the, the time action or time. so you're welcome back to going underground pool. gusting around the world from the u a. tomorrow south africa and nation, the dismantled something of anglo american back to apologize. takes the helm of the g 20 the 1st african country to do so. but what does the g twins even signify in a world way? us backed escalations towards russia address closer to nuclear armageddon in apartheid. israel openly committed genocide in gaza, shielded by washington's complicity. ukraine is it was may no longer exist. will israel exist as a whole in 50 as time after a u. k. u. s. a u um, genocide that doesn't have to scar across the whole humanity is arouse existence. has questioned. in a new book, the killing of gaza reports on the catastrophe. the was

a long time columnist. it is really newspaper har, ets is gideon levy. he joins me again now from tel aviv. gideon, thanks so much for coming on one an amazing book is you be on any national curriculum so far? it is the definitive book of the genocide. i'll gladly before we get to do is read his existence. um tell me about what m is. you call him in your high rates columns is telling you about guys that when he gets through to you on the phone in the past few days, perhaps this week, even thank you for having me because the phone service pleasure to be here a m a is an old friend of mine who took me around in. busy a full years and years. it was a really good, very, very then trying to, they are there. and they know seeing the war, the middle fix these that i was quite afraid to call him because i was afraid to hear that he was cute. but here and there, i tried to look for he may,

i can find him after a year, all of a sudden i saw his name on my cell or the coolant called me, who just send this message is i call you mean me, this the back and then i realize that he, so by easy access to after a stroke, no tennessee, he told me about these days these guys he did last year. i didn't speak with him or was not seeing the forwarding difficult. there. busy anything else about the supervisor? but now how do surviving this horrible really just does a day of the day. what do you, what do you drink? what service you as a toilet? i mean the most basic question i'll do cover the sensing those on bikes. so without the electricity, without any seeing, i will do poke, i mean really things that show what the tests or pay days,

what the human catastrophe is taking place. what do we. busy stokes now here yeah, there's something of primo levy in your book give like you mentioned in, in your book the what, the would gods that means in hebrew, how they refer to gaza. just explain the uh. yeah. garza and humorously saved us uh the size, the 1st part of the road as i say, which means hated cow and she is right. go to head lift allows us to insure it now is uh does that include a head start to do so? a 19 full g h was transferring their thousands intensive. so jeez, never go back. ever since 48 is when they gave me the game is tony does

a to and but this time it is really a disadvantage because what is with the 2 guys uh, is on comparable to watch this time. and i guess the both suffice is not off of us. i live season guys, i can imagine it says, what does it mean to be in the last 14 bond, 16 months. so do mines in gas uh. and the days a day and the days ready by and take, i would say 130 for one place the ink from the only filter, no income, no safe place to spend the night watching all those atrocities, seeing this patient seeing the destruction. i mean, how could it be through? so by these, for me, it's a big, big question about you rides in the book of how more and more palace,

city and teenagers in the occupied west bank are writing wills these days in the wake of events in gaza. tell me about these wills that you right of you know, you know, place me in a freeze. he wrote very me immediately. yeah. one of them, one for trying to died as a new way or when a young guy is leaving home in the westbank building us and he's on comparable one day goal sort of the day goes. but even there was thing, which is every why do to live so it would seem like from the base when he leaves. so in the morning, he never knows when he gets back when he be arrested. will it be sure? where do you mean just whenever you relate to check boards everywhere. so the site where they come to your home at night, just dogs,

they come to the home and they died. lice is sold hand or from the west bank. any roads, many of the blue part of the motors, so from there is the sense to ride the loss, please write this the money because they see that their life is worse. not seeing any might end in any given moment. and of course, you refer in the book, it sort of split into before october, 7th of to and you talk of the so called left, just the phrase left. if you don't put an inverted commas, but it's a word that i think are given is abused. all around the world these days, usually the 1st to lose their minds or as usual, the left just after the atrocities of october 7th, tell me about the so called left the distance of israel. so we must characterize the minimal, besides way those uh that that would be this, these as those uh,

