the, the the welcome to problems stuff where all things are considered. i'm peter lebeau. literally, this is a case of unfinished business, the international dirty proxy war. again, syria has been re ignited on this the addition of the program. we examine why this is happening, the actors involved, and who benefits the pro, searching syria,

i'm joined by my guess caloric asylum in berlin. he is founder of seriana analysis . in b route. we have valley risky as a security and political affairs analyst and will talk to you. we cross the steve and see me. he's an award winning journalist and chief editor of mid east this course. alright, gentlemen, prospect rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciated. right. start out in berlin motor could um we had um, um jake sullivan, come out. and the last new cycle saying the us will cry about the pressure. syria is facing chrome and it will kind of link a group the h t s here. of course he didn't use the world a word ok that he just said opposition a to the government in damascus. what is your take on this? i mean, there's so many moving pieces, we have air to one, there's apparently assigned off on this. so signing away the entire, a standard process. they write the russians, but so much time into we obviously know there is and is really hand in here because

of the timing of it immediately after the cease fire or truce in 11 on the this is unfinished business. as i said in my introduction, go ahead to exactly pictures. i just want to mention a few things for us about jason, yvonne jackson over on sent an email to hillary clinton in february 2012 saying that guy that is on our side in syria. the former special amboy of to u. s. james jeffrey said to be asked to joel on his gang has been an asset for us to strategy and see that so putting this into a context in the current circumstances in the region. this attack came with a direct participation of the turkish intelligence. they have on least this army of service, basically against article because they found this as a perfect timing and there wasn't much were ground between them and is right in the region for ever gone. he is preparing for the transitional period. thrombus coming to the region also added to the presidency and he wants to impose certain compromises also in syria. so he is trying to solve the fight,

his position on to negotiation table and having better cards for the future. compromises will settlements into each other at the same time when the seaside agreement has been, allegedly, let's say you're forced in the live on, on the strategies and the american send messages to the most coast that they have found to they have to participate in the 65 agreement by imposing a siege on his belie, in order to degrade the strength of his but allow me to terminate and politically. and i saw that rejected that therefore, this attack came at the perfect time to exert pressure upon us up to accept in participating in the siege on case will not. and you feel followed the pattern of the advances of the immediate ends from it left to hum and they were intending on going to homes. they wanted to create a beds of the siege, immediate and siege on live on, on something that the americans can not do by themselves or debates for the is rarely so they use this book says,

and this was then what sort of ground the americans, the turks and these writers came to the same conclusion. so they came in once again to be starting. these raging change were once again in syria. well, really, i mean, if it is a continuation of the dirty proxy war, this started in 35 to 7. i seem to remember very clearly that one of the aims maybe the primary, hey, is not only removing aside from power in damascus, but to the, to partition of syria into different staple, its sweet little state lips that could be easily controlled and manipulated from the outside i mean clerks is talking about this belt and that makes perfect sense to me. but is that the permanent or semite permanent solution to the, the problems that they particularly like the, the chart to see. and of course we, israel wants to have, as will all cut off from siri and thrust into us, they ran mean what, what is the goal here? i mean, i understand what's going on, but what do you, what's the duration and,

and, and who's going to enforce this new reality? if this, even a reality is going to stick, go ahead. i'm not sure that you can. optic, can i tire carrier goal? because sarah, so many policy is on each one that has a different approach on the turkey for example, and wants to expand its problem influence in syria via the muslim brotherhood. israel's focus is on covering it right for you, right? and so what is some counter and how's the law now, do you wish to take a while? i think it's in, i'm buying this sort of situation, which i envy at all. feel free to have it states the us because it mates age to yes . i know for you to show um full money on the floor as a terrorist organization. uh so you can go to the police support what a sighting place that would expose to united states as being very hypocritical, hypocritical on this same sit on the way, play it out to game 2011. we'll have to 2011 when the obama administration is spoke

about. vanessa can save of presenting the best time to lease time on the same time, you know, in washington were staying homeless. so he's a terrorist organization. homeless stuff was fighting against associated with the syrian government. so you have a very complicated picture. uh, it might do. i think there are certain policies very do want to president bush shorter lesser police power. but i think this royal comes of the top of the list. the fact that president press has resisted the holy efforts to break off from a wrong. and it's interesting that this, these develop in this take place, often, nathaniel, who et cetera. one of the goals behind stopping the confrontations, and one of them was to dedicate more resources to count them here. well, i think what's taking place in syria, probably a separate from that. i'll also point out to the fact that it's spinning documented . and then there's randy's headquarter data,

