the and i was very clear and i said south, is there any possibility it's still and it's still a no, it will be a no, it, it is a no. and i don't have anything else at all. he pardoned this. i know we've been asked that question multiple times. our answer stands, which is now well, we spoke with a full pennsylvania state science or android risk models. he said, why those claims about suppose political persecution of his uh, actually complete nonsense. sometimes i feel like it's 1984 instead of 2024 because apparently in by the state. no, no, no means yes. it is just an outrageous. it's a terrible development for 2 reasons. one is obviously president fighting for a secretary. they've been lying to the american public for quite some time. you

have just played repeated instances where the president and his press secretary said that he was in the parking 100 button and when it did it. and i thought it was interesting, he referred to him as the big guy, which of course is how he was described in the emails that related to the payments that it was suggested that i provided or received in ukraine for which joe biden was receiving portion. but it's a terrible thing to do because of the false reasons. how is it possible the joe biden would say that this was some type of oracle prosecution when he controlled the white house. this was his attorney general model and darling, these were his prosecutors in absence. listen if he wanted to. fortunately, i find it don't lie. about three's while that wrote, some of this news was a pleasure to have your company here with us on all the international banks. so one thing we've got the,

[000:00:00;00] the welcome across the bull horns, were all things are considered non peter, although if you use a relative piece, why has the level fund to been reactivated? is there a surgery is turn again, also is a trump piece plan for the ukranian conflict? farming up? it would seem so are the russians even interested at this point? to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess door to samuel in budapest. he's a pod cast with a goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet 3

bobbies. he is deputy for an editor. it comes to most guy a problem, the daily original link. crosstalk rules and effective means you can jump any time you want and i was appreciate it. i was going to start this up with george in budapest. well, the, the level front has been reactivated, as i said in my introduction, this is like days of who all over again, 2016. what's going on here? george? you mean a ceasefire or what they call a cease fire in lebanon is established. and now we have a really quite impressive, a strike against the syrian forces and considering how much effort, blood and treasure um, damascus used to. we gain a level looks like, and i don't even we, it's hard to tell if it's under threat isn't occupied. i mean, there's so many different reports out there at this point. i don't even know how to describe it, but um, this is massive. damascus is on the backboard and we all have

a pretty good idea of who's behind this george. in the visa, we have a pretty good idea because it's the same cost of characters. uh that was behind the, on the floor of the game, syria back in to in 2011 through to the 2016. when without question, this is a, is shopping development. and it's clear that the israel is in the business of dealing with all of them is adverse. there is an at one of the same time. and i think the serious vulnerability, i think, and most because of what is right to have done 11. i'm a to has all of i think as well as been a key play up in uh in, in the fight for survival of the buster of a son. and in his most obviously very weak. and i mean the israel has decapitate the it's leadership. it's clearly in, in disarray, so we won't be able to provide the kind of assistance that he has with over all

these years. iran is also so much weekend, so it also is unable to provide to the assistance. and um, and of course we have um, they're the one who is always coveted. uh, syria 0 here. hit pretended deviously as this. these won't and let's hear somehow is in the business of seeking reconciliation with the thoughts i got into something new in that. no, it's not. there is rain. he had problem is good relations with syria. it was good friends with the bus route, alyssa, but he sees this opportunity to mount this also, i think is very serious because i think the, the force that has, that had ensure the survival of the government in damascus. back in 20152016. i think on now much weekend or preoccupied elsewhere. so i, you know, rather pessimistic. i think the little, the outlook is not good for a bus or

a lot that you know team and it's really quite interesting to me that a lot of the think tank are as in washington in london. um, um and looking at uh, the conflict and ukraine been warning that the russians might take open up other friends around the world. yeah. and then say we're a no, no, it's just the office. this is an opportunity for the outgoing administration to me . mix up the works even more so this obviously there's a lot of scores to be settled because of the dirty proxy war of 2011 to 2016 georgia's got that. absolutely right. but there's always the element of an anti anti russian element of is coming from the west, and israel is willing to play along if it suits its goal. so this is just as much against moscow is as it is against damascus. ah, well, i am just bound by the american. uh, we hear from washington that from europe. okay, uh, what kinda restart. this is

a huge misfortune. people are dying. millions of people see what you think you are now. and what's the narrative from the west? it's not a matter tool, sarah, it's called to waste. you know, also it's hours a week and now is the moment. uh and no one who is actually a is actually explaining what these h t s stands for is. uh, i see our show, which it is. uh, it's iris organize the stop shop means syria. dr year is uh, you know, the same as the, all that there is, but when i say he, he's worked out for you, you know, we just came to the, i think of the united states by the way. so it's, it's amazing. we have, i'd be very strange on phone and lots west from forest and these grow and why themselves to you from just trying to pull the boat. ah said go arrow blue sheets. this is really strange because that's was the israel's now or do you know we are staying, you know,

