in totality area and so called western newspapers, tv, cinema and literature. but there are some who have expose the lies in the rackets a rogue report versus the american empire co founder of declassified you came. i cannot delineate something of the systematic corrosion while a few moments a by imperial forces. no wonder it comes into us to buy long term friends of going underground jump hills. you know, i'm john ski and julie and us on dramatic joins me now from lunch. now thanks so much for coming on. i'm going to book uh the, the rackets is, it's been a week where even major propaganda media like comcast sky news, warner brothers is cnn. that alone mouthpiece is like your or our v. c. i found it difficult to explain to their audiences, i think how it is that they support the l guy to in syria. how does your book, the racket give us the dimension in which to understand why the bbc and john simpson people are on the well?

well, know these people actually, no 1 may know what cnn is given by their viewing figures, but why the media are, is completely up to they, they want to support those links to the atrocities and $911.00. it's. yeah, what is interesting, isn't it? i think it goes to the hall, the message of the book, which is that the mainstream media is not what we told is not what uh, what were you dining? john is a school that we are a check on power. the journalism, the constructs the lives of the state and corporations when you get inside it and i work for financial times and for most of the reporting was done. while i was at the financial times, you realize that actually the mainstream media is really an adjunct to state power . often they do do some good stories of sort of scandals and that kind of thing. but in terms of systematic analysis, a systematic, the construction of the propaganda, you get none of it. and that's why this is such a beautiful system in a way because it does allow some freedom within those confines of the main stream

media. but really it protects power at all times and just just to go to a point about what's happening in syria. so of course, outside of now, which is re branded as h t, as in syria in syria, is useful to us now because we have been trying to, over through the us government for over 10 years. so those people as soon as they, as soon as they become useful to us, we have we, we rehabilitate them, and propagandized for them. in fact, there was an article today that they sent a graph which said some utilize of how and i guess the friendly just had is still going to build a new syria, that kind of line something that you, the people diverse and so on behalf of those that have been historically chopping the heads of children. exactly. i'm, i'm imagining, he told someone that you know, the type of 2001 in america. 23 is made. so we're going to have mainstream media. i

actually talk about all kind of as a good thing and about how they can bring a new syria after a decade of war. it is, is preposterous, but it is not, but it's not just syria, it goes against everything. every systematic mode of exploitation is practiced by the west is justified, is legitimized by the mainstream media. not since published this whole heaps of ideology, which were afraid from a very young age, which is effectively who lies. and we don't have a media which takes it apart. we have a media which regards to types it. so we live swimming and propaganda and it needs to change. i do think it is changing now. i think is that to be different from even the time i was working at the financial times, which was a 2009 to 2012, that was the mainstream media had more of a hold on the narrative than they do now. because social media has allowed us to bypass the mainstream media, and that is why there's such

a tax on social media. but also why this whole industry is brought to the about this information, which again is a junk to state how often if you look at these organizations, the funding. so who this information they often funded by the foreigner base or the state department. and they, what they are about is to try and be legitimize new voice is the work outside the mainstream, and reveal new truths that you called into the mainstream. says that there's always ways of how we want to protect itself in new circumstances. yeah, we have the hallmark to thank for knowing the brand american watch hall good will planes. we used to protect our guy there in effect this week, despite denials. of course, he must, we might get into that later because he relates to bolivia, renewal book, lithium. uh, quite important for his cause he mentioned just some adjust that you went to the prestigious columbia journalism school in the book. you say they went through all of the wreckage and it's lies and questioning things. maybe you have to somehow

n p a metric to tell me about the columbia journalism school, which, you know, some people in the academy might know the way to public. i've never heard of these places. yes, it's a lovely dentist as who is basically the most elite, john is a school in the world. it creates an educate stubs of next generation of the top corporate journalists in the state school. so worldwide. and i didn't really know that before i went to nicely went to lead university in the u. k. so normally do university by go good story when i was there, which means to columbia by city. but i was extremely disappointed by the the cult and the level of journalism that was being to on practice. the just one example is a henry kissinger who died recently. but is one of the most blood sites will criminals of the 20th century. he came to columbia university when i was there, and i found that he comes, came every year,

