substitution, watch all who can bring it to a close both to discuss that i'm now joined by jobs for we'd all tell ya, executive director of speak for a for studies and developing a suit. any thing time talk to, i'll tell you if it's great to talk to thank you very much for taking the time. thank you. that's it. and so if you, for taking the time diversity in addressing what's happening in so though that i've seen some estimates suggesting that the scale of violence, suffering and destruction. and so don eclipse has both the war in your brain and the conflict in gaza combined. and yet it receives significantly less attention, both from the media and from the international community. so what do you think explains that? what's happening here? so that is used by warmer use. so is only because of human duty in crisis of all types, like we're talking about almost 26000000 people in day. i mean, do you need to come, you know, i'm talking about drills,

media and display is on the list. can i use tools enabling tennessee is we are talking about lying we into between outside law for schools. my team, we understand that one's a both on buying into sports or the innovative city will have the uh, the, the books in the way of so medium crossings kind 12. so thoughts of on the 6 to a very long since every support shared the situated, say levity means when we do that, i despise them. all of the hottest. if when you take that beats and do you do that? so is a funny said weakness by the words ins allows safety as low as the equipment. they said they don't have any attention from the with on board because it will dissolve to 60 minutes of the slides on many scenes work and meet your needs on. i think is uh being that it is about about the loading. so done series and maybe div that's

mean broadcasting by 14, but a lot of spark. the community is the only e, right? that part of them it is. we try to just defines all of those it for you, so done as well. again, this is plenty is kind of or i'll give you a dentist. uh, let me tell you the game and other than you used to do more critique or receiving the rules into that. let's just call me anthony attempt to cover letter and life was the crimes going to be the buzz orders if you see it useful. so you, we deemed up, i also want to mention something that a one high ranking your unofficial side about it. he said that's t. a rather said that this conflict is being ignored due to the so called psychic phenomena where people feel more pathetic towards the tragedy as the death toll continues to climb . to some extent, i think that's understandable. people around the world have their own lives to

attend to, but we have special agencies. we have special institutions like be a form mentioned to you around to deal with those issues. they have the expertise, they have the resources of a base point of time. how would you assess di involvement, and di, response to this i'm going emergency. so you and says being was a feeling good in order quantity can have lena seeing yet for some di, particularly. and so that as you and feel some thoughts of transitioning some down to more for the transition of those are the meetings. and so hoping that even he says in 2019 the gold uh, excuse me. and uh just let me get on. what are the c u, d n, seal clubs? it's a nice little community as a whole field and so forth. it sounds he shouldn't even be in a steve or uh give him a quick transition. and the slip to a cool new into the tool kit and keyboarding party with allies to talk. it was a cv and sometimes a style of 5 being i'm on was installed into and they said in between the 2 in the

street uh, the dimensional community. it has too many competing interests and z u. n is feeling this will need to see uh owns the store will meet in the city of a supplier. and um, and i just need dimensions that i didn't to the is the situation. so the house i have oh, can i just clarify uh, something that you just said that the international community fail to support the civilian transition instead on. what exactly do you have in mind because you also have been critical and unwilling to accept any kind of for an intervention? so what measures do you think that you should have taken to make this civilian transition? by the way, you work for that civilian government to yourself, or to make it more stable to help with take groups in the, in a country that has been, let's admit, brutalized by violence for many years. it's really just call you wear clothes,

assistant painful, his stuff. beauty is at times as you know, the prime minister during the transition and a continual status. how does that? so the community was ignoring. so to me, to link these fees values that you know, when you uh, form civilian government and just the ceiling, quotes these out settings that will result little things on that. for example, as a us government continue claim was the sanction based on this evening. so most of them as that as, as a state sponsor of to resume for almost 20 years of that is um, after after this is denise people by themselves, who's out l problems always many seem to have the don't bring down one of is a weird a space, let me use the sheets in the world. i mean after you go and after that, so you may have instigating some sort of of support for the community to tell these

type of like things nothing. media new calls that come up, however, to you is besides the as the filing last name. so the design is abroad or in the steering to both of these are understanding or be seen as any and also the physical into any to anyone. the you in, is it a new and has the guide me to the entire government and you don't see all of those are consistent in east africa as the form i was informed. i'll try it out through the week. anything being either tim to, to, to revamp is a, oh, how is that? is that your is and your, the, here's the we saw the, the image. it's the absolutely sideline display. lots of think seeing systems in all of these done picking and choosing how can i go to? so, i mean, if the facts and that sort of thing wonderfully feigning 0 visions for

