against russia during the war, he's an idiot. and if he knows that this man fought on the side of hitler and calls him a hero view, crane, and the hero of canada, then he is a scoundrel who it looked absolutely disgusting that everyone was applauding and nazi. so that grew up by true though, opened up a whole town of arms and now it looks like these new charges over violating quote, war monuments. can you crazy and nazis by this activist is once again bringing the whole issue up for another code of white washing by the establishment here. clarity and genocide. active is evil own glasses, i pro nazi you put a low beef through lives in kind of that because it's useful funny to in this world war to kevin there's been a hub of this hard line, ukrainian nationalism. they use that to do the stabilize and undermine this will be union during the cold war as soon as you can in independence they, they have been

a very powerful force in ukraine and internationally in terms of pushing this sort of, um, as calling an anti russian ukranian nationalism and that's, of course, really dovetailed with with a you made those objectives in, in ukraine. and so this, this, uh, this political force of ukrainian nationalism within canada has been granted a kind of. 2 you, i don't know, it's called a special status. the need to is so fundamental to community foreign policy and, and quite honestly, the political outlook of, of the, the, i don't, i, intelligentsia is that there's kind of like a merging in the popular mind of uh, of these, you know, like you can fight with nato to do a ukrainian that's like canada fighting and, and so i think that the most people,

i mean obviously people who know the history know that, that the 14 to assess the wife and ss was 0, fight against canada during world war 2 for that's part of why hunger, when they were able to give us any information the house of commons to hunker was because it wasn't even kind of like on the radar. people didn't even realize they have such a lack of history. and they just sort of assume that, you know, if you were fighting for ukraine during world war 2, then you were, you know, fighting for canada, that was just kind of the, the, the popular perceptions while vassal. so this is a, as it was, it's great to have a company here on opposite bank for the the the

welcome across the bull horns. where all things are considered non peter, although after use of relative peace, why has the level of fund to been reactivated? is that it certainly is term again, also is a trump piece plan for the ukranian conflict farming up it would seem, so are the russians even interested at this point? to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess towards samuel in budapest. he's a pod cast worth a guy goal, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet bobby . t is deputy for an editor. it comes to most guy a problem. the daily original link cross stuck rules and effective means you can jump any time you want and i was appreciate it. but i was going to start to start with george in budapest. well, the, the level front has been reactivated, as i said in my introduction, this is like days of who all over again, 2016. what's going on here? george? you mean a ceasefire or what they call a cease fire in lebanon is established. and now we have a really quite impressive,

a strike against the syrian forces and considering how much effort, blood and treasure um damascus used to regain a level looks like. and i don't even when it's hard to tell if it's under threat isn't occupied. i mean, there's so many different reports out there at this point. i don't even know how to describe it, but um, this is massive. damascus is on the backboard and we all have a pretty good idea of who's behind this george. in the visa, we have a pretty good idea because it's the same cost of characters. uh that was behind the on the floor of the game, syria back in 202011 through 2016. when without question, this is a is shopping development. and it's clear that the israel is in the business of dealing with all of them is adverse. there is an at one of the same time. and i

think the serious vulnerability, i think, and most because of what is right to have done 11. i'm a to has all of i think, as well as been a key play up in uh, in, in the fight for survival of the bus around the sun. and in his most obviously very weak. and i mean these real as decapitate the it's leadership. it's clearly in, in disarray so that we won't be able to provide the kind of assistance that he has with over all these years. iran is also much weekend so it also is unable to provide to the assistance. and um, and of course we have um, they're the one who is always coveted uh, syria 0 here. hit pretended deviously as this is wont. and that he is somehow is in the business of seeking reconciliation with the thoughts i got into something new in that. no, it's not. there is rain. he had problem is good relations with syria. it was good

