representing 45 percent of the global population. so to 5 percent of its t t p 44 percent of his crude oil together based decided that dealing in national cars. he's well that's not a bad idea. trump's was what pushed them of course, but they do betray another of this fact. the don't isn't the parent see, it's a what, but just today today, brazil within our hemisphere, largest country in the western hemisphere, south of us kind of trade deal with china. they're going to from now on, do trade in their own currencies, get right around the dollar. they're creating a secondary economy in the world, totally independent of the united states. we won't have to talk about sanctions in 5 years because they'll be so many countries transacting and currencies other than the dollar, that we won't have the ability to sanction them. rubio is trump specs the secretary of state by the way, so i think you get the picture. that might be a new boss in the open office, but it turns out he's the same as the old one. because old habits. wow. old habits

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the welcome across the bull horns, where all things are considered on peter. although, if you use a relative piece, why has the level of fund to been reactivated? is a surgery is turn again, also is a trump piece plan for the ukranian conflict farming up? it would seem so are the russians even interested at this point? to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess door to samuel in budapest. he's a pod cast with a goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet bobby . he is deputy for the editor, uncomfortable sky, a problem, the daily reginald inc. crosstalk roles and effective means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. but i was going to start this up with george in budapest. well, the, the level front has been reactivated, as i said in my introduction, this is like days of who all over again,

2016. what's going on here? george? you mean a ceasefire or what they call a cease fire in lebanon is established. and now we have a really quite impressive, a strike against the syrian forces and considering how much effort, blood and treasure um damascus used to regain a level looks like. and i don't even when it's hard to tell if it's under threat isn't occupied. i mean, there's so many different reports out there at this point. i don't even know how to describe it, but um, this is massive. damascus is on the backboard and we all have a pretty good idea of who's behind this george. in the visa, we have a pretty good idea because it's the same cost of characters. uh that was behind the on the floor of the game, syria, back in 202011. through to the 2016. when it without question. this is a,

is shopping development and it's clear that the israel is in the business of dealing with all of them is adverse. there is an at one of the same time. and i think the serious vulnerability, i think, and most because of what is right to have done 11 i'm a to has ball up, i think as well as been a key play up in uh in, in the fight for survival of the bush or another side um and uh, and his most obviously very weak and i mean these real as d tap as a, the, it's leadership. it's clearly in, in disarray. so we won't be able to provide the kind of assistance that he had would go over all these years. iran is also much weekend so it also is unable to provide to the assistance. and um, and of course we have um, they're the one who is always coveted. uh, syria 0 here. hit pretended deviously as this is won't that,

that he is somehow he is in the business of seeking reconciliation with the thoughts i got into something new and that you know, if it's not, there is rain. he had problem is good relations with syria. it was good friends with a bunch of us that but he sees this opportunity to mount this also, i think is very serious because i think the, the force that has, that had ensure the survival of the government in damascus. back in 20152016. i think on now much weekend or preoccupied elsewhere. so i, you know, rather the pessimistic. i think the, the outlook is not good for a bus or a lot that you know team. and it's really quite interesting to me that a lot of the think tank are, is in washington in london. and looking at the conflict and ukraine. been warning that the russians might take open up other friends around the world. yeah. man, sorry, no, no,

it's just the office. this is an opportunity for the outgoing administration to me . mix up the works even more so this obviously there's a lot of scores to be settled because of the dirty proxy war of 2011 to 2016 georgia's got that. absolutely right. but there's always the element of an anti, uh, anti russian element to the is coming from the west. and israel is willing to play along if it suits its goal. so this is just as much against moscow is as it is against damascus. oh wow. i, i'm just bound by the american. uh, which we hear from washington, that's from europe. okay. uh, what kind of restart. this is a huge misfortune. people are dying. millions of people see what you think you are now. and what's the merrick you're from the west. it's not a natural sarah, it's cold to waste. you know, also it's hours a week and now is the moment. uh and no one is actually

a is actually explain what these h t s stands for is. uh, can i talk to the, our show, which it is. uh, it's iris organizes a stop shop means syria, dr year is uh, you know, the same as the all that there is. but when i say he, he's worked out for you, you know, which is pretty heated. the i think of the united states by the way. so it's, it's amazing. we have, i'd be least very strange. i'm phoning, i lots west from forest and these grow and why themselves to you from just trying to pull the boat said go arrow blue sheets. this is really strange because that's the was that use room now or do you know we are staying? you know, they gains the east from is crap. we are protecting old people well protected west and she was a c o. com. you're not protecting west and she was evening syria call call you'll. you'll basically provide services, you know, it was on that, the israel provide the medical service to leave some groups. well,

