in a week where even major propaganda media like comcast guy, news warner brothers is cnn. that alone mouth piece is like your or our v c. have found it difficult to explain to their audiences. i think how it is that they support l guy to in syria. how does your book, the racket give us the dimension in which don't understand why the bbc and john simpson, people around the world? what know these people actually? no 1 may know what cnn is given by their viewing figures, but why the media are is completely up to they, they want to support those links to the atrocities and $911.00. this is interesting, isn't it? i think it goes to the hall, the message of the books, which is the mainstream media, is not what we told is not what. uh, what were you dining jonathan school? but we are a check on our journalism uh the constructs the lives of the state and corporations

when you get inside it. and i work for the financial times, if most of the reporting was done, what are the financial funds you realize the actually, the mainstream media is really an adjunct to state power. often they do do some good stories of sort of scandals and that kind of thing. but in terms of systematic analysis, a systematic, the construction of the propaganda, you're getting none of it. and that's why this is such a beautiful system in a way because it does allow some freedom within those confines of the main stream media. but. ready really it protects power all times and just just to go to a point about what's happening in syria. so of course, outside that now which is re branded is h t, as in syria in syria, is useful to us now because we have been trying to, over through the us government for over 10 years. so those people as soon as they, as soon as they become useful to us, we have we, we rehabilitate them, and propagandized for them. in fact, there was an article today that they kind of grew up,

which said something utilize of how to bypass the friendly just had it. so going to build a new syria, that kind of line something that you the people diversity on behalf of those that have been historically chopping the heads of children. exactly, i'm, i'm imagining, he told someone that you know, the type of 2001 in america. the $23.00 is made. so we're going to have mainstream media. i actually talk about alti does as a good thing, and about how they can bring a new syria. after a decade of war. it is, is preposterous, but it is not, but it's not just syria, it goes against everything. every systematic, the mode of exploitation is practiced by the west is justified, is legitimized by the mainstream media, not since published this whole heaps of ideology, which were fight from a very young age, which is effectively who lies. and we don't have

a media which takes airport, we have a media which regards to types it. so we live swimming and propaganda and it needs to change. i do think it is changing now. i think it's that's any different from even the time i was working at the financial times, which was a 2009 to 2012, that was the mainstream media had more of a hold on the narrative than they do now. because social media has allowed us to bypass the mainstream media, and that is why there's such a tax on social media, but also why this whole industry is brought to the about this information, which again is a junk state. how often if you look at these organizations, the funding, so who this information they often funded by the foreigner base or the state department. and they, what they're about is to try and be legitimize new voices, the work outside the mainstream, and reveal new truths that you called into the mainstream. says that there's always ways of how we want to protect itself in new circumstances. yeah, we have the hallmark to thank for knowing the brand american watch hall,

good war planes. we used to protect our kinder effect this week, despite denials. of course, he alone must. we might get into that late service because he relates to bolivia, renewal book, lithium. uh, quite important for his cause he mentioned jones as some adjust that you went to the prestigious columbia journalism school in the book. you say they went through all to the racket and it's lies and questioning. things made you out to summer n t, a metric to tell me about the columbia journalism school, which, you know, some people in the academy might know why the public, the, i've never heard of these places. yes, it's the school is basically the most elite done is a school in the world, and it creates an educate stubs of next generation of, for corporate journalists in the state school. so worldwide. and i didn't really know that before i went to nicely went to lead university in the u. k. so normally do university by go good story when i was there,

which means to columbia by city. but i was extremely disappointed by the the cult and the level of journalism that was being to practice the just one example is a henry kissinger who died recently. but is one of the most blood sites will criminals of the 20th century. he came to columbia university when i was there, and i found that he comes, came every year and a to kind of speak, can pontificate about politics and blah, blah, blah. and he was accepted as a sort of a kind of a wound cuddly statesman. and i was in the re way of when you're speaking and i put my hand up and i just said, how do you sleep at night? and the whole room just like you to go in order to goest and then everything is silent. and he said, do you think you a maurice superior to me? and that's an easy question to also when it's time it gets into your asking you. so i said yes. and he said, and then he went okay, there was

