so from other it, it probably also i noticed was a, some of these are probably not the the welcome across the bull horns. were all things are considered non peter, although if you use of relative peace, why has the a level of fund to been reactivated is that it certainly is turned again also is a trump piece plan for the ukranian conflict? firming up, it would seem, so are the russians even interested at this point? to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess door to samuel in budapest. he's a pod cast or i think as well which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet bobby. he is deputy for an editor. it comes with most guy a problem. the daily original link prospect rolls in effect, that means you can jump any time you want,

and i always appreciate it. it's good to start this out with george in budapest. well the, the level front has been reactivated, as i said in my introduction, this is like days of who all over again, 2016. what's going on here, george, you mean a ceasefire or what they call a cease fire, and lebanon is established, and now we have, uh, a really quite impressive uh, a strike against uh, syrian forces and considering how much effort, blood and treasure um, uh, damascus, uh, used to regain the left uh, looks like and i don't even wait. it's hard to tell if it's under threat isn't occupied. i mean there's so many different reports out there at this point. i don't even know how to describe it, but um, this is massive. damascus is on the backboard and we all have a pretty good idea of who's behind this george, right. in the theater we have a blessed a is idea because it's the same cost of directors that was behind the on the floor

of the game, syria back in 202011. through to the 2016. when it without question. this was a, is shopping, develop and, and it's clear that the israel is in the business of dealing with all of his adversaries as one of the same time. and i think the serious vulnerability, i think and much because of what does what to have done. 11, i'm to his ball up, i think as well as been a key play up in uh in, in the fight for survival of the bus around the sun. and, and his mother's obviously very weak and i mean these real as decapitate the it's leadership. it's clearly in, in disarray so that we won't be able to provide the kind of assistance that he has with over all these years. iran is also much weekend. so it's also he's unable to

provide to the assistance. and um, and of course we have um, they're the one who is always coveted. uh, syria 0 here. hit pretended deviously as this. these won't. and that he is somehow is in the business of seeking reconciliation with the thoughts i got into something new in that. no, it's not. there is the rain. he had problem is good relations with syria. it was good friends with a bunch of us that. but he sees this opportunity to mount this also, i think is very serious because i think the, the faucet has that had ensure the survival of the government in the mask us back in 2015, 2016 i think are now much weekend or preoccupied elsewhere. so i, you know, rather the pessimistic i think is a little the outlook is not good for a brush or a lot that, you know team. and it's really quite interesting to me that a lot of the think tankers in washington in london. um, um,

in looking at uh um the conflict and ukraine been warning that the russians might take open up other friends around the world. yeah. and then say we're a no, no it's, it's the office. this is an opportunity for the outgoing administration to me. mix up the works even more so this obviously there's a lot of scores to be settled because of the dirty proxy war of 2011 to 2016 georgia's got that. absolutely right. but there's always the element of an anti, uh, anti russian element of is coming from the west. and israel is willing to play along if it suits its goal. so this is just as much against moscow is as it is against damascus. oh wow i, i'm just bound by the narrow to me. uh, we hear from washington, that's from europe. okay, uh, what kind of response. this is a huge misfortune. people are dying media, so if people view is secure, now, what's the narrative from the west?

it's not a matter tool, sarah, it's cold to waste. you know, also it's hours a week and now is the moment. uh and no one who is actually a is actually explain what these h t s stands for is. uh, i talk to the shop, which it is uh, it's iris organize. the stock shop means that syria, dr year is uh, you know, the same as the all that there is. but when i say he, he's worked out for you, you know, which is either the, i think of the united states by the way. so it's, it's amazing. we have, i'd be very strange on phone and lots west from forest and these grow and why themselves to be so i'm just trying to pull bolt. ah said go arrow boozy. this is really strange because that's was the israel's now or do you know we are staying, you know, they gaze the east from is crab. we're protecting old people well protected west

and she was a c o. com. you're not protecting west and she was evening syria call call you'll. you'll basically provide services, you know, it was on that, the israel provide a medical service release from groups. well, actually it brings to my mind and they're very, very interesting parallels a, i will say a friday or no. you know, the state department recently said that the grade was a ball work. i'll look on the west of the world against the russian. well, that was the american role before the war. either way, just any of the 3rd? yes. the west talked about form as a bomb work against the, against the wall she was. and she was germany was seen as a mile wide or something again as a ball work against the soviet pressure. i don't want to, i do are start as russia, but kendra was certainly much worse. and here's what crap them cheaper attacked the