actually it brings to my mind, they're very, very interesting parallel. i will say a friday or no, no, the state department, recent miss said that the grade was a ball work all on the west of the world against the russian. what was that was the american role before the war? either way, just any of the 3rd? yes. the west talked about form as a baltimore against the uh, is the bolshevik and uh, she was durham and he was seen as somehow like, well, sometimes again as a ball work against the soviet pressure. i don't want to, i do are start as russia, but kendra was certainly much worse. and here's what crap them keep attempt. uh, the west. what you have that for us. so the ball was turned against uh, its main, allied in the same way. all these information organizations,

no one has disputed the fact that this is the same person, the delivery address, had dropped off on me. so i, you know, handle that the shop is the same as the crowd almost at least declared himself as to create a successful. okay, the so you said pretty the idea of what? yes, the demon no charge in beam is absolutely right. i mean, this is 31 flavors of islamic terrorism as far as i'm concerned. i mean, you can change the uniforms, you can change the name, it's the same group of people committing the same atrocities. i'm not going to repeat it on this program, but some of the things that i've come across in the last few hours. it's the same. people with the same i, b, b as a cool behavior. and they're, and i guess they're freedom fighters and all of this because it's against the solid because it's against being wrong because it's against, as below there's, it, there's, they're not talking about their values right now. are they george, go ahead. no, there's no vises to consult, and you're absolutely right. then because this was we've,

we pointed this out so many times during the a height of the war in, uh, syria that hey, whatever happened to this global war on terror was supposed to be fighting against this is like fundamentalism is dangerous. um, his mom is by etiology, and yet the global war on sarah continued to target the regimes that were themselves fighting against uh, as long as terrorism. so who was in the cross as well? so now i was saying by showing us a moment good. that's a well, that's very strange and, and of course a throughout it all is russia and iran generalists all the money. so as all of the people who are, you know, i'm being targeted attack sanctions assassinated by the west arrest. exciting games is not a fundamental is the one who's fighting on our side. well, wow, these on a fundamental list. and so we've got the same thing here. we have um the veto,

the israel, which has continued to bone syria, is where it is still bombing, serious even as this offensive is being, mounts that this the doing and then cause israel has played a major role in weakening the army simply because i gave them the media adult in gleefully about how old the serial army is doing very poorly is being bombed, non stop day of the day of the day by israel through how's the through bullies use offensively. because those thing is somehow, is a, posing some sort of a, an agent of iraq. and of course this had an effect. and what's the oldest and most, i guess that's throughout these years the united states has maintained the most bronco vicious for risk sanctions. i mean, serious as not being able to as soon as century, just put anybody. so back on it's feet off the uh, the, the, the more or less the end of the war. we're in 2016 because the in the united states

only european union really and ratcheted up the, the sanctions. the point way is, syria is unable to have access to its own oil resources. is, are they able to have access to its own um, agriculture and then the width is sort of believe from the old as the syrians is doing very poorly. well, let's see what happens when you do. we apply this kind of pressure bombing from, uh, syria, turkey maintaining and strengthening this terror is based in english. and then you turn around and say, well, why don't? well, that's surprising going on why, why is this area doing better than it is? well, this is what happens here is a weak vulnerable country. and if you do that, the serious, then this is, will be the result. and if it was the last few days or any indication of this, the demon right now, is this, then the, the, there was no end to the proxy, more vicious been re ignited. it's a because it's the same cost of like, you know, team of the,

the one character. and then we will that we all love to talk about because he's such a fascinating characters. everyone. i mean her to one. all these over to are is a rebuilding relations with the, with damascus. but once he sees an opportunity, and maybe this is a, a link to the incoming trump administration to get on that name. have the good graces of the war hawks that trump has. but i'm going to bring on board, you know, he's showing his credentials that he's anti ran, he's anti syria. i, you know that there are many reasons why he may be doing what he is. but he also obviously saw an opportunity and he's a read himself with forces that he is openly been against, or been rhetorically against um, particularly since october 7. so with, and this is not going to do any good for us. oh, and the rest and turkish relations whatsoever, demo as well we will see, you know, president will jim as get a boat to deal with. i have to go for

a very simple reason. all the, all the necessary with your, i mean to the last is opened it for style. so i don't know gone, you know, a drag or recess. he's dangerous, as you use this to your desk or style down the west about the that means that has to be but these are s o b is something like that. absolutely, absolutely. but the problem is that, um uh, basically with have the same kind of advance we beacon so i mean, remember 911. uh, when committed this crime, it must be wrong. it must be a southern push say, oh it was, i found a been a lot of the the the right agent though is your agent for your a jump in of good stuff has. and then these people say, oh conspiracy theories, when they say that the light that space to raise the its own aimless, you know, the terrorists at, oh, cd is,