a bit of back and forth. he was like, well, the, the stuff you brady, who lives, blah, blah, blah. but interesting, the often that i was attacked massively by the faculty itself. one of the they to a system here that will cover those left. exactly like the, what i did was disgraceful, and one came up to me often and said, you disgraced yourself the other day. i go by saying 0 support, but that is very telling about what columbia university's role is. it's to whitewash and to support essentially american war criminals and make the actions seeing pop. what we're told is a little while ago during a world of law and blah blah, blah. so the night with all normal exceptions, jeffrey sachs, i know victoria newland and hillary clinton in there at the moment. no jeffrey sites, it's amazing that he's not in the journalism school. the i'm focused is because i've done it this way so, so i would great academic throughout colombia and also there are few in columbia that few and far between. i knew some ways they also at and generate the illusion.

that is, there is a free culture that that's critical of power because it's kind of a fig leaf. so they say, oh we go x x professor. but on the general level is just, uh, uh, it's a, it's what you would expect if you're talking about the most elite school in, in journalism, in america, is just producing the next, ideologically trained, propagandist for the american empire essentially. and then the same happened when i went to financial as long as you realize, okay, well, i've done all the things i need to learn to enter the mainstream media. but luckily i had others as the japanese newspaper that told you. go away and do your save the world stuff. when you left, i was asked you to editor the etc. and that was like, oh yeah. he said uh, i mean he was, is a nice enough guy, but he said uh, i wasn't an s t john list. go in the say blood stuff love you can come back when you're a bit older. but what it actually, that'd be nice to get to this week's events that given you

a threatened me personally, i should say, i am proud to say, i mean, am i 6 as far as we know, he's actively supporting what's going on. and i don't know whether you don't most with it because we can see on social media the, the, the how kind of do we balance, whether that's shamed. what's your blinking state department? just say look, we don't, we don't doing this. and jake sullivan displayed having previously said outside is on us side, and through the kind of distancing themselves with the same time on the hand. having to do it under how does that? because it must be a hard sell even to those young listen use desk to say yeah, we're on the side of the outside an isis. yeah. yeah. is and obviously um they want to do it on the east side. there's been quite a lot of, i think, so he's gonna come out in the eighty's route saying israel prefers to have a set in place rather than the unknown of outside or somebody's not us government, which i think it's just a began to pull out by, by these raise to try and monday,

the was what is very, very clear, the israel, the united states allies have been trying to break the excess of resistance for that for over a decade. and syria is a key part of the supply line from iran says, blog. and also will this happen soon hosted up, seized by the it was was known. so i think will these things are connected and what they want to do is a, for the servers, even they don't catch who they use. that's the point. so they, well obviously they wanted the car body because apart for about this, the reasons why you say, but even then they know that i'm catching much like i said, but also in the daily telegraph and you're going to see more, more about that. people have short memories and people are very, very susceptible to propaganda. look, i. cs is re brand some they were previously outside of. they've now they, they went to they, they start wearing suits. they said, oh we, we went about diversity. we work outside of now. um and people buy it for me. yeah. and she has this, we go hungry about a cooper should have

a christmas tree being taken down because of course they want to kill. the christians is starkly. i mean, i don't think they get over there though that the you a president phoned as that on the day to give support the saudi arabia are a friends with iran to this region as changed. what do you think about organizations that are being pro palestine? we're looking, we're looking at the genocide, you can see the guitar a news channel allowed to 0. where was the 1st ever english language? oh boy. interesting how they're imbedded it seems without guide. well, can saw was allegedly one of the main from the news, right? as well, which is what page the pre gusts, the ideas that came out during the time. and kazora's go uh, quite a be record of support and extreme is across the region to be in the syrian civil war. and so, i mean, i think the, i, as you don't know about the position of the u, i e,

