for beginning of our relations visits unplugged ministration. so i think that during the se, but this time president trump was elected on the explosive promise to bring an end to the war and ukraine. so i mean the said that in appearance after appearance. so given that there is hope for resolution, that sounds like what are the terms to which you would agree on the terms. so i basically alluded to them when the president boynton spoke in this ministry on the fortunes of june. uh, she wants to gain the read the rate that the 3 war rages negotiate on the basis of the principles which will agreed in this bundle and rejected by boys johnson the forwarding to the statement though they said the, you put it into the gauge and the g principal is uh no,

nothing deluxe stay til so feel free as we would be ready to be part of the group of countries who would provide collective security guarantees. so no, no, no, no, they don't absolutely know me the 3 basis. know, mean to 30 me the 3 exercise us on the ground, you know, so it will be as but dissipation of $4.00 and $4.00 in groups. and this is something which you hear and read the rate, but of course you said it was april 20 to $22.00. and now some time has passed. and the villages on the ground, what have to be taken into account and accept their religious on the ground are not on the line of contact, but also the changes in the russian constitution of the river here and there was scaled in the, near the skull bounced republic send ships on ends up arrows,

you regions. yes. and they are now part of the russian federation, according to the constitution. and this is area to, to and of course we cannot, we cannot. so i'm going to rate it. do you wish would keep of the village insulation, which i have come up with the pressure between the russian language, russian media, russian culture, the ukrainian orthodox church. because it is a violation of the obligations of ukraine. them that they've been shut there and somebody must be done about that. and the fact that the west, since the so, so for the legislature of the legislature offensive stuff in 2017, some of the rest are still at the silent and that the silent until now of course we

would have to pay attention to this in a very special way would dropping sanctions against russia be a condition uh, you know, i would, i would say probably many people in the rush of who would like to make it their condition. but the more we leave on the sanctions, the more we understand that that is better to rely on yourself and to develop mechanisms to develop blip forms for coal duration was normal. countries who are not unfriendly to you and not, and don't mix economic interest. and the policy has some, especially politics and uh, we look to lot of the essential stuff of center and stuff that done, the obama. they continue. it's in the very big way on the system of trump,

in this essential, it's on the, by the administration. i have some new if you on president the but the what doesn't kill you make makes you stronger, you know. and well, what else is brian was able to never kill us, so they're making us strong and driving, rushing east. and so the vision that i think same policy makers in washington had 20 years ago is why not bring rushed into a western block sort of as a balance against the rising east. and it, but it doesn't seem like that. do you think that's still possible? uh, i don't think so. when the reason slip, which end was uh uh, speaking good. uh well the club uh, adult logistics and experts. uh, she said we would never be back in the situation of only

2022. that's when she realized push himself up there and he's not the only she but she, she spoke publicly about this and that all attempts to be on equal terms with the west failed. it started in the after the demise of the soviet union. and there was you for a while now part of the a lead or a world, the democratic world in the few street. but very soon it was, it became clear to most of the russians and that uh, in the 9 inches, we would treat that as the best. as a junior part may have been multiplan, there's a box, but there's

a place we are in the west. can organize things like it's like it was a striking deals was oligarchs buying resources and assets. and then probably the americans decide that the rushes in their buckets bought a steel, some bill during the barges, laughing joking. but even at the end of the hill, some storm, she stopped to contemplate, the, this was not something she wanted for us. and i think this was a very old, this one she, uh, the point that puts in prime minister and then left it on the uh

and the blessed fortune a few successful for the election, some shortcoming guns which, which in one but when fortune became president a she was very much, both in the cold duration with the rest. and she mentions about this quite, quite regularly when she speaks of is interviewer so that some international, international events i was present when she met is george bush junior. is obama? well, after the meeting of nato, in bucharest, which was a company which was folded by natal rushing, meeting, some meetings in 2008. when they announced the georgia and ukraine will be

natal. and then they tried to sell it. we asked why? oh, there was lunch and put you in the us. what was the reason for this good question. and they said, you know, this assumption which is not obligatory. how come? well, you know, to start the process of joining nato. your needs, the formal invitation. and this is a slow bill, ukraine than georgia will be in need of, but this slogan, you know, became a procession for some people in the to be least the 1st one second should be the last few census and stuff of the war against his own people on the, the protection of oil, a c mission was the russian peacekeepers on the ground. and

the fact that she launched this was consumed by the european union and investigation of which they launched. and which concluded that she gave me the all the stuff and the for your brain is that took a little longer when the they will cultivating this pro western mode. well, for less than this, not that basic to the price. but there's also not that what is bad is that you felt people either or either hugo was mean or you might. and what happens before the, the code in your trade in 2013 of the president of ukraine's was a new state. you all know courtney each negotiate that was the right the and the union some association agreement which will notify various on most of the opinion goods

to the european union and then the other way around. and at some point, when she was meeting was we use the russian counterparts. so we told him, you have all the rates of ukraine. that was part of the free trade area of the commonwealth of independent states, no theaters for every but. and we russia negotiate that agreement with the world trade organization for some 1517 years, mostly because we were going to lose europe in the union and we achieved some protection for manual fall was sectors every couch of some others. and we explained to the ukrainians that if you go 0

