erosion. well, few ma'am. as he by imperial forces, no wonder it comes endorsed by long term friends of going underground. joan pills, you know i'm john ski and julian hassan dramatic. joins me now from london. now thanks so much for coming on. i'm going to book uh the, the rackets is, it's been a week where even major propaganda media like comcast, sky news, warner brothers is cnn. that'll own mouth piece is like your or our v. c. have found it difficult to explain to their audiences. i think how it is that they support l guy to in syria. how does your book, the records give us the dimension in which to understand why the bbc and john simpson people are on the well, what know these people actually? no 1 may know what cnn is given by their viewing figures, but why the media are is completely up to they. they want to support those links to the atrocities and $911.00. it's yeah. what is interesting, isn't it?

i think it goes to the hall, the message of the book, which is that the mainstream media is not what we told is not what uh, what were you learning? john is a school that we are a check on power. the journalism, the constructs the lives of the state and corporations when you get inside it and i work for financial times and for most of the reporting was done. while i was at the financial times, you realize that actually the mainstream media is really an adjunct to state power . often they do do some good stories of scandals and that kind of thing. but in terms of systematic analysis, a systematic, the construction of the propaganda, you're getting none of it. and that's why this is such a beautiful system in a way because it does allow some freedom within those confines of the main stream media. but really, it protects how old times and just to go to a point about what's happening in syria. so of course, outside the now which is re branded as h t, as in syria in syria, is useful to us now because we have been trying to,

over through the us government for over 10 years. so those people as soon as they, as soon as they become useful to us, we have we, we rehabilitate them, and propagandized for them. in fact, there was an article today that they had a grow, which said sub utilize of how and i guess the front of the ge ahead is so going to build a new syria, that kind of line something that you people, diversity on behalf of those that have been historically chopping the heads of children. exactly. i'm, i'm imagining, think, tell someone that you know, the type of 2001 in america. the $23.00 is made. so we're going to have mainstream media. i actually talk about all kind of as a good thing and about how they can bring a new syria. um, after a decade of war, it is, is preposterous, but it is not, but it's not just syria, it goes against everything. every systematic mode of exploitation is practiced

by the west is justified, is legitimized by the mainstream media. not since published this whole heaps of ideology, which were fed from a very young age, which is effectively who lies. and we don't have a media which takes it apart. we have a media which regards to types it. so we live swimming and propaganda and it needs to change. i do think it is changing now. i think it's that's any different from even the time i was working at the financial times, which was a 2009 to 2012, that was the mainstream media had more of a hold on the narrative than they do now. because social media has allowed us to bypass the mainstream media, and that is why there's such a tax on social media, but also why this whole industry is brought to the about this information, which again is a junk state. how often if you look at these organizations, the funding, so who this information they often funded by the foreigner base or the state

department. and they, what they are about is to try and be legitimize new voice is the work outside the mainstream and reveal new truths that you called into the mainstream says that there's always ways that powell will work to protect itself in new circumstances. yeah, we have enormous. good, thank for knowing the brand, american watch, whole good war planes we use to protect al qaeda in effect this week, despite denials, of course, the load must go. we might get into that later because he relates to bolivia, renewal book, lithium. uh, quite important for his cause he mentioned germans as a just that you went to the prestigious columbia journalism school in the book. you say they went through all to the racket and it's lies. and questioning things made you out to summer n t, a metric. to tell me about the columbia journalism school, which, you know, some people in the academy might know the way to public. i've never heard of these places. the yes, the columbia genesis who is basically the most elite, john, is

a school in the world, and it creates an educate stubs of next generation of to corporate journalists in the state school. so worldwide. and i didn't really know that before i went out nicely went to lead university in the u. k. so normally do university by go good story when i was there, which got me into columbia by city. but i was extremely disappointed by the, the culture and the level of journalism that was being to on practice the just one example is a henry kissinger who died recently. but is one of the most blood sites will criminals of the 20th century. he came to columbia university when i was there, and i found that he comes, came every year and that's a kind of speak him, participate about the politics and blah, blah blah. and he was accepted as a sort of a kind of a wound cuddly statesman. and i was in the re way of when you're speaking and i put my hand up and i just said, how do you sleep at night?