they're all america for my american ages. it's the opinion they have to tell me. we're going to vibrate, but a persons in the middle east continued to be killed. that's not reported in the west. and i'm going to jump in here gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some of them and stay with our close. the the, the bulk of the wall claimed and ruined the lines of tens of thousands. but it was the hague tribunal, with delta of finishing flow to this less unexpected. i know it was that i will talk to you and what all of that will cause up the carrier. i mean them was that

the rest of your stuff or some of the funded 13 asthma them i guess i need. okay. i will need you to send me who blocked the studio because of the thing and he took a soul tie it up table a couch and built around what sort of on team so so this would be evictions or for something to bed jane stuff aside from this your boss, they have to go, they need to discuss as i said this, so now click on nice to promo that it probably also i noticed was that some of the the well domestic prospect bullet points were all things are considered on peter lavelle. and george, you and i've talked incessantly over the last few months, and particularly since the election of donald trump is famous, i will

a 124 hours even before i'm involved, you're in it. okay. and that's the kind of the mantra here. well, then there's some indications of something is going on. okay, a ceasefire. maybe there's some kind of soft partition, a soft nato entry. lots of strange things coming from strangers. characters that we had home with not come back home is the but they are, they're back like a bad cold. so what's the, what's going on here? because what the thing i find fascinating is, you know, this is, this is almost kind of like inside baseball. you know, who says they is, i mean that's all the thing is, you know, it was good fodder for podcast. right. what are the russians interested in? is it all george? well, it's very hard to know. i think it's at this stage i, i do thing russian will try to work with um, the newly incumbent president. trump, to the greatest extent they can, i think they will have to,

i don't think they can in any way just to reject whatever plan that he comes up with. i think that will have to pretend that they're interested in working something out of them. i think that was clearly indicated by the the news conference in a style. the boots were very warmly about the trunk and, and even suggesting your trunk really knows how to uh, to solve the problem in the ukraine. but fundamentally, i don't think trump has anything very much to offer to rush trip. he's brought back um, brought in the general uh, keys catalog. and so this is a 2 year old man who had been a very hawkish, pretty much from the start of this. the simple this m. o. since 2022. he's been complaining and complaining and complaining that the, by him ministration wasn't doing it off. it wasn't providing enough homes to, to uh,

to ukraine. and it's not giving them enough to when this will now change this to somewhat during the past 12 months in which he somehow started quibbling. well that maybe this isn't such a great idea. and then be a few months ago, he penned an article with the fred flights, which was in many ways confusing because it's a most of the, something for everyone in this article. but there is at least some of the outlines that a, what could be a, uh, a trump piece plan which is freeze the conflict um, in a place to get everybody into uh, the negotiating table. and we keep pouring in arms on your own, bringing i'd by the millions of tommy's into, uh, ukraine. um and i believe as well,

the reason of the will of stop and basically the we can solve it up again and solve the problem. that plan is that's not ending the more. okay. the space and the possibilities for a certain period of time steam. uh huh. i'll throw the question to you. i mean, you know, all the bits and pieces that george has mentioned and it's, it's right through the media right now. so, why with the russians even react to that? i mean, they want a solution to this crisis. they want security actually ukraine. one security actually everybody wants security but that's, that's or project 3 in which these so called talks are going toward fema to uh well, uh, this uh account. what is the real now? the whole russians have been mostly dealing with a liberal now, until recently. now, here is the phone lines from the depths,

or american miniature machine coating m m, the it is just, uh no, uh, absolute, the moral butcher. right? so right. he's on the wall by on the beach sports just says that i quote, a bomb. i was never a friend to lose it. bought a bomb with the end of the last iran. oh, this is a chest buell like it simply i'm pro, you know, because of a bomb, a threat the, it's not even good political poetry. okay. knowing, you know, you wasn't a few lines of to do it in a way that will not be, don't let yourself before. you know that this isn't that bad, but political mindset about the here's the suggestion of the story is very compass . i mean, like, we suggest that you see the people that just stop by them and basically that to make those sessions be great. if you don't make concessions, we expect,

we'll just leave the table that she's calling from the one on that. so basically he is a very impatient immediate if she wants to be mediate that oh, mediate, across the page that that's the 1st thing required for me. so this is not mediate, and i don't expect the anything particularly good to come from. however, we keep for coping, that's why we just did not in south prompt, but the in general tries to kind of maintain some kind of, uh, uh, the lights relationship its you, that's why you said the, these things to do the, during the speech enough. well, he said the same thing. symbolic. george bush, the julia, it didn't mean that brasher somehow viewed the george bush. they joined us around. uh, we just uh, you know, we tried to use every opportunity to do the one point due was, you know, uh, ukraine was an exception. uh, because, uh,