the corporation be with these palm beach including unless it offs so high believe that washington will be wise to starting the distance itself. us formula is randy. and those on the which can be young, i think, will undermine your waste interest. that one, you know, it's fairly somewhat up can i stick that when trump comes to power, he might not take the situation. so usually it'll be like jack sullivan is signing with one crime about what is taking place. they might be more americans for us to approach if you would like in dealing with these events. well, even if, if they were american 1st the agenda, then 1st the american troops with leaves syria, which are the, are there illegally under international law. and you know, we have our colleagues kind of prioritized as b as riley's um, basically calling the shots of course, using proxies. and that's major proxy. and this case is turkey. turkey is made a major if it's not stable decision, i mean, it would be,

it didn't make any real friends doing this. and here's the one himself. after we have all this bluster about the on the palestinians and then the of the whole of the genocide and god. so i mean he looks more than hip within a hypocrite in my eyes. go ahead, steve. uh, orchestra or the gun. first of all or the gun, he has a, he is the number one cause of what's happening in syria. and he had the rule and the on serious since 2011. that's what's happening today. he. he's one of his image and he took the oh, in my opinion he cut all ties. he like there is no to uh, the relationship will never come back. and uh, especially like today your see if anyone knows, uh, this uh, theaters are back by uh, by 13 um the other half the oh okay. it looks like we have a small problem with, uh, steven. um, can you, can you where they'll react to that?

i mean, turkeys, role and all of this because it's going to burn bridges. i mean, i think that the person's name is most angry about this. and besides the people that are victims of this terrace organization is vladimir putin. he invested a lot elaborate between tip exactly. i think po, to uh, what they're going to has done terrified everyone in the region, including also what i found it on solid. yeah, it'd be on the u. e. in 2011, 2012. most of the sort of the countries were in support of the what they called the rebels. now they say they support us even the army against terrorism in 20112012. they kicked city out of the, on a blick to cut ties. they impose embargo on syria in every shape and form. now they say they're supporting the most close against terrorism. the reason for that is gathered on has made the boat decision to go into syria. ok, part largest wealth of territory is. and if he manages will,

succeeds in syria take would close the trip on other neighboring countries, especially jordan, because these are in this are trying to create an alternative state for the palestinians in jordan. so if he moves in syria, him coordination with these variety is like he is doing at the current moment. descript pulls the trip on the saw, this and the jordanians, and to this will see turkey as an arrival since the days of the ultimate empire. so if he manages in serial, he quit the impulse, you see a gemini on the rest of the audit board, something that nobody wants to see except for cuts are well on holiday. exactly, i mean, you know, everyone may have these ambitions, but i don't see anybody really on board. um, uh, to, to see these ideas comfortably. this has been in neo auto municipal, isn't it is empty. it's, i think, give all right, some very important points the of the set on our gulf countries which used to be on board in the attempts to house to present in most of the no longer uh,

a 1st and foremost the, i say heard him that's to what i said, the degree of saudi arabia, so there are a lot less players who are wanting to become involved in such adventures. but i think this is something which you also have to factor in by the way. when you want to separate what trunk is going to do it, because it's well known that trump has a very good ties with these out of stage, like saudi arabia, like the here why a lot of the country. so with that in mind, how far are risk from going to go in supporting and kind of get adventurous and interpret slab of his reading of adventures in syria? i might so i don't think that is necessarily going to be a down into his yesterday regarding go, assuming such plans out. i think here that tom, he'll probably not going to see a repetition above you sold during the obama administration. when obama said the president, i saw that has to leads. i think this time is going to different some more for

reasons related to the lack of how long as compared to it before. kind of also some other reasons i think related to donald trump supposedly personal approach or symptoms for him. but what he used to say in his 1st to him about, well, i think we're ready cool, new static tara, who used to coolant between the rotations. now regardless of bi reservations of using such them along as anybody does appear to realize the danger in supporting such groups and how that could backfire against your wisdom for us as a whole. well, legal, unless we're almost in the break. but i mean there's, there's a theory and why do you walk in this political opposition? just wants to create more and more problems for trav. busy come ins comes into office. do you think there's an element of that or, and this is a, just an extension of the regionalization of the conflict. or i think that com be a little now. i think it's quite comfortable. there isn't hold on to because from what i see

a bite and is trying to also subatomic trumps epis regarding russia. look at what is the new plan, how it is providing them with repetition. so with that in mind, i think you're comfortable now, but he is going to do the same thing well, might be involved in the same kinds of attempts. also, in serious incident to you mentioned the issue of the english withdrawing his troops, according to robert kennedy was one of the members of to come to develop now. and i have to go to a hard break right here. gentlemen, we're going to go to a hard break, and after that break will continue our discussion. i'm serious day with our to the if you think about russia, what is your mind picture the landscapes open up the phone lines.