in the saudis as well. i think that essentially they want to break your on the backs . i've certainly not there, certainly not that position. and of course we are here, of course, it is starkly. in fact, that's really what i'm going to about the i presume they haven't just read your book and realized that history has changed. but i mean, as you, delaney, i, the i, m, f and world bank, destructive policies. people increasingly, you know, going to one these loans. are they, these countries? i mean, you can see molly and send a goal and you can see what's happening in the southeast asia. i mean, i'm not saying is just your books clearly, but the world has changed, doesn't that? i mean, obviously ukraine has made that change up to the sanctions on russia and the sanctions on china. do you see the changing now? as, yeah, there's been a massive shift to the east, essentially, and it's mainly around china to be honest with you. because even russia is not in terms of its economy on the same scale, was trying to, to try and as rise. and let's say in my 1015 years it could be the biggest economy

in the well, um, regardless of what you think about the chinese government, uh, the space that opens up full uh, independent governments in africa and latin america, asia to operate is huge because off to the end of the cold war, there was only one game in town, which was the us, you know, and there was a pretty big time the less than independent movements. get this out. the taste isn't not nice for mexico, but, and then it changed a bit when travis came in in 1999 in venezuela. but essentially, if you're trying to escape these institutions are the, i'm asking well back, which are for it to be on the united states. that was, there wasn't any other po, to organize around the next change now. and you see the brakes uh, buying can and, and also some of the 2 things happening that i kind of, i get back in it. i'll stop you there more from the all of the racket, a real group, both of us as the american empire and co founder declassified u. k. after this break the,

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so i assume you just came, but it's about time you have with them using it. when you watch and of course it's a little less to shut somebody listing what you're not going when one of them is rates for doesn't like us and us so less than for almost 137000000. those are the places up with national by the number i to i thought about that of us with all of that or can you initially it will be with the welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with the author of the rock as a rogue report. of as the american amber and co founder of declassified you came, i cannot math in part one. you are talking about this new world world,

or is it that we're as regards of new ways to, to have a economies in the global south. but this is happening at the same time, the rise of china, which is already the biggest economy by a, by b, b, b, as the genocide is how you are in london. i mean, how hard is it for them to comprehend these journalists, the british public? what the government is doing and you might have to remind us, what exactly is the british role in the genocide that you've been, i know, tweeting and writing about the intimate relationship between this a k as tom, a government and genocide, making him able criminal. yeah, well essentially, i think that's the top line, but we are not just completed indigent, assigning goes away participants and have be from the start date. but in terms of or will impact upside on the public, the public don't know because it goes back to your original question about the

media. the media has left out all the information that people would need to understand all role. in fact, at the classified we've done pretty much all the work on the u. k. military intelligence role, which is extreme. i would say that this is a tripod type genocide. this is a u. k. us and israel us is providing most of the options you guys providing most of the intelligence and these roles getting done. and in terms of how that works on the ground. there's one story came on the new york times in the summer that the u. k. uh uh, intelligent services had deployed a spite team inside israel to help these route with this operation and gaza. so that came out of new times as least find his right. the official and these ready officials said that the guy spies were giving quote, value added to his ready operations and they were quote, providing intelligence we call and collect and all right, so this is huge in the context of the fact that as licensee west runs off of the prime minister in the form of defense men is the, the fact that as

a genocide case at the i c j, the wells high school ongoing i need and these and he's ready. officials a leaking that the british have been providing stuff that they call collect and that right, you would think that might interest the media. that story is never be mentioned in the u. k. media, the other, the other side of it, there's never thoughts about is the we are the you, k is sending a spice by, oh, because up everyday, pretty much and sometimes to the, now they're in the sky for 6 hours. and they, the, that intelligence has been been positive these raised now the u. k. say, well, it's just the hostage rescue, but we've only got one hostage in casa and we had to win the flight started. one of them was killed, it looks like bodies ready themselves. so what is that information? why is it going and what, what, what does it involve? because my hunch is that it probably is being used for operations by his route. because it,

