the toyota tell us closer to the 5 georgia dream, hockey, respecting the will of the people, the wills who some 100000 protesters in the country up to almost 4000000 people. it's that logic is to be applied in president macro. the phone should have stepped on during the yellow vest protests. you call them and should have diesel following months. riley's overcoat restrictions on. all of this comes as the west. this is make a real reason. it wants the georgian government to phone. it's an easy that relations with most go, i've been pre united states with their colleagues in europe, have a long strong instead, best friends to the people of georgia. unfortunately, this powerful bond has recently come under the withering attack of the ruling georgia dream party. the georgia dream government has openly renounce the longstanding democratic and euro atlantic choice as the georgia and people ran

a put and ask style find agent law to parliament. the united states must not allow this attack on georgia in democracy and it 0 atlantic future to go on. and so the, in your says to just call to think can be cleared. but only if it does. isaac's told that the government resigns, that most a mac said to uphold traditional values, the dismantled georgian p. m. a has described this as a walk man. um is we're using to fax down, you know, for me with an issue with its we will continue to move towards the european union. but we will not allow anyone to constantly keep us under a mode of black males and manipulations which is completely offensive to our country. and society as a way, pushes cool its way on the highway as it continues to demand move process in georgia. is it not the west and baffled the,

the by default city is hosting the huge task them here and not the other way around the reporting for all t from to b c. well, those are just a few of the stories that we're keeping an eye on this not state. so fall was a wednesday. i think i just got that too. oh no to to come. let's just click wait, check it out. have a great day. the welcome to draw stuff were all things are considered. i'm peter lebeau. literally, this is a case of an unfinished business. the international dirty proxy war against syria

has been re ignited on this the addition of the program. we examined why this is happening, the actors involved, and who benefits the pro, sucking syria, i'm joined by my guess about my son in berlin. he is founder of seriana analysis. in b route. we have valley risky as a security and political affairs analyst and will talk to you. we cross the, steven cc me. he's an award winning journalist and chief editor of mid east this course. alright, gentlemen, prospect rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciated. right. start out in berlin motor could um we had um, um jake sullivan, come out. and the last new cycle saying that the us will cry about the pressure syria is facing chrome, and it will kind of link a group, the h t s. here. of course he didn't use the world a word i'll tell you that he does said opposition. uh to the government in damascus

. what is your take on this? i mean, there's so many moving pieces. we have air to one. there's apparently a signed off on this. so signing away the entire a standard process. they run the russians, but so much time into we obviously know there is and is really hand in here because of the timing of it immediately after the cease fire or truce in 11 on the this is unfinished business. as i said in my introduction, go ahead to exactly a picture. i just wanna mention a few things for us about jason, yvonne jackson, yvonne sent an email to hillary clinton in february 2012 saying that the guy that is on our side in syria. the former special amboy after u. s. james jeffrey said to be asked to join on his gang has been an asset for us to strategy and see that. so putting this into a context in the current circumstances in the region. this attack came with a direct participation of the turkish intelligence they have on this,

this army of service, basically against other people. because they found this as a perfect timing. and there wasn't much sort of ground between them and is right in the region for ever gone. he is preparing for the transitional period. thrombus coming to the region also to the presidency. and he wants to impose certain compromises also in syria. so he is trying to solve the fight, his position on to negotiation table and having better cards for the future. compromises will settlements into each other at the same time when the seaside agreement has been, allegedly, let's say you're forced in the live on, on the, is really isn't the american send messages to the most coast that they have found to they have to participate in the 65 agreement by imposing a siege on his belie, in order to degrade the strength of his but allow me to terminate and politically. and i saw that rejected that therefore, this attack came at the perfect time to exert pressure upon us up to accept in participating in the siege on his will. and you feel followed the pattern of the