and the whole room just like you to go in order to goest and then everything. it's silent, and he said, do you think you a maurice through periods to me? and that's an easy question to also when is henry kissinger awesome. you said yes and he said, and then he went okay, there was a bit of back and forth. he was like, well the, the stuff you, bright is who lives, blah, blah, blah. but interestingly off to that, i was attacked massively by the faculty itself. one of the they took us history about here that will criminals last. exactly like the what i did was disgraceful, and one came up to me often and said, you disgraced yourself the other day. i go by saying 0 support, but that is very um, telling about what columbia university's role is to whitewash and to support essentially american war criminals and make the actions seeing what was told is a little while ago during a world of law and blah, blah, blah, so the night with all normal exceptions, jeffrey sachs,

i know victoria newland and hillary clinton in there at the moment. no jeffrey sites, it's amazing that he's going to join isn't school. i'm focused is to get out of genesis. what is most of the great academic throughout colombia and also there are few in columbia that few and far between. i knew some ways they also at and generate the illusion. that is, there is a free culture that's critical of power because it's kind of a fig leaf. so they say, oh we go x x professor. but on the general level is just, uh, uh, it's a, it's what you would expect if you're talking about the most elite school in, in journalism, in america, is just producing the next, ideologically trained propaganda is for the american empire essentially. and then the same happened when i went to financial as long as you realize, okay, well, i've done all the things i need to learn to enter the mainstream media. but luckily i had the japanese newspaper that told you, go away and do your save the world stuff when you left. that was i see the editor, the etc. and that was like, oh,

yeah. or he said uh, i mean he was, is the most enough guy. uh, but he said uh, i wasn't an s t, just go in the say blood stuff and maybe you can come back when you're a bit older one. and actually, that'd be nice to get to this week's events that given you a threatened me personally, i should say, i am proud to say, i mean, am i 6 as far as we know he's actively supporting what's going on. and i don't know whether you know, most with, because we can see on social media the, the outcome, android violence, whether that shamed what your blinking state department. just say, look, we don't, we don't doing this. and jake sullivan displayed having previously said outside is on that side, and through the kind of distancing themselves with the same time on the hand. having to do it under how does that? because it must be a hard sell even to those young listen use desk to say yeah, we're on the side of the outside and isis. yeah. yeah. is an obviously, um they want to do it on the hand. i mean start this be quite lost. i think stories

of come out in the eighty's route saying israel prefers to have a set in place rather than the unknown of outside or somebody's not us government, which i think it's just a began to pull out by, by these raise to try and monday, the was when it's very, very clear, the israel, the united states allies have been trying to break the excess of resistance for that for over a decade. and syria is a key part of the supply line from iran says blog. and also will this happen soon off to betsy's fi? there was was no. and so i think will these things are connected and what they want to do is a, for the servers, even they don't catch who they use. that's the point. so they won't, obviously they want to come about it because of up to about this, the reasons why you say, but even then they don't, they don't catch you much. like i said, but also in the daily telegraph and you're going to see more, more about that. people have short memories and people are very,

very susceptible to propaganda. look, i cs is re brand some they look previously outside of they've now they, they went to they, they start wearing suits, they said all where we went about diversity. we worked outside and out. um, and people buy it for me. yeah. and she has this, we go hungry about a coupe, should have a christmas tree being taken down because of course they want to kill. the christians is starkly. i mean, i don't think they get over there though that the you a president phoned as that on the day to give support the saudi arabia are a friends with iran to this region has changed. what do you think about organizations that are being pro palestine? we're looking, looking at the genocide, you can see the guitar, a news channel allowed to 0. where was the 1st ever english language? and boy, interesting how they're imbedded it seems with l guide. well, because all was allegedly one of the main fund, the news, right. as well, which is what pays the pre gusts. ideas that came out during the time and guitars