i think it semantic lovely because if you says i need to do with hostage rescue while these run, these present the whole offensive, because uh, as hostage rescue operations. so it gives them leeway to, to do whatever they want. again, there was a question in parliament actually all the while it was democrats here recently, but he said he also ministry defense. can you tell me the information we providing to israel is not being used for military targeting, and they refused to watch so, so, so there's a box that's the thing that's highly suspicious. the other side of it is a special forces. now special thoughts is people don't know a highly secretive, almost the u. k. state. if either even more 6, tiffany intelligence agencies, you can get spice of easier information about what they, what they're up to. that'd be fine. 7 close up was around it. well, do you guys special policies company known as ss on october 27th last year. so soon off the start the genocide, the some of these paper if they will lead to that the so you said deployed to all based on cyprus,

full garza operations. and then the following day to that october 28th, you came in and terry sent out the notice to every media and it's the same. don't publish any information about what the ss is up to in israel and garza. and since that day, we've not had any information about what the special forces a day, which is as again in the context of what goes about these legal process is ongoing . we could be directly involved on the grounding, cause i don't know is a promotion going on the ground used to ignore the d notes because when we were in britain, maybe that's why we're in. do bonnie but to kareem khan has been on this show and see for us to gauge your of the international vocation, go to international criminal court. and he's certainly not looking into your allegations. people can follow you on x. of course, because you'd reproduce the map showing the flights uh where britain and this is hundreds of thousands, mostly women and children budded with the aid of the roy levels. yeah, the disgrace in the name of the the r f, but it does,

but people are surprised. i have to say when, when they, when they are made aware of what is going on, it completely appends the whole world because we're sitting on our phones. so the west stuff you have is, you know, it's maybe the west stuff, you know, my salvation campaigns of bombing of civilians, relentless every day kids and will need to make the kids, the new modem, conflicts of kids with the no legs. the legs spun off almost, but enough is horrendous. and then you know that we're not only just giving them diplomatic support, sending them moms, we're supplying intelligence for them to get this operation done. and people are shocked by that, which i think is why the mainstream media is so it is sold by the company because again, they protect, protect power. and whenever a row is mentioned is always mentioned in a kind of benign uh, basically taking the official line and the for so long as we have nothing to do with what's going on in the ground we are in new york for about helping use. right . is to to, to rescue all hostage which is rubbish. i think so. yeah. is this,

i run this, i think the environment is, i mean, and people are watching uh, these mouthpiece media like bbc less and less. what's the like in, in britain then i mean that my 6 is the who are friends with zekia style. murray, persecuted julie, in a sense we both interviewed jeremy colbin in a new environment where people aren't any more persuaded by the propaganda media system. their way could they do what they did to jeremy corbin, the most popular uh stacks and i mean socialist kind of leader will position leader in the west of your by these fake anti semitism. says, could they ever do it again, or are they that those deep state actors and that is your understanding. it was the deep state that you know, that people can look online to see the british soldiers are using pictures of colon as target practice and that kind of stuff. yeah, i mean that, again, it's a go back to what i said about the media and the free press and the illusion around that is the same with democracy. we don't have

a democracy in this country. we have an oligarchy, and that stopped working with jeremy called him, was elected in 2015. and as you said, the labor party swelled to the biggest party in western europe. and he was destroyed by uh, a campaign around that symbolism. but also there was many, many elements of the british state, the, uh, the one is in destroyed arms companies. you can military intelligence agencies, the israel o, b i, you got together. and actually the, the, the reason that the anti semitism campaign came to kind of central campaign was, but it was much better than the other ones. the less were very bad at defending themselves. colbin himself was by the defending himself. um so that he was a traitor. out, he was a traitor, i'll give me, but that was okay. more important than colbin. what about you? because you are covering these stories about the so called the states. i'm a girl at the state of a genocidal country like breaking what. how, how safe are you? we know reports of kick plan bug,

the great journalist for the great zone being stopped, as he threw up with sarah wilkinson, the pro palestinian peace. activist and journalist, i understand, has been visited by police, richard, midwest. i mean, i do feel safe that they might, 5 will knock on your door and special broncho knock on your door any time soon as you show the flights of british war plains aiding the genocide in gaza. what are the, any one sites that speaking out in the u. k. now, cuz it's not just the, the youngest you mentioned just recently. um a so when stanley, who's a very good reporter for electronic and funny. yeah, this house rated by the place i don't. and they sees the oldest devices, but what was quite scary about what happened to him was he wasn't even charged or arrested. so apparently in the u. k. under there was a noise they can come in the place and take away your devices without even charging you with the crime which is for outrages. and then you had sarah wilkinson,