they gaze the east pharmacy crabs. we are protecting old people well protected west and she was a c o. com. you're not protecting the west and she was evening syria call call you'll, you'll basically provide services. you know, we post on that. these are the providers medical services through the some groups. well actually it brings to my mind a very, very interesting parallel. a, i will say a friday or no, you know the state department reasons miss said that the grade was a ball work. i'll look on the west of the world against the russian. what was that was the american roll before the war? either way, just any of the 3rd? yes. the what i smoked about for him as a baltimore against the against the bolshevik. and the seed was germany most seen as a mile wide. well, sometimes again, as a ball work against, uh, uh, soviet pressure. i don't want to, i do are start as russia,

but kendra was so much worse. and here's what crap them cheaper attempt. uh, the west. what you have that brush. so the ball was turned against. uh its main, oh, what is the same way? oh, this is almost organizations. no one has disputed the fact that this is the same person, the delivery address had dropped off on me. so i, you know, handle that the shop is the same as the crowd almost at least declared himself a secret successor. ok. the so you said pretty the way. yes, no charge a name is absolutely right. i mean, this is 31 flavors of islamic terrorism as far as i'm concerned. i mean, you can change the uniforms, you can change the name, it's the same group of people committing the same atrocities. i'm not going to repeat it on this program, but some of the things that i've come across in the last few hours. it's the same. people with the same d, b as a cool behavior, and they're,

i guess they're freedom fighters and all of this because it's against the solid because it's against the wrong because it's against, as below there's, it, there's, they're not talking about their values right now. are they george? go ahead. no, there's no visor is to consult and you're absolutely right. then because this was, we've, we pointed this out so many times during the, a height of the war in, uh, syria that hey, whatever happened to this global war on terror who was supposed to be fighting against this is line a fundamental ism, this dangerous. his mom is by etiology, and yet the global war on terror continue to target the regimes that were themselves fighting against uh, as long as terrorism. so who was in the cross as well. so now i was saying by showing us a moment good off a. well, that's very strange and the, and of course a, throughout the goal is russia and iran general saw him on it. so as all of the people who are, you know,

i'm being targeted attack sanctions assassinated by the west arrest. exciting games is not a fundamental is the one who's fighting on our side. well, wow, these are they fund dimensionless and so we've got the same thing here. we have um the video, the israel, which has continued to bounce, there is where it is still bombing syria, even as this offensive is being. mounts that this a doing it then because israel has played a major role in weakening the army simply because again, that the media adulthood gleefully about how old the serial army is doing very poorly is being bombed non stop day of the day of the day by israel through house series through bullies use offensively because those thing is somehow, is a, posing some sort of a, an agent of the wrong. of course it's had an effect and wish an old enough to give

that. throughout these years, the united states has maintained the most brutal, vicious, for risk sanctions. i mean, serious as not being able to assume, especially just but it's the back of his feet off the uh, the and the, the more or less the end of the war in 2016 because the, the united states and the european union really in ratcheted up the, the sanctions to the point way is a, syria is unable to have access to its own oil resources. is, are they able to have access to its own um, agriculture and then the width is sort of believe it was the syrians is doing very poorly. well, this is what happens when you do, we apply this kind of pressure bombing from, uh, syria, turkey maintaining and strengthening this terror is based in england. and then you turn around and say, well, well, that's surprising, going on why, why is this area doing better than it is? well, this is what happened, city series, a weak vulnerable country. and if you do that, the serious, then this is,

will be the result. and if it was the last few days or any indication of this, the demon right now, is this, then the, the, there was no end to the proxy, more vicious been re ignited. it's a because it's the same cash to buy, you know, team of the, the one character. and then we will then we all love to talk about because he's such a fascinating characters. everyone. i mean her to one. all these over to are is a rebuilding relations with the, with damascus. but once he sees an opportunity, and maybe this is a, a link to the incoming trump administration to get on that name. have the good graces of the war hawks that trump is going to bring on board. you know, he's showing his credentials that he's anti ran, he's anti syria. i, you know that there are many reasons why he may be doing what he is, but he also obviously saw an opportunity and he's a rein himself with forces,

but he is openly been against or been rhetorically against. um, particularly since october 7. so, and this is not going to do any good for us. oh, and the rest and turkish relations whatsoever. demo as well. we will see, you know, president will jim, as get a boat to do with our build up for a very simple reason. all the, all the necessary with your, i mean to the last is opened it for style. so i don't know gone, you know, a drag or recess. he's dangerous, as you use this to your desk or style, the west about the needs that has to be, but these are s o b is something like that. absolutely, absolutely. but the problem is that, um uh, basically with have the same kind of advance we beacon so i mean, remember 911 committed this crime. it must be wrong. it must be

