so these are to express the dissatisfaction, john is off, has applied such then hobbies all power times the age to others is either booming, texas zip code, or the in the me a comment g with age are the charlies that germany's long run. i money, it always seems kind of masochism. the more it becomes obvious that the german, these policies funds are mentioned a mistake in the mall fanatic. go the germans office. you either. so this is not the new germany is a country due to its national, cataract is always find the tutorials the difficult to cut the losses once they've committed themselves to a cause. even if it gives manifest b e a ration and cannot fox, they are. the german standing radically changed schools. it's a kind of like,

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cell 2 minutes of front of 5, i'm afraid of hungry, it is great. or not to be upset, tell me. thank you so much for your time. i know that you are very, very busy man. i'm the 1st thing that's jump right to it. and i mean, in a recent interview, prime minister to botany, he said that's russia's deployment of the missile ideas. sneak should be a quote uh something to make us think. what was budapest thinking about night? and do you think it will indeed compel your your pen counterparts? to reassess the strategies when it comes to warranty quite well, there has been a feeling with us for more than $1000.00 to days now. and this feeling of. busy ours become stronger and stronger every day. especially when we experience such kind of events like launching that to me side or when we experience decisions or from others. which it decision.

because either does irresponsible so day by day or feeling that peace must be made is getting stronger and stronger. we understand that every other day spent in this war, there are more people dying, more destruction taking place and more serious, serious sfreddo escalation comes forward. so all these events show to us that the piece mission of ours must be strong funds must be more and more active. and we have to do our best either or to help peace to come as soon as possible, most likely starting with a ceasefire. which would give the chance to those who are involved to sit around the negotiating table and discuss about a agreement leading towards sustainable pacing. all region. i mean one of the uh,

seem to be lead again, who has come paying for the piece some way that the gary prime minister, of course in coming us present. and donald trump, he's beginning to pick his team. and he's catalog has been taught to be special envoy for ukraine and russia. now i want to do you think that his appointment and his mediation could help bring a resolution to the conflict close and do you think that that will be sensitivity under a trump administration to most goes position i any all stop because he's kind of specific and he has said on the number of occasions we need to quote help ukraine when well, 1st of all, i think that it has to be put into consideration that a democracy must be billed on the view of the people. and what happened on the presidential elections in the united states?

there are 2 candidates. we thought the differing positions on many issues. but if i have to name the issue there, do opinion of the 2. i have totally being different. then i would name of course migration, but then the issue of the war, a new k no, trump had to go to a different region compared to this war. then uh, kimberly harris because cumberland harris was speaking about the continuation of the strategy of the american administration impact so which we are quite a they are also, unfortunately, but president trump represented a different approach because he was speaking about making peace and the, the end of the day the american citizens have made a very clear decision. so to make peace in ukraine is basically

a real on the him, merican people as well. so what we have seen so far, since the elections in the form of decisions of the still incumbent america administration is basically neglecting the will of the people going against the will of the people. so in order to give a respect to the american citizens who made it clear decision in order to ensure safety, stability and security in the sensor will reach some part of europe. the only way to move forward is making peace and then disregard the fact that the incoming president nominates a person an experience as one uh, a respected one with the aim of resolving the conflict to the war. i think it's a good news on its own. on the other hand,

i have had the honor uh to accompany my prime minister on a number of meetings with president trump even after the war has broken out. and what i experience during these meetings is the president from really believes in the necessity of making peace, annoying him. because politics is a jumble of experience. and so knowing came from his 1st term uh, whatever he would like to do. he makes his best in the road to the legal. so i've seen that since the presidential election of the united states, they have taken pest taken place. we have the best hope for this war to come to an end soon as it had broken up in the meantime, though, in the meantime though, i will say that now we are faced with the most serious risk of escalation ever since this war has broken out. because the decisions made by the incumbent,