and that's the kind of speak can pontificate about the politics and blah, blah, blah. and he was accepted as a sort of a kind of a wound cuddly statesman. and i was in the re way of winning his speaking and i put my hand up and i just said, how do you sleep at night? and the whole room just like you to go. i could pay in order to goest and then everything is silent. and he said, do you think you are more useful period to me? and that's an easy question to also when is henry kissinger you're asking you. so i said yes. and he said, and then he went okay, there was a bit of back and forth. he was like, well the, the stuff to you, bradley, who lives blah, blah, blah. but interestingly off to that, i was attacked massively by the faculty itself. one of the they to a system here that will criminals. what exactly they thought the, what i did was disgraceful. and one came up to me often and said, you disgraced yourself the other day. i go by 0 support, but that is very telling about what columbia university's role it's,

it's to whitewash and to support essentially american war criminals and make the actions seeing what we've told is a little while ago during a world of law and blah, blah, blah. so the night with all normal exceptions, jeffrey sachs, i know victoria newland and hillary clinton in there at the moment. no jeffrey sites, it's amazing that he's going to join isn't school. i'm focused is to get out of jobs is what is most of the great academic throughout colombia and also there are few in columbia, but few and far between. i knew some ways they also add on and generate the illusion is there is a free culture that that's critical of power because there's kind of a fig leaves that they say, oh, we go x x professor. but on a general level is just, uh, uh, it's a, it's what you would expect if you're talking about the most elite school in, in journalism, in america. it's just producing the next, ideologically trained propaganda is for the american empire centrally. and then the same happened when i went to financial as long as you realize, okay, well,

i've got hold of things i need to learn to enter the mainstream media. but luckily i had about the japanese newspaper that told you, go away and do your save the world stuff. when you left, i was i see the editor, the etc. and that was a line on the yes, he said uh, i mean he was, is a nice enough guy, but he said uh, i wasn't an s t john list. go in the say blood stuff and maybe you can come back when you're a bit older. but what it actually, that'd be nice to get to this week's events that given you a threatened me personally, i should say, i am proud to say, i mean, am i 6 as far as we know, he's actively supporting what's going on. and i don't know whether you don't most with it, because we can see on social media the, the outside to read violence, whether that's shamed. what's your blinking state department? just say look, we don't, we don't doing this. and jake sullivan, despite having previously said outside, is on that side and through the kind of distance weaknesses with the same time on the hand, having to do it. and how does that?

because it must be a hard sell even to those young listeners desk to say, yeah, we're on the side of the outside an isis. yeah. yeah. is an obviously, um, they want to do it on the hand. that means that there's been quite a lot of, i think stories of come out in the eighty's route saying israel prefers to have a set in place rather than the unknown of outside or somebody's not us government, which i think it's just a began to pull out by, by these really is to try and monday the was what is very, very clear, the israel, the united states allies have been trying to break the excess of persistence for over a decade. and syria is a key part of the supply line from iran, says blah, and also will this happen soon after that ceased by the it was, was low. and so i think, well, these things are connected. and what they want to do is a, for the service,

even they don't care who they use. that's the point. so they, well obviously they want to come by the, because apart for about this, the reasons why you say, but even then they know that i'm can't see much, like i said, but also in the day the telegraph and you're going to see more, more about that people have short memories and people are very, very susceptible to perfect kind of look at ideas, rerun some they were previously outside of. they've now they went like they start wearing suits. they said all where we went about diversity. we work outside and out . um and people buy it from. yeah. and she has this, we go hungry about a cooper should have a christmas tree being taken down because of course they want to kill. the questions is starkly. i mean, i don't think they get over there though that the you a president phoned as that on the day to give support the saudi arabia are a friends with a ron. this region has changed. what do you think about organizations that are being pro palestine? looking, looking at the genocide, you can see the guitar

a news channel allowed to 0. where was the 1st ever english language of boy? interesting how they're embedded. it seems without guide as well, cuz all was allegedly one of the main fund of news, right? as well, which is what pays it pre gusts. a cs that came out during that time and could stars go up quite a be record of supporting extremist across the region to be in the syrian civil war . and so, i mean, i think the ice, you don't know about the position of the u i. e, in the saudis as well. i think that the essentially they want to break your on the backs. i've certainly not, they're certainly not that position. and of course we are here. of course, it is directly, in fact that's really what i'm coming to about the, i presume they haven't just read your book and realized that history has changed. but i mean, as you delineate the i, m, f and world bank destructive policies. people increasingly, you know, going to one these loans are they, these countries?