west. what you have that brush. so the ball was turned against. uh its main, oh, what is the same way? oh, these eastern we're still gonna say no one has disputed the fact that this is the same person to temporarily brush a desktop. i'll try, you know, handle that. the shop is the same as the crowd almost at least declared himself a secret successor. ok the so the idea, yes, no charge a name is absolutely right. i mean, this is 31 flavors of islamic terrorism. as far as i'm concerned, i mean you can change the uniforms, you can change the name, it's the same group of people committing the same atrocities. i'm not going to repeat it on this program, but some of the things that i've come across in the last few hours. it's the same people with the same i, d, b as a cool behavior. and there, and i guess their freedom fighters and all of this because it's against the solid because it's against being run because it's against as blog. there's a, there's,

they're not talking about their values right now. are they george, go ahead. no, there's no virus tokens. hope and you're absolutely right then because this was we, we pointed this out so many times during the a height of the war in uh, syria that pay whatever happened to this global war on terror. we were supposed to be fighting against this. islamic fundamentalism is dangerous, um his mom is by etiology. and yet the global war on sarah continued to target the regimes that were themselves fighting against uh, as long as terrorism. so who was in the cross as well? so now i was saying by striking us up, well my goodness a, well, that's very strange and the, and of course a throughout it all is russia and iran generalist all the money. so as all of the people who, you know, who are being targeted, attack sanctions assassinated by the west and rest sufficing games

is not a fundamental isn't one who's fighting on our side? well, wow, these are, i think, fundamentally list. and so we've got the same thing here. we have um the video, the israel, which has continued to bounce, there is what it is still bombing serious even as this offensive is being, mounts that this a doing it then because israel has played a major role in weakening the army, us area because i gave them the media adult and gleefully about how old the serial army is doing very poorly, is being bombed non stop day of the day of the day by israel through house series through bullies use offensively. because those thing is somehow, is a, posing some sort of a, an agent of the wrong. and of course, this had an effect. and what's the oldest and most, i guess that throughout these years the united states has main thing, the most brutal, vicious for risk sanctions. i mean, as serious as not being able to as soon as essentially just putting,

put itself back on it's feet off the uh, the, the, the more or less the end of the war in 2016 because the, the united states and the european union really ratcheted up the, the sanctions, the point way is, syria is unable to have access to its own oil resources. is, are they able to have access to its own um, agriculture and then the width is sort of believe it was the syrians is doing very poorly. well, this is what happens when you do, we apply this kind of pressure bombing from, uh, syria, turkey maintaining and strengthening this terror is based in english. and then you turn around and say, well, well, that's surprising, going on why, why is this area doing better than it is? well, this is what happened, city series a week vulnerable country. and if you do that, the serious, then this is, will be the result. and if it was the last few days or any indication of this,

the demon right now, is this, then the, the, there was no end to the proxy, more vicious been re ignited. it's a because it's the same task like, you know, team of the, the one character. and then we will then we all love to talk about because he's such a fascinating characters. everyone. i mean her to one all these over to or is the rebuilding and relations with the, with damascus. but once he sees an opportunity, and maybe this is a, a link to the incoming trump administration to get on that name. have the good graces of the war hawks that trump is going to bring on board? you know, he's showing his credentials that he's anti ran. he's anti syria. um, you know that there are many reasons why he may be doing what he is, but he also obviously saw an opportunity and he's a read himself with forces, but he is openly been against or been rhetorically against um, particularly since october 7. so with, and this is not going to do any good for us,

so, and got into a rest and turkish relations whatsoever demo as well. we will see, you know, president will jim, as getting a boat to do with our build up for a very simple reason. all the, all the necessary with your, i mean to the last is open it for style. so i don't know, gone, you know, a treasurer says he's dangerous as he use this toyota as for style, the west about the news that s o b, but he's our s o b is something like that. absolutely, absolutely about the program is that um uh basically what kind of the same kind of advance we beacon so i mean remember 911. 0 cool. committed this crime. it must be wrong. it must be a southern push say no, it was a sound of been a lot of you guys, probably a lot of them are the right agent. know is your right just for your a jump in of good stuff has and then these people say, well,

conspiracy theories when they say that the light, the space to raise the, its own 80 minutes, you know, the terrorists. uh oh boy, uh cvd is, they're all american for my american ages. this the have to tell me we're going to find break, but a questions in the middle east continued to be killed the best mountain report in the west. and i'm going to jump in here gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real and stay with berkeley. the stop. let us go to the