a southern push say no, because i found a lot of the, the right agent. so easy, all right, just for your a jump in of good stuff has and then these people say, well, conspiracy theories when they say that the light, the space to raise the tone, 80 minutes, you know, the terrorists at, oh, cd is they're all american for my american ages, as the opinion they have to tell me we're going to vibrate, but of christians in the middle east continued to be killed. the best mountain report in the west. and i'm going to jump in here. gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some of them and stay with our cool the the,

the the, the well domestic prospect, bullet points were all things are considered on peter lavelle. and george, you and i've talked incessantly over the last few months, and particularly since the election of donald trump is famous, i will

a 124 hours even before i'm involved, you're in it. okay, that's the kind of the mantra here. well, then there's some indications of something is going on. okay, a ceasefire. maybe there's some kind of soft partition of a soft nato entry. lots of strange things coming from. the strangest characters that we had home with not come back home is the but they are, they're back like a bad cold. so what's the, what's going on here? because what the thing i find fascinating is, you know, this is, this is almost kind of like inside baseball, you know, who says they is, i mean, that's all the thing is, you know, it was good fodder for pod cast, right? are the russians interested in? is it all george a it's very hard to know. i think it's a, at this stage i, i do thing russian will try to work with a, the newly incumbent president. trump, to the greatest extent they can. i think they will have to,

i don't think they can in any way just to reject whatever plan that he comes up with. i think that will have to pretend that they're interested in working something out of them. i think that was clearly indicated by the the news conference in a style, the boot as well very warmly about the trunk and, and even suggesting your trunk really knows how to uh, to solve the problem in the ukraine. but fundamentally, i don't think trump has anything very much to offer to rush trip. he's brought back um, brought in the general uh, keys catalogue. and so this is a 2 year old man who had been a very hawkish, pretty much from the start of this. the simple, this m. o says 2022. he's been complaining and complaining and complaining the buying. the ministration wasn't doing it off. it wasn't providing enough homes um to uh,

to ukraine that it's not giving them enough to when this will now change this to some what um during the past 12 months in which he somehow started quibbling. well that maybe this isn't such a great idea. and then um, be a few months ago, he pinned an article with the fred flights, which was in many ways confusing because it's a most of the, something for everyone in this article. but there is at least some of the outlines that a, what could be a, uh, a trump piece plan, which is freeze the conflict um, in a place to get everybody into uh, the negotiating table. and we keep pouring in, arms on your own, bring united by the millions. uh, yeah, totally into uh, ukraine. um and i believe as well the reason of the homeless stuff. and basically the,

because this all the and up again stop. yeah. the warranty on that plan is that's not ending the war a space and the possibilities for a certain period of time steam. uh huh. i'll throw the question to you. i mean, you know, literally all the bits and pieces that george has mentioned and it's, it's right through the media right now. so, why with the russians even react to that? i mean, they want a solution to this crisis. they want security. i actually ukraine, one security actually everybody wants security, but that smells are project 3 in which the so called talks are going toward fema to uh well this uh account. what is the real now? the whole russians have been mostly dealing with the liberal now until recently. now, here is the phone lines from the depths,

or american miniature machine coating. and, uh, it is just, uh, no, uh, absolute, the moral butcher. right? so right, he's on the wall by on the beach sports just says that i quote, a bomb. i was never a friend to lose it. bought a bomb with candidly, while you're on your chest, fuel light, it's simply on to, you know, cause a, a bomb, a threat, the, it's not even good political poetry. okay. knowing, you know, you wouldn't, if you live and stuff to do it in a way that will not be, don't let yourself before. you know that this isn't that bad, but political mindset about the, here's the suggestion of the store, actually, it's very complex. i mean, like, we suggest that you see the table that you stop by them and basically, and that to make sounds. that sounds great. if you don't make concessions, we expect,

we'll just leave the table that she's calling from the one on that. so basically he is a very impatient immediately if she wants to be mediate that oh, mediate, across the page that that's the 1st thing required for me. so this is not mediate, and i don't expect the anything particularly good to come from. however, we keep for coping, that's why we just did not in south prompt and in general, tries to kind of maintain some kind of uh, like relationship. that's why you said the, these things to do the going to speech enough. well, he said the same thing. symbolic. george bush, the julia, it didn't mean that brasher somehow viewed the george bush. they joined us around. uh, we just uh, you know, we tried to use every opportunity to do the one point due was, you know, uh, ukraine was an exception. uh, because, uh,

