the, the welcome across the bull horns were all things are considered non peter, although after use of relative peace, why has the level of fund to been reactivated? is a surgery is turn again, also is a trump piece plan for the ukranian conflict? farming up? it would seem, so are the russians even interested at this point? to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess towards samuel in budapest. he's a pod cast or i think as well which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet republic. he is deputy for an editor. it comes to most guy a problem. the daily original link prospect rolls in effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. i was gonna

start this out with george in budapest. well the, the level front has been reactivated, as i said in my introduction, this is like days of who all over again, 2016. what's going on here, george, you mean a ceasefire or what they call a cease fire, and lebanon is established, and now we have, uh, a really, quite impressive uh, uh, a strike against, uh, syrian forces and considering how much effort, blood and treasure um, uh, damascus, uh, used to regain a level looks like and i don't even when it's hard to tell if it's under threat isn't occupied. i mean there's so many different reports out there at this point. i don't even know how to describe it, but um this is massive. damascus is on the backboard and we all have a pretty good idea of who's behind this george in the theater. we have a pretty good idea because it's the same cost of directors that was behind the on

the floor of the game, syria back in 202011 through to the 2016. when without question, this is a is shopping development. and it's clear that the israel is in the business of dealing with all of them is adverse. there is an at one of the same time. and i think the serious vulnerability, i think, and most because of what does what to have done. 11, i'm a to has all of i think as well as been a key play up in uh, in, in the fight for survival of the bus around the sun. and, and his mother's obviously very weak and i mean these real as decapitate the it's leadership. it's clearly in, in disarray so that we won't be able to provide the kind of assistance that he has with over all these years. iran is also much weekend so it also is unable to provide to the assistance. and um, and of course we have um,

they're the one who is always coveted. uh, syria 0 here. hit pretended, devious way as this. these won't do that. he is somehow, he is in the business of seeking reconciliation with the thoughts i got into something new in that you know, it's not, there is the rain. he had problem is good relations with syria. it was good friends with a bus driver side, but he sees this opportunity to mount this also, i think is very serious because i think the, the faucet has that had ensure the survival of the government in the mask us back in 2015, 2016. i think are now much weekend or preoccupied elsewhere. so i, you know, rather the pessimistic i think is a little the outlook is not good for a bus or a lot that you know team. and it's really quite interesting to me that a lot of the think tank are, is in washington in london, and looking at the complex and ukraine. been warning that the russians might take

open up other friends around the world and then say we're a no, no x is the office. this is an opportunity for the outgoing administration to me. mix up the works even more. so this, obviously there's a lot of scores to be settled because of the dirty proxy war of 2011 to 2016 georgia's got that. absolutely right. but there's always the element of an anti, uh, anti russian element of is coming from the west. and israel is willing to play along if it suits its goal. so this is just as much against moscow is as it is against damascus. ah, well, i am just bound by the narrative. uh, which we hear from washington that from europe. okay, uh, what kind of restart. this is a huge misfortune. people are dying. millions of people view is secure now. and what's the merrick you're from the west. it's not a matter tool, sarah,

it's called to waste, you know, also hours a week and now is the most uh and no one is actually uh, essentially explaining what these h t s stands for is uh, the shop, which it is. uh, it's iris, oregon. i use the stock shop means syria. dr year is uh, you know, the same as the, all the terrorist organizations he's worked out for you, you know, we just came to the, i think of the night the stays by the way. so it's, it's amazing. we have a da, these very strange i'm on a lots west empowers and these grow and why themselves to you from just trying to 12 volt ah said go arrow blue sheets. this is really strange because that's the ones that use rows now or do you know we are staying, you know, low, they gaze the east pharmacy crabs. we are protecting our people in well protected west. and she was

a coffee on up to deputy and west and she was evening syria call call you'll, you'll basically provide services, you know, it was on that these are the providers medical services to based on his groups. well, actually it brings to my mind, they're very, very interesting parallels a, i will say a friday or no, you know, the state department recent miss said that your grade was a ball work. i'll look on the west of the world against the russian. what was that was the banner gift long before the war? either way, just any of the 3rd? yes. the what i smoked about for him as a baltimore against the, against the wall she was. and she was germany, was seen as somehow like. well, sometimes again, it's a ball work against, uh, uh, so the pressure i don't want to, i do are start as russia, but kendra was certainly much worse. and here's what happened. chiefly attacked the