go up quite a be very cool to support an extremist across the region to be in the syrian civil war. and so, i mean, i think the ice, you don't know about the position of the u, i. e in the saudis as well. i think that essentially they want to break your on the tax has certainly not there. certainly not that position. and of course we are here, of course, it is starkly. in fact, that's really what i'm coming to about the i presume they haven't just read your book and realized that history is changed. but i mean, as you do any, a, b, i m, f, and world bank, destructive policies, people increasingly, you know, going to one these loans. are they, these countries? i mean, you can see molly and set a goal and you can see what's happening in the southeast asia. i mean, i'm not saying is just your books clearly, but the world has changed, doesn't it? i mean, obviously ukraine has made that change up to the sanctions on russia and the sanctions

on joining the gc and the changing now. yeah, there's been a massive shift to the east, essentially. and it's major on china, to be honest with you, because even russia is not in terms of use economy on the same scale was trying to . so trying to is rise and let's say in much 1015 years it could be the biggest economy in the well, um, regardless of what you think about the chinese government, uh, the space that opens up full uh, independent governments in africa and latin america, asia to operate is huge because of the end of the cold war. there was only one game in town, which was the us, you know, and there was a pretty big time the less than independent movements. is that the taxes and $99.00 for mexico. with that, and then it changed a bit when travis came in in 1999 in venezuela. but essentially if you were trying to escape these institutions or the i'm asking well back, which are for it to be honest with united states. that was, there wasn't any other po, to organize around the next change now. and you see the brakes uh, buying can and,

and also some of the 2 things happening that i kind of, i get back in it. i'll stop you there more from the all of the racket, a real group, both of us as the american empire and co founder, declassified u. k. after this break the law, what else? they just don't have to shape house and engagement equals the trails. when so many find themselves boils apart, we choose to look for common ground, the the mount fields, the steps, the wild side got on one of the well most epics, rivers,

where it costs us regions so beautiful that the people here believe that it was bestowed upon them by god himself. so let's get off this mountain and these phones divine land has to offer the welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with the author of the rock as a rogue report of as the american amber and co founder of declassified. you came back in a math and thought when you were talking about this new world order as it were. as regards a new ways to, to have a economies in the global south. but this is happening at the same time, the rise of china, which is already the biggest economy by a, by b, b, b. as the genocide is happening that you are in london. i mean, how hard is it for them to comprehend these journalists that learned the british public what the government is doing?

and you might have to remind us, what exactly is the british role in the genocide that you've been? i know tweeting and writing about the intimate relationship between this a cast on a government and genocide making him able criminal. yeah. well essentially, i think that's the top line, but we are not just complicit in the general southern gaza way participants and have be from the start actually. but in terms of it will impact upside on the public. the public doesn't know because it goes back to your original question about the media. the media has left out all the information that people would need to understand all role. in fact, at the classified we've done pretty much all the work on the u. k. military intelligence role, which is extreme, i would say that this is a tripod type genocide. this is a u. k. us and israel us is providing mostly ons. you guys providing most of the intelligence and these roles getting it done. and in terms of how that works on the

ground, there's one story came on the new york times in the summer that the u. k. uh, uh, intelligent services had deployed a spite team inside israel to help these route with this operation in gaza. so that came out a new what time it was least find his right. the official these ready officials said that the face wise were giving quote, value added to his ready operations. and they were quote, providing intelligence we call and collect and all right. so this is huge in the context of the fact that as i see west runs out for the prime minister in the form of defense, men is the the fact that as a genocide case at the i c j, the wells high school ongoing, i need and these and he's ready officials a leaking that the british have a being providing stuff with a conflict and that right, you would think that might interest the media. that story is never be mentioned in the u. k. media, the, the other side of it there's never thoughts about is the, we are the you, k is sending a spice by, oh, because up everyday,