as you mentioned, and richard met us. um that basically uh, clumping donald democracy because they've lost control of the narrative as even as you mentioned, the side of the power social media independent media has as growing massively. and it helps to move the conversation away from the state narrative. now in the context of when you lose control of the narrative for your traditional media assets and you lose control of the population, i majority one honest and ball going to cease. while the only thing you have left is to be something the population with the low, i don't think we're going to see increasing amounts of oppression and it has actually picked up. must have younger kids, sama, those that the journalist i mentioned they will arrested or detained. or rated on the case by my so i think we're going to see that escalate. in terms of me personally, i think the i'm no different to the rest of the independent media space wherever you expect to all know that there is, there are risks that come to a new that are impressive in to. and the other thing is we know that the public

sphere in the u. k is undefended. so it will, the journalist i mentioned sir wilkinson, richard. my test. i have been standing not to be struck there recently. overrated. arrested, charged. and no single word has ever paid about in the mainstream media. so it's just the a part of the a, the news, the, it's just completely a raised from mass media. i mean, it took me to google scholar. i think for me that was more scary than the rights themselves. yeah, that's. that's silence to give some some sympathy. i mean, i was going to be requesting time with them a while back. i don't have much sympathy. we can look up how it is kind of prosecution service tried to pin fake rape claims on julian assigned. you write about this 10000 perhaps us soldiers in britain. i mean, the hostages here, the british government is, is, uh, britain like south korea or actually which is being in the news this we a, a, under military or keep patient i, i know that talking about drones anything are you have like in the heathen area

available from the drones which so we're so little joining the circle door ontario . is it? do you feel like that? yeah, we are. and again it, so it's gonna be so i just wanted to make sure we do, but i did a lot of work about the u. k military presence in the u. k. and it's over 12000 us troops permanently stationed in the u. k. across the 11. so who are a sites that quote are yes, but at least to the americans an upright expect to be is us spaces and they, for i also submissions often a legal ones. um, web like what kinds of carried out they were involved in, in operations in libya, iraq, other places. we're not allowed to note anything that happens on the that's the outraged wall policy of the patient itself with us to the outrages you can get some information about all we have sites what you can give it to use. if you ask through transparency mechanisms about the us print military presence, you just told we don't comment on allies movements or activities in our country, which is a huge black hole in america,

in burgess democracy and that. and then the other side of that is and also is another method by co is, is the us intelligence role. because we know that as a massive c, i a so i already have crowds in which was the base where outside of which, how are we done? was killed by a c i a office of unsecure. let's see. we've been screwed throughout the country. um we know the g, c, h give you just use the because largest instead of just i can see it has a huge station in coma who teaches q period. it's not as leak showed the hot 50 percent of the funding for jesus to jesus. he viewed comes from the national security agency in the united states, so that price would be running the station, and that's how it works. us just, we all us a vast, some state and we do what we told we are i'm, i'm where we know a lot and now government does not allow us to know anything about that. us like tablets, activity i know is the transparency should be much higher before and me. that's

a reason for any type of just agencies in our country. we should know more about we should be able to know more about them than all right. about face the opposite and that kind of thank you or that's it for the show match book. the rack is a real group. all of us, the american empire is out now continued condolences to those surviving the u. k. u s. u, i'm genocide here in this region will be back on monday for more on the scale of that genocide which could be as high as 25 percent of guys are killed until then. keep in touch by the social media, if it's not sense of new country and then to our channel going under warranty view and revel dot com to mention, you know, the episodes. i'm going underground to you. monday. the, the, the bulk of the wall claimed and ruined the lines of tens of thousands, but it was the hague tribunal, with delta finishing flow to the subs. less on expand on. yeah,

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