the last one. just imagine the veto scott stats, the johnny, the, the you ready to come along the, the welcome back. across the quarter. all things are considered. i'm peter la belcher line. you were discussing syria, the, the

right. and i want to go back to all, even before you went to the break, you were making a point about the illegal occupation of american troops and syria. go ahead. oh yes, i was saying that, um you say look at the statements made by senior highest president electronic black, robert kennedy, who is one of those senior heights. he said that, um trump is seriously considering the withdrawal from syria. uh so you know, these might be times smite and by the date stay in order to keep america in one way or another in voters within the slate in holy moly. and also before i go to speech here, it can also can be a test of how much a swain engineer who has over trump, that might be his 1st cast. so you're good to go along with this. okay. i mean that, that's going to be very interesting and that's not going to go down very well with the drum space, but we're not there. yeah, we're not in january. you know, steve. oh, you know, it's already been mentioned here. i mean, this is also again, but clearly against being ran and clearly against frustrated because at 1st blush,

the 1st reaction that we got from think tank is standard is i call it is that the russians are preoccupied, the uranium so preoccupied. this is an opportunity and everyone is the greatest opportunity as of all time. go ahead, steven. this is a, this is not about the ceiling or military and i'll position this from the one the, from the 1st 2nd, this attack happened of occupying i level from this. i had some these blood thirsty terrorist is if there's a intelligent tour from one side, it's the americans is really ukrainian to enter case, whole month's side, a war against a soon army, a sorry is seen in government, russian, and a new is. so it is actually, you guys say a small world war, but it's happening on the inside of the city and land and the this will not end

until the going to be in the, in a minute. the only tested in politically and i see the only way to escape the situation is going to continue until january 20 because you do not see from one thing to spend that that's per your money to support and paid you sir. it is not sir city terrace. at the same time, the error of the rich countries, they don't want any danger and they don't want anything douglas, and their country is so also they'll pass. so united states to put an end to all of this madness that by then and or the started as well. yeah. because i think we're going to find out, we know that i felt was role during this 1st administrations. there is a very important example meeting you know util, they're the one sure the troops away he been then of course, depends on people blockchain and then leave it to find out if that's gonna happen again. but we know we do have statements coming out of the capitals and the region

here. and i remember very famously to them said that they would not allow them damascus to fall. i heard that again in the last new cycle. what does that mean in the context of 2024. going into 2025. actually the front line center headlines have been set by the most close it on and most cool at the current moment . it is going to be a northern come. the militants cannot move forward from northern. how about to how mode ok, by homeless, because they want to know for is the strategic, let's say, uh, results or the help to quote the goal of this attack. and that is 2 ok by homes and insur. go live on and each side most go the most schools and you know, they all have different, let's say in stress. but they have much were drowned in this, in my opinion, it is going to be very, very difficult. now for to see an army to move forward in from how much liberal, because the americans are determined also to open the 2nd funds now from the south, with a in, in hold on where the near that are,

where the militants have joined the reconciliation process. and they're managing that on a, for, as they're, and they still have weapons in their hands. and they have issued the statement that they're going to much to the school. so syrian army is one of us threats. it has to put the most cost, which is disrupted, take place and they have to protect the capital. and at the same time they have to protect the red line and that is hema. therefore, we did, i left the key and the money is and other soldiers to syria. it is going to have somebody in part, but i don't want to send the illusions to the people. this is going to take months and months and months and probably years in order to sever it in advance to add it on to it left. therefore, people also are waiting and expecting for a trump to come to, to power in a game, because he's administration j. d events and artist gave both mentioned syria twice, that a trump wanted to be true and the deepest they didn't allow him to withdraw from celia in the past. and it seems that trump wants to withdraw from syria. and that

is why aragon has taken this decision to go very fast and capture as much as many territory as possible before the time of the compromise. but this has learned many, many copies of those around the word aragon is it's very difficult to it's very difficult to really make deals with him because he's just like the west. they don't respect the deals. they don't respect the agreements under those base international order. if you don't have a military power to enforce the agreements, then you wouldn't be a trade means, go on means to syria, stein associates, all disagreements are now in the being and there has to be new arguments. now what each to between just different parties, you know, only, and i can help with feel that the live and particularly the americans, uh, the outgoing by the administration. and obviously they walk from all the damage they coming to trump in ministration as much as we can, as they did. and after the 2016 election,