diploma. she just didn't walk that. you said ukraine would seek you appropriately. yeah. but you don't, your brains, ukraine, people once you storage it by the want that, as you just mentioned, the operative word here. and george is diplomacy and diplomacy. all. mostly it tends to look for a political solution. the characters that are around trump, they haven't been confirmed yet. okay. but they tend to still think there's some kind of military solution. then that's the danger here. okay. the russians won a security solution. so, you know, given this mix, you know, it's, it's gonna have to be a very wet, well calibrated balance of all of those things to move forward. too many of these characters are in one category or the other, but none of them in diplomacy right now. go ahead. no, i, i think that's right. i mean, most of the people around him including keith kellogg,

are absolutely folks when he comes to russia, they see russia as an enemy. and they obviously still believe the ukraine or syria or whatever are useful weapons in order to weaken russia. and so that's why they will, you know, live now none of them has in any way criticized, buying for what has happened in syria. but is there is a very good uh, illustration of the asked him that you really don't want to leave unfinished business. and i think that's really been the weakest scenario, essentially those unfinished business. and as long as there's unfinished business, then the welcome start. stop again in 234 or 5 years time. and i think this will be the lesson to the russians that well, book, i mean, and basically it wasn't finished. you know, there was a blip. that was the american presence. that was his route. it was going to stop

a game and sing in ukraine, 10 minutes minutes was basically an unfinished business, and it was inevitable that what's stopped up again. so therefore this proposal that the catalog is put forward and others put forward somewhere. but let's freeze it in place. so we'll put the whole nato membership on hold for the time big. but in the meantime, we're just going to pull in the bucket loads of, uh, image shows the george, that's what they did. but that's what you did from 2014 to 2022. that's exactly. i get things that the answer keep doing it and well, the bus, the pile here, well, the piano as they did as well. but let's, let's, let's start it up again in 56 the assignment. and that's what they calculated, you know, and he's not going to be there forever. but then, well, you know, whoever has the next man and we can just start it up again. and it's clear, it's clear as you know, just look at these plans where, you know,

i live in all those of that nature. but they're just a way of what, let's put things on, hold for the time being will strengthen them outside. and then we're going to start it up again, exactly as what this happened in syria. yeah, you know too many of the, because of the nature of the information infrastructure in the world, which is always very biased and mostly controlled by the west. point of reference is always trumps peace plan. but the russians have had plans out their proposals out there from day one. they've never, seriously looked at, but the russians have to are demanded that they look at, you know, it comes to new york by some these area. i don't think he knows very much about new crane. and you can always say he needs to delegate a bully. did this catalog die and other useful idiots of uh, of uh, the other foreign policy blog. but the russian one is a good point of departure. but there is a denial that there is a point where everyone can start and,

and there's always the problem. what is the when skis roll and this he is no longer the legal president of ukraine? you know, when they, there's a lot of fundamental problems that haven't been addressed addressed, or even if they wanted to take up the russian plan, go ahead email. well, it depends on what you consider to be peace and why don't you consider to be honest in your business. you know, uh for the west on speakers business is when the man they want to remove is still involved. you know, uh they want it to remove. uh, also, you know, tell them, uh you as well, uh, if i can stop you syria. that's what i'm seeing is be because they will not stop until they remove you. right? and this is all very and democratic. i mean, we'll get the elections everywhere in the world. somehow the democratic west was supports by can you, you know, and leave that to do the best when they immediately change the result. you know,

uh it's, it's like a computer game, you know? yeah, yeah. you know, home and then you hit the wrong button, you hit the wrong button in georgia, you hit the wrong button and remain yes. be aware, you know, i don't want to have program see the demo rapidly running out of time. but george, i mean, it is kind of that i'm glad team of brought it up as a little off topic, but the, the name of george and president says he's not going to leave office. i mean, again where it's a democratic nor stuff. ok. ok, i guess it's the people voted the wrong way, so i'm going to stay in the meantime. and if it's a bond in the west, go ahead. george the george and president just so somebody announced i'm staying on uh you know, even though mike mike to um it has expired but like a saying no, the 12 is going to do that. and then it goes in in romania. weatherbug went the other way. um, last weeks the uh, the, the remaining supreme court i think is

a scheduled to roll at any moment, essentially to an all the election. i mean, like when, when, when you're, when i'm like, oh, it's gone the wrong way. basically we're going to have all the gentleman a gentleman, we haven't solve the ukraine problem, but the west has its own problems with it. some thought to democracy as all the time we have what i think, my guess in budapest and in moscow. and of course, when i think of yours for watching us here at ortiz, the next time, remember across the, across, the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. pictures designed to simplify it will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented to this,

but can you see through their illusion going underground can the, in the headlines are one off the international with a stroke of pet joe biden, part of his scandal riddled son to 100, was off the hook for a decade of people including us. 2 of corruption navigations that ukraine 1st finally settled rate in the mid the period on a striking back against terrorist forces in the province baptized. at ron figured as full support to damascus fights against the continuing to see unreal pictures of the crow. edu protested,