pretty much and sometimes to the, now they're in the sky for 6 hours. and they, the, that intelligence has been been positive these raised now the case a while it's just the hostage rescue. but we've only got one hostage in garza and we had to win the flight started. one of them was killed, it looks like bodies raised themselves. so what is that information? why is it going, um, what, what, what does it involve? because my hunch is that it probably is being used for operations by his route because it, i think it semantic, wesley, because if he says i need to do with hostage rescue while these run, these present the whole offensive, because as hostage rescue operations. so it gives them leeway to, to do whatever they want. again, there was a question in parliament actually all the while it was democrat here recently, but he said he also ministry defense. can you tell me the information we providing to israel is not being used for military targeting, and they refuse to watch so,

so, so there's a box that's the, that's highly suspicious. the other side of it is a special forces. you know, special forces. people don't know a highly secretive, almost the u. k. state inside the even more 6, tiffany intelligence agencies. you can get spice of easier information about what they, what they're up to. that'd be fine. 7 caught up was around it. well, the u. k. special policies company known as ss on october 27th last year. so soon off the start, the genocide, some of these paper if they will lead that the essay is that the probably to all based on cyprus, full does the operations. and then the following data that will take the 28th you came in. it's already sent out the notice to every media. and it's a saying don't publish any information about what the ss is up to in israel and gaza. and since that day, we've not had any information about what the special forces today, which is as again in the context of what was about the legal process, its own dying. we could be directly in both on the ground in gaza. i don't know. oh,

it's not showing on the ground used to ignore the d notices when we were in britain . maybe that's why we're in do body. but to kareem khan as being on this show and see for us to gauge your of the international vocation, go to international criminal court. and he's certainly not looking into your allegations. people can follow you on x, of course, because you reproduce the maps during the flights uh where britain and this is hundreds of thousands, mostly women and children. but it would be aid of the roy levels. yeah. the disgrace in the name of the r s, but it does, but people are surprised. i have to say when, when they, when they are made aware of what is going on, it completely appends the whole world because we're sitting on our phones. so the worst stuff you've ever seen a large, maybe the was stuff you know, my salvation campaigns, a bullying of civilians, relentless every day. kids enrolled me to make the kids, the new modem, conflicts of kids with that, but no legs, the legs spun off,

almost blown off is horrendous. and then you know that we're not only just giving them diplomatic support, sending them moms, we're supplying intelligence for them to get this operation done. and people are shocked by that, which i think is why the mainstream media is so uh, it is sold by the company because again, they protect, protect power. and when have a, a ro is mentioned, this was mentioned in a kind of benign uh, basically taking the official line and the for so long as we have nothing to do with what's going on in the ground. we are in new york for about helping use right to, to, to rescue all hostage which is rubbish. i think so. um yeah. is this hernandez, i think the environment is, i mean, and people are watching uh, these mouthpiece media like bbc less and less. what do you like in in britain then? i mean that my 6 is the who are friends with zekia style. murray, persecuted julie innocent. we both interviewed jeremy colbin in a new environment where people aren't any more persuaded by the propaganda media

system. their way could they do what they did to jeremy corbin, the most popular uh i mean, socialist kind of lead to well positioned leader in the west viewer by these fake anti semitism. says, could they ever do it again, or are they that those deep state actors and that is your understanding. it was the deep state that you know, that people can look online to see the british soldiers using pictures of goldman as target practice. and that kind of stuff, or yeah, i mean that, again, it a to go back to what i said about the media and the free press and the illusion around that is the same with democracy. we don't have a democracy in this country. we have an oligarchy, and that stopped working with jeremy copeland was elected in 2015. and as you said, the labor party swelled to the biggest part in western europe. and he was destroyed by uh, a campaign around that citizen. but also there was many, many elements of the british state, the, uh, the one in destroyed arms companies. you can military intelligence agencies,

the israel, low b, you got together. and actually the, the, the reason that the anti semitism campaign became the kind of central campaign was, but it was much better than the other ones. the left were very bad at defending themselves. colbin himself was by the defending. and so, um, so that he was a traitor out. he was a traitor. uh give me, but that was okay. more important than goldman. what about you? because you are covering these stories about the so called deep states. i'm a girl at the state of a genocidal country like breaking what. how, how safe are you? we know reports of kick plan bug, the great journalist for the great zone being stopped at heathrow airport. sarah wilkinson, the pro palestinian peace activist and journalist, i understand, has been visited by police, richard, midwest. i mean, i do feel safe, that am i. the 5 will knock on your door and special branch one, knock on your door any time soon as you show the flights of the british war plains