west, what you have that brush. so the ball was turned against. uh its main oh, what is the same way? oh this is almost broken. i say no one is disputed. the fact that this is the same person to tell no he brush had dropped off on me. so i, you know, handle that the shop is the same as the crowd almost at least declared himself a secret successor. ok the so the idea, yes, no charge and beam is absolutely right. i mean, this is 31 flavors of islamic terrorism. as far as i'm concerned, i mean you can change the uniforms, you can change the name, it's the same group of people committing the same atrocities. i'm not going to repeat it on this program, but some of the things that i've come across in the last few hours. it's the same people with the same um d, b as a cool behavior. and they're, and i guess their freedom fighters and all of this because it's against the solid because it's against the run because it's against, as blog. there isn't there's,

they're not talking about their values right now. are they towards go ahead? no, there's not. no visor is to consult and you're absolutely right. then because this was we, we pointed this out so many times during the a height of the war in, uh, syria that hey, whatever happened to this global war on terror, we're supposed to be fighting against this. islamic fundamentalism is dangerous. his mom is by etiology. and yet the global war on sarah continued to target the regimes that were themselves fighting against uh, as long as terrorism. so who was in the cross as well? so now i was saying by showing us a moment good off a. well, that's very strange and the end of goes to throughout it all is russia and iran generalists all the money. so as all of the people who are, you know, who i'm being targeted attack sanction assassinated by the west arrest

is citing. the games is not a fundamental is the one who's fighting on our side. well, wow, these on a fundamental list. and so we've got the same thing here. we have um the video, the israel, which has continued to bounce, there is where it is still bombing syria, even as this offensive is being. mounts that this a doing it then because israel has played a major role in weakening the army, us area because i gave them the media a token, gleefully about how old the serial army is doing. very poorly is being bombed, non stop day off the day of the day by israel through house series through bullies use offensively because those things somehow is a, posing some sort of a, an agent of the wrong. and of course, this had an effect and wish, or some of the gifts that throughout these years the united states has maintained the was brutal, vicious for risk sanctions. i mean this area as not being able to,

as soon as that you just put anybody. so back on it's feet off the uh, the, the, the more or less the end of the war in 2016 because they knew the united states and the european union really ratcheted up the, the sanctions. the point way is, syria is unable to have access to its own oil resources. is, are they able to have access to its own um, agriculture and then the width is sort of believe it was the syrians is doing very poorly. well, this is what happens when you do, we apply this kind of pressure bombing from us area, turkey maintaining and strengthening this terror is based in english. and then you turn around and say, well, why don't? well, that's surprising going on why, why is this area doing better than it is? well, this is what happens if the series a weak vulnerable country. and if you do that, the serious, then this is, will be the result. and if it was the last few days or any indication of this,

the demon right now, is this, then the me a, there was no end to the proxy, more vicious been re ignited. it's a because it's the same cast of like, you know, team of the, the one character. and then we will that we all love to talk about because he's such a fascinating characters. everyone. i mean her to one, all these over to are, is a rebuilding and relations with the wisdom ask us. but once he sees an opportunity, and maybe this is a, a link to the incoming trump administration to get that name. have the good graces of the war hawks that trump is going to bring on board. you know, he's showing his credentials that he's anti ran, he's anti syria. you know that there are many reasons why he may be doing what he has. but he also obviously saw an opportunity and he's a read himself with forces, but he is openly been against or been rhetorically against um, particularly since october 7. so with, and this is not going to do any good for us. so i got into

a russian turkish relations whatsoever demo as well we will see, you know, president will jim, as getting a boat to do with our build up for a very simple reason. all the, all the necessary with your, i mean to the last is open it for style. so i don't know gone, you know, a drag or recess. he's dangerous as you use these tools as far as the west about the needs that has to be. but these are s o b is something like that. absolutely, absolutely about the program is that uh uh, a basically with have the same 5 ton of advance. we beacon so, i mean, remember 911 who committed this crime. it must be wrong. it must be a sample say, no, because i found a lot of you guys, probably a lot of them to the right agent. know is your right just for your a jump in and get your stuff has. and then these people say, well,

conspiracy theories, when they say that the light, the space to raise the, it's all aimless, you know, the terrorists that, oh, cd is they're all american for my american ages. it's the opinion that i have to tell me. we're going to find break, but a questions in the middle east continued to be killed. that's not reported in the west, and i'm going to jump in here gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real and stay with our cool the

of course the nearby slab stuff is a lot going out of the key at the board. she must not submit a sports and she wasn't able to deal with the story and pushing nate or studio and i see for sure option that this be so for ship off. we started last week and you want to do it was a school in your welski territory. so this could save the natural logos of it. so when we ship portion or the void, me talk about a football, i still knew about chavo in gold and on my side as close i, you was a category story board us at ocean and continued to go out and died at bowie. now probably in the chevy south pieces to see about store, they'll sell it to the south pole, so comfortably develop those to me just got a square gasket full rich voice coming out on the bus, which is still going on to me. so i'm on the policy, i'm kind of august the waiting in go, are you still not on the bus,