friends with the bus route, alyssa, but he sees this opportunity to mount this also, i think is very serious because i think the, the force that has, that had to ensure the survival of the government in damascus. back in 20152016. i think on now much weekend or preoccupied elsewhere. so i, you know, rather the pessimistic. i think the, the outlook is not good for a bus or a lot that, you know, it's a minute. it's really quite interesting to me that a lot of the think tank are as in washington in london, and looking at uh, the conflict and ukraine. been warning that the russians might take open up other friends around the world. yeah. and then say we're a no, no, it's just the opposite. this is an opportunity for the outgoing administration to me. mix up the works even more. so this, obviously there's a lot of scores to be settled because of the dirty proxy war of 2011 to 2016

georgia's got that. absolutely right. but there's always the element of an anti anti russian element of is coming from the west, and israel is willing to play along if it suits its goal. so this is just as much against moscow is as it is against damascus as well i, i'm just bound by the narrative. uh, we hear from washington, that's from europe. okay, uh, what kind of restart. this is a huge misfortune. people are dying. millions of people see what you think you are now. and what's the matter with you from the west? it's not an eligible for it's coach wage. you know, also allies a week and now is the most. uh uh and, and no one is actually uh, actually explaining what these h t s them support is. uh, i see our shop,

which is uh, it's iris, but can i use a stop shop, means syria dockery or is the, you know, the same as the all that there is still going to say he, he's worked out for you, you know, which is pretty heated the i think and do night the stays by the weight. so it's, it's amazing. we have, i be these very strange. i'm on a line, it's west from force and these grow and why themselves to you from just trying to pull the boat. ah said go arrow blue sheets. this is really strange because that's was the israel now or do you know we are staying, you know, they gains the east from this crap. we are protecting old people well protected west and she was a c. o. com. you're not protecting west and she was even in syria call call. you'll, you'll basically provide services, you know, it was on that, the israel provide the medical service release on his groups. well, actually it brings to my mind the very, very interesting parallels. i would say a frightened or no, no, the state department,

recent miss said that the ukraine was a ball work. i'll look on the west of the world against the russian. well, that was the american role before the war. either way, just any of the 3rd? yes. uh, the way i smoked about form as a bone work against the, i mean the ball shoes and the cheapest germany was seen as somehow i was sometimes again, that's a ball work against. uh uh, so the pressure i don't want to, i do are start as russia. bob. kendra was certainly much worse. and here's what crap them. keith, with attempt. uh, the west. what do you have that brush? so the ball was turned against. uh, its main, allied in the same way, all these east almost organizations. no one is dispute to the fact that this is the same person to temporarily brush a desktop on these. right? you know, kind of what the shop is, the same as the crowd, almost at least declared himself as to create

a successor. ok the. so the idea what? yes. do you mean i'm charged him is absolutely right. i mean, this is 31 flavors of is lama terrorism. as far as i'm concerned, i mean you can change the uniforms, you can change the name, it's the same group of people committing the same atrocities. i'm not going to repeat it on this program, but some of the things that i've come across in the last few hours. it's the same people with the same i, d, b as cool behavior. and they're, and i guess they're freedom fighters and all of this because it's against the solid because it's against the wrong because it's against, as blog. there's and there's, they're not talking about their values right now. are they george, go ahead. no, there's no that is talk, it's hope and in your estimate of the right then because this was we've, we pointed this out so many times during the, uh, the height of the war in, uh, syria that hey, whatever happens with this global war on terror, who's supposed to be fighting against this islamic fundamentalism,

this dangerous his mom is by etiology. and yet the global war on terra continued to target the regimes that were themselves fighting against is long as terrorism. so who was in the cross as well? so number, same buster on the side. no, oh my goodness a. well, that's very strange and that kind of goes throughout it all is russia and iran general saw the money. so as all the people who are, you know, who i'm being target, that the attack sanction assassinated by the west. the rest of the fighting games is not a fundamental is the one who's fighting on our side. well, wow, these are the fundamental, this. and so we've got the same thing here. we have um the video, the, his israel, which has continued to bone syria, is what is still bombing syria, even as this offensive is being. mounts that this the doing and then cause israel