a while or an m d tweens look at them for now. how do you understand the interest of those belligerent forces, the military on one side and depaula merit and military and grouping? what are they fighting for at the moment? because from what i know be, so do these economy is in collapse farmers kind of do the jobs, half of the population is facing acute food in security. are there any resources apart from the heavily brutalized population to be fighting over? there is no other. this is awful at times a dentist as it is and through the rest of the community continues to control many of the resources on some time this has started to use a goal. we try being weed from that mean very easy to ingles mining is that's being done. the ends of all true is mean one of the allies under the unit i need. we need to be on one of the laws. why uh, bypass these that house connection to image scott, especially because of the marketing debate. and also what was the deal only because

uh, those dish of, of them that controls over $700.00 uh mines in file he'd sort of easily see which is the biggest uh it was, uh, it was a little old. so uh, i mean its, it's also a media resource. uh, it will spell inside of the customer line and we are a little confusing according to the child as they try it for a very long time. and uh, what we can call, i'm bouncing around the diabetes and can you just know dates that line so 99 years on to the zip codes, even easy, the 18 even as very simple things. uh man was uh would allow him to do any uh, grass, so uh these literally does a communities this may have the communities of course, over throat a lot of these uh, products. uh so,

so basically i think land water will, um, will solution. obviously, i mean things that makes a lot of a super well already in general. well, the super bowl or the silver border answer be the boards who want to be super close as well on b, b o. c. then a base point of time. do you believe that any civilian government can manage the situation on its own and what kind of, how can we be concrete? what kind of, how do you think would be the best for your country? oh, think it's not anything really. and government goes into the specific community and government to keep calling the call. 100 things a constraint is almost, we need to understand. one thing about this war is this war is happening with you any between tool, but at those local channels in it's far, much way of that is also what's most of us all those if was disability before, is that a good support forces we're parked in those just few years ago, you know,

cool, does that. i gave me this, the meaning it's ends in uh, so for most control over orders. if an artist is feeding these uh, 5 feast and be soon off. and so it's an e bills and they tend to uh, the fees they have a field goal going to $15.00. so it's really 20. so me about my forwarding boards far between that easy way, e and, and, and you to exactly, to desist for or so without actually and seen use me for meetings or me, find a dismantling ghost is also orders. if, as an institution, there won't be no way of moving carefully started beeping little on democracy in for that. one thing that i said ultimately because it is the community stop doing fear, is that how the superficial misguided in defense in that is that try

to address the, the risk of, of the bubble and suit a blind iphones items of this for me, the by said, thing buffy is wanting to do these odyssey is, is even in allowing us to junction and the only game for the soul, least of realizing zip codes. the more and more we have to take a very short break. but i promise you to return back to this very pressing issue of the for an intervention in your country. so stay with us. uh, we will be back in just a couple of moments. the the

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[000:00:00;00] the welcome back to was a part with jobs for me. i'll tell you up, executive director of the pro for studies and development, the sued in his think time. now. uh, doctor, i will say if i do want to discuss uh for an intervention, but before we go there, let me ask you specifically about the claims of the arab supremacist ideology that's set to be running high within both the warring factions. i'm not an expert here, so i'm asking for a, for your opinion here. i've heard that there was a certain sat of our commanders, especially with the power military force. what have

a fascist or supremacist out of ideology, some of them hailing from the western dar 4 region and they're able to report that some of them believe that this is sort of dialogue that everybody else has to be driven out then that you know, they're the sole rightful owners of that place. is that true? it's true, but it's more complicated than sends out. but i think when we originally it was the tim you'll see. and so that describes the ideal of use artist is, is, is that i do say our fax is through an estimate. so let me see if i all calls will fall into the officer. the find the uh, the states full, full size, easy. well this was this estimate so, but the sabrina st use being your prize a fact that won't cover a lot of interest. honors if, if our mind here is the nice yeah. see what they want to use to does that resource

is going towards the country going towards that and why they are doing this? they are using the estimate for the b i, as i recall, think that the cars, including a method or no the quote uh people from easily from sales being, is being close to drawings in regards to doing this. think only the of of orders, disney, kinsey. they've only the mass i to most of these, unless building again is unless i need to email to gina, see me, i'm doing 2023. i'd be on the stairs of our, which are awfully conductor for the tribes legal meeting thing as much cooling as we're getting going thing loves the only things. the theme. uh, most of these by mass doing again is uh no, i didn't use other products and i use the boards from our defendants in other areas . and so like what's happening, you know, give you the scanning for example, the lease in the list. that's the lease. so how does it guilt almost to the 2000 people on the screen?