the number you get to talk about it is dorski a whole bunch bundle of the circle comfortable the summer, but on they're not. i mean, yeah, the desktop i dropped off some of the stuff, some of the the well domestic cross side boulevard is, were all things are considered on peter lavelle. and george you and i've talked incessantly over the last few months. and particularly since the election of donald trump is famous, i will a 124 hours even before i'm and now you're in it. okay. and that's the kind of the mantra here. well then there's some indications of something is going on. okay, a ceasefire. maybe there's some kind of soft partition,

a soft, nate, co entry. lots of strange things coming from the stranger's characters that we had hoped we'd not come back on this the but they are, they're back like a bad cold. so what's the, what's going on here because what the thing i find fascinating is, you know, this is, this is almost kind of like inside baseball, you know, who says they is, i mean, that's all the thing is, you know, it was good fodder for podcast, right? what are the russians interested in? is it all, george? it is very hard to know. i think it's at this stage i, i do think russian will try to work with um the newly incumbent president. trump, to the greatest extent they can. i think they will have to, i don't think they can in any way, just reject whatever plan that he comes up with. i think that will have to pretend that they're interested in working something out of them. i think that was clearly indicated by the the news conference in the style. the boot is well very warmly

about the trunk and, and even suggest the trunk really knows how to uh, to solve the problem in the ukraine. but fundamentally, i don't think trump has anything very much to offer to rush trip. he's brought back um, brought in the general uh, keys catalog. so this 80 year old man who had been a very hawkish, pretty much from the start of this. uh, this apple. this m o says 2022. he's been complaining and complaining and complaining that the vitamin ministration wasn't doing enough. it wasn't providing enough homes to, to uh, to ukraine. and it's not giving them enough to when this will now change this to some what um during the past 12 months in which you somehow started quibbling. well that maybe this isn't such a great idea. and then um, the few months ago,

he pinned an article with the fred flights, which was in many ways confusing because it's a most of the, something for everyone in this article. but there is at least some of the outlines that a, what could be a, a, a, a trump piece plan which is freeze the conflict in a place. and then everybody to, to the negotiating table. and we keep pouring in on the, on your own bringing. i buy the millions uh yeah, totally into the ukraine. um and i believe as well the reason of the will of stuff and basically the solve it up again and solve the problem. that plan is that's not ending the war. okay. the space and the possibilities for a certain period of time steam. uh huh. i'll throw the question to you. i mean,

you know, really all the bits and pieces that george has mentioned and it's, it's right through the media right now. so why with the russians even react to that? i mean they want a solution to this crisis. they want security actually ukraine. one security actually everybody wants security but that's, that's or trajectory in which the so called talks are going toward fema to. well, he's a coward, he is a real. no. no hope. russians have been mostly dealing with the liberal now until recently. now, here is the phone lines from the depths american community machine coating and, and that is just uh, no absolute. the more robust your right is that right? he's on the wall by, on the beach sports, just as that i quote, a bomb. i was never a friend to lose it. bought

a bomb with the end of the last iran. oh, this is a chest buell. why it's simply, i'm pro, you know, because i'm a threat the, it's not even good political poetry, okay? knowing, you know, you wouldn't, if you live and stuff to do it in a way that will not be, don't let yourself before. you know that because that the political mindset about the here's the suggestion of the store. i say it is very compass. i mean, like, we suggest that you see the table interest of 5 pm and basically, and if you make those sections, feel great. if you don't make concessions, we expect, we'll just leave the table that she's calling from 11 that so basically he is a very impatient immediately if she wants to be mediate that mediate across the page. that that's the 1st thing required for me. so this is not me to age and uh,

i don't expect the anything particularly good to come from. however we keep for coping. that's why we just did not in south prompt, but the in general tries to kind of went, they, uh, some kind of uh, uh, belie through nation. so that's why you said the, these things to do the, during the speech enough. well, he said the same thing. symbolic. george bush, the don't. yeah, it didn't mean that bratia somehow viewed the george bush, they joined us around. uh, we just uh, you know, we tried to use every opportunity to, to the point you was, you know, uh, ukraine was an exception. uh, because, uh, diploma. she just didn't walk that. you said ukraine what i'd seek you appropriately there. yeah. but you know, your brains, ukraine, people want sure you bought them that doesn't want that. she just mentioned the

