better because both. so they said pointing so big, pressing, so much leasing to for anyhow. and of course, the strategy arguably is to personify the genocide with netanyahu. there's

a film called the b b files to have a design this film, arguably about the corruption and the trial of the upcoming trial load out of, of net and yahoo. they already preparing the way for blaming the old genocide, everything on nothing. yahoo and his wife and perhaps a couple of cabinet ministers. not as railey society as a whole. is that what they're already prepared to do? no, not blaming you don't is really savvy. and of course, britain, the united states and the european union supplying the weapons much before the war. they live protesting very bitterly. only one issue against that then. yeah. only know that then you know, it's a redone just gets rid of the stable is when we turn into the beauty for moral

just legs that did used to be all those years before and, and then you know, there's no bigger lines in this that any out in tennessee, 5 or kind of that home in us personally, is corrupted. personally, that seems that i just want to do. but when it comes to the main issues, the main question, split core of the problem is fairly to the difference between them and that then you know, and by fighting against that, then yelling, pushing invoicing only against the it's a, it's a very uncomfortable something for that because by this, you know, even just blame of them, you know, and the rest is fine. and you course so that you focus on a friday against and then we will finish. so what about your service? because the problem is the thing you know, nothing but the team just let us get trained a few minutes every single you'd be so new. and that's about the light that yeah,

like i would say are so tending co a sense in the end, if i really am in a hurry board the way because they should know that the programs did not start in the island. really not the end of the week, they replaced any show they replaced, no doubt about but to book every single hand is really a call from zillow. and before he goes to jail, is his only option now uh and is enabled, is blinking the sullivan bide now is the only option before january for him to go to war with a ron re godless, of losing against a lebanese resistance. this week they have to go to war with they run even though it run, tried to connect to what was happening with the evidence situation. is that going to be a will before january? is a good chance to nail him to the vote team. but i'm not sure it's possible. i'm

sure it's okay, though. it might end up being a cut the surface away. a bets. nobody knows if this is going to happen for us. we were told that he said, cannot do it by and said he needs the assistance of the united states. and the question is, if they are right in the states when go forth and they don't have an answer for this. gideon, that'd be, i'll stop you. the more from the higher ed, it's called them this to know through the killing of guys a ripple. it's on the catastrophe. after this break, the, the russian states never as tight as i'm sort of the most sense community. most all sense and the in the system

must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on the rush of putting a switch, the r t spoke neck, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube, the student services for the question, did you say stephen quickly check. the boys in english, lots of stuff is a lot to lay out of the t at the fortune of us. and that suddenness portions here goes now with the result of the story and pushing nate or studio and i see for sure option that this be so for ship. oh, for starter home or great. so gosh,

3. and you want you to where it was a school in your welski territory. so this could save the natural log, goes of it. so a former ship portion or the whole day, or you may think about me just a slip. i still knew about chavo in gold and i'm a site is close. i you was in the doors board us at ocean. i continued to go out and died in the now probably in the should the south fish bone clear, but i still don't socket it to the south pole. so comfortable at the post and just got a snap. gosh capt bluish boys coming out on the bus, which is still going to me. so i'm on the policy. i'm just, i'm a got, the union goes to the bus and the lawyer and i get to talk about it. there's dorski, a full fledged bundle of to see the comfortable the some about on the desktop i dropped off some of the stuff, some of the

the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the higher ed school and this in order to kinda give guys a reports on a catastrophe. gideon let me give you and you were talking about what the united states response would be, perhaps to any uh, nothing. yeah, a war on iran enabled by the u. u. k. in us. uh, do you think uh, it's possible that um, all 2000000, if they're not killed by the 20th january, trump has promised to lift a whole military supply restrictions that the trump is going to go for. it's even harder. he's been criticizing netanyahu, or he's being criticizing all that goes paris and genocide. joe for not supplying enough leaves a little weaponry to wipe out the palestinians. while the new search dropped and

they are the result, these are going to a with so on. so much hopes ran back obama came to bower. we will show the g. we really change the bodies hills. united says so these right and human, we seem not only did the didn't happen, he just doesn't ship or the april is when the program is dangerous. well, i have a problem with the 8, which is totally uncle dish. i mean is i is look for knowing what advice. so united states is look for on one request of the united states. and stay in gibs ever seen was no limits or balls. and this brings me to many question box and the full, i don't see the drum really changing the distribution of supporting use. one more than any other country in the world was

a big question mark is really use the most the, the place and the one on the so, so much money from that. thanks. american. thank spam, but that's the very can business knows my business, my business is that this is cool. there's been a 4 influence is read to and just lead, finds its own tribes since and mistakes and the united states is not doing kids and i have no answer why? i mean, the americans speak about so the 6 that they ask somebody is way none of them is implemented. instead of just continue the president of the president of the station of the station to support is right. like no other. busy country without any conditions. i agree and the magic. and of course, the american excuses. oh, it's the terrorism. you say in the book,

the way of terra is the only way open to the palestinians to fight for the future. only when the bullets fly, the knife striking the rockets boom, do people remember that there isn't other people here with the terrible problem that must be resolved. i do expect even the, even though with regard to the single axis of resistance, the tara will continue. a new generation is being born this year of those who we'll try to destroy israel in the upcoming months and years. oh. and it's getting to be thinking of all of the young people who doesn't really think that we ever forget. can they feel that is that any human being who can forget what is live down to them? think about they, they should that who are born into this way and it shows that who are less or no,

no, no one trauma dies. many times also have the kid to do the horrible additions. well, this thing that we can use them forever when they turn to their own children. and now is can be of just such a whole res before. so is right, and he's a complaining about the 0. and the word of his listening care for these complain i don't know the finish of their all, but if, if i know why it is killing civilians and civilians damaging civilians is really is a much bigger a false which can sold me civilians in this war. and before so an additional territories and told the open question, who is the terrorize and what is the system to really drive? there was

a standard tried davis was ever they tried most labeled as to when they applied to the security council. it's called the pro my piece to when they flies and the initial cold of just these, these labels as being up to when they apply to the board to these rare is called economy codes here. so what is, can they do? i mean, except to is throwing twice on the israeli soldiers and, and then they hosting them and they're homeless with coffee and by flower. what else can people do in order to get range for missteps for for occupation which is so improved to we just pulled in by the war in the actual smoking? no. generally don't think about the nations and which is fine. doesn't show any size of intention to put an end to this page. what else can they do?