i mean, you can see molly and set a goal and you can see what's happening in the southeast asia. i mean, i'm not saying is just your books clearly, but the world has changed, doesn't it? i mean, obviously ukraine has made that change up to the sanctions on russia and the sanctions on china. do you see the changing now? yeah, there's been a massive shift to the east, essentially, and it's mainly around china to be honest with you, because even russia is not in terms of its economy on the same scale, was trying to. so trying his rise and let's say in a much 1015 years it could be the biggest economy in the well, i'm, regardless of what you think about the chinese government. uh, the space that opens up for a copy independent governments in africa and latin america, asia to operate is huge because of the end of the cold war. there was only one game in town, which was the us, you know, and there was a pretty big time. the less than independent movements is that the pieces are not nice for mexico, but and then it changed

a bit when travis came in in 1999 and venezuela. but essentially, if you're trying to escape these institutions are the i'm asking what back which are for it to be honest with united states. that was there wasn't any of the po, to organize around the next change now. and you see the brakes uh, buying can and also some of the 2 things happening that i kind of, i get back in. it also helped me in that more from the auth uh of the racket a rogue report of us is the american empire and co founder declassified u. k. after this break the, [000:00:00;00] the, the,

the, the welcome back to going on the go ahead. i'm still here with the author of the rack is a rogue report of us as the american amber and co founder of declassified you came that cannot match in part when you were talking about this new world order as it were. as regards of new ways to, to have

a economies in the global south. but this is happening at the same time, the rise of china, which is already the biggest economy by a, by b, b, b. as the genocide is happening, that you're in london. i mean, how hard is it for them to comprehend these journalists, the british public, what the government is doing? and you might have to remind us, what exactly is the british role in the genocide that you've been? i know tweeting and writing about the intimate relationship between this okay. as dom a government and genocide making him able criminal. yeah. well essentially, i think that's the top line, but we are not just complicit in the genocide in gaza with participants and have be from the start actually. but in terms of it will impact upside on the public. the public doesn't know because it goes back to your original question about the media . the media has left out all the information that people would need to understand all role. in fact, i'd be classified,

we've done pretty much all the work on the u. k. military intelligence role, which is extreme. uh, i would say that this is a tripod type genocide. this is a u. k. us and israel us is providing most of the arms. you guys provide the most of the intelligence and these roles getting it done. and in terms of how that works on the ground, there's one story came on the new york times in the summer to be k. uh, uh, intelligent services had deployed a spite team inside israel to help these route with this operation and gaza. so that came out of new it sounds as leads fine is ready. officially these ready official said that the face supplies were giving quote, value added to his ready operations and they were quote, providing intelligence we call and collect and all right. so this is huge in the context of the fact that there's icbc restaurants out for the prime minister in the form of defense been, is the, the fact that as a genocide case at the i c j, the wells high school ongoing, i need, i need and he's ready officials

a leaking that the british have a being providing stuff that they call collect and they write, you would think that might interest the media. that story is never being mentioned in the u. k. media, the, the other side of it. this never talks about is the, we are the you, k is sending a spice by, oh, because up every day, pretty much and sometimes to the, now they're in the sky for 6 hours. and they, the, that intelligence has been been positive these raised now the case a while it's just the hostage rescue. but we've only got one hostage in gaza and we had to win the flight started. one of them was killed, it looks like bodies ready themselves. so what is that information? why is it going, um, what, what, what does it involve? because my hunch is that it probably is being used for operations by his route because it, i think it's a month exactly, because he says, i need to do with hostage rescue. while these rallies present a whole uh,