in your trade was european union, we would have to protect our customs board. there was you was ukraine. otherwise the 0 there. if you're at the and go with sort floods and would be searching, go industries, which we try to protect and agreed for some protection that was suggested to the european union. guys, ukraine is our common neighbor. you're going to have a bet the trade was ukraine. we want to say, ukraine, want to have markets both in europe and in the russia. why don't we see 3 of us and discuss it like grownups. the head of the european council commission condition was the portuguese, but it was his name. then she responded. you know, it's not none of your business. what we do is you create uh, and then the uh,

the president of fuel tree yellow cartridge. he convinced us exports, and the expert said, yes, that would be not very good. you for, you have opened the board, the was, was your to in the union, but the customs board that was russia would be with the close and they would be checking, you know, of what, what this coming so that the, the russian market is not, is not affected and she in loans in november, 2013 that so she can not sign the deal immediately and shoot off. they are in union to postpone that for next year until next year. that was the, the 3 year form i have done the which was immediately yes. throwing up and the, and the by, by, by the cool. so my, my point is that this either or actually the 1st,

the 1st cool took place in 2004. when left the 2nd around the elections, the same, missed the call, each one presidency, the west race to fail, and put the pressure on the constitutional go to feel free to write the must be filled road and the constitution of ukraine says, 2 rounds and the constitutional court, under the pressure of the west, violate the constitution for the 1st time that and provost and candidate was chosen at the time when all this was taking place in boiling, the european leaders were publicly saying ukrainian people of mazda site are they was us. suppose russia, this size or is, is still very much for your money. it is the way that big countries behave. i mean,

there are certain orbits and now it's bricks versus new us versus china. and it sounds like you were saying the russian and chinese alliances permanent, that we're able to use the name of course, and the geography is very important as you're also neighbors with questionnaire up role in effect, low through ukraine. and the western europe wants to come to old brothers, and there were plans that, you know, or discussed old list openly, to boats a british naval basis on the seal as of try me of was i do, you know, i'm dreaming about creating nate to base in frame year and so on and so forth. we want to look we, we have been very friendly, was going on, for example. overnight the friends came back to the years of the preparation for world war 2,

when they were best allies. so should law and all these folders new trinity old is friendship, going to sound that the gift blank look at the of the old is disappeared over night . so maybe this was deeper into your hearts and then you threaten to, to was burdening them and nice just the name for them. i don't know. they're mad about the winter or that's totally possible. um can you negotiate with zalinski? you've pointed out that he has succeeded. this term is not, you know, democratically elected president of ukraine anymore. so do you consider him a suitable partner for negotiations? fortune address this issue as well, many times in the september to $1020.00 to during the phil steele, the special ed commission zalinski. and she is a,

a conviction that she would be dictating the terms of the situation. also to the list. she signed the degree pressure between the negotiations was put into the government. and when during public events, after that is a fortune is ask why rush, she's not the phone you go. sions. you said, don't turn that upside down. we are ready for negotiations. provide that that will be based on the balance of interest tomorrow. but the landscape signed this degree, prohibiting negotiations, and 1st thought that was why don't you tell him to cancel it publicly? this will be signal that he wants negotiations. instead, lillian speak invented his piece formula late. it was

edition by a victory plan and they keep saying, we know what they, what they say when they meet with europe in union and best of those. and in the other 4 months, they say no, do you unless the deal is on now with arms. and the like, i mentioned to you the, the, the planning that with the 2nd sunday on the basis of this peaceful. mueller. and they, they don't shy away from saying we will invite the russia to print to, to put in front of it the deal, which we agreed already with the us. and well, oh, well, no less than coded, sometimes say nothing about your brain without your brain of the fix to this implies that in your think about pressure over those

rush because they, they discuss what kind of conditions we must, except by the way, recently they authorize you violate the, basically the, the concept, nothing about your grade was though to create the buses, the messages they know our position where i'm not playing the game. what, which in the now and stage, the goal for what duration it's fair. it's fully in line with the united nations chapter, so it's the full, the rights language rights, minority rights, national minority rights. 30 just the rights. and it's fully in line was oil a c principle. there is an organization for security and cooperation in new york, which is still alive and the submit of this organization will

several segments of this organization clearly stated that security must be indivisible, that nobody should expand, few security at the expense of security of others. and that's the most important, no organization in the, your atlantic space shall claim done in us. this was last statement was consumed by or is see to 1000 then. and nato was doing good. is that to the office? yes. so we have, we have legitimacy, you know, you know, a position no need to or no door to steps because only a see, you know, agreed to that these should not be the case if, if it's the thoughts us and please restore the right. so for us is, who do you think has been making foreign policy decisions in the united states? is a question in the united states for the us. i haven't seen the new blinking for 4 years

