the question, did you say even closer to the, [000:00:00;00] the time action or tennessee and welcome back to going, undergoing a rule got a single around the world from a middle east where nato proxy forces, in concert with israel and al qaeda, trying to ever throw governments not only in palestine, but in lebanon in the syria. this is nato. finally, j simon and defeat and its proxy war on russia through ukraine. all these issues and from the british, is writing the genocide in gaza to nato

a nation attempts to destroy everything from venezuela. give us a hell and southeast asia, a given the propaganda treatment in totalitarian, so called western newspapers, tv, cinema and literature. but there are some who have expose the lies in the rackets a rogue report versus the american empire co founder of d. classified you came, i cannot delineate something of the system as a corrosion. well, few ma'am. as a by imperial forces. no wonder it comes into us to buy long term friends of going underground. joan pills, you know, i'm john ski and juliet sandra math joins me now. from lunch. now, thanks so much for coming on. i want to book, uh the, the rackets is, it's been a week where even major propaganda media like comcast sky news, warner brothers is cnn. that alone mouth piece is like your or our b, b. c. i found it difficult to explain to their audiences, i think how it is that they support l guy to in syria. how does your book,

the racket give us the ensign in which to understand why the bbc and john simpson people are on the well, what know these people actually? no 1 may know what cnn is given by their viewing figures, but why the media are is completely up to they. they want to support those links to the atrocities in $911.00. it's yeah. what is interesting, isn't it? i think it goes to the hall, the message of the book, which is that the mainstream media is not what we told is not what uh, what were you dining? john is a school that we are a check on power. the journalism, the constructs the lives of the state and corporations when you get inside it and i work for financial times and for most of the reporting was done, was that the financial times you realize that actually the mainstream media is really an adjunct to state power often they do do some good stories of sort scandals and that kind of thing. but in terms of systematic analysis, a systematic, the construction of the propaganda,

you get none of it. and that's why this is such a beautiful system in the way because it does allow some freedom within those confines of the main stream media. but really it protects power at all times. and just just to go to a point about what's happening in syria. so of course, i'll tell you that now which is re branded as h t, as in syria in syria, is useful to us now because we have been trying to, over through the us government for over 10 years. so those people as soon as they, as soon as they become useful to us, we have we, we rehabilitate them, and propagandized for them. in fact, there was an article today that they tend to grow. we've said sub utilize of how. and i guess the front of the jihad is still going to build a new syria, that kind of line something that you people, diversity on behalf of those that have been historically chopping the heads of children. exactly, i'm, i'm imagining,

he told someone that in october 2001 in america, the 23 is made. so we're going to have mainstream media. i actually talked about alti does as a good thing, and about how they can bring a new syria. after a decade of war, it is, is preposterous, but it is not, but it's not just syria, it goes against everything. every systematic mode of exploitation is practiced by the west is justified, is legitimized by the mainstream media. not since published this whole heaps of ideology, which were afraid from a very young age, which is effectively old, lies. and we don't have a media which takes it apart. we have a media which regards to types it. so we live swimming and propaganda and it needs to change. i do think it is changing now. i think it's that's any different from even the time i was working at the financial times, which was a 2009 since 2012, that was the mainstream media had more of

a hold on the narrative than they do now. because social media has allowed us to bypass the mainstream media and that is why it is such a tax on social media. but also why this whole industry is brought to the about this information, which again is a junk state. how often if you look at these organizations, the funding, so who this information they often funded by the far enough, based on the state department. and they, what they are about is to try and be legitimize new voices the work outside the mainstream, and reveal new truths that you can't get into the mainstream. so that there's always ways that powell will work to protect itself in new circumstances. yeah, we have enormous. good, thank for knowing the brand, american was whole good. will planes we use to protect. i will guide you in effect this week despite denials. of course the law must we might get into that later because he relates to bolivia, renewal book, lithium uh,

quite important for his cause he mentioned just some adjust that you went to the prestigious columbia journalism school in the book is a different tool to the racket and it's lies and questioning things. maybe you have to somehow n t, a metric to tell me about the columbia journalism school, which, you know, some people in the academy might know the way to public the i've never heard of these places. the. yes, it's the school is basically the most elite, john is a school in the world, and it creates an educate stubs of next generation of to corporate journalists in the state school. so worldwide. and i didn't really know that before i went to nicely went to lead university in the u. k. so normally do university by go good story when i was there, which got me into columbia by city. but i was extremely disappointed by the, the culture and the level of journalism that was being to practice the just one example is a henry kissinger who died recently. but is one of the most blood sites will

criminals of the 20th century. he came to columbia university when i was there, and i found that he comes, came every year and that's kind of speaking, pontificate about the politics and blah, blah, blah. and he was accepted as a sort of a kind of a when cuddly statesman. and i was in the re way of winning a speaking, and i put my hand up and i just said, how do you sleep at night? and the whole room just like you to go in order to gauze and then everything inside him. and he said, do you think you are more, you superior to me? and that's an easy question to also when is henry kissinger you're asking you. so i said yes. and he said, and then he went okay, there was a bit of back and forth. he was like, well the, the stuff you, bright is who lives, blah, blah, blah. but interesting, the often that i was attacked massively by the faculty itself. one of the they took us history mostly that will cover those left. exactly like the what i did was disgraceful and one came up to me often and said, you disgraced yourself the other day. i go by saying 0 support,

