to going underground rule got single around the world from a middle east where nato proxy forces, in concert with israel and al qaeda, trying to ever throw governments not only in palestine, but in lebanon. and now syria. this is nato finally, j simon and defeat and its proxy war and russia through ukraine. all these issues and from the british, is riley genocide in gaza to nato nation attempts to destroy everything from venezuela in this a health and south east asia. a given the propaganda treatment in totality area and so called western newspapers, tv, cinema and literature. but there are some who have expose the lies in the rackets a rogue report versus the american empire co founder of declassified you came. i cannot delineate something of the systematic corrosion while a few moments a by imperial forces. no wonder it comes into us to buy long term friends of going underground jump hills. you know, i'm john ski and juliet assigned your math joins me now from lunch. now thanks so much for coming on. i want to book uh the, the rackets is, it's been

a week where even major propaganda media like comcast sky news, warner brothers is cnn. that alone mouth piece is like your or our v. c. i found it difficult to explain to their audiences, i think how it is that they support l guy to in syria. how does your book, the racket give us the dimension in which to understand why the bbc and john simpson people are on the well, what know these people, uh, actually no 1 may know what cnn is given by their viewing figures. but why the media are, is completely up to they, they want to support those links to the atrocities and $911.00. it's yeah. what is interesting, isn't it? i think it goes to the hall. the message is the books, which is that the mainstream media is not what we told is not what uh, what were you dining? john is a school that we are a check on power. the journalism, the constructs the lies of the state and corporations. when you get inside it and i

work for the financial times, and for most of the reporting was done, was that the financial times you realize that actually the mainstream media is really an adjunct to state power. often they do do some good stories of sort scandals and that kind of thing. but in terms of systematic analysis, a systematic, the construction of the propaganda, you get none of it. and that's why this is such a beautiful system in a way because it does allow some freedom within those confines of the mainstream media. but. ready really, it protects how old times and just just to go to a point about what's happening in syria. so of course, outside of now, which is re branded as h t, as in syria in syria, is useful to us now because we have been trying to, over through the us government for over 10 years. so those people as soon as they uh, as soon as they become useful to us, we have we, we rehabilitate them, and propagandized for them. in fact,

there was an article today that they tend to grow. we've said sub utilize of how and i guess the front of the job had is still going to build a new syria, that kind of line something that you people, diversity on behalf of those that have been historically chopping the heads of children. exactly. i'm, i'm imagining, he told someone that you know, the type of 2001 in america. 23 is made. so we're going to have mainstream media. i actually told you about hawkeye does as a good thing and about how they can bring a new syria. after a decade of war. it is, is preposterous, but it is not based, not just syria. it goes against everything. every systematic mode of exploitation is practiced by the west is justified, is legitimized by the mainstream media. and that's his purpose, this whole heaps of ideology, which were fight from a very young age which effectively old lies. and we don't have

a media which takes it apart. we have a media which regards to types it. so we live swimming and propaganda and it needs to change. i do think it is changing now. i think it's that should be different from even the time i was working at the financial times, which was a 2009 to 2012. that was the mainstream media had more of a hold on the narrative than they do now. because social media has allowed us to bypass the mainstream media and that is why it is such a tax on social media. but also why this whole industry is brought it up about this information. which again is a junk state. how often if you look at these organizations, the funding, so who this information they often funded by the far enough, based on the state department. and they, what they are about is to try and be legitimize new voices the work outside the mainstream, and reveal new truths that you can't get into the mainstream. so that there's always ways that powell will work to protect itself in new circumstances. yeah, we have enormous. good,

thank for knowing the brand american was whole good war planes. we used to protect our kaiser in effect this week despite denials. of course he alone must go . we might get into that late ser, cuz he relates to bolivia, renewal book, lithium uh, quite important for his cause. he mentioned germs that some adjust that you went to the prestigious columbia journalism school in the book. you say they went through all to the racket and it's lies and questioning things. maybe you out to summer n t, a metric. to tell me about the columbia journalism school, which, you know, some people in the academy might know the way to public the i've never heard of these places. the yes, the columbia genesis, who is basically the most elite, john, is a school in the world. and it creates an educate stubs of next generation of top corporate journalists in the state school. so worldwide. and i didn't really know that before i went now nicely went to leads university in the u. k. so normally do university