advances of the immediate tense from did live to hama, and they were intending on going to homes. they wanted to create a beds of the siege, immediate and siege on live on, on something that the americans cannot do by themselves or debates for the is rarely so they use this book says and this was then what sort of ground the americans, the turks, and these writers came to the same conclusion, so they came in once again to be starting. these raging change were once again in syria. well, really, i mean, if it is a continuation of the dirty proxy war, this started in 35 to 7. i seem to remember very clearly that one of the a is maybe the primary home is not only removing aside from power in damascus, but to the, to partition of syria into different staple, its sweet little state lips that could be easily controlled and manipulated from the outside, i mean clerks is talking about this belt and that makes perfect sense to me. but is

that the permanent or semite permanent solution to the, the problems that they particularly like the, the term see. and of course we is really wants to have as blog cut off from syria and thrust into us a bit ran mean what, what is the goal here? i mean, i understand what's going on, but what do you, what's the duration and, and, and who's good to enforce this new reality. if this, even a reality is going to stick, go ahead. i'm not sure that you can. optic can i tire carrier goal because there's so many policy is on each one that has a different approach on the turkey for example, and wants to expand its problem influence in syria via the muslim brotherhood. israel's focus is on cutting any warranty, right? and so what is some counter him? how's the law? now, do you wish to take your law? i think it's in a bind distorted situation, which i envy at all. feel free to have it states the us because it mates age to yes

. i know for you to show um full money on the floor as a terrorist organization. uh so you can go to whole police support. what a sighting place that would expose to united states has been very hypocritical, hypocritical on this finds that on the way, play it out to game 2011. we'll have to 2011 when the obama administration is spoke about. vanessa can save of presenting the best time to lease time on the same time, you know, in washington were staying homeless. so he's a terrorist organization, homeless stuff was fighting against associated with the syrian government. so you have a very complicated picture. uh, they might do. i think that there are certain policies very do want to president bush auto restaurant, police power, and i think this royal comes of the top of the list. the fact that president press has resisted the holy efforts to break off from a wrong. and it's interesting that this, these develop in this type place, often,

nathaniel, who et cetera, one of the goals behind stopping the confrontations, and one of them was to dedicate more resources to count them here. well, i think what's taking place in syria copy of separated from that. i'll also point out to the fact that it's been documented. and then there's randy's headquarter data, the corporation be with these palm beach including bundle sauce. so i believe that the washington will be wise to starting the distance itself. this is randy who is on the which can the young guy think will on the line your wish to interest that one. you know, it's fairly somewhat up. can i stick that when trump comes to a power, he might not take the situation. so usually it'll be like jack sullivan is signing with one cry about what is taking place. they might be more americans for us to approach if you would like in dealing with these events. well, even if, if they were american 1st agenda, then 1st the american troops with leaves syria,

which are the, are there illegally under international law. and you know, we have our colleagues kind of prioritize is b is riley's um, basically calling the shots of course, using proxies. and that's major proxy in this case is turkey. turkey is made a, a major if it's not stable decision. i mean, it would be, it didn't make any real friends doing this in the air to one himself, after all, and his bluster about the on the palestinians and the, the of the whole of the genocide and god. so i mean, he looks more than hip with in a hypocrite in my eyes. go ahead, steve. a orchestra or the gun 1st of all or the gun. he has a, he is the number one cause of what's happening in syria. and he had the roles and the ones here since 2011. that's what's happening today. he he'd want his image and he took the, oh,

in my opinion he cut all ties. he like there's no hole to the relationship and never come back. and especially like today, or you're seeing if anyone knows the this theaters are back by you by 13, on the other hand. okay. it looks like we have a small problem with, uh, steven. um, can you, can you where they'll react to that? i mean, turkeys, role and all of this because it's going to burn bridges. i mean, i think that the person's name is most angry about how to hook this up. and besides the people that are victims of this terrace organization is vladimir putin. he invested a lot elaborate between 2 exactly, i think po, to uh, what the other guy has done terrified everyone in the region, including also what i found it on. saw the end, it'd be on d, u e in 2011, 2012. most of the sort of the congress were in support of the what they called the rebels. now they say they support this, even the army against terrorism in 20112012. they kicked city out of the, on

