so my oldest trump will select that and get rid of that. i hope so. it's not going to help. he's going to be very careful who is around himself with cuz he made a few mistakes and as far as administrative olson. yeah. both. oh my god. yeah, and mustache, but yeah, yeah, yeah. but meantime the meantime. yeah. my goodness me, it's all coming up in the next few weeks. people are nervous about the next few weeks. sorry. we will going to keep our heads on straight. and i hope there's some of the biggest hotspots around the world right now. they're all being fueled by this out. going by the administration. we hope cool. a heads will prevail, tara stick around. we bought so much more to talk about because we will of what front row seats to some of the biggest changes in the world are all to contribute. atara read. thank you. thanks for joining us here for this program live for almost at 5 30 pm. exactly. here in the russian capital, we all the extra the the

welcome across the bull horns, where all things are considered non peter, although if you use of relative peace, why has the level of fund to been reactivated? is that it certainly is turn again, also is a trump piece plan for the ukranian conflict farming up it would seem, so are the russians even interested at this point? to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess door to samuel in budapest. he's a pod cast or with a gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet 3 bobbies. he is deputy for the editor, uncomfortable sky, a problem, the daily original link crosstalk roles and effective means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. it's good to start to start with george in budapest. well, the, the level front has been reactivated,

as i said in my introduction, this is like days of who all over again, 2016. what's going on here? georgia mean a ceasefire or what they call a cease fire in lebanon is established in the now we have a really quite impressive, a strike against the syrian forces and considering how much effort, blood and treasure um, damascus used to regain a level looks like. and i don't even we, it's hard to tell if it's under threat isn't occupied. i mean there's so many different reports out there at this point. i don't even know how to describe it, but um, this is massive. damascus is on the backboard and we all have a pretty good idea of who's behind this george in the theater. we have a pretty good idea because it's the same cost of directors that was behind the, on the floor of the game, syria back in 202011. through to the 2016. when without question, this was a,

is shocking, develop and. and it's clear that the israel is in the business of dealing with all of them is adverse. there is an at one of the same time. and i think the serious vulnerability, i think most because of what does what to have done. 11, i'm to his ball up, i think as well as been a key play up in uh in, in the fight for survival of the brochure. and i'm a son and, and his mother is obviously very weak and i mean these real as decapitate the, it's a leadership, it's clearly in, in disarray. so we won't be able to provide the kind of assistance that he has with over all these years. iran is also much weekend so it also is unable to provide to the assistance. and um, of course we have um, they're the one who is always coveted. uh,

syria 0 here. hit pretended deviously as this. these won't do that to you somehow is in the business of seeking reconciliation with the thoughts i got into something new in that you know, it's not, there is the rain. he had problem is good relations with syria. it was good friends with a bunch of us that but he sees this opportunity to mount this also, i think is very serious because i think the, the forces that had ensure the survival of the government in damascus. back in 20152016 i think are now much weekend or preoccupied elsewhere. so i, you know, rather pessimistic. i think the, the outlook is not good for a bus or i thought, you know, team, and it's really quite interesting to me that a lot of the think tank or is in washington in london. um, um and looking at uh, the conflict and ukraine been warning that the russians might take open up other friends around the world. yeah. and then say we're a no, no,

it's just the office. this is an opportunity for the outgoing administration to me . mix up the works even more so this obviously there's a lot of scores to be settled because of the dirty proxy war of 2011 to 2016 georgia's got that. absolutely right. but there's always the element of an anti, uh, anti russian element of is coming from the west. and israel is willing to play along if it suits its goal. so this is just as much against moscow is as it is against damascus. oh wow i, i'm just bound by the american. uh, we hear from washington, that's from europe. okay, uh, what kind of restart. this is a huge misfortune. people are dying. millions of people see what you think you're now. and what's the narrative from the west? it's not a matter tool, sarah, it's called to waste. you know, also it's hours a week and now is the moment. uh and no one who is actually

a is actually explaining what these h t s stands for is. uh, i see our show, which it is. uh, it's iris, oregon. i use the stock shop means that syria property or is uh, you know, the same as the all that there is. but when i say he, he's worked out for you, you know, which is great, even though i think of the night, the stage by the way. so it's, it's amazing. we have a da, these very strange, i'm phoning, i lots west from forest and these grow and why themselves to be so i'm just trying to pull bolt. ah said go arrow boozy. this is really strange because that's was the israel's now or do you know we are staying, you know? and i gaze the east from is crabs. we are protecting our people in well protected west. and she was a all calm y'all up to deputy and west and she was evening syria call call you'll, you'll basically provide services. you know,

it was one that the israel provide the medical service to based on his groups. well, actually it brings to my mind a very, very interesting parallels a, i will say a friday or no. you know, the state department recently said that the grade was a ball work all over the west of the world against the russian. well, that was the american row before the war. either way, just any of the 3rd? yes. the west talked about for him as a baltimore against the, against the wall she was and she was durham, and he was seen as somehow like, well, sometimes again, it's a ball work against. uh, uh, so refresh it. i don't want to, i do, i start as russia, but kendra was certainly much worse. and here's what crap them keep attempt. uh, the west. what you have that brush. so the ball was turned against. uh its main, oh, what is the same way?