by go good story. when i was there, which got me into columbia by city, but i was extremely disappointed by the, the culture and the level of journalism that was being to practice the just one example is henry kissinger, who died recently. but is one of the most blood sites will criminals of the 20th century. he came to columbia university when i was there. and i found that he comes, came every year and that's a kind of speak can participate about the politics and blah, blah, blah. and he was accepted as a sub, a kind of a long cuddly statesman. and i was in the room way of winning a speaking. and i put my hand up and i just said, how do you sleep at night? and the whole room, just like you to go in order to goest and then everything in silence. and he said, do you think you are more, are you superior to me? and that's an easy question to also when is henry kissinger you're asking you. so i

said yes and he said, and then he went okay, there was a bit of back and forth. he was like, well the, the stuff you brady's who lives, blah, blah, blah. but interesting, the often i always attacked massively by the faculty itself. one of the they to a system here that will cover those. what exactly they thought the, what i did was disgraceful one came up to me often and said you disgraced yourself the other day. i go by saying 0 support. but that is very telling about what columbia university's role is to whitewash and to support essentially american war criminals and make the actions seeing what we've told is a little while ago during a world of law and blah, blah, blah. so the night with all normal exceptions, jeffrey sachs, i know victoria newland and hillary clinton are there at the moment. no jeffrey sites, it's amazing that he's going to journalism school. the i'm focused is to be a lot of times as well as those are great academic throughout colombia, and also there are few in columbia that few and far between. i knew some ways they

also add on and generate the illusion is there is a free code to that. that's a critical power because there's kind of a fig leaves that they say, oh, we go x x professor. but on a general level is just, uh, uh, it's, uh, it's what you would expect if you're talking about the most elite school in, in journalism, in america. it's just producing the next, ideologically trained propaganda is for the american empire centrally. and then the same happened when i went to financial as long as you realize, okay, well, i've got hold of things i need to learn to enter the mainstream media. but luckily i had about as, as the japanese newspaper that told you, go away and do your save the world stuff. when you left, i was i see the editor, the etc. so that was like, oh, yeah. as he said, uh, i mean he was, is a nice enough guy. uh, but he said uh, i wasn't an s t john list. go in the say blood stuff and maybe he can come back when you're a bit older. but what it actually,

that'd be nice to get to this week's events that given you a threatened me personally, i should say, i am proud to say, i mean, am i 6 as far as we know, he's actively supporting what's going on. and i don't know whether you don't most with it because we can see on social media the, the outside to read violence, whether that's shamed. what's your blinking state department? just say look, we don't, we don't doing this. and jake sullivan displayed having previously said outside is on that side and through the kind of distance weaknesses with the same time on the hand. having to do it under how does that? because it must be a hard sell even to those young listeners desk to say, yeah, we're on the side of the outside an isis. yeah. yeah. is an obviously, um, they want to do it on the hand. i mean start this being quite a lot of, i think stories of come out in the eighty's route saying israel prefers to have a set in place rather than the unknown of outside or somebody's name is government, which i think it's just a began to pull out by, by these really is to try and monday the was when it's very, very clear,

the israel, the united states allies have been trying to break the excess of persistence for the, for over a decade. and syria is a key part of the supply line from iran says blog. and also will this happen soon after that ceased by the it was, was low. and so i think will these things are connected. and what they want to do is a, for the service, even i don't care who they use, that's the point. so they, well obviously they want to come by the, because the part about this, the reasons why you say, but even then they know they don't catch you much. like i said, but also in the daily telegraph and you're going to see more, more about that. people have short memories and people are very, very susceptible to propaganda. look, i see us as re brand some they were previously outside of. they've now they, they went like they start wearing suits. they said all where we went about diversity. we was outside and out. um and people buy it from. yeah.