operative word here. and george is diplomacy and diplomacy. all. mostly it tends to look for a political solution. the characters that are around trump, they haven't been confirmed yet. okay. but they tend to still think there's some kind of military solution. then that's the danger here. okay. the russians want a security solution. so, you know, given this mix, you know, it's going to have to be a very wet, well calibrated balance of all of those things to move forward. too many of these characters are in one category or the other, but none of them in diplomacy right now. go ahead. no, i, i think that's right. i mean, most of the people around him including keys, kellogg are absolutely folks when he comes to russia. they see russia as an enemy, and they obviously still believe the ukraine or syria or whatever are useful

weapons in order to weaken russia. and so that's why they will, you know, live no, none of them has in any way criticized, buying for what has happened in syria. but is there is a very good uh, illustration of the asked him that you really don't want to leave almost finished business. and i think that's really been the weakest scenario, a sense of, of those unfinished business. and as long as there is unfinished business, then the welcome start. stop again in 234 or 5 years time. and i think this will be the lesson to the russians that well, book, i mean, it basically, it wasn't finished. you know, there was a believe that was the american presence. that was his route. it was going to stop a game and sing in ukraine, sped mince minutes was basically an unfinished business, and it was inevitable that what's stopped up again. so therefore this proposal that the catalog is put forward and then others the portfolio somewhere. well,

let's freeze it in place. so we'll put the whole nato membership on hold for the time big. but in the meantime, we're just going to pull in the bucket loads of, uh, image shows the charge. that's what they did. but that's what you did from 2014 to 2022. that's exactly how i get these, that the answer. keep doing it and well, the bus, the pile here will the piano, but as they did as well, let, let's, let's, let's start it up again in 56 the assignment. and that's what they calculated, you know, and he's not going to be there forever. but then, well, you know, whoever is the next man and we can just start it up again. and it's clear, it's clear as you know, just you look at these plans where, you know, i live in all those of that nature. but that just a way of what, let's put things on hold for the time being will strengthen outside and then we're going to start it up again. exactly as what this happened in syria. yeah, you know, the team is gonna be because of the nature of the information infrastructure in the

world, which is always very biased and mostly controlled by the west. point of reference is always trumps peace plan. but the russians have had plans out their proposals out there from day one, because they've never seriously looked at. but the russians have to our demand it and they look at, you know, it comes to new york by some, these area. i don't think he knows very much about he a crane and you can always say he needs to delegate a bully. did this catalog die and other useful idiots of uh, of uh, the form policy blog. but the russian one is a good point of departure. but there's a denial, but that is a point where everyone can start and, and there's always the problem. what is the, when the skis roll in this, he is no longer the legal president of ukraine. you know, when they, there's a lot of fundamental problems that haven't been addressed addressed, or even if they wanted to take up the russian plan, go ahead and email. well,

it depends on what you consider to be piece. and once you're considered to be honest in your business, you know, uh for the west on speed just business is when the man they want to remove is still involved. you know, uh they want to remove, uh, also you know, for them to you as well. uh, if i can stop in syria, that's what i'm seeing is be because they will not stall until they move to. right . and this is all very and democratic. i mean, we'll get the elections everywhere in the world. somehow the democratic west was supports by can you, you know, and these are the 1000 when they immediately changed the result. you know, uh, it's like a computer game, you know? yeah, yeah. you know what they do? he's there on the bottom. you hit the wrong button, indulgence you keep the wrong button in, remain yes. be aware, you know,

the ones that have programs the demo rapidly running out of time. but george, i mean, it is kind of that i'm glad team and brought it up as a little off topic, but the, the, the, the george and president says she's not going to leave office. i mean, again, we are the democratic nor stuff. ok. ok. it's the people voted the wrong way, so i'm going to stay in the meantime and if it's a bonnet in the west, go ahead. george the george and president just so somebody announced i'm staying on uh, you know, even though mike mike to, um it has expired. but like a saying, no, the 12 is going to do that. and then it goes in, i'm in romania weatherbug went the other way. um, last week, the uh, the, the romanian supreme court i think is a scheduled the rule at any moment essentially to an all the election. i mean like when, when, when you're at one, 0, it's gone the wrong way. basically we're going to another gentleman, a gentleman, we haven't solve the ukraine problem, but the west has its own problems with and some thought to democracy as all the

time we have what i think, my guess in budapest and in moscow. and of course, when i think of yours for watching us here at ortiz, the next time, remember across the, across, the, [000:00:00;00] the, if you think about russia, what does your mind picture the bottom landscapes open up before your lines? the last one,

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