aiding the genocide in gaza. what are the any one sites the speaking out in the u. k. now, cuz it's not just the, the youngest you mentioned just recently. um a so when stanley, he's a very good reporter for electronic and funny. yeah. this house rated by the place . i don't and they sees the oldest devices, but what was quite scary about what happened to him was he wasn't even charged or arrested. so apparently in the u. k. under there was a noise they can come in the place and take away your devices without even charging you with the crime which is for outrages. and then you had sarah wilkinson, as you mentioned, richard, my task. and that basically clumping donald democracy because they've lost control of the narrative, as even as you mentioned, the side of the power social media independent media has as growing massively. and it helps to move the conversation away from the state narrative. now in the context of when you lose control of the narrative for your traditional media assets and you lose control of the population, are you a majority?

one honest and ball going to cease while? then the only thing you have left is to be something the population with the low. i don't think we're going to see increasing amounts of oppression and it has actually picked up. must have younger kids, dhamma. but those that the journalist i mentioned they will arrested or detained or rated on the case by my so i think we're going to see the escalade in terms of me personally. i think the i'm no different to the rest of the independent media space . wherever you expect to all know that there is, there are risks that come to a new that are impressive and to and the other thing is we know that the public sphere in the u. k is undefended. so it will the janice, i mentioned sir wilkinson, richard, my test, i have been standing not to be struck there recently. overrated. arrested, charged. and no single word has ever appeared about in the mainstream media. so it's just the a part of the a, the news, the, it's just completely a raised from mass media. i mean, it took me to cable scare. i think for me that was more scary than the rights

themselves. yeah, that's, that's silence to give us common some sympathy. i mean, i was on bbc question time with them a while back. i don't have much sympathy. we can look up house. his kind prosecution service tried to pin fake rape claims on julie and assigned you write about this 10000 perhaps us soldiers in britain. i mean the hostages here, the british government is britain like south korea are actually which is being in the news this week. a, a under military or keep patient i, i know that talking about drones anything are you have like in the heathen area available from the drones which so we're so little joining the circle door ontario . is it? do you feel like that? yeah, we are. and again, it is completely silenced by the mainstream media, but i did a lot of work about the u. k. military presence in the u. k. and it's over 12000 us troops permanently stationed in the u. k. across the 11. so who are the sites that quote are yes, but at least to the americans,

an upright aspect to be is us spaces and they, for i also submissions often a legal ones. um, web like what kinds of carried out they were involved in, in operations in libya, iraq, other places we're not allowed to know anything that happens on them. that's the outraged while it pops me up to pace yourself with us. she's the outrages you can get some information about already upsides what you can give it to you is if you ask through transparency mechanisms about the us print military presence, you just told we don't comment on allies movements or activities in our country, which is a huge black hole in america, in burgess democracy and that, and then the other side of that is and also is another method by co, uh, is, is the us intelligence role. because we know that as a massive c, i a site already of crowds in which was the base where outside of which, how redone was killed by um c i a uh office. uh, so cooler, so we've been spared throughout the country. um,

we know the guys give you to says choose the because largest instead of just i can see it has a huge station in coma who just keep viewed. it's not as leak showed the hot 50 percent of the funding for jesus to jesus. he viewed comes from the national security agency in the united states, so that price would be running the station and that's how it works. us just a, we are us or by some state and we do what we told we are i'm, i'm where we know a lot of government does not allow us to know anything about that. us like tablets activity. i notice the transparency should be much higher before and me. that's a reason for an intelligent agency in our country. we should know more about we should be able to know more about them than all right. but basically opposite that cannot. thank you. that's it for the sho. matchbook the rack is a row group. all of us the american empire is out now continued condolences to those surviving the u. k. you as you um, genocide, here in this region, we will be back on monday for more on the scale of that genocide which could be as high as 25 percent of guys are killed until then. keep in touch by the social media

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