and she has this, we go hungry about a cooper should have a christmas tree being taken down because of course they want to kill the questions as starkly. i mean, i don't think they get over there though that the you a president phoned as that on the day to give support the saudi arabia are a friends with a ron. this region has changed. what do you think about organizations that are being pro palestine? looking, looking at the genocide, you can see the guitar a news channel allowed to 0. where was the 1st ever english language? and boy, interesting how they're embedded. it seems without guide. well, can saw was allegedly one of the main fund, the news, right, as well, which is what pays it pre gusts to ideas that came out during the time. and kids are as, go uh, quite a be record of support and extreme is across the region to be in the syria and civil war. and so, i mean, i think the, i,

as you don't know about the position of the u, i. e, in the saudis as well. i think that the, essentially they want to break your on the tags. i've certainly not there, certainly not that position. and of course we are here. of course it is starkly. in fact, that's really what i'm coming to about the, i presume they haven't just read your book and realized that history has changed. but i mean, as you, delaney, i, the i, m, f and world bank destructive policies. people increasingly, you know, going to one these loans are they, these countries? i mean, you can see molly and send a goal and you can see what's happening in the southeast asia. i mean, i'm not saying is just your books clearly, but the world has changed, doesn't it? i mean, obviously ukraine has made that change up to the sanctions on russia and the sanctions on china. do you see the changing now? yeah, there's been a massive shift to the east, essentially, and it's major on china to be honest with you, because even russia is not in terms of its economy on the same scale, was trying to trying his rise. and let's say in my 1015 years it could be the

biggest economy in the well, i'm, regardless of what you think about the chinese government, the space that opens up for a copy independent governments in africa and latin america. asia to operate is huge because of the end of the cold war. there was only one game in town which was the us, you know, and there was a pretty bleed side to the less than independent movements. you have this, i think there's a 99 for mexico with that. and then it changed a bit when travis came in in 1999 and venezuela. but essentially, if you're trying to escape these institutions are the i'm asking well back, which are for it to be honest with united states. that was there wasn't any other po, to organize around the next change now. and you see the brakes uh, banking and also some of the 2 things that happening that i kind of, i get back in. it also helped me in that more from the ortho of the racket. a real group of us is the american empire and co founder declassified u. k. after this break the,

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same wrong just on the safe house because the advocates and engagement includes the trails when so many find themselves will support, we choose to look for the common ground, the the welcome back to going on the go ahead. i'm still here with the author of the rock as a rogue, reported as the american amber and co founder of declassified. you came back in a math and thought when you were talking about this new world order as it were. as regards of new ways to, to have a economies in the global south. but this is happening at the same time, the rise of china, which is already the biggest economy by a, by b b. as the genocide is happening. now you're in london. i mean,

how hard is it for them to comprehend these journalists that learned the british public what the government is doing? and you might have to remind us, what exactly is the british role in the genocide that you've been? i know tweeting and writing about the intimate relationship between this a cast. i'm a government and genocide making him able criminal. yeah. well essentially, i think that's the top line that we are not just complicit in the genocide and goes away participants and have be from the start actually. but in terms of what impact that's had on the public, the public don't know because it goes back to your original question about the media. the media has left out all the information that people would need to understand all role in front of the classified. we've done pretty much all the work on the u. k. military intelligence role, which is extreme. uh, i would say that this is a tripod type genocide. this is a u. k. us and israel us is providing most of the arms. you guys providing most of

the intelligence and these roles getting it done and in terms of how that works on the ground. there's one story came out in the new york times in the summer to the e. k. a. a intelligent services had deployed a spite team inside israel to help these route with this operation and gaza. so that came out of new, it's obviously find as radius. visually these ready officials said that the guy spies were giving quote, value added to his ready operations. and they were quote, providing intelligence we call and collect and all right, so this is huge in the context of the fact that as icy see west runs out for the prime minister in the form of defense minister. the fact that as a genocide case at the i c j, the was high school ongoing need and these and he's ready. officials a leaking that the british have a being providing stuff with a conflict. and i right, you would think that might interest the media. that story is never being mentioned in the media. the other, the other side of it,