accept of really exploding, exploding mentally and exploding physics. it's harder to say, but i don't see any other options for them. it's a lot of course, nelson mandela said, the emphasize the use of atrocities, even against the south african coming as buddy at the time out as the effective october 7th, being to destroy israel from the inside. not only you can only believe is obviously the mazda immigration out of israel. the jewish people have left the country. but is it destroying itself also, in terms of free speech, i understand your newspaper. i read this has been sanctioned just in the past few days. yeah, i surprise, surprise people so that we will be able to remain this liberal democracy for jules, while we are doing all those at joseph is in the west bank and gaza and also to the

is there anybody stance to that? but his stance, always ready? citizens or their believe on the certain kinds of above the end result of this brand working. this contents isn't really remained a member of the so came the last a few years, even before the war. when this government came into power. the last one, which is the most racist broadway, but if i head and believes me that they still do use it for me, then most rest is government here because a stop this claim for the same and drives the so. but in any case, this one is, no doubt is the most racist government he had. and now this government is not only a new inc and tom rates, or is that but as seen? yes, they want to change them or something good. they declare so initial,

believe them and listen to them carefully. we can see what happened in our garry ambrose, we imagine, you know, in a many other countries i was in the style. good. where did it leave? and we are executive in the same process and those new bodies range. so probably about the democracy. these feel like the john good as they likes to go the way they surprised larry sort of and that we may come to a defense reality. so yes, i is a privilege, june is waiting there. sure thing. so gold in the space of gold. i still gain total for the whole stage, but i know very where there's a contact for wanted and i know very well to use this. we to continue enjoying the service or an over well, jen was jewish or not in the european union or britain obviously would be accused

of as the semitism if the and they wrote even some of the headlines in how i read over the past few months. like our is riley's watching on social media. what is happening in gaza? are they not watching what the rest of the world is watching? and they're not able to, as they can, what she thinks they one's not in use of the media because he's a new guy, record it, since i'm fairly to as boy, the patient right now to avoid the scene. so guys, you know, this is the us and read this in the above of it. but if you are very interested, you can obviously easily photo what's going on and goes up like i do like, anyone can do. then probably nice that it's not like the me guys doing something, which is a points. it's quite a few of us know this. explain to you what they want. they don't want to know 1st,

they didn't want to know for decades about their to page and they don't want to know about it and pay this very moment. and now they don't want to know and just think about they, they been single because of the punishment to does that mess? kidding and go so they don't want to know about the dentist thing because you don't think it's a might be might makes you uncomfortable. and who wants to be concerned about sleep? i don't know, he doesn't exist. and then also is much easier to thanks the, to the simon to so how to say the semi did you know know what's going on and goes up, oh, can you blame those? well, so shots from going to what's going on and got the your button sir. never by the guess. so you create the dr. images read news, fingers themselves, all the rivers collected from where the t living unit told the environment that i

was as you're writing the book about roger was, is a friend of the show, the founder, pink floyd, weeping of gaza. that you say a great man of conscience to the surprise you that in the european union in the united states and britain, there are so few artists that are daring to even speak about genocide in your region. our region. i'm not surprised because i know how strong is a pro israeli machine every process. these ladies enjoy shelby's and the game feeling single and these are these valuable. anything those just if i get feelings and unfortunately people are like roger, my dear friend who my really is my uh the door with

a man. and i have so great for me to get to know him. phones are in close for a few years. uh, quite a few years though, but he is really upset, thinking and then a great exception. i knew how well they don't tell you the price is to pay for it. i will do a phone tray, even though i must tell you that these laws towards the world was as much as i know that i am very successful. so you can stand for your friend, suppose for your morality and still be accepted by very big service in the district this well told in college. don't dare to say what's rogers say, well, the rest of the world is against you. arguably that's, that's the point. the rise of bricks and so on. so i suppose finally i go to ask you and it's a question you posed in the book will, is rail, exist in the matter of 50 is as you say, is in, in the book. does it look likely that israel,

the whole is where the project is coming to an end? as the old noble as possible depends. i ask to 0 to any other country in the us, and i sing the source on the about the is the question is know which is linux is the question is what kind of is really the only 2 possibilities are they, we'd be and above date, states is it's low always we'd be a demo or see, it might turn into a price. they found them and police the religious nation, at least. and obviously have been kept by and fisher about that is the, is the word religion go on to the 1st time of its history into a real democracy in which in quantity, when, when the israelis for this little demo resume without equality any

quarter, g is the biggest contribution between is way and the ideas that group for the goal is what is ever seen except of a quote for all the people who live under the so as you get in, let me thank you. thank you so much for holding me. so it was a pleasure. that's it for the show. gideon's new book, beginning of guys, a ripple, it's on a catastrophe, is that now i continued condolences to those surviving the u. k. u s. u, i'm genocide here in this region will be back on monday when it's when he's ready for a socialist us presidential candidate who oppose the genocide but failed to be trump to the white house until then keep in touch with the social media. if it's on sense a new country and had to a general going under warranty and rumbled, they'll come to watch new and old episodes of going on the ground. so you monday the .