the i think they have to, they've taken care of that, what weapon care category, and we'll get to talk about that in the next part of the program. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on nato and ukraine. stay with our team. the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by tell us to vision with no real opinions fixtures designed to simplify. it will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented to this,

but can you see through their illusion going underground? can the welcome at the cross talk were all things are considered. i'm peter le belcher mind . you were discussing nato n, you create the, let's go back to scott in washington, you know, for all the talk of, of negotiations and getting a team together. and that point person on all that, scott, at the end of the day, this is going to be dealt with on the battlefields is that's the only because of the, the type of people that are being involved in this here. i mean, what that mean? kelly's, what mean he and he's been doing this for like 70 years or something. i mean, people don't change. okay. and that's why it's good to be settled on the

battlefield. scott, you know, i, i believe that again i, i don't pretend to have any insight into russian government thinking i don't speak on behalf of the russian government. that's the little aside for the f b i who's watching this that's just my assessment. after years of studying the russian government, this russian government, they haven't done what they've done here. they didn't initiate what they called military technical means back in february of 2022. just to throw it all away. people need to understand that russia has committed to a course of action that will only hit this is an extra stipulation for russia. that's a critical words, words matter when you're dealing with russians and russian policy. this is an extra central issue in russia is committed the national survival of russia to this conflict. and they are not going to deal. they are not going to throw it away. anything less than a cheating. the outcome is that they have articulated,

which is no nato membership, demilitarization of ukraine, the notification of your grade. anything less than that is a strategic defeat for russia. therefore, unacceptable to russia, in the less needs to understand that, that in pushing russia to this good, remember this conflict didn't begin in february 22. this conflict began well prior to 2014, but it, it took its current form in 2014, and russia has been seeking to avoid this conflict that entire time. what do you think middle one was? what do you think vince 2 was? what do you think the rushing the effort to of to insert draft treaties in december of 2021 while you go? what do you think the 1st negotiation phase post conflict was to get to minutes? 3 in this, of all the effort to avoid this very situation. but the west refused to cooperate. the west refused to negotiate in russia now is fully committed,

fully committed to achieving the outcome. and it's says, must take place for russia to survive. this is an extra central struggle, that's why i think any talk of negotiation, freeze cease, fire is a non starter because it would be russia basically say we lost it versus not losing their winning on every phase of this conflict, militarily, economically, politically, well, either gave a tender thing that again, so many people in the west of failed to understand because they're not told is that this is an x, a central threat for russia. but for nato, this is a choice. this is a craving choice rush. it does not threaten nato security, but nato threatens russia security. david in salt lake city as well. i think russia definitely does. the threatened due to security today. they didn't do so before the war. that's. that's why it was created in mexico is attacking russian

territory. that is a threat is russia attacking nato territory? no, it is it, it's not the same thing. you can't do that. you can, you can pair the to keep going and salt lake city. yeah. you're absolutely right. so nato is being the aggressor here. you know, it's been the funk fairly demonizes that as the dresser. this was not enough for vote progression. this was the most provoked more that i've ever seen in our history. and you know, cause want to pc said 15 years trying to negotiate a peaceful solution to the excess that fell through out of date on ukraine in every day since every day since the day after the war. russia has a peace terms that were mostly reasonable and we've created the situation for just the last of the piece. you know, the real solution is, is on. it's on the negotiating table. uh, you know, we need an us needs indigo. she kind of a new and talk with, with russia,

not just the dates on it, and taught where the us and russia, because strategic partners to support the piece, instability throughout the world. but especially in europe. and we can do that by reading to, uh, you know, have the war on terms of so the rush or pulling back all us troops. 20000 us troops in eastern europe withdrawing all over. and you see the weapons from, from europe, with some reciprocal reciprocal concessions on the russian side. and then restoring full diplomatic and traits last week we should have a free trade treaty with, with russia. we should have, you know, total engagement. we should, we should give them a squared reports and you know, all the former soviet republics except for the baltic states and the mature they can give us as your reports in, in western western have sir, but uh, i think, uh the advantages i hope you're is the community is a champion apiece. uh president trump is a chair going to be is these pick some, some new cons. some very good want to america 1st in service,

but also some new accounts that don't want peace. and i think he's going to get very frustrated with those new context and he's going to twist their arms and make them agreed you know, accepts terms that are acceptable to, to moscow. yeah. well i had a jack in san francisco. i think they died from day one, uh the uh, the, the deep state or the bureaucratic state, the permanent state. so they are going to turn ukraine into donald trump's biggest nightmare. and we already see it happening because jack with the ideas that david just the numerator on. rock are good ideas. i couldn't disagree truck would be in peace for doing any of them. jack. yeah, well you know, uh, this is not just the conflict in ukraine. uh, i wrote an article in january 22 before the hot war began entitled 10 reasons why the us, they want russia to invade ukraine. there's a lot to be game for the empire by initiating, continuing this war, you know,