the american administration. and so investing, you're not going to ministrations since the us, his actions are very dangerous and you know, we are living in the neighborhood. so i don't have the luxury to speak on behalf of a country, an ocean away. i'm speaking on behalf of a country which is next door. and those measures which are bringing the danger of escalation are putting danger on us as well. and we don't want others to put danger on us and therefore, therefore we have now been strengthening our efforts when it comes to the peace mission. that's why i came to moscow today and i hope that that's my was it. my discussions today will contribute to based upon that as soon as possible. you told the birds, and you mentioned of course i don't want someone else to put me risk. but of course,

when you are part of a blog, cannot be your opinion. it is a bit for $1.00 and $1.00 for rule, at least thoughts of you from, from brussels. and i do want to get you taken somebody because president putin believes and actually, you know, i hear this from a number of guests on all programs. and what i, i'm struck by is that the main, yep. she from germany is that they say that europe has lost its independence and a seems to be a politically so for an entity when it comes to international fast, specifically. and i just want to do you think that's a reasonable assessment? i'm kind of on a just on a personal level. notices administer, but as any you citizen, how about makes you feel? well, um say that this war has broken out. it is obvious that most of the european leaders have lost their own voice in this regard. and on many occasions,

i hear your appeal leaders including my colleagues for the ministers or the high representative speaking about speaking in a way that we always compare our contribution to the american one. and i think it's a very, very bad and harmful approach from the europe in perspective. why? because the war does take place here, renew, or there are europe, young people dying as there is destruction taking place in europe. and europe in economy is faced with the impact and the consequences of this war. so therefore, following the u. s. policy is read out with any kind of criticism. that's a big mistake. and i do believe that the strategy the european union has been um, following in the recent um, one to 1000 days is a phase one is

a failed one. because europe, we come to a lot in the last, almost 3 years. and i do believe that instead of globalizing the conflict, the right strategy would have been to localize it. and to do everything in order to resolve it, to make peace. instead of, you know, uh, pouring oil on the fire, which has been the case. you know, we are the only country in your or your opinion, which has not delivered to the funds to we are the only country natal. almost the only one which speaks openly about the red lines which must be kept serious. and we are the ones to speak openly about with our assessment that nato is a defense alliance and not an ethics alliance. in the upcoming days, we will have many debates. i guess in europe because we have,

we're assuming a serial coming. nato mean serial coming. so that'd be possibly bates and we are praying really very hard that onto the 20th of january. nothing happens. which would make things easier. reverse or, or you obviously tulips are about how budapest has become almost and voice in europe and stuff. well and months, many western nations, when it comes to the ukraine issue, i mean, the open has been many opposed to pumpkin cube with weapons. he's also very, very critical of any idea of sending foreign troops to the country only to as quote, peacekeepers will actual come by units. but then like you will said, on the other hand, we do have players and all you can say that, but i'll say it baltic states, for example, the u. k, which they've, they've gone down to different policies, seemed in between the drums of war. and they, they've been advocated for sending

a nato troops. the, when you in these meetings, what do you make of that all 2 months and as we speak now, how great do you think the dangers of europe being dropped into a full will with rush? and i say full quite specifically, because obviously many would argue that russia is ready at will with, with the west coming parts don't have much to himself just a few days ago. well, uh you might remember when um our prime minister has visited the must call during the summer. i was on there to accompany him on his meeting the president boynton. and you might remember that you just check on him to check on him on his government, on our country for a weird thing. moscow and the completing were trying to complete a b solution. so you will see that there are many pro, more politicians in your and there are many extremely pro for politicians in new

york, but additions in europe. when i say it's uh on the meetings of the foreign affairs council with other fort administrators on listen to some i'm so sad that such kind of extreme pro war positions are present. so that's why, that's why we paid a lot of, you know, attentional. what would be happening in the united states? because if president trump has a not one now we might be involved in something which we would never want to be involved in. but the president from entering office. i think we have a good hope that the piece will come instead of europe would be driving to a uh, into a full scale more. but i think that even speaking about sending troops is extremely dangerous. because we have seen in the recent days,