offensive because uh, as hostage rescue operations. so it gives them leeway to, to do whatever they want. again, there was a question in parliament, actually, i'll follow up with democrats here recently, but he said he also ministry defense. can you tell me that information with providing to the israel is not being used for military targeting, and they refuse to watch so. so, so that you ok, that's the, that's highly suspicious. the other side of it is a special forces. you know, special forces. people don't know a highly secretive, almost the u. k. state. if either even more 6, tiffany intelligence, i guess, easy to get spice of easier information about what they, what they're up to. that'd be fine. 7 close up was around it. well, the u. k. special policies company known as ss on october 27th last year. so soon off the start, the genocide, the some of these paper if they will lead that the essence of deployed to all based on cyprus, full garza operations. and then the following day to the ultimate 28, you came in, it's already sent out the notice to every media, and it's a saying,

don't publish any information about what the ss is up to in israel and gaza assumes that day. we've not had any information about what the special forces a day, which is as again in the context of what thoughts about these legal process is ongoing. we could be directly involved on the grounding, cause i don't know if the billing on the ground used to ignore the de notices where we were in britain. maybe that's why we're in. do bonnie but to kareem khan has been on this show and see for us to gauge your of the international vocation, go to international criminal court. and he's certainly not looking into your allegations. people can follow you on x, of course, because you'd reproduce the maps during the flights uh where britain and this is hundreds of thousands, mostly women and children. but it would be aid of the roy levels. yeah. the disgrace in the name of the the r f. but it does, but people are surprised. i have to say when, when they, when they are made aware of what is going on,

it completely appends the whole world because we're sitting on our phones. so the worst stuff we've ever seen a lot, maybe the west stuff, you know, my salvation campaigns, a bullying of civilians, relentless, every day. kids move needs to make the kids, the new modem, conflicts of kids with the no legs. the legs spun off, almost blown off, is horrendous. and then you know that we're not only just giving them diplomatic support, sending them moms, we're supplying intelligence for them to get this operation done. and people are shocked by that, which i think is why the mainstream media is so it is sold by the company because again, they protect, protect power. and what have a role is mentioned is who is mentioned in a kind of benign uh, basically taking the official line and the for so long as we have nothing to do with what's going on in the ground. we are in new york for about helping use right . is to, to, to rescue all hostage which is rubbish. i think. so. yeah. is this i run this? i think the environment is, i mean and people are watching uh,

these mouthpiece media like bbc less and less. what's the like in, in britain then i mean that my 6 is the who are friends with zekia storm or who persecuted julie. in a sense, we both interviewed jeremy colbin in the new environment where people aren't anymore persuaded by the propaganda media system. their way could they do what they did to? jeremy corbin, the most popular uh i mean, socialist kind of lead to well positioned leader in the west viewer by these fake anti semitism. says, could they ever do it again? or are they that those deep state actors and that is your understanding? it was the deep state that you know, that people can look online to see the british soldiers using pictures of cove and his target practice and that kind of stuff. yeah, i mean that again, it's a go back to what i said about the media and the free press and the illusion around that is the same with democracy. we don't have a democracy in this country. we have an oligarchy, and that stopped working with during the cold and was elected in 2015. and as you

said, the labor party swelled to the biggest pots in western europe, and he was destroyed by uh, a campaign around that symbolism. but also there was many, many elements of the british state, the, uh, the one in destroyed arms companies. you can military intelligence agencies, the israel lobby that you got together. and actually the, the, the reason that the anti semitism campaign became the kind of central campaign was, but it was much better than the other ones. the less were very bad at defending themselves. colbin himself was by the defending himself. um so that he was a traitor. out, he was a traitor. uh give me but the. okay, more important and goldman. what about you? because you are covering these stories about the so called the states. i'm a cool at the state of a genocidal country like breaking what. how, how say for you, we know reports of kick plan bug, the great journalist for the great zone being stopped and he threw up. what's there wilkinson, the pro palestinian peace?