. the last 2 years ago, i think that the judgment assignment was at the, in the role most somewhere in the modules in the modules. here's, here's the assistant. i was there presenting points and then piece i system came up to me during that meeting and said that the new ones to talk just for the minutes. i left the room, we shook hands and she said something about the need to this go late. and so on and so forth. so i hope he's not going to be and revisit me since i am disclosing this. but we were meeting in front of many people present in the room. and i said, we don't want to be a skill if you want to inflict strategic defeat the point the rest you just said, no, no, no, no. it does not. it does not start the julie feet below, but it is only in the train you've not spoken to him sense. so

have you spoken to any officials in the body ministration? samsung? i don't want to ruin the company. but have you had meaningful conversations? no, no. a lot of the like when the, when you know, when i met so in, in international events, one, the end of the person whom i know a lot and american then. yeah. some of them say so low. some of them exchange few words, but they never impose myself because there's nothing meaning who's behind music on the confed, just, you know, when they see it. so when somebody, she's in the american talking to me or european talking to me, europeans running the way when they see me in,

during the less sure to and to meet you and get towards ridiculous grown up people, what your people they behave like, like you've so childish and unbelievable. so you said that when in 2016 in december, the final moments of the bite administration binding made the relationship between united states and russia more difficult. uh rather, my boss. suffice for us. exactly. i'm so sorry. the bottom ministration left a bunch of bombs, basically for the incoming trump administration in the last month since the election. and you have all sorts of things going on politically, in, bordering states in this region that you know, in georgia and ruse in romania and then of course, most dramatically in syria, you have turmoil did. does this seem like part of an effort by the united

states to make the resolution more difficult? there is nothing new, frankly, because the us so historically, uh, in foreign policy was what you rated by making some trouble. and then to see with a confucian, the mother of what the iraqi aggression lead be in the adventure. are we needing the state basically of fleeing from of gotten his style. now it's writing to get back to the back door using the united nations. so, you know, they've got an ice, some of the event where the u. s. can be present in spite of the fact that they left stuff done is found in very bad shape. and the rest of the money done to one to, to, to, to, to give it back this i think this is if you,

if you analyze the american, the foreign policy steps adventurous, most of them is the right towards me. that's, that's the better better. and they create some trouble and then they see how to use it in georgia. the, you know, in, in when the school a, a c, money towards elections when they use the one year at their elections and the russia, they would all of is be a very negative. and the country says a little bit later was the cause of the style in georgia the the one year during commission, the for see, present that the positive freeport and that this being cause north. so when, when you needs endorsement of the procedures,

you do it when you like the results of the like, if you don't like the results of selections, you ignore it. it's like when the in, like the states and the other western countries recognized a union let through the declaration of independence of call. so they said this is the self determination being implemented when a few years later and there was no order for them. the men coastal unilateral declaration of independence of and by the way, after that, the serbs approached the international court of justice. we should write that. uh, well, normally they look very specific, you know, in the, in the judgement. but they are rule that the union led through the motor of

the when bought the frontier. it story degree is independence. it does not necessarily to be agreed to is the central authorities. and when few years late, the premiums were holding. the rest of them was invitation of many international observers, not from international organizations, but from falling into areas in europe, in asia, in the associate space. they said, no, we cannot accept this because this is why relation of territorial integrity, right? you know, you pick and choose the un chat, there is nothing menu you have to respect them in all its entirety. so what, who's paying the rebels? you've taken parts of a level is the assad government in danger of falling?

what is happening exactly in your view? and cereal will we, we, we, we feel that you run this crisis start that then we are organize the us, the process of russia towards the end you around we need the regular and the end of the meeting is being planned before the end of the year. or the next year to discuss the situation of the growth and the, the rules of the game is to help the syrians to come to terms with each other and the, to prevent, to separate this trends from from, you know, getting. so that's what the americans are doing in the east of syria when they grow some code to show a separate use using the profits from

oil and the green. so we each day of the resources for each day. ok, but this us on the 4 months is a useful combination of players if you wish and the revenue and much concerns after this discrepancy was a live point. surroundings. nice. have the conversations with the turkish means so far and this is and was never any. and colleague, we agreed to try to meet this week to, oh, did you see it coming? hopefully in the in the margins of this international conference. we would like to discuss the need to come back to strict implementation of the deals on easily area because you live

days, correlation zone was the place from where the uh that are is to move to the color. uh and the arrangements reached in 2019 and 22 inch. provide that for all with the cuz trends to control the situation in the loop. this collision zone and to separate the for you up the 3 with a, some form, a new set up from the a position which has not been released on the beach called the right renters of historic. apparently it is not yet. it is not yet the another deal was on the opening of a m 5, a room from the moscow store lipper, which is also now they can completely buy that there is. so we as means as the foreign affairs will discuss the situation. hopefully this coming friday and they meet at 3 or 4 all 3 countries and the security people in contact with the islamic

groups, the terrorists who just described, who was backing them. well, we have some, some information that we would like to discuss. it was all our partners in this and this process, the a way of to cut the general self of financing and arming them the the information which is being flo, the dent it's in the public in the public domain mentions of the americans. the breeds among others. some people say that these are, it was interested in, in the, you know, making this situation that rates so that does a is not on the very close.