those will establish the state of his land in the stop the show. so there probation, establish, they keep on saying, but also established the settlements. there are those who want to see go visit themselves, the bears they consume obsess neighbors. they are fighting against the, the oh yeah. demonstrating every set that they, they are very defaulted. they are very proud about the more and the intention and more conscious less and by the end of the day they. busy the big so they'll to patient to the pop type. so there just isn't this will. and those seemed minds you are there was because he broke or say is streaming. to have, you know, you have the right to bring us the race. he's to say this uh, the prices have no rights in this place. they will never have any rights of

displays. we are the chosen people. we serve every single day is a blessing. and we should either transfer them all kids do. it's really sort of see both these what you'll get, and once you get this, we'll just see when it comes to the so called liberal the say me ever to buy is a that much nice. they don't speak like they weekly steam . so remember when they know they own mirror? yeah, so serious contenders? was there ball road profile? they are again so many things and they you but in favor of a listing in state one day. no, no, just see, but one day one and one day, one day they wouldn't even be ready for this. but meanwhile, by just feeling so good about themselves by both testing against the right thing,

they never across the board, the, the never prose that i ask basic questions. is there really a difference between you are the right thing is when it comes to the conventions of the said to him as to the outside world, you don't for fighting build your patients or their product or the segment. and what is your share in establishing or those spend on the nose has no eggs to see those questions, so don't raise their and this i think the crew is really list. so news. yeah. 4 dollars for federal list and the piece for the rights maintenance and where this is the general teams. so it's really quite a questionnaire good. which one is better because both. so they said pointing, so they'd pressing so much or leaving to for any role. and of course, the strategy arguably is to personify the genocide with netanyahu. there's

a film called a b b files to have a design this film, arguably about the corruption and the trial of a upcoming trial load out of, of net and yahoo. they already preparing the way for blaming the old genocide, everything on nothing. yahoo and his wife and perhaps a couple of cabinet ministers, not as railey society as a whole. is that what they're already prepared to do? no, not blaming it on his really side the, and of course, britain, the united states and europe in union supplying the weapons much before the war. they live protesting very bitterly. only one issue against that. then you only know that, you know, is a redone just gets rid of the same, or is when we turn into the beauty for moral,

just legs that the, just to be all those use the phone and then you know, there's no bigger lines in this that then the out and then see 5 or kind of in the home in us personally, is corrupted. personally does things that i just want to do. but when it comes to the main issues, the main question, split core of the problem is fairly to the difference between them and the thing you know, and by fighting against that and yelling, pushing and pushing only against the it's, it creates a very uncomfortable something for them, because by there's, you know, you just blame of them. you know, we're going to risk these 5. and you course of that. you focus on a friday against and then we'll finish. so what about you says because the problem is with danielle, nothing but the team just let us get trained a few minutes every single you'd be still viewed. and that's about the light. it's

yeah, like i would say are so tending to a sense in the end, if i really am in a hurry board the way because they should know that the programs did not start within the hour and really not the end of the day. and we didn't replace any short pay, replaced, no doubt about it. but to go to every single hand is really a call from 0. and before he goes to jail, is his only option now and is enabled, is blinking the sullivan bite. and there's the only option before january for him to go to war with a ron re godless, of losing against lebanese resistance this week. and they have to go to what would they run even though it run, tried to connect to what was happening with the evidence situation. is that going to be a will before january? is a good chance to know him to the about it. but i'm not sure it's possible. i'm

sure it's okay though. it might end up being in the store if it's the way butts. nobody knows if this is going to have been for years. we've had told that these i cannot believe by and said he needs the assistance of the united states. and the question is, if they write it states when go forth and i don't have an answer for this, get in, that'd be, i'll stop you that little from the high, right? it's called them disk and all through the killing of guys are reports on the catastrophe after this break. the, [000:00:00;00]

the, the, what's happening is by all means. so is what do you think the part of human duty and crisis of all types like we're talking about almost 26000000 people. lot of the interior needs. i mean, i'm talking about 12000000 displays. we are talking about 9 really in tutoring, outside of the schools. my students, uh, both combined usable executives, if you will, have the, uh, the,