has played a major role in weakening the army us there. and because they're getting them, the media are talking gleefully about how old the serial army is doing. very poorly is being bombed, non stop day of the day of the day by israel through house series through bullies years, offensively. because the somehow is a, posing some sort of a, an agent of the wrong. that, of course has had an effect. and what's an aust, i'm of the gift that throughout these years the united states has maintained the most brutal, vicious, for risk sanctions. i mean serious as not being able to, as soon as century, just put anybody. so back on these feeds off the uh, the, the, the more or less the end of the war in 2016 because they knew the united states. i am the europe in union really and ratcheted up the the sanctions to a point way is a, syria is unable to have access to its own oil resources. is,

are they able to have access to its own um, agriculture and then the west to sort of believe it was the syrians is doing very poorly. well, is that what happens when you do? we apply this kind of pressure bombing from us area, turkey maintaining and strengthening this terror is based enabling name is around and say well, well, that's surprising, going on why, why is this area doing better than it is? well, this is what happened here is a weak loaner, whole country. and if you do that, the serious, then this is, will be the result. and if it was the last few days or any indication of this, the demon right now is that then be the, there was no end to the proxy war. this just been re ignited. it's a because it's the same cast to place, you know, team of the, the one character. and then we will vent, uh, we all love to talk about because he's such a fascinating characters. everyone. i mean, heard on all these overtures rebuilding relations with the, with damascus,

but once he sees an opportunity, and maybe this is a, a link to the incoming trumpet administration to get on that name. and i have the good graces of the war hawks that trump is. i'm going to bring on board. you know, he's showing his credentials that he's anti ran. he's anti syria. i, you know that there are many reasons why he may be doing what he has, but he often obviously saw an opportunity and he's a rein himself with forces. but he is openly been against or been rhetorically against um, particularly since october 7th. so, and this is not gonna do any good for us and gotten to our, uh, russian turkish relations whatsoever demo as well we will see, you know, present with them as getting a boat to deal with are, those are, are very simple reason all the, all the necessary with your i mean, so the last is opened it for style. so i don't know gone, you know,

a drag or recess. he's dangerous as you use this to your desk or style down the west about the needs that has to be. but these are s o b is something like that. absolutely, absolutely. but the problem is that, um, uh, basically with have the same 5 ton of dance we beacon. so, i mean, remember 911 who committed this crime. it must be wrong. it must be a southern push say no, it was. i found a been lot of you guys, probably a lot of them are the right agent. know is your right just for your a jump in of good stuff has. and then these people say, well, conspiracy theories when they say that the light, the space to raise the tone, 80 minutes, you know the areas that, oh boy, a cd is they're all american for my american ages. this the opinion, they have to tell me we're going to vibrate, but a questions in the middle east continued to be killed. the best mountain report in

the west. and i'm going to jump in here gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some of them and stay with arkell, the russian states. never as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best ingles, all sense and up the in the 65 to 5 must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on russia scooting s r t suppose next. even our video agency roughly all the band on youtube, the fitness center for question, did you say even closer to the

well domestic prospect boulevard is where all things are considered on peter lavelle. george, you and i've talked incessantly over the last few months, and particularly since the election of donald trump is famous, i will end in 24 hours even before i'm involved uranium. okay, and that's the kind of the matter here. well, then there's some indications of something is going on. okay, a ceasefire. maybe there's some kind of soft partition, a soft nato entry. lots of strange things coming from strangers. characters that we had hoped would not come back on this the, but they are, they're back like a bad cold. so what's the, what's going on here?