before the war us was losing, as well as was there, made a well now they've totally, you know, captured, recaptured nato again and one of the main objectives of the war. i say, wish to draw russia out of western europe economically, and the us to, uh, you know, penetrate into europe and take over the energy reading some of the other industries . well, the u. s. a. empire has been totally successful amount objective. there's other objectives as well involved with it. busy not just defeating russia on the ground, and that's one reason why i think they're going to continue this conflict in some shape or other even under trump. well, i mean it, it, yeah, i think this is going to be with us all for a very long time. it's interesting, jack, what you said, i mean the united states is very kind to its allies, isn't it? i mean, they destroy its energy infrastructure. it wrap it in place and sag nation, and this is all because you're a member of nato. it's really remarkable. scott: i'll bet you i'm not a really a betting man, but whatever outcome there is,

it's good to go back to the diplomatic notes that russia sent to the united states and to nato. uh, in december, before the february of 2022, with god. that's the roadmap and they're going to refer back to it. i bet you anything they're going to do that, scott. you know, i think you're a 100 percent. correct? uh, the, the, you know, at the time of rushes submitted these draft treaties to nato, into the united states. so they were marked him. the western circles is unrealistic of what is russia think they're doing? because the perception was the rush was operate from a position of weak us. today, i don't think anybody's thinks the rush is operating from a position of with this ad. these draft documents suddenly become an extraordinarily well fried out pieces of diplomacy that could create a european security framework that could engender the kinds of stability that was

spoken of that has a western sphere of f. once a russians fear of one importance and not a of, in, in the 2 sides, not being in conflict, but here's the problem. nato does. the rush is a threat in russia. it is a threat that because russia threatened the state of but because nato has defined its very existence as being predicated on a need to confront russia next, essentially. therefore, the failure to defeat russia has led to a situation where data is in danger of collapsing. you know, you speak of the united states coming in and disrupting of the european economies and take it over. good. congratulations, america you did. did the united states predict the rise of a alternative for doing sled in the fact that if it lands and it's heavy on a trajectory of victory? jeremy withdrawal from the you, which means jeremy with drugs have data, that's not what the united states wanted. did they predict the parliamentary

outcome in france now that protest tried to avoid, but he kept his government, the government's collapsing now of pro peace. the sympathetic russian parliament might come in the united states and predict that europe is devonne. busy collapsing, re defining itself. and so that's the only reason why these rushing draft, these may not be viable anymore, because if they were drafted with a strong unified, you're in mind, i don't think you're a big sister anymore, and i don't think it's going to exist. so there's going to have to be of russia in the united states or to this. i think europe is based on the 5 itself. i absolutely agree here. you know, it's interesting, scott, the, you know, they, they, they, they, you had all the variables, the sanctions and the oil embargo, all they had, all of these things figured out except for o. democracy. they didn't take that into account and now it's coming. a blow black,

i'm blowing back at them, david, you know, where is mac and all of this? i'm really quite bewildered. ok. the trump ran on this very openly. okay. i don't think anybody to agree or i'll start within 24 hours. okay. that that was campaign hi personally, but i know where he is maggie. in this forum policy, i'm getting a little worried. go ahead and salt lake city as well. trip isn't it? as made a few really good kids. you know, it's all scabbard guys and some other folks like that. then i think you're going to give them some good advice. and most notably, journeyman, i mean, judy vance is very vocal opponent of the war and ukraine is. he was wanted to end it yesterday. and he's, he's going to be a visual and drugs here, i'm telling them to, you know, to be, to all kill lots ridiculous, you know, con proposals for, for a ceasefire piece with russia. so, you know, my opinion should have sent judy babbs to be that special ed boy to negotiate the,

the rest of the parentheses pretty much. and by the way, this, this needs to be a us rush or a piece for you pray and does not need to be involved. us represents the praise interest and zaleski is out on any piece piece uh, negotiations with uh, the russian federation. so he is proven to be uh, you know, not a reliable part of a piece. a truck is, is, or israel. i am a part of a visa. fine, of course is a joke. uh, he spent 10 minutes of the last 3 years talking about new credit and basically is reading our position or opposition to russia's invasion, which was essentially kind of a pre emptive invasion to roll back on the, you know, went through expansion and can you create and restore your brand to it's a peaceful buffer state and federal law for state status a pre made onto. so i still hopeful, but the more i've heard about the catalog plan, the more discouraged i am in terms of an immediate solution. well, as i resume,

as i said in my and at the end of my introduction, the slaughter continues. gentlemen, i really appreciated very thoughtful program and that's all the time we have one. i think my guess in washington, dc, salt lake city and in san francisco. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are the see next time and remember prospect of the, the, [000:00:00;00]

the, the, no nato's absolutely no needed 3 bases. no needed 30 minutes, so we exercise us on the credit. and so it will be such a separation of forwarding for the troops. process for administer outlines the action needed to resolve the ukraine complex. the top diplomat made moscow's priorities clear and a major interview with american journalist tucker carlson. boot of a long range weapons against the mainland. russia demands that response. according to 3rd, gala, rob and moscow has sent a clear signal with the rustic missile that should be taken seriously. they must understand that we would be better to use any means no 3 allow