a blick to cut ties, the imposing bible on syria in every shape and form. now they say they're supporting the most close against terrorism. the reason for that is gathered on has made the boat decision to go into syria occupied largest west of territory is and if he manages will, succeeds in syria, he could cause the trip on other neighboring countries, especially jordan, because these are in this are trying to create an alternative state for the palestinians, enjoy them. so if he moves in syria, him coordination with these variety is like he is doing at the current moment. descript pulls a trip on the saw this and the jordanians, and to this will see turkey as it i've always since the days of the ultimate empire . so if he manages in serial, he quit the impulse usage them on the, on the rest of the other poor. it's something that nobody wants to see except for cats are, well, um, holy do exactly. i mean, you know, everyone may have these ambitions, but i don't see anybody really on board. um,

uh to, to see these ideas comfortably. this has been in neil, autumn and there's some, isn't it? a, m d it's, i think, give all right, some very important points the of the set on our gulf countries which used to be on board then the attempts to house to present in most of the no longer uh, a 1st and foremost the, i say heard of him, that's to what i said the degree in saudi arabia. so there are a lot less players who are wanting to become involved in such adventures. but i think this is something which you also have to factor in by the way. when you want to separate what trunk is going to do it because it's well known that trump has a very good ties with these out of stage, like saudi arabia, like the here. why a lot of the country. so uh, with that in mind, how far are risk from going to go? been supporting tentative benches and it took a slab of his reading of adventures in syria. i might so i don't think that his

necessarily going to be dumped into his yesterday regarding go, assuming such plans out. i think here that tom you're probably not going to see a repetition above you sold during the obama administration. when obama said the president, i saw that has to leads i think this time is going to different some more for reasons related to the lack of how lies compared to it before. kind of also some other reasons i think correlated to donald trump supposedly personal approach or symptoms for him, but what he used to say and his 1st to him about all i think we're ready. cool. new stomach, tara, here's the coolant between the meditations. now regardless of bi reservations with using such them a lot of the but it does appear to realize the danger in supporting such groups and how that could backfire against us. thing for us as a whole. well either or unless we're almost to the break, but i mean there's, there's a theory and what he looked into is political opposition just wants to create more

and more problems for trump busy come ins comes into office. do you think there's an element of that or a this is a, just an extension of the regionalization of the conflict. i think that com be rules though. i think it's quite comfortable there isn't hold on to because from what i see a bite and is trying to also subatomic trumps epis regarding russia record. what is the new plan, how it is providing them with repetition. so with that in mind, i think you're comfortable now, but here's going to do the same thing. well, might be involved in the same kinds of attempts. well, so, when serious incidental, you mentioned the issue of the english withdrawing its troops, according to robert kennedy was one of the members of the camera to develop lee. and i have to go to a hard break right here. gentlemen, we're going to go to a hard break, and after that break will continue our discussion. i'm sorry to stay with our to the

what else? they just don't have to shape house because after kids and engagement trails, when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look so common ground the the will connect across the corner. all things are considered. i'm peter la belcher line. you were discussing syria. the reason i want to go back to eileen before you went to the break, you were making a point about the illegal occupation of american troops and syria. a go ahead. oh yes, i was saying that um,

let's say look at the statements made by seeing the highest president elect from black robert kennedy, who is one of those senior i 6. they said that um trump is seriously considering the withdrawal from syria. uh so you know, these might be a type of small divided by the deep state in order to keep america in one way or another in voters within the slate in holy moly and also, and besides the speeds here. and can also can be a test of how much a swaying engineer who has over truck that might be his 1st cash. so you're good to go along with this. okay. i mean, that's going to be very interesting and that's not going to go down very well with the drum space, but we're not there. yeah, we're not in january. you know, steve. oh, you know, it's already been mentioned here. i mean, this is also again, but clearly against being ran and clearly against frustrated because at 1st blush, the 1st reaction that we got from think tank is stand. and as i call it is that the russians are preoccupied. the radiance are preoccupied. this is an opportunity and