oh, these is almost broken. i say, no one is disputed. the fact that this is the same person to temporarily brush had dropped off on me. so i, you know, handle that the shop is the same as the crowd almost at least declared himself a secret successor. ok the so these are pretty the idea. yes, no charge and name is absolutely right. i mean, this is 31 flavors of islamic terrorism as far as i'm concerned. i mean, you can change the uniforms, you can change the name, it's the same group of people committing the same atrocities. i'm not going to repeat it on this program, but some of the things that i've come across in the last few hours. it's the same. people with the same i, d, b as a cool behavior, and there, and i guess their freedom fighters and all of this because since against the solid, because it's against being run because it's against, as blog. there's a, there's, they're not talking about their values right now. are they george? go ahead. no, there's no virus to consult. and you're absolutely right. then because this was we,

we pointed this out so many times during the a height of the war in, uh, syria that hey, whatever happened to this global war on terror who was supposed to be fighting against this. islamic fundamentalism is dangerous. um, his mom is by etiology. and yet the global war on tara continued to target the regimes that were themselves fighting against uh, as long as terrorism. so who was in the cross as well? so now i was saying by showing us a moment good off a. well, that's very strange and the end of goes to throughout it all is russia and iran generalists all the money. so as all of the people who, you know, who i'm being target that attack sanction assassinated by the west rest, exciting games is not a fundamental is the one who's fighting on our side. well, wow, these are the fund dementia list. and so we've got the same thing here. we have um

the video, the israel, which has continued to bounce, there is where it is still bombing syria, even as this offensive is being. mounts that this a doing it then because israel has played a major role in weakening the army area because i gave them the media adult and gleefully about how old the serial army is doing. very poorly is being bombed, non stop day off the day of the day by israel through house series through bullies use offensively because those thing is somehow, is a, posing some sort of a, an agent of the wrong. and of course, this had an effect. and what's the oldest and most i guess that's throughout these years the united states has maintained the most brutal, vicious, for risk sanctions. i mean, serious as not being able to, as soon as you assess, you just put anybody. so back with these fees off the, uh, the, and the, the more or less the end of the what were in 2016 because the,

the united states and the european union really and ratcheted up the, the sanctions to the point way is, syria is unable to have access to its own oil resources is, are they able to have access to its own um, agriculture and then the width is sort of believe it was the syrians is doing very poorly. well this is what happens when you do. we apply this kind of pressure bombing from, uh, syria, turkey maintaining and strengthening this terror is based in english. and then you turn around and say, well, why don't? well, that's surprising going on why, why is this area doing better than it is? well, this is what happens here is a weak vulnerable country. and if you do that, the serious, then this is, will be the result. and if it was the last few days or any indication of this, the demon right now, is this, then the, the, there was no end to the proxy, more vicious been re ignited. it's a because it's the same cost of like, you know,

team of the, the one character. and then we will then we all love to talk about because he's such a fascinating characters. everyone. i mean her to one all these over to or is a rebuilding and relations with the, with damascus. but once he sees an opportunity, and maybe this is a, a link to the incoming trump administration to get on that name. have the good graces of the war hawks that trump has, but going to bring on board, you know, he's showing his credentials that he's anti ran, he's entice area. you know, there's been a many reasons why he may be doing what he is, but he also obviously saw an opportunity and he's a rein himself with forces, but he is openly been against or been rhetorically against um, particularly since october 7. so with, and this is not going to do any good for us and the rest and turkish relations whatsoever demo as well we will see, you know, president will jim, as get

a boat to deal with. i have to go for a very simple reason. all the, all the necessary with your, i mean to the last is open it for style. so i don't know gone, you know, a drag or recess. he's dangerous, as you use this to your desk or style down the west about the needs that has to be, but these are s o b is something like that. absolutely, absolutely. but the problem is that, um, uh, basically with have the same 5 ton of advance. we beacon so i mean, remember 911 who committed this crime. it must be wrong. it must be a sample say, no, because i found a been a lot of you guys, probably a lot of them are the right agent. so she is your agent for your a jump in of good stuff. and then these people say, well, conspiracy theories when they say that the light, the space to raise the its own aimless, you know, the terrorists that, oh boy, cbs,