the codes in the way of seeing katy and christ of the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the higher ed school and this in order to kinda give you guys a reports on the catastrophe. gideon let me give you and you were talking about what the united states response would be, perhaps to any uh, nothing. yeah, a war on iran enabled by the u. u. k. in us. uh, do you think uh, it's possible that um, all 2000000, if they're not killed by the 20th january, trump has promised to lift a whole military supply restrictions that the trump is going to go for. it's even harder. he's been criticizing netanyahu, or he's being criticizing all that goes terrace and genocide. joe for not supplying enough leaves

a little weaponry to wipe out the palestinians. while in the new search, often they are the result. these are pointed with so on so much hopes ran back. obama came to power. we will assure the g we really change. they embody sales, the united says so these right. and even we seem not only did the didn't happen, he just doesn't ship or the a to is when they don't have the programs dangerous. well, i have a problem was they were just totally uncle dish. i mean, is i is look for knowing what it's 5. so united states is look for on one request of the united states and stay in goods ever seeing was lower than its own most. and this brings me to many question box and the full,

i don't see the drum really changing the distribution of supporting use one more than any other country in the world was a big question mark is really use the most negative place in the one of these of so much money from that. thanks. american. thank spam, but that's the american business of my business. my business is that this is cool. there's been a drawer in parentheses, read to and just read, finds its own crime since and mistakes and united states is not doing kids and i have no answer. why? i mean, the american speak about. so the things that they ask somebody is way none of them is implemented instead of just continue for us and then the president of the station of the station to stop paul do that is right.

like no other. busy country without any conditions. i am the magic. and of course the american excuses. oh, it's the terrorism. you say in the book, the way of terra is the only way open to the palestinians to fight for the future. only when the bullets fly, the knives striking the rockets boom, do people remember that there isn't other people here with the terrible problem that must be resolved. i do expect even the, even though with regard to the single axes of resistance, the tara will continue. a new generation is being born this year of those who will try to destroy israel in the upcoming months and years. oh, it's good. it's the same thing. all the people who does that, they're really saying that we never forget. can they fold it? is that any human being ok for goods? what is live done to them? think about they,

they should that who are voting to these 3 and it shows that who are left or to no, no, no one trauma dies. many times also have the kit to the in the order of nations. well, this thing that we can use them forever when they turn to their own children. and now is, can be of just such a whole receipt or so is right, and he's a complaining about the 0 and the word of his listening care for today's complain. i don't know the finish of pharaoh, but if he's probably know why it is killing civilians and civilians damaging civilians is really is a much bigger a fall switch can solely civilians in this low and before so on additional territories and told the open question,

who is the terrorize and what is the people to they really drive them. but a student tried davis was ever they tried most labors as to when they applied to the security council. it's called the commodities to when they flies and the initial cold of just these, these labels as you go to when they apply to a boy to this rare is called uncommon goods here. so what is, can they do? i mean, except 2 is throwing twice on the is ready, so just and, and then they hosting the host is called pm. but now what, what is can do in order to get in the steps for, for occupation, which is so the pool to we just pulled by the water in extras? no, generally i don't think so. the actions and which is the funds that will show any

size of intention to put an end to this page. what else can they do except off really exploding, exploding mentally, and exploding physics. it's all the same, but i don't see any other options for them. it's a lot of go, as nelson mandela said, to emphasize the use of atrocities even against the south african communist buddy at the time, out as the effective, october, 7th, being to destroy israel from the inside of not only you can all make believe is obviously being mazda immigration, out of israel, the jewish people have left the country, but is it destroying itself also, in terms of free speech, i understand your newspaper. high rates has been sanctioned just in the past few days. yeah, i surprise, surprise people so that we will be able to remain this liberal democracy

for jules, while we are doing all those at joseph is in the west bank and gaza and also to the is there anybody stance to that? but as things always ready citizens, or they believe on the certain kinds of above the end result, this framework in this context isn't really remind a member of the moment. so came the last few years, even before the war, when this government came into power, the last one which is the most racist broadway. but if i had, and believe me, the, the agencies it will be the most rest is government here because a to stop this claim for the same and rightly so. but in any case, this one has no doubt is the most racist government he had. and though this government is not only a new inc and tom rates, or is it but a scene?