everyone is the greatest opportunity as of all time. go ahead. speed. uh, this is uh, this is not about the city and uh, military and opposition. just from the one uh, from the 1st 2nd. the set back happened of uh, i'll keep buying that level from this. i had some these blood thirsty terrorist is if there's a lot of intelligent tour from one side, it's that americans is really ukrainians to enter case on one side, a war against a soon army, a sorry was seen in government, russian, and a new is. so it is actually, you can say a small world war, but it's happening on the inside of the city and land and the this will not end until the going to be in the, in a minute. the only tested in politically and i see the only way to escape the situation was going to continue until january 20. so because you do not see from

one thing to spend that that's for your money to support and pay these uh, these books are city terrace at the same time. the area of the rich countries. they don't want any danger and they don't want anything douglas. and their country is so also the oprah show united states to put an end to all of this madness that biden and are gone, is it started while you come, or if you were gonna find out, we know that i felt his role during this 1st administrations there is a very important example. he can you know util, they're the one sure the troops away he been then of course, depends on people blockchain and then moving to find out if that's gonna happen again. but we know we do have statements coming out of the capitals and the region here. and i remember very famously to them said that they would not allow them damascus to fall. i heard that again in the last new cycle. what does that mean in the context of 2024 going into 2025. actually the front line center

headlines have been set by the most close it on and most school or the current moment it is going to be a northern come. the militants cannot move forward from northern. how about to come? i would ok by homeless because they want to know for is the strategic let's say, uh, results or the help to quote the goal of this attack. and that is too okay. bye holmes . and instead of go live on and each side most go the most schools and you know, they all have different, let's say interest, but they have much, were drowned in this, in my opinion, it is going to be very, very difficult. now for to see an army to move forward in from how much of a liberal, because the americans are determined also to open a 2nd fund now from the south, with a in, in hold on where the needed that are aware of the militants have joined the reconciliation process and they're managing that on a for, as they're, and they still have weapons in their hands. and a, you have issued the statement that they're going to much to the us go. so syrian

army is all of us to based it, it has to protect them us coast, which is the strategic place, and they have to protect the capital. and at the same time they have to protect the red line and that is hema. therefore, we did, i left the key and the money is and other soldiers to syria. it is going to have somebody in part, but i don't want to send the illusions to the people. this is going to take months and months and months and probably years in order to move forward in advance to other people or to it live. therefore, people also are waiting and expecting for a trump to come to, to power in a game, because he's administration j. d events and artist gave both mentioned syria twice, that a trump wanted to be true and the deepest they didn't allow him to withdraw from celia in the past. and it seems that trump wants to withdraw from syria. and that is why aragon has taken this decision to go very fast and capture as much as many territory as possible before the time of the compromise. but this has learned many,

many copy those that i'm the word there they're gone is it's very difficult to. it's very difficult to really make deals with him because he's just like the west. they don't respect the deals. they don't respect the agreements under little space international, or that if you don't have a military power to enforce the agreements, then you wouldn't be a trade means, go on means to syria, stein associates, all these agreements are now in the being. and there has to be new agreements now what each to between just different parties, you know, only, and i can't help. it's feel that the live and particularly the americans of the outgoing by the administration. and obviously they walk from all the damn if they are coming to trump in ministration as much as they can, as they did. and after the 2016 election, the origins of the russia gave scandal that plague does administration for over 2 years. and i can help to think that people are trying to force issues and ask about

it just pointed out, i mean, they think it and i will remember what i meant. but i'm sure all of us remember the hard hard slug work to liberate the level. and then in, you know, in like 36 hours it was go and i'm going to have to go through that again. a specific question to wiley. but i was looking at some of these videos being posted online and social media of the h t s, as they call themselves now. they have a lot of sophisticated harp where i was really surprised. where does that come from? the man, the lies as well alive, ministry to your turnkey. i mentioned this to you, they read on the southern american reports which say that some american weapons have sold and into the hands of some of these palm groups as dice. so yeah, so let me just see if it seems to be documented. um it was a um, diverted, arms transfer from ukraine. keep going. yeah. yeah. so the various players from