there's never thoughts about is the we all the you k is sending a spice right. oh, because up everyday, pretty much and sometimes to it i now they're in the sky for 6 hours and they the that intelligence has been been positive these raise. now the u. k. say well, it's just the hostage rescue, but we've only got one hostage in gaza and we had to when the flight started, one of them was killed. it looks like bodies ready themselves. so what is that information? why is it going and what, what, what does it involve? because my hunch is that it probably is being used for operations by his route. because it, i think it's semantic westlake because he says, i need to do with hostage rescue. while these rallies present a whole uh, offensive because uh, as hostage rescue operations. so it gives them leeway to, to do whatever they want. again, there was a question in parliament, actually, all spotted democrats here recently, but he said he also ministry defense. can you tell me the information we're

providing to the israel is not being used for military targeting, and they refuse to watch so, so, so there's a box that's the document that's highly suspicious. the other side of is a special forces, a no special forces. people don't know a highly secretive, almost the u. k. state. if they're even more 6, tiffany intelligence agencies, you can get spice of easier information about what they, what they're up to. that'd be fine. 7 close up was around it. well, the u. k. special policies company known as ss on october 27th last year. so soon off the start, the genocide, the some of these paper they will lead to that the essay as a boy to all based on cyprus, full does the operations. and then the following day to that on 728 you came in, it's already sent out the notice to every media. it is the same song. publish any information about what the ss is up to in israel and gaza since that day. we've not had any information about what the special forces today, which is just again in the context of what goes about these legal process is

ongoing. we could be directly involved on the grounding, cause i don't know. oh, it's not showing on the ground used to ignore the d notices when we were in britain . maybe that's why we're in do body. but to kareem khan as being on this show and see for us to gauge your of the international vocational court into that for criminal court. and he's certainly not looking into your allegations. people can follow you on x, of course, because you'd reproduce the maps throwing the flights. uh where britain and this is hundreds of thousands, mostly women and children budded with the aid of the royal apples. yeah, the disgrace in the name of the the r s, but it does. but people are surprised. i have to say when, when they, when they are made aware of what is going on, it completely appends the whole world because we're sitting on our phones or so the was stuff you got to. so, you know, it's maybe the west stuff, you know, my salvation campaigns of warming of civilians, relentless every day kids and will need to make the kids, the new modem,

conflicts of kids with that, with no legs. the legs spun off, almost blown off, is horrendous. and then you know that we're not only just giving them diplomatic support, sending them moms, we're supplying intelligence for them to get this operation done. and people are shocked by that, which i think is why the mainstream media is so uh, it is sold by the company because again, they protect, protect power. and whenever a row is mentioned is always mentioned in a kind of a 9 uh, basically taking the official line. and the 1st one is we have nothing to do. it will stay on the ground. we own the uh for about helping use radius to, to, to rescue all hostage, which is rubbish. i think so. um yeah. is this hernandez? i think the environment is, i mean, and people are watching uh, these mouth piece media like bbc less and less. what do you like in in britain then? i mean i, my 6 is the friends that zekia style. murray, persecuted julie innocent. we both interviewed jeremy colbin in

a new environment where people aren't any more persuaded by the propaganda media system. their way could they do what they did to jeremy colbin? the most popular uh i mean, socialist kind of lead to well position leader in the west and your babies fake anti semitism, says could they ever do it again? or are they that those deep state actors and that is your understanding? it was the deep state that you know, that people can look online to see the british soldiers are using pictures of goldman is target practicing that kinda stuff. yeah, i mean that again, it's a go back to what i said about the media and the free press and the illusion around that is the same with democracy. we don't have a democracy in this country. we have an oligarchy, and that stopped working when during the cold, them was elected in 2015. and as you said, the live party swelled to the biggest party in western europe. and he was destroyed by a campaign around that symbolism. but also there was many, many elements of the british state, the, uh,

the one in destroyed arms companies. you can military intelligence agencies, the israel lobby that you got together. and actually the, the, the reason that the anti semitism campaign came to kind of central campaign was, but it was much better than the other ones. the left were very bad at defending themselves. colbin himself was by the defending himself. um so that he was a traitor. out, he was a traitor. uh give me but the. okay. more important and goldman. what about you? because you are covering these stories about the so called the states. i'm a girl at the state of a genocidal country like breaking what. how, how safe are you? we know reports of kick plan bug, the great journalist for the great zone being stopped, and he threw up with sarah wilkinson, the pro palestinian peace. activist and journalist i understand, has been visited by police, richard med host. i mean, i do feel safe that am i. the 5 will knock on your door and special branch one,