because with this thing, i find fascinating is, you know, this is this, it's almost kind of like inside baseball, you know, who says they is, i mean, that's all the thing is, you know, is good fodder for podcast, right? what are the russians interested in? is it all george or? well, it's very hard to know. i think it's a, at this stage i, i do thing. russian will try to work with a lazy, newly incumbent president. trump, to the greatest extent they can, i think they will have to, i don't think they can in any way, just reject whatever plan that he comes up with. i think that we'll have to pretend that they're interested in working something out of them. i think that was clearly indicated by the the news conference in a style. the boot is well very warmly about the trunk and, and even suggesting get drunk really knows how to, uh, to solve the problem in the ukraine. but fundamentally,

i don't think trump has anything very much to offer to rush trip. he's brought back um, brought in the general uh, keys catalog. so this 80 year old man who had been a very hawkish, pretty much from the start of this. the simple, this m. o says 2022. he's been complaining and complaining and complaining that the bible ministration wasn't doing enough. it wasn't providing enough homes to, to uh, to ukraine. and it's not giving them enough to when this will now be changed. this to some what um during the past 12 months in which you somehow started quibbling. well that maybe this isn't such a great idea. and then be a few months ago, he pinned an article with the fred flights, which was in many ways confusing because it's a most of the, something for everyone in this article. but there is at least some of the outlines

that a, what could be a, uh, a trump piece plan, which is freeze the conflict in a place to get everybody into the negotiating table. and we keep pouring in arms uh, on your own, bring united by the millions. uh, yeah, of totally into, uh, ukraine. um and i believe as well please move the whole of stop and basically the solve it up again. stop. the war is back on. that plan is that's not ending the war. okay. the space and the possibilities for a certain period of time steam, i'll throw the question to you. i mean, you know, all the bits and pieces that george has mentioned, and that's right through the media right now. so, why with the russians even react to that? i mean, they want a solution to this crisis. they want security,

actually ukraine, one security. actually everybody wants security but that's not the directory in which the so called talks are going toward fema to uh, well uh this uh account well is uh a real no, no rush and stuff been mostly dealing with a liberal now until recently. now here is, uh, so mom's from the depths or american community machine, quoting m l, the, it is just, uh no, actually the more books to write. so right. he's on the wall by all the bein sports just says that i quote, a bomb. i was never a friend to lose it, bought a bomb with the end of the last iran. oh, this is a chest buell why it's simply, i'm pro, you know, because of a bomb, a threat. the, it's not even good political poetry. okay. knowing, you know, you wouldn't,

if you live and stuff to do it in a way that will not be, don't let yourself be ports below that, it says that the political mindset about the he is the suggestion of the store. i say it's, it's very complex. i mean, like, we suggest that you see the table just stop by them and basically, and if you make up that sounds to be great. if you don't make concessions, we expect we will just leave the table that she's calling from 11 that so basically he is a very impatient immediately if she wants to be mediate that o mediate, across the page. that that's the 1st thing required for me. so this is not me the age and uh, i don't expect the anything particularly good to come from. however we keep for coping. that's why i'm just not in south prompt. uh huh. under the general price to kind of maintain some kind of uh like relationship with you. that's why you said

the these things to do the going to speech enough. well, he said the same thinks about george bush, the julia, it didn't mean that brasher somehow viewed the george bush. they joined us. the fram. uh, we just uh, you know, we tried to use every opportunity to do the one point due was, you know, uh, ukraine was an exception. uh, because, uh, diploma. she just didn't walk that. you said ukraine would seek you probably leave it there. yeah. but you know, your brains, ukraine, people once you storage it, but the want that you just mentioned, the operative word here. and george is diplomacy and diplomacy. all. mostly it tends to look for a political solution. the characters that are around trump, they haven't been confirmed yet. okay,

but they tend to still think there's some kind of military solution then that's the danger here. okay. the russians want a security solution. so, you know, given this mix, you know, it's, it's going to have to be a very wet, well calibrated balance of all of those things to move forward. too many of these characters are in one category or the other, but none of them in diplomacy right now. go ahead. no, i, i think that's right. i mean, most of the people around him including keith kellogg are absolutely false. when he comes to russia, they see russia as an enemy, and they obviously still believe the ukraine or syria or whatever are useful weapons in order to weaken russia. and so that's why they will, you know, live no, none of them as in any way criticized, buying for what has happened in syria. but it was a serious, a very good uh,