which of these weapons can come from, but uh, going back to what cable was saying, i think that um, there is going to be a difficulty or challenge just for the serial military on the ground. so various reasons. first and foremost, it was below that was being instrumental in being the fighting force, the land fighting force previously during the conflict now, husband law and he is in a state of wolf. it's a big it became available for me to become heavily involved in serial. once again, now do your walk you through the sun, a rock, a moves coming in, but those are the few hundreds they saw clear how much are they going to be able to make a difference and they are far less battle skills if you would like to compare the husband law. so i think this is going to be going to affect the really heavily on how the situation cables on the ground, whether or not the syrian god is going to be able to take it back. those territories, which was seized by these groups. so a, steven, so how do i,

how does this phase? and i mean, is the mass discuss going to be literally and figuratively under siege of, in a who, who's counting um in a rainy and intervention of one form or another? because that's what they want to. okay. they, they, they can and because they want, they, they want a strategic defeat for to them. they want us to teach a good feed from us, go never changes. it's always the same playbook, maybe different players on the ground. steven, as well as keyboard. and ali said that to his beloved today, he cannot interfere and that, you know, and uh, we might see yes, evening and uh on the draw on the ground has to come in. because uh, you don't have to, you still don't have as the least said. they don't have that much training to see on the after 5th. that's the problem. is this year at all. i mean, after 15 years, um there's this diary study because the d. r a military of government.

they are not a melissa melissa. they can know very easily. we are talking about an army of a gun that's been fighting terrorism for 15 years. they've been scattered all over the country in the eastern, the south and the north. so we cannot blame the city or army, or we cannot put our hopes up so much under the sea. i mean, because they did do it, they can. and when they did what they're doing, what they can do without the help, they are unable to enter this war without the help of the allies. everyone is in, it's been in moscow in your, on, in your argument doesn't deluxe, whoever needs to pick up the weapon and then come to the site. because if the, if the serial last has not started, they're going to go to next to your off in here. on the next they'll go country by country. so that is why everyone, if they want to save their own country, they should come and participate and help the student government and fight this and

find the stairs them, and fight this works to defeat or to the gods post causing due to scales is, are done but at the same time, i do see a, a change that's celia today is uh uh, i mean in the middle or when the war started say it was alone or it only had the on, on its side and dropped it off. now, we are seeing a politically having big support, especially add a button to the airbag and the country is so up to kill. politics may have a role by pressuring the circuit pressuring or the gun. but as i said in the end, to win this, to win what's happening and when this bottom you have to be strong on the battlefield. so you can have to be able to negotiate. and if it's our full situation and do i do not see the present, i saw i was going to sit on the table at this time, especially while or the gun this putting his conditions. that's what i'm going to have. and celia, i don't think anyone anyone's gonna sit at the table where they are, the one for

a long time club meeting real quick before we in the program. nothing. yeah. who's getting bitten in god so it has failed. it's gambling against as blogs, fail, survival. this from succeed actually, we don't know yet how is this going to and i'm calling in my contacts in syria and the situation is very dire. and um we have a whole tools that different plans and how would we just do it? and we'd spend this uh, this attack if uh, how about columbus, then this is going to habits and i mean effect on other regions the same. and i mean, as i mentioned, it's a, it's a state official army, it's not the some unit that is a pro that is getting paid to fight. after 15 years of conscription and fighting good every every day and without any thing and to be threatened like this is not like some mail it to the unit to or less than any army we child the professionals and it's a bit, but it's not as if they get rotations, i know exactly,

and they have not to pay the jump in here. we've run out of time. fascinating discussion. i want to thank my guess in berlin bay wrote in in the talk to you. and of course, we want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time, remember, that was the the, the,

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