it gives either instead of going through danville on from out of defense. so um, what were the other things that they are destiny, fact busy whose lives have been already any autos, if you release you out the words they are using the as, as, as it that the browse other than i was then then jimmy weeks. uh, the now i read that there are also cases of atrocities of ethnic cleansing being committed by the army side as well. so none of them is particularly attractive to the force to lead the country into the future. now i uh recently um, how does that sound that sound nice house, do i have to go into some things? yeah. because yes, the, are he normally in defending the army is to split up on a bus again. so then as a look, move kind reform. what i'm telling you this, this deal is the 25th to of outs of meetings as need uh is we can be as grinding

the buzz when you look at the i took on was this impulse fold? so the, the shape of stuff itself, you find, you know, from little by mouth. you'll notice from data for, you know, some people know, you know, you shouldn't begin our fall. so glad to see that. we submitted the fest museum for me to lieutenant video blank on the slides. i means that you know like the tab your resources inside of your w platform looks g tells you about the extent of savings information. and this information can be, we have a probably a war between going back out this float. the did this, but one of them is, was done. so how does that? but as a tim phone said, the name is very important because groups name is green media to cover well, but is the fact that the uh, the use use information on this information lives is may last year when is or

either of the reports of our very official and vitamins to start to happy is that what the less school is if you be in front, which now the drums flowing in the islands that slip by the handle of the form would probably be listed as the admin of all 3 of kansas 5. if this is go, maybe the local police and you own the might be saved in here, you know the love to spot the look of the gold football team on the to have zeta statement loans. the said like to welcome meeting by the others. if i'm city of these cases with only the vice of 20, it was only at that time. that was is, this is weird only did. why is the hottest is while the it was on the phones in the view, it's a play of was there was a public outcry, and this will be called cry force that the video from these blows. are these big mean, apologize of i'll be lucky if let me, i'm sure, is that the cost and use information on distribute things that mean?

this is more just a boy level where does this fix the prospects and will see many best fits the likelihood and safety old zip b one teen more. the brought the key one for rooms out of this all this floor. sometimes i had on until of this war we need to be fine except the way that it is kind of coming from when you just trying to be name and that people are commuter, by distributing cause. um, if they believed envelopes. uh also that also crimes like this, you will out of you being the blink event. you don't need to continue doing that, but it seems that they are doing. i think it also shows that the fail, statehood is a very complex phenomenon and you truly need to think very carefully and deliberately about how to lead the, you know, a country through that very precarious transition. that's simply having a civilian government. there's nothing out there shouldn't be indeed an organized effort, both by the local society,

but also by the neighbors well wishing neighbors and perhaps all the actors to how that very vulnerable and precarious process to go on, rather than leaving it on the, on its own. and exploiting it for very is your political or economic reasons. now, now that we have come to the point of discussing for an intervention, you mentioned before, the role of the united arab emirates being very critical accusing it of funneling weapons to the part of military and groups. how do you understand the and the rabbits interest at this point? what are they trying to achieve that? right. so we did the unloads, the one moves that's using say it's available. and if so, when you have in the beginning of this year in january 2020 corps are the floor. excellent. while you uh buys that you, you've been going to experience a blank page that you have given, given the dates of the to that for pointing finger diet at the daily and for

painting. so whoever is in, you know, certain 15 like the ones that, by the way, up and transform to from that. and after that, and you had like the buildings of independent reports from different media outlets. the human being was a continuous support of the continuous leave. live lines will supply of weapons to the tools artist. if you need that for these ripples are be used to drill this. are these people. all of these are things that is also the importance of easily send beings, oddest, if by the ones that are going to be friends with ones and through them with us to, to other countries. that's really peoplesolved from oak or no. uh, the hardest is that what i'm seeing is, and you're kind of tim, if you have a crime of dilution by you, he's

a sponsor for the odyssey of seems to be once and it was the same thing. there are trying deals if the room moving him through was, was hoarse, and then so i mean the, the order and the i to i have to spend and on for that they are holding the screen . so is the only way that my study was they who is in with that with the you and as they are using some sort of diplomatic of humanitarian diplomacy. don't you also have, how do you understand their interest? because i'm very skeptical of various, uh, independent or you and reports. i mean i, i used to be a reporter, award importer in libya in syria. and i know how these documents, uh, you know, compose, they are hardly and depends, but since you're a, an expert, then the you're, you're definitely they have an interest in the wellbeing of, of your country. how do you understand all of those 4 in interventions because it's not only the united arab emirates, and not only is there all you know that the roster too has been accused in western media off supporting the part on military force. so i want to understand why those nations are sad,