weeks and months that even a piece of miscommunication or misunderstanding can be extremely dangerous. so therefore, the veterans of politic shows uh have a weight even on their piece with circumstances, but think they some of them or isn't not just the weight, but is there risk as well? and everybody should be aware of that. then sometimes i have the feeling that it is not everybody who's available in that or even verse they are, they are. but they say this deliberately. that's why i've seen that now. everybody who was in favor of peace must increase the volume. i mean, the hungry has become a bit of a rogue act in brussels. if you don't mind me say i have 60 i should have she know what we love black sheets. so very well. we're very happy about that. but advocating for economic me trying to like you coming here, businesses business, but also against block confrontation, whether that's the gates to russia without states. china for example, as well. um,

how difficult has it been to resist the pressure and just from an inside this perspective, i understand you comfortable. so all the secret support goes on. but just a sense of really how much people to mom. but one times the like, you know, it's a huge sheep walker, so there because of those who are advocating against us with those, we usually compete for those investments which are coming from china to europe. so currently 44 percent or more chinese investments targeting europe. i'm not targeting hungry and that makes a lot of other countries, very, very jobs. why? because these investments are very mother in ones. these investments are investments into the future. these investments are state of the arts, creating thousands of new jobs, offering good sellers. so other countries want that as well. so why are the german

4 administered speak? some of the coupling via risk inc. installation of the, you know, less than a nice don't you call them is if you come to hungry, you'll see the chinese under germany, factories being constructed next to each other. you'll see the chinese companies supplying the germans, making them successful, vice versa. so this is not, this is how diverse normally on the field of everyday life. so for us, so for us economy and the energy must not be a matter of political ideology for us. this is physical unless somebody go reality period and we don't, we don't let ourselves have been driving to a um, a debate on this deal is difficult basis because for example, energy. i mean, whether you can heat your house or flat measure to kinda run your economy, be depressed conference with the philosophical debate with a press statement. it's impossible with the gas, we don't the nuclear fuel. well, that's the way so, so therefore, for us economy consolidate is common sense,

is common sense. don't confuse, of things which have nothing to do with. the ideal audrey die village in particular from that of course, is usually the average person who pays the price of i don't see, i mean, you look at john again, but also to look at this actually look at the central regimes, the function regimes of the european union ended up in extremely high inflation, extremely high energy prices, food prices. and these are all paid by the citizens by the volkswagen sheltering 3 factories. length of time, she tens of thousands for moving some of that production facilities outside of the ex wife, while mercy. this is building a 2nd factor in hungary why bmw is constructing it's new factory and hungry. why are the biggest electric bothering manufacturers are constructing their factories in hungary might make sense to think about why i'm sold on hungry? i'm using congress timing now to another big story that we, i think i really would like to touch upon quite divided one to the events that are

unfolding in georgia in tbilisi. uh, 4 nights, 4 or 5 nights of terrible protests. what's the view or from budapest, i'm with a very simple, very simple um, if it had to be in the position to when that actual that would be no protests. that would be no external pressure. and everybody, everybody would praise the fund bostic shape of the georgia democracy. but it's not. brussels is not washington, it's not the lien is not very useful besides, but the georgia people, the 200 people made a very clear decision. high turn out more than 50 percent support to the ruling party period. that shouldn't be respected. my problem is that this is very general in your in the case, it is not the liberals to win in the election on the democratic nature of the whole concern to hold political system is being questioned immediately. if it is, uh,

i believe it or else the when everything's fine. if it's betsy else the when, if it is conservative story and if it is the right thing to him, the nature of democracy is immediately question. and this is both an acceptable photo. and so look at arcus, who got arcus, we have been under attack for the last 15 years, into your opinion. we have been under financial sanctions. why? because we are not ready to speak according to the liberal, may assume you're not ready to act according to the liberal my screen we are concerned with. it's betsy. i think for us national interested in number one for us family consists of the mother and the father and the children. the father is a man, mother is a woman. and now you're in a you quote because of o. s the protect our children. we protect our country, we protect our border and we are under financial services. if, if the opposition has one in georgia, everybody would, would be so happy with the fantastic shape of the georgia in democracy. that's okay . and of course, did you estimate the very mainly an interesting situation that ensued developing?