illustration of the asked him that you really don't want to leave almost finished business. and i think that's really been the weakest scenario, a sense of, of those unfinished business. and as long as there's unfinished business, then the welcome start, stop again in 234, or 5 years time. and i think this will be the lesson to the russians. that well, book, i mean, and basically it wasn't finished. you know, there was a blip. that was the american presence. that was his route. it was going to stop up again and saying in ukraine then minutes, minutes was basically an unfinished business. and uh, it was inevitable that what stopped up again. so therefore, this proposal that the catalog is put forward and then others the portfolio somewhere, but let's freeze it in place. so we'll put the whole nato membership on hold for the time big. but in the meantime, we're just going to pull in the bucket loads of,

uh, image shows the judge. that's what they did. but that's what you did from 2014 to 2022. that's exactly how i get these, that the answer keep doing it. and, well, the bus, the pile here will the final because they do as well let, let's, let's, uh, let's start it up again and 56 the assignment. and that's what they calculated, you know, and it's not going to be there forever. but then, well, you know, whoever is the next man, we can just start it up again and it's clear, it's clear as you know, just look at these plans where, you know, i live in all those of that nature. but they're just a way of what, let's put things on, hold for the time being strengthened outside, and then we're going to start it up again. exactly as what this happened in syria. yeah, you know too many of the, because of the nature of the information infrastructure in the world, which is always very biased and mostly controlled by the west. point of reference is always trumps peace plan. but the russians have had plans out their proposals

out there from day one. they've never, seriously looked at, but the russians have to, or demanded that they look at, you know, it comes to new york bites and these area. i don't think he knows very much about ukraine. and you can always say he needs to delegate a bully. did this catalog die and other useful idiots of uh, of uh, the other foreign policy belong. but the russian one is a good point of departure. but there is a denial that there is a point where everyone can start and, and there's always the problem. what is the when the skis roll and this is no longer the legal president of ukraine? you know, when they, there's a lot of fundamental problems that haven't been addressed addressed here. even if they wanted to take up the russian plan, go ahead email. well, it depends on what you consider to be peace and why don't you consider to be honest in your business. you know, of all the west on features business is when the man they want to remove is still

involved. you know, uh they want it to remove. uh, also, you know, tell them, uh you as well, uh, find yourself in syria. that's what we don't seem to be because they will not stop until they remove too. great. and this is all very on democratic. i mean, we'll get the letter from same we were in the world. somehow the democratic west o supports bond can get, you know, and they have, they have to do the best when they immediately change the result. you know, uh, it's like a computer game, you know? yeah, yeah, you know whole and then you hit the wrong button, you hit the wrong button in georgia, you hit the wrong button and remain yes. be aware, you know, i don't want to have programs see the demo rapidly running out of time, but george, i mean, it is kind of, i'm glad team and brought it up as a little off topic. but the, the name of george and president says she's not going to leave office. i mean, again, where it's a democratic know stuff. okay. okay,

i guess it's the people voted the wrong way. so i'm going to stay in the meantime. and if it's a bond in the west, go ahead george the george and president just so somebody announced i'm staying on uh you know, even though mike mike to, um cuz it has expired. but like a state, you know, the problem is going to do that. and then it goes in and in romania weatherbug went the other way. um, last week the uh the, the remaining supreme court thing is uh, a scheduled to roll at any moment essentially to an all the election. i mean, like when, when, when you're i went to like, oh, it's gone the wrong way. basically we're going to have all the gentleman a gentleman. we haven't solve the ukraine problem, but the west has its own problems with some volunteer democracy as all the time we have what i think my guess in budapest and milestone, of course, when i think of yours for watching us here at ortiz, the next time. remember across the close, the

the good. good. i think those on that that's good to you. good. yeah. i think we took the same glass that the biggest hit by the i was i target here. now and see i baby. if you can say the best crowds, that's why i bed.