knock on your door any time soon as you show the flights of the british war plains aiding the genocide in gaza. what are the, any one sites the speaking out in the u. k. now, cuz it's not just the, the youngest you mentioned just recently. um a so when stanley, he's a very good reporter for electronic and funny. yeah. this house rated by the place i don't. and they sees the oldest devices, but what was quite scary about what happened to him was he wasn't even charged or arrested. so probably in the u. k. under there was and it was i can come in the place and take, we'll devices without even charging you with the crime which is for outrages. and then you had sarah wilkinson, as you mentioned, and richard met us. and that basically clumping down on democracy because they've lost control of the narrative, as you might, as you mentioned, the side of the power social media independent media has as growing massively. and it helps to move the conversation away from the state narrative. now in the context

of when you lose control of the narrative for your traditional media assets and you lose control of the population, are you a majority on an honest and ball going to cease? while the only thing you have left is the bishop in the population with the lot, i don't think we're going to see increasing amounts of oppression and it has actually picked up. must have been on the kids stomach. but those that, those done this i mentioned they will arrested or detained, they'll rated on the case by my so i think we're going to see that escalate in terms of me personally. i think the on, i'm no different to the rest of the independent media space wherever you expect to all know that there is, there are risk come to a new the or i'm president to and the other thing is we know that the public sphere in the u k is undefended. so it will the janice, i mentioned sir wilkinson richard made test ice the when standing not to be struck there recently. overrated. arrested charged. and no single word has ever paid about in the mainstream media. so it's just the a part of the news, the it's just completely

a raised from mass media. i mean it took me to gabriel scare. i think for me that was more scary than the rights themselves. yeah, that's that silence to give us promise. i'm sympathy. i mean, i was on bbc question time with them a while back. i don't have much sympathy. we can look up how it is kind of prosecution service tried to pin fake rape claims on julian assigned. you write about this 10000 perhaps us soldiers in britain. i mean the hostages here, the british government is britain like south korea are actually which is being in the news this week. a, a under military occupation. i. i know that talking about drones, anything already have lake and the heat that are available from the drones, which so we so little joining the circled wear and tear. is it? do you feel like that? yeah, we are. and again, this is going to be silenced by the mainstream media, but i did a lot of work about the u. k. military presence in the u. k. and it's over 12000 us

troops permanently stationed in the u. k. across the 11. so who are a sites that code are? yes, but at least to the americans and operate that to be is us spaces and they fly. also submissions often a legal ones. um, where, what, what kinds of carried out they were involved in, in operations in libya, iraq, other places we're not allowed to know anything that happens on them. that's the outraged wall. pop the of the patient itself with us to the outrages you can get some information about already upsize what you can give it to use. if you ask through transparency mechanisms about the us print military presence, you just told we don't comment on allies movements or activities in our country, which is a huge black hole in america and in burgess democracy and that. and then the other side of that is, and also is another message that co is, is the us intelligence role. because we know that there's a massive c i a side array of crowds in which was the base where outside of which how are we done was killed by a c i a of this uh, so cooler,

so it has been squared throughout the country. um we know the uh g c h give you just use the case largest instead of just i can see it has a huge station in coma who teaches q period it's known as lead, show the hot 50 percent of the funding for jesus to just keep viewed comes from the national security agency in the united states, so that base would be running the station and that's how it works. us just, we all us are by some state and we do what we told we are. i'm, we're, i'm where we know a lot and no government does not allow us to know anything about that. us like tablets, activity i know is the transparency should be much higher, but forwarded me to tell reason for an intelligence agencies in our country. we should know more about would you be able to know more about them then? all right, well basically, opposite. now cannot. thank you. that's it for the show match book. the rack is a real group. all of us are the american and buyers out now continued condolences to those surviving the u. k. you as you on genocide here in this region will be

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