it's kind of an election season parliamentary election seem to have gone to the pro e u pro atlantic direction policy. but the presidential vote is already a bit scouts. and this the 1st round, because an on people, nato critic, one and immediately we hubs cools for an interference. he's pro russia, of the vote count was recount, was awarded. and we're expecting a decision from the top romanian colt about whether the boat should be an old at all. i mean, what does not say about the state of the box, but also of course the moved amongst romanians as well. first of all, for us on gary, unless the, the parliament in parliament, the elections were more important in disregard. and the party of the hung areas has that you'd have fantastic results about 6 percent of the votes making

a very strong representation and a strong voice. somebody hung gary on this and they do cross bar limits and that's very, very important. and i think we should leave it to the romanians to be signed in the seconds around whom they want. i mean, you know, it's like in general, um, i think that mutual respect should come back to, to international political life. and i usually refrain from making comments on domestic issues of other countries because, i mean, there are the citizens. they have to make decisions as they're hung area of citizens making decisions about the future of hungary, which will not be questioned and challenged by, by anyone. so for us, the great it was, it hung up, it was made a good performance on the parliamentary elections and the remaining is we'll decide soon on the 2nd round of the present a short extra post to home for you. um, something that's kind of developing at the moment. hm. gary and media citing intelligence offices. they've reported that they're in touch with the slovak

counterparts, discussing possible threats of attacks to energy infrastructure. of course we saw on sunday the a part of the troops by pipeline. very important, of course. the hungarian energy security part in poland was damaged. i mean, who i mean, i know i understand you don't want to hypothesize but fine. then i'll ask you what could possibly be the goal behind actors who are concocting these kinds of thoughts? well, serious um the north stream was blowing up. we have to take the issue of protection of critical energy infrastructure. extremely serious, extremely serious, especially especially, and it's really all traces, but even on the, on the very day, it was not investigated seriously. who has committed a service attack against the critical europe getting production. but since then,

we have to be aware of the risk being put on uh on the energy infrastructure in our neighborhood. so we have to be the authentic, we have to be or we have to take care of this and you have to prove, apply his rifle from our perspective, no question. and i do hope, i do hope that all countries various pipeline run through do their best in order to prevent any such effects. and finally, i'm show many uh would consider you a very brave man self because here you are in russia, the most sykes and country on us. i noticed in the winter, which is always a brace move, but also of course at a time of who you're talking to me, you're talking to oxy, which of hard is the global media prya? so much say that the pressures ministry of defense apparently has got a special unit dedicated to trying to silence us. but we've been by and we've been blocked. we've been smith. what was your reaction when you're up to call

t off of the weights? and how did it tale with, of course, the principles of free speech which brussels claims that needs to champion. of course, this is almost under as a bulk or say, because of those europeans who love to teach everyone. they love to refer certain values among them, feed or speech and freedom of media. and they usually attack others based on those principles. but when they look at themselves, they can not be too self confident either. so for us sanctioning church sports media energy always raises serious question marks. and i do hope that soon the view, it gets rid of all these sanctioned measures because they have caused more harms to the european union. then to rush likes. well, i will say very much hope that they realize in the space because i will be on the

1st flight to budapest. all right. it has been an absolute pleasure to meet you. thank you so much. i will be to sell to administer for the past and try to phone. great, thank you. all right, thank you so much. the, the russian states never as tight as on one of the most sense community. best english. i'll send, send up the, in the system to progress be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on russia cruising and supports the r t. suppose next,

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