the origins of the rest of the gates scandal bit played does administration for over 2 years. and i can help, but the thing that people are trying to force issues and ask about it just pointed out, i mean that's again, i will remember what i meant. but i'm sure all of us remember the hard hard slug work to liberate the level. and then in, you know, in like 36 hours a week ago, and i'm going to have to go through that again. a specific question to wiley. and i was looking at some of these videos being posted online and social media of the h t s. as they call themselves now, they have a lot of sophisticated harp where i was really surprised. where does that come from? the man, the law is as well alive, ministry to your turnkey. i mentioned this royal they, they read on the southern american reports which say that some american weapons have sold and into the hands of some of these palm groups as dice. so yeah. so let

me just see if just read it seems to be document that it was diverted. arms transfer from ukraine. keep going. yeah. yeah. so the, you know, various players from which of these weapons can come from. but uh, going back to what cable was saying, i think that, um, there is going to be a difficulty electronic just for the series in the military on the ground. uh so various reasons. first and foremost, it was below that was be instrumental in being of a fighting force, the land fighting force previously during the conflict now, husband law and he is in a state of wolf. it's a big it became available for me to become heavily involved in syria. once again, now the, your walk you through the sunny rock, a goose coming in, but those are the few hundreds. they're still clear. how much are they going to be able to make a difference, and they are far less bethel skilled. if you would like to compare the husband law . so i think this is going to be going to affect the reading heavily on how the

situation, cables on the ground and whether or not the syrian god is going to be able to take it back. those territories, which was seized by these groups. so stephen, so how do we, how does this phase? and i mean, is the mass discuss going to be literally and figuratively under siege of, in a who, who's counting um in a rainy and intervention of one form or another? because that's what they want to. okay. they, they, they can and because they want, they, they want a strategic defeat for to them. they want us to teach a good feed from us, go never changes. it's always the same playbook, may be different players on the ground. steven as well as keyboard and ali said that to his beloved today, he cannot interfere and uh, you know, and uh, we might see a ceiling and uh, on the draw on the ground has to come in, because uh, you don't have to,

you still don't have as uh they said they don't have that much training to see on the of the 5th. that's the problem. is this year at all. i mean, after 15 years, um, they're just tired. started it because they got a d, r, a military of a government. they are not melisha melisha, they can no great it easier. we are talking about an army of a gun big that's been fighting terrorism for 15 years. they've been scattered all over the country in the eastern, the south and the north. so we cannot blame the city or army, or we cannot put our hopes up so much on the bus here. i mean, because they did what they can and when they did, what they're doing would be, can do without the help. they are unable to enter this war without the help of the allies. everyone is in. it's been in moscow in your, on, in your, on even has biloxi, whoever needs to pick up, go up and, and come and fight. because if the, if so the share, your loss is not so bad, they're going to go through and it still, you're often here on the next,

they'll go country by country. so that is why everyone, if they want to save their own country, they should come and participate and help the student government and fight this and find the stairs them and fight this for the defeat or the gods. boost causing due to scales is, are done. but at the same time, i do see a change that's celia today is uh uh, i mean individual uh when the war started say it was alone or it only had the on, on its side and dropped it off. now we are seeing a politically having big support, especially at a button to the big and they had a country is so the, the kill politics may have a role by pressuring the circuit pressuring or the gun. but as i said in the end, to win this, to win what's happening and when this bottom you have to be strong on the battlefield. so you can have to be able to negotiate. and if it's our full

situation and do i do not see the present, i saw i was going to sit on the table at this time, especially while or the gun. this putting the hitch conditions. that's what i'm getting. and i would see. oh yeah, i don't think anyone anyone's gonna sit at the table with everyone for a long time. could you real quick before we in the program? nothing. yeah. who's getting bitten in god so it has failed. it scan begins as blogs fail, survival this from succeed. or actually we don't know yet how is this going to and i'm calling in my contacts in syria and the situation is very dire. and um, we have a whole tools that different plans and how would we just do it? and we'd spend this uh, this attack if uh, how about columbus. then this is going to habits and i mean effect on other regions to see it. i mean, as i mentioned, it's a, it's a state official army, it's not some unit that is a pro that is getting paid to fight. after 15 years of conscription and fighting good every every day and without any thing and to be thrown like this is not like

some mail it to the unit to or less than any army which have the professionals. and it's a base nowadays if they get rotations, i know exactly, and they have not to pay the jump in here. we've run out of time. fascinating discussion. i'm gonna thing my guess in berlin bay wrote in in batavia. and of course, we want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time, remember, knuckles the, [000:00:00;00] the 1937 militaristic, japan started

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