yes, they want to change them or something good. very clear. so initial, believe them and listen to them carefully. we shall see what happened in our gary and bradley in the end of june 13 are now in a many other countries. i will give you the style good. where did it leave? and we are exactly the same process and those limbo and he's writing to us so probably about the democracy. these v like the john good as they likes to go to we, they surprise very sort of and that we may come to a defense reality. so yes, i isn't proven in june india's writing there. sure thing. so gold and does this thing. so gold i still gain total for the whole stage, but i know very well there's a contact for wanted and i know very well that if this will continue enjoying the service or an over well,

jen was jewish or not in the european union or britain obviously would be accused of anti semitism if a and they wrote even some of the headlines in how i read over the past few months . like our is riley's watching on social media. what is happening in gaza? are they not watching what the rest of the world is? watching and they're not able to they can what she thinks they want. nothing is really media because he's a new guy recruiting. and since i'm fairly to waive for adult patient right now to avoid the scene. so guys, a, you know, this is the us and read this in the above of it. but if you are very interested, you can obviously easily photo what's going on and goes up like i do like, anyone can do that to release that. it's not like to meet you guys doing something which eh, but this, it points, it's quite

a few of us know this. explain the older ones. they don't want to know. first, they didn't want to know for decades about their 2 page, and they don't want to know about it contained this very moment. and now they don't want to know and just think about they, they been single because of the punishment, the best of the misgivings. and gossip, they don't want to know about the dancing because you don't think it's a might be like makes you uncomfortable and who wants to be concerned about. so if i don't know, he doesn't exist. and then also is much easier to text it or want to play the words united to someone to see how they're saying the semi did you know, know what's going on and goes up. oh, can you blame those lot? so shots from going to what's going on in? got the your body sir. never by the guess. so you create the

doctor, images ready to go 1st them says all the school next up, some way n t living in and told them do not. and claiming that that was your age in the book about roger watch is a friend of the show, the founder of pink floyd weeping of gaza. that you say that a great man of conscience didn't surprise you that in europe in union, in the united states. and britain, there are so few artists that daring to even speak about genocide in your region. our region. i am not surprised because i know how strong is the pro, is raining machinery. the pros of these low bees, the joy shelby's and the game feeling single. and this what is valuable in taking those just if i get feelings. and unfortunately, people are like roger, my d and your friends, well,

my ready in my door with a man. and i was so great for me to get to know him from the originals for a few years, so quite a few years ago. but he is really outstanding thinking and then a great exception. i knew how well the prize used to basically, i'll do both training even though i must tell you that these last tours the word was as much as i know them very successful. so you can stand for your principles for your residency and still be accepted by very big surfacing the bishop this well, it would've been college. don't have to say, well it's roger saying, well the rest of the world is against you. arguably that's, that's the point. the rise of bricks and so on. so i suppose finally i go to ask you and it's a question you posed in the book really as rail exist in the matter of 50 is as you

say, is in, in the book. does it look likely that israel, the whole is really project is coming to an end of those to nobody to possible depend for us to 0 to any other country in the us? and i assume the source on the boat is the question is know, which is linux is the question is what kind of is what i really and the only 2 possibilities either we'd be and above date states as it's low, always, we'd be a democracy. it might turn into a price, they found them and police the religious nation, at least. and obviously have been kept by an official about that is the, is the word religion go on to the 1st time of its history into a real democracy in which in quantity,

when the israelis for this little demo receive without equality and a quarter to use the biggest contradiction between the gives way and the ideas that group for the going to use what he's ever saying except of the quote for all the people who by the, the so as you're getting and larry, thank you as things are so hostile as a service and pleasure, that's it for the show. gideon's new book, beginning of guys, a ripple, it's on the catastrophe, is that now i've continued condolences to those surviving the u. k. u. s e u, i'm genocide here in this region will be back on monday when it's when he's ready for the socialist u. s. presidential candidates who oppose the genocide, but failed to beat drum, to the white house until then keep in touch with the social media. if it's on sense and we will country and head to a general going on the run tv hon, they'll come to watch new and old episodes of going underground. so you monday

the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. if the case of the med, most of the people i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon, this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing press for so the funder lion likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to me on that. we have very close propaganda. you know a price here in new york, i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask the better the answer is will be the