they're all american for my american ages. as the have to tell me, we're going to vibrate, but a questions in the middle east continued to be killed. that's not reported in the west, and i'm going to jump in here gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some of them and stay with our cool the show. they just don't have to shape house because the after and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground the

the well domestic prospect boulevard is where all things are considered on peter lavelle, george and you and i've talked incessantly over the last few months. and particularly since the election of donald trump is famous, i will end in 24 hours even before i'm inaugurated. okay, and that's the kind of the matter here. well, then there's some indications of something is going on ok. ceasefire. maybe there's some kind of soft partition, a soft nato entry, lots of strange things coming from strangers characters that we had hoped we'd not come back on the scene, but they are, they're back like a bad cold. so what's the, what's going on here? because with this thing, i find fascinating is, you know, this is, this is for almost kind of like inside baseball, you know,

who says they is, i mean, that's all the thing is, you know, it was good fodder for podcast, right. are the russians interested in? is it all george a it's very hard to know. i think it's at this stage i, i do thing russian will try to work with um, the newly incumbent president. trump, to the greatest extent they can, i think they will have to. i don't think they can in any way just to reject whatever plan that he comes up with. i think that will have to pretend that they're interested in working something out of them. i think that was clearly indicates that by the, the news conference in a style, the boot is well very warmly about the trunk and, and even suggesting get trunk really knows how to uh, to solve the problem in the ukraine. but fundamentally, i don't think trump has anything very much to offer to rush trip. he's brought back

um, brought in the general uh, keys catalog. so this 80 year old man who had been a very hawkish, pretty much from the start of this. the simple, this m. o says 2022. he's been complaining and complaining and complaining the buying them. ministration wasn't doing enough. it wasn't providing enough homes to, to uh, to ukraine that it's not giving them enough to win. this will now be change this to somewhat during the past 12 months in which he somehow started quibbling. well that maybe this isn't such a great idea. and then be a few months ago, he penned an article with the fred flights, which was in many ways confusing because it's a most of the, something for everyone in this article. but there is at least some of the outlines that a what could be a, uh, a trunk piece plan which is freeze the conflict um, in

a place to get everybody to, to uh, the negotiating table. and we keep pouring in arms on your own bringing. i'd by the millions of tommy's into, uh, ukraine. um and i believe as well, please know, the will of stop and basically the solid and up again stop the war is awesome. that plan is that's not ending the war. okay. the space and the possibilities for a certain period of time steam i'll throw the question to you. i mean, you know, all the bits and pieces that george has mentioned, and this is right through the media right now. so why with the russians even react to that? i mean they want a solution to this crisis. they want security. actually ukraine. one security actually everybody wants security,

but that smells are project 3 in which these so called talks are going toward fema to uh well, uh this uh account what is uh, the real now the whole russians have been mostly dealing with that liberal now until recently now here is the sound long from the depths american community machine coating m m. that is just, uh, you know, uh, absolute, the moral bookstore. right. so, right. he's on the wall by, on the beach sports. it says that i quote, a bomb. i was never a friend to lose it. bought a bomb with the last iran. oh, this is a chest buell lie. it's simply on to, you know, some people call that a bomb, a threat. the. it's not even good political poetry. okay. knowing, you know, you wasn't fuel lines stuff to do it in a way that will not be,

don't let yourself before. you know that this isn't that bad, but political mindset about the, here's the suggestion of the store. i say it is very compass. i mean, like, we suggest that you see the table that you stop by them and basically, and if you make those sessions, be great. if you don't make the sessions, we spent will just leave the table that she's calling from the one on that. so basically he is a very impatient immediately if she wants to be mediate that, oh, mediate us has to be page that, that's the 1st thing required for me. so this is not me to h and i don't expect anything particularly good to come from. however, we keep for coping, that's why we just did not in south prompt and in general, tries to kind of maintain some kind of, uh, uh, polite relationship. it seemed that's why you said the, these things to do the,