1st through the the is on their thoughts and they call the fireside because originally they were actually boosting for people. and i predicted this to be used against their children. goodness needs be said that you knew where she lives. not mine that the glad me was. it was the store. the words, the key on the is by it's, that's quite a bit of a which is not the new on the 5th, if you're doing it from work, the system, you're into the multiple pages like playing over the face. yes, it was same for my son cities for printers, these guys funny noticed one

of the person incurring sign up on the the well domestic prospect boulevard is were all things are considered on peter lavelle and george you and i've talked incessantly over the last few months and particularly since the election of donald trump is famous, i will end in 24 hours even before i'm inaugurated. okay, and that's the kind of the matter here. well, then there's some indications of something is going on. okay, a ceasefire. maybe there's some kind of soft partition, a,

a, a soft nato entry. lots of strange things coming from. the strangest characters that we had hoped would not come back home is the, but they are, they are back like a bad cold. so what's the, what's going on here because of the thing i find fascinating is, you know, this is, this is for almost kind of like inside baseball, you know, who says they is, i mean, that's all the thing is, you know, is good fodder for podcast, right? are the russians interested in? is it all? george? it is very hard to note. i think it's at this stage i, i do thing russian will try to work with um the newly incumbent president. trump, to the greatest extent they can. i think they will have to, i don't think they can in any way just to reject whatever plan that he comes up with. i think that will have to pretend that they're interested in working something out of them. i think that was clearly indicated by the the news

conference in a style the booted as well very warmly about the trunk and, and even suggesting your trunk really knows how to uh, to solve the problem in the ukraine. but fundamentally, i don't think trump has anything very much to offer to rush trip. he's brought back um, brought in the general keys catalog. and so this a 2 year old man who had been a very who. okay, pretty much from the start of this. the simple, this m. o says 2022. he's been complaining and complaining and complaining that the, by the ministration wasn't doing it off. it wasn't providing enough homes um to uh, to ukraine, and it's not giving them enough to when this will now be change. this to somewhat during the past 12 months in which you somehow started quibbling. well that maybe

this isn't such a great idea. and then be a few months ago, he penned an article with fred flights, which was in many ways confusing because it's a most as something for everyone in this article. but there is at least some of the outlines that a, what could be a, uh, a trunk piece plan which is freeze the conflict um, in a place to get everybody to, to the negotiating table. and we keep pouring in arms uh, on your own, you know, by the millions. uh, yeah, totally into, uh, ukraine. um and i believe as well the reason of the homeless stuff and basically the solid and up again stop. yeah. the warranty on that plan is that's not ending. the more. okay. the space and the possibilities for a certain period of time steam. uh huh. i'll throw the question to you. i mean,

you know, all the bits and pieces that george has mentioned and it's, it's right through the media right now. so, why with the russians even react to that? i mean, they want a solution to this crisis. they want security, actually ukraine, one security. actually everybody wants security, but that's not the directory in which these so called talks are going toward fema to uh, well uh these uh channels is uh, a real no, no rush and stuff been mostly dealing with the liberal now until recently. now here is the sound long from the depths american community machine coating and uh, it is just, uh, no, uh, absolute, the moral bookstore. right. so right. he's on the wall by, on the beach. sports just says that i quote, a bomb. i was never

a friend to lose it. bought a bomb with candidly while you're on the cedar chest, fuel light, it simply, i'm to, you know, cause a bomb, a threat. the, it's not even good political poetry. okay. knowing, you know, you wouldn't, if you live and stuff to do it in a way that will not be long after. so before you know that because of that, the political mindset about the he is the suggestion of the story is very compass. i mean, like, we suggest that you see the people that just stop by them and basically that to make those sessions be great. if you don't make concessions, we expect, we'll just leave the table that she's calling from 11 that so basically he is a very impatient immediately if she wants to be mediate that mediate across the page. that that's the 1st thing required for me. so this is not mediate,

and i don't expect the anything particularly good to come from. however we keep for coping. that's why we just did not in south prompt, but the in general tries to kind of maintain some kind of uh, the lights relationship. it seemed that's why you said the these things to do the during the speech enough. well, he said the same thing. symbolic. george bush, the don't. yeah. it didn't mean that brasher, some how viewed the george bush, they joined us. a frown. uh, we just uh, you know, we tried to use every opportunity to, to the point you was, you know, uh, ukraine was an exception. uh, because, uh, diploma. she just didn't walk that. you said ukraine would secure, appropriately. yeah, but you don't raise your credit and people want storage it. but the want that as