activist and journalist i understand has been visited by police, richard, midwest. i mean i do feel safe that they might. the 5 will knock on your door and special broncho knock on your door any time soon as you show the flights of british war plains aiding the genocide in gaza. what are the any one sites the speaking out in the u. k. now, cuz it's not just the, the youngest you mentioned just recently. um a so when stanley, who's a very good reporter for electronic and father. yeah, this house rated uh by the place i don't and they sees the oldest devices, but was quite scary about what happened to him was he wasn't even charged or arrested. so apparently in the u. k. under there was a noise they can come in the place and take away your devices without even charging you with the crime which is for outrages. and then you had sarah wilkinson, as you mentioned, and richard met us. um, they basically uh, clumping donald democracy because they've lost control of the narrative. as you might, as you mentioned,

the size of the power of social media independent media has as growing massively. and it helps to news the conversation away from the state narrative. now in the context, but when you lose control of the narrative for your traditional media assets and you lose control of the population, i, a majority on arms and ball going to cease while the only thing you have left is to disappear in the population with the law, i don't think we're going to see increasing amounts of oppression and it has to be picked up. must be on the case tama, those that those, the journalist i mentioned they will arrested or detained, or rated on the case by my so i think we're going to see the escalate. in terms of me personally, i think the i'm no different to the rest of the independent media space where we will expect to will know that there is, there are risks that come to a new the are impressive in to and the other thing is we know that the public sphere in the case undefended. so it will determine this. i mentioned sir wilkinson, richard, my test a. so when standing not to be struck,

i recently overrated. arrested, charged. and no single word has ever paid about in the mainstream media. so it's just the a part of the news that is just completely erased from mass media. i mean it took me to gabriel scare. i think for me that was more scary than the rights themselves . yeah, that's that silence to give us promise some sympathy. i mean, i was on bbc question time with them a while back. i don't have much sympathy. they were gonna look up house. his kind prosecution service tried to pin fake rape claims on julian assigned. you write about this 10000 perhaps us soldiers in britain. i mean, the hostages here, the british government is, is the britain like south korea are actually which is being in the news this week. a, a under military occupation. i, i know the talking about drones anything are you have like in the houston area available from the drones, which so we so little joining the circled wear and tear. is it,

do you feel like that? yeah, we are. and again, it, so it's going to be so i just want to make sure we get, but i did a lot of work about the u. k. military presence in the u. k. and it's over 12000 us troops permanently stationed in the u. k. across the 11. so who are a sites that quote are yes, but at least to the americans an upright expect to be is us spaces and they for i also submissions often a legal ones. um, web like what kinds of carried out they were involved in, in operations in libya, iraq, other places. and we're not allowed to know anything that happens on them. that's the outraged wall popping up to pace yourself with us to the outrages you can get some information about all we have sites what you can give it to use. if you ask to transparency mechanisms about the us military presence, you just told we don't comment on allies movements or activities in our country, which is a huge black hole in america, in burgess democracy and that. and then the other side of that is and also is another method by co, uh, is,

is the us intelligence role. because we know that there's a massive c i a so i already have crowds in which was the base where outside of which, how redone was killed by a c i a of this. uh, so cooler we've been screwed throughout the country. um, we know the guys give you to just use the because largest instead of just i can see it has a huge station in coma who just keep viewed. it's not as late showed the hot 50 percent of the funding for jesus to jesus. he viewed comes from the national security agency in the united states, so that price would be running the station, and that's how it works. us just we all us are by some state and we do what we're told we are, i'm, we're, i'm where we know a lot and now government does not allow us to know anything about that us at tablets activity. i notice the transparency should be much higher before and me, that's a reason for any type of just agencies in our country we should know more about we should be able to know more about them than all right. but basically opposite. now

cannot. thank you. that's it. for the show match book, the rack is a real group. all of us would be american and buyers out now continued condolences to those surviving the u. k. u s. u of genocide here in this region will be back on monday for more on the scale of that genocide which could be as high as 25 percent of guys are killed until then keep in touch, why would i social media if it's not sense of new country and had to a channel going under warranty, the hon dot com to action, you know, the episodes of going undergrad. see you monday, the 10 states, the stance of getting an internet man, but of some of those things that got those up on the afternoon. i shall see much the number you just didn't talk from the magic,

you know, whatever, which one of the missed on this meeting was the store. yeah. publishing the unlimited device not allow me to change the subject, you know, and that i did. i'm not going to do, i wanted to let them eat too. i mean, the clips can we can also just do that. just to mcgill, i'm the mother to release the financing to either game that are on the road and there's so much little ocean roll them stitches in the boys on the settle, not split them huge companies with those testing or st. mary's was opinions because once you know the stuff i need you to use to live in yours with the,

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