during the speech enough. well, he said the same thinks about george bush, the julia, it didn't mean that brasher somehow viewed the george bush. they joined us around. uh, we just uh, you know, we tried to use every opportunity to do the one point due was, you know, uh, ukraine was an exception. uh, because, uh, diploma. she just didn't walk that. you said ukraine would seek you appropriately. yeah. but you don't raise you paying people once shorter and you bought the man that he doesn't want that. she just mentioned the operative word here. and george is diplomacy and diplomacy. all. mostly it tends to look for a political solution. the characters that are around trump, they haven't been confirmed yet. okay. but they tend to still think there's some kind of military solution. then that's the danger here. okay. the russians want

a security solution. so, you know, given this mix, you know, it's, it's gonna have to be a very wet, well calibrated balance of all of those things to move forward. too many of these characters are in one category or the other, but none of them in diplomacy right now. go ahead. no, i, i think that's right. i mean, most of the people around him including keith kellogg, are absolutely folks when he comes to russia, they see russia as an enemy. and they obviously still believe the ukraine or syria or whatever are useful weapons in order to weaken russia. and so that's why they will, you know, live no, none of them as in any way criticized, buying for what has happened in syria. but is there is a very good uh, illustration of the asked him that you really don't want to leave almost finished business. and i think that's really been the weakest scenario,

a sense of those unfinished business. and as long as there is unfinished business, then the hall can start stop again in 234 or 5 years time. and i think this will be the lesson to the russians that well, book, i mean, and basically it wasn't finished. you know, there was a blip. that was the american presence. that was his route. it was going to stop a game and sing in ukraine, sped mince minutes was basically an unfinished business, and it was inevitable that what's stopped up again. so therefore this proposal that the catalog is put forward and then others put forward somewhere. but let's freeze it in place. so we'll put the whole nato membership on hold for the time big. but in the meantime, we're just going to pull in the bucket loads of, uh, image shows the charge. that's what they did. but that's what you did from 2014 to

2022. that's exactly. i get these that the answer. keep doing it, then. well, the bus, the pile here will the final because they did as well. let, let's, let's, let's start it up again in 56 the assignment. and that's what like calculating, you know, 10, he's not going to be there forever, but then, well, you know, whoever has the next man and we can just start it up again. and it's clear, it's clear as you know, just look at these plans, we're gonna end up in all those of that nature. but that just a way of what, let's put things on, hold for the time being will strengthen outside. and then we're going to start it up again, exactly as what this happened in syria. you know, to many of the, because of the nature of the information infrastructure in the world. which is always very biased and mostly controlled by the west. point of reference is always trumps peace plan. but the russians have had whatever plans out their proposals out there from day one. they've never seriously looked at. but the russians have to,

or demanded that they look at. you know, in terms of neil fights in these area, i don't think he knows very much about ukraine. and you can always say he needs to delegate a bully. did this catalog die and other useful idiots of uh, of, uh, the form policy blog. but the russian one is a good point of departure, but there is a denial that there is a point where everyone can start and, and there's always the problem. what is the when the skis roll in this, he is no longer the legal president of ukraine. you know, when they, there's a lot of fundamental problems that haven't been addressed, addressed here. even if they wanted to take up the russian plan, go ahead and email. well, it depends on what you consider to be piece. and once you're considered to be honest in your business, you know, uh for the west on features business is when the man they want to remove is still involved, you know, uh they want it to remove. uh also, you know, tell them,

uh you as well uh, if i can stop you syria. that's what we don't seem to be because they will not stop until they move to grades. and this is all very and democratic. i mean, we'll get the election said we went in default somehow the democratic west. oh supports function you know, and they've, they have to do the best way and they immediately change the result. you know, uh it's, it's like a computer game, you know? yeah, yeah. you know, whole and then you hit the wrong button, you hit the wrong button in georgia, you hit the wrong button and remain yes. be aware, you know, i don't want to have program see the demo rapidly running out of time. but george, i mean, it is kind of that i'm glad team and brought it up as a little off topic, but the, the name of the george and president says she's not going to leave office. i mean, again where it's a democratic norms stuff. ok. ok. i guess it's the people voted the wrong way, so i'm going to stay in the meantime. and if it's a bond in the west,

go ahead george aside, the georgia president just so somebody announced i'm staying on uh you know, even though mike mike to, um it has expired, but like a stain, the 12 is going to do that. and then it goes in and in romania weatherbug went the other way. um, last weeks the uh, the, the remaining supreme court thing is uh, a scheduled to roll at any moment. essentially to an all the election. i mean like when, when, when you're having to like, oh, it's gone the wrong way. basically we're going to have all the gentleman a gentleman. we haven't solve the ukraine problem, but the west has its own problems with and some thought to democracy as all the time we have what i think, my guess in budapest and in moscow. and of course, when i think of yours for watching us here at ortiz, the next time, remember across the, across, the

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