or i indeed involving themselves in that matter. i think most of us a you, a, you and mine is very easy will have uh, interest teams or wills. and so that is really basically because of the deal, no cation and what we're on the south is, i mean, little south buicks in which was of use and rights to grow system down here to space. as i said, you e is looking outside the customer and land pads at city see stores also done as united be sent to physical, russia as being also known to be very much in board of teens. uh well uh, smuggling functions down. and by the way, it lets say you smoke one of your support things uh odyssey is or is that you lean both sides on some more of the beds they have the underneath since he's going south and say, how does it relate? and she was always, if not, so it was a 5 minute ago when she's missed school. nick,

the i've been useful for you. she does. uh well well well the way, the 2nd the, the because this is a very serious allegation. back there, a group is a private group that stage last year that stage the cool against the russian government. i mean, they were russians service meant that were killed and that's cool. so it was a very shady story and it's true that the russian government relied on their services both in ukraine and i think perhaps in some other places as well. but it is clearly, it is also clear that the crumbling does not issue orders to back in their wagner can oppose kremlin very strongly. so when you say that russia is involved on both sides, isn't the russian. now, how's the do you mean on, are you actually? yeah, you know, do you actually have in mind the crumbling, the official russian government who's trying to, you know, pull the strings and your country, the criminal, and of course, as a present good. this both of the formerly states, i believe this invoice asks you scheming it certainly since the boys up for wednesday,

i believe this incidentally was at the beginning. stuff was as well that greetings has us on collins, which as you know, as you very much know physical or flag later when uh, some people leaves the uh, the, a lot of it will was lee brown beats as uh, off the contents of the continue to uh, have some relation of the expensive business dies in africa. that's true. i'm not sure. and that'd be because instead the guy since the many other nations. yeah. and, and then i'm talking to you as well. i'm not talking about police and i'm talking about just about another group which has a really complicated think and maybe with ups on downs. really easy and see what we have with us and uh go look and look, live smoke 4 digits. see it drop it off in, in a few weeks before the war,

when he was in some done, the booklet, the defense vivian was making sudan and say, all the things that they're out of toby and fighting to losing and, and just of advise exec, empty. so basically this was the us and uh, 40 in the fields, mr. king, mike, and please saying that the retina rules that was known for cleaning supp, running and as to the other thing was nice. is that just 2 months later in this year or was, was different the and the no, sir. okay. as long as you uh, i'm sure of. well, no security in africa is a very precarious matter. there are indeed a request for private contracting services coming to wagner. and perhaps some other officials from various african groups or african nations that even though it's. * does not, i think the prove that the russia in some matters, supports terrorism or the violence against your country. i think if anything, i think it would benefit from, you know,

normalizing the relationship because as you pointed out and also may have interest in the, you know, warm water, 4th, etc. but since we have to finish our conversation, i want to ask one of those questions. what would you like russia and any other interested nations to do at this point of time given the level of violence? what, what, how this point of time to the people on the grounds, not the various factions, but the people who are still suffering goals. the dimensions that's happening was done right now for them, for info orders. and that's trying to, uh, to see if this went into this auto home from work leads in dimensional community is go in both extreme and you'd be amazing experience. gusto b, o, a also continuous support as autos. if this is almost the same as the easiest and quickest we know, spoke to the lord in some brands or will look, has continued. and the way you have is still uh, supplying is

a way problems. this applies to the orders. if you'll be able in advisor to even get in a curriculum, any duty lane, if in the 2nd in sports about western in general on board so far as out eastern time, you can make things that ident indicating to the bill still leaking and causing you to supple for them to see them easy me is poor for them because they've been used political have best. this is me want out of the home he was or how does that i chose only presents in the west how support the, the items that to me won't come from be by the way strand i'm now buys, as now the 2 scenes here is hopes that e mail out these kinds all this, if i didn't get the same as will. how does that all items i was assigned, communicate these google few that have been sure to stop the war, need to step towards the collective ben, if it talk to somebody in spam or world for the police. because unbox is that,

i think that will save in gwinnett because he needs all the bands that holds the old for the new dentist. okay. dr. al, times we have to leave it there. but the i strongly side with your point of view that the war needs to stop for the benefit of the people. thank you very much for being with us and hope to see her again on the world's

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