diploma. she just didn't walk that. you said ukraine would seek you appropriately. yeah. but you know, your brains, ukraine, people want, storage it. but the want that, as you just mentioned, the operative word here. and george is diplomacy and diplomacy. all. mostly it tends to look for a political solution. the characters that are around trump, they haven't been confirmed yet. okay, but they tend to still think there's some kind of military solution then that's the danger here. okay. the russians want a security solution. so, you know, given this mix, you know, it's, it's gonna have to be a very wet, well calibrated balance of all of those things to move forward. too many of these characters are in one category or the other, but none of them in diplomacy right now. go ahead. no, i, i think that's right. i mean, most of the people around him including keith kellogg,

are absolutely folks when he comes to russia, they see russia as an enemy. and they obviously still believe the ukraine or syria or whatever are useful weapons in order to weaken russia. and so that's why they will live now, none of them as in any way criticized by and for what has happened in syria. but it was, there is a very good uh, illustration of the asked him that you really don't want to leave almost finished business. and i think that's really been the weakest scenario, a sense of, of those unfinished business. and as long as there is unfinished business, then the hall can start stop again in 234 or 5 years fine. and i think this will be the less than the to the russians that well, book, i mean, and basically it wasn't finished. you know, there was a blip. that was the american presence. that was his route. it was going to stop

a game and sing in ukraine, 10 minutes minutes was basically an unfinished business, and it was inevitable that what's stopped up again. so therefore, this proposal that the catalog is put forward and others and for forward somewhere, but let's freeze it in place. so we'll put the whole nato membership on hold for the time big. but in the meantime, we're just going to pull in the bucket loads of, uh, image shows the george, that's what they did. but that's what you did from 2014 to 2022. that's exactly how i get these, that the answer. keep doing it, then. well, the bus, the pile here will the piano as they did as well. let's, let's, let's, let's start it up again in 56 the assignment. and that's what they calculated, you know, food and it's not going to be there forever. but then, well, you know, whoever is the next man and we can just start it up again. and it's clear, it's clear if you're taking a look at these plans where, you know,

they've been all those of that nature, but they're just a way of what, let's put things on, hold for the time being strengthened outside. and then we're going to start it up again, exactly as what was up in this scenario. you know too many of the, because of the nature of the information infrastructure in the world, which is always very biased and mostly controlled by the west. point of reference is always trumps peace plan. but the russians have had never pro plans out their proposals out there from day one. they've never, seriously looked at, but the russians have to, or demanded that they look at, you know, in terms of neal fights and these area. i don't think he knows very much about ukraine. and you can always say he needs to delegate a bully. did this catalog die and other useful idiots of uh, of uh, the other form policy blog. but the russian one is a good point of departure. but there is a denial that there is a point where everyone can start and,

and there's always the problem. what is the when the skis roll in this, he is no longer the legal president of ukraine. you know, when there's a lot of fundamental problems that haven't been addressed, addressed here, even if they wanted to take up the russian plan, go ahead email. well, it depends on what you consider to be peace and why don't you consider to be honest in your business. you know, uh for the west on features business is when the man they want to remove is still involved. you know, uh they want it to remove. uh, also, you know, tell them, uh you as well, uh, if i can stop you syria. that's what i'm seeing is be because they will not stop until they move to. right. and this is all very and democratic. i mean, we'll get the election said we were in the world, somehow the democratic west was supports bomb, can you, you know, and these are the best when they immediately changed the result. you know, uh,

it's like a computer game, you know? yeah, yeah. you know, whole thing to keep their own bottom. you keep the wrong button, indulgence you keep the wrong button and remain yes. be aware, you know, i don't want to have program see the demo rapidly running out of time. but george, i mean, it is kind of that i'm glad team and brought it up as a little off topic. but the, the name of george and president says she's not going to leave office. i mean, again where it's a democratic nor stuff. ok. ok, i guess it's the people voted the wrong way, so i'm going to stay in the meantime. and if it's a bond in the west, go ahead. george s i is the georgian president just so somebody announced i'm staying on uh you know, even though mike mike to on because it has expired but like a stain. no, the 12 is going to do that. and then it goes in and then romania weatherbug went the other way. um, last weeks the uh the, the remaining supreme court i think is

a scheduled to roll at any moment essentially to an all the election. i mean, like when, when, when you're, when i'm like, oh, it's gone the wrong way. basically we're going to an older gentleman, a gentleman. we haven't solve the ukraine problem, but the west has its own problems with it. some thought to democracy as all the time we have what i think, my guess in budapest and in moscow. and of course when i think of yours for watching us here at ortiz, the next time, remember across the, across, the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion, by how of tired vision, with no real opinions fixtures designed to simplify. it will confuse who really wants a better world. and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented to this fuss?

can you see through their illusion going underground? can the man all of this piece of temporary c, as rises, look to the small pool of georgia and president global schools to do this, to join pro d u protested. sees on the 5th is on a higher let's as of last night was the oldest and eliminate all the full 100 millimeters and ongoing strikes. i'm on a level the development of a lot of things just getting cancer is really having some of the successful results