you just mentioned, the operative word here and george is diplomacy and diplomacy. all. mostly it tends to look for a political solution. the characters that are around trump, they haven't been confirmed yet. okay. but they tend to still think there's some kind of military solution. then that's the danger here. okay. the russians want a security solution. so, you know, given this mix, you know, it's gonna have to be a very wet, well calibrated balance of all of those things to move forward. too many of these characters are in one category or the other, but none of them in diplomacy right now. go ahead. no, i, i think that's right. i mean, most of the people around the, including keys kellogg are absolutely folks when he comes to russia, they see russia as an enemy, and they obviously still believe the ukraine or syria or whatever are useful

weapons in order to weaken russia. and so that's why they will, you know, live now none of them has in any way criticized by and for what has happened in syria. but it was, there is a very good uh, illustration of the asked him that you really don't want to leave unfinished business. and i think that's really been the weakest scenario, a sense of those unfinished business. and as long as there is unfinished business, then the welcome start up again in 234, or 5 years fine. and i think this will be the lesson to the russians that well, book, i mean, it basically, it wasn't finished. you know, that was a blip. that was the american presence, that was his route. it was going to stop a game and sing in ukraine, 10 minutes minutes was basically an unfinished business. and uh, it was inevitable that what's stopped up again. so therefore, this proposal that the catalog is put forward and others put forward somewhere,

but let's freeze it in place. so we'll put the whole nato membership on hold of the time big. but in the meantime, we're just going to pull in the bucket loads of, uh, you know, shows the judge. that's what they did. but that's what you did from 2014 to 2022. that's exactly how i get these, that the answer. keep doing it, then, well, the bus, the pile here will the final but as they did as well, let, let's, let's, let's start it up again in 56 the assignment. and that's what like calculating, you know, 10 is not going to be there forever, but then, well, you know, whoever is the next man and we can just start it up again. and it's clear, it's clear as you know, just look at these plans where, you know, i live in all those of that nature. but that just a way of what, let's put things on, hold for the time being will strengthen outside. and then we're going to start it up again, exactly as what this happened in syria. you know, to many of the,

because of the nature of the information infrastructure in the world. which is always very biased and mostly controlled by the west. point of reference is always trumps peace plan. but the russians have had whatever pro, plans out their proposals out there from day one. they've never seriously looked at . but the russians have to, are demanded that they look at, you know, it comes to new york by some, these area. i don't think he knows very much about in ukraine. and you can always say he needs to delegate a bully. did this catalog die and other useful idiots of uh, of uh, the other form policy blog. but the russian one is a good point of departure. but there's a denial, but that is a point where everyone can start and, and there's always the problem. what is the when skis roll in this? he is no longer the legal president of ukraine. you know, when they, there's a lot of fundamental problems that haven't been addressed addressed,

or even if they wanted to take up the russian plan, go ahead email. well, it depends on what you consider to be piece. and once you're considered to be honest in your business, you know, uh for the west on features business is when the man they want to remove is still involved, you know, uh they want it to remove. uh, also you know, for them to you as well. uh, if i can stop in syria, that's what i'm seeing is be because they will not stop until they remove the queue . right? and this is all very on democratic. i mean, we'll get the elections everywhere in the world. somehow the democratic west was supports bank and you know, and they have the best way and they immediately changed the result. you know, uh it's, it's like a computer game, you know? yeah, yeah. you know, whole thing to keep their own bottom. you get the wrong button, indulgence you keep the wrong button and remain yes. be aware, you know,

uh the ones that have programs see what i mean. they have a demo rapidly running out of time. but george, i mean, it is kind of that i'm glad team and brought it up as a little off topic. but the, the name of george and president says she's not going to leave office. i mean, again, there's a democratic nor stuff. ok. ok, i guess it's the people voted the wrong way, so i'm going to stay in the meantime. and if it's a bond in the west, go ahead george, inside the georgia presence, just so somebody announced i'm staying on uh you know, even though mike mike to this is expired. but after staying now are the 12 is going to do that because in i'm in romania weatherbug went the other way. last weeks the the romanian supreme court i think is a scheduled the rule at any moment essentially to and all the election. i mean, like when, when, when you're, when i, it's gone the wrong way. basically we're going to all the gentleman we haven't solve the ukraine problem, but the west has its own problems with and some thought to democracy as all the

time we have what i think, my guess in budapest and in moscow. and of course, when i think of yours for watching us here at ortiz, the next time, remember across the, across, the if you think about russia, what is your mind picture the bottom landscapes open up the phone lines. the last one, just can you imagine the,

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