but that is very um, telling about what columbia university's role it's, it's to whitewash and to support essentially american war criminals and make the actions seeing pop, what we're told is a liberal world order and a world of law and blah, blah blah. so the night with all normal exceptions, jeffrey sachs, i know victoria newland and hillary clinton are there at the moment. no jeffrey sites is amazing, but he's not in the journalism school. i'm talking specifically about it. does this? what is most of a great academic drug, columbia, and also there are few in columbia, but a few and far between. i knew some ways they also add on and generate the illusion that he's there is a free culture that that's a critical power because it's kind of a fig leaf. so they say, oh we go x x professor. well, i'm on a gym level is just, uh, uh, it's a, it's what you would expect to do. it took you about the most elite school in, in journalism, in america is just producing the next,

ideologically trained propagandist for the american empire centrally. and then the same happened when i went to financial as long as you realize, okay, well, i've got hold of things i need to learn to enter the mainstream media. but luckily i had about as, as the japanese newspaper that told you, go away and do your save the world stuff. when you left, i was ask you the editor, the etc. um, that was uh, vinyl. well. yeah. or he said uh, i mean he was is a nice enough guy. uh, but he said uh, i wasn't an s t. jon is go in the say blood stuff love you can come back when you're a bit older. i'm the one and actually that'd be nice to get to this week's events that given you a threatened me personally, i should say, i am proud to say, i mean, am i 6 as far as we know, he's actively supporting what's going on. and i don't know whether you don't most with it, because we can see on social media the, the outside to read violence, whether that's shamed, what your blinking state department just say, look, we don't, we don't doing this. and jake sullivan,

despite having previously said outside, is on that side, and through the kind of distancing themselves with the same time on the hand, having to do it under how does that? because it must be a hard sell even to those young listeners desk to say, yeah, we're on the side of the outside an isis. yeah. yeah. is an obviously, um, they want to do it on the hands on the side. there's been quite a lot of, i think stories of come out in the eighty's route saying israel prefers to have a set in place rather than the unknown of outside or somebody's not us government, which i think it's just a began to pull out by, by these raise to try and monday the was what is very, very clear, the israel, the united states allies have been trying to break the excess of resistance for that for over a decade. and syria is a key part of the supply line from iran says blog. and also will this happen soon after that c, 5 deal was,

was low. and so i think where these things are connected and what they want to do is a for the service team and they don't care who they use. that's the point. so they, but obviously they wanted to come by the, because apart for publish the reasons why you say, but even then they don't, they don't catch you much. like i said, but also in the daily telegraph and you're going to see more, more about that. people have short memories and people are very, very susceptible to propaganda. look, i see us as re brand some they were previously outside of they've now they've, they, when they, they start wearing suits. they said all where we went about diversity. we was outside and out. um and people buy it for me. yeah. and she has to do this. we go hungry about a cooper should have a christmas tree being taken down because of course they want to kill. the christians is starkly. i mean, i don't think they get over there though that the you a president phoned as that on the day to give support the saudi arabia are a friends with

a ron to this region has changed. what do you think about organizations that are being pro palestine overlooking and when looking at the genocide, you can see the guitar a news channel allowed to 0. where was the 1st ever english language? and boy, interesting how they're embedded. it seems without guide. well, can saw was allegedly one of the main from the news, right, as well, which is well paid the pre gusts, the ideas that came out during the time. and kazora's go, uh, quite a be record of supporting extreme is across the region to be in the syrian civil war. and so, i mean, i think the, i, as you don't know about the position of the u, i. e, in the saudis as well. i think that essentially they want to break your on the backs . i've certainly not there. certainly not that position. and of course we are here . of course it is starkly. in fact, that's really what i'm coming to about the, i presume they haven't just read your book and realized that history has changed.

but i mean, as you do any, a, b, i m, f and world bank destructive policies. people increasingly, you know, going to one these loans are they, these countries? i mean, you can see molly and send a goal and you can see what's happening in the southeast asia. i mean, i'm not saying is just your books clearly, but the world has changed, doesn't that? i mean, obviously ukraine has made that change up to the sanctions on russia and the sanctions on china. do you see the changing now? as yeah, there's been a massive shift to the east, essentially, and it's major on china to be honest with you, because even russia is not in terms of its economy on the same scale was trying to . so trying to is rise and let's say in much 1015 years it could be the biggest economy in the well, i'm, regardless of what you think about the chinese government. uh, the space that opens up for uh, independent governments in africa and latin america, asia to operate is huge because off to the end of the cold war, there was only one game in town, which was the us, you know. and there was

a pretty big time, the less than independent movements. get this out, the taste as in 99 for mexico with that. and then it changed a bit when travis came in in 1999 in venezuela. but essentially, if you're trying to escape these institutions are the i'm asking well back, which are set to be on the united states. there was, there wasn't any other po, to organize around the match chains now. and you see the brakes uh, buying can and, and also some of the 2 things happening that i kind of, i get back in it. i'll stop you there more from the ortho of the racket. a real group of us is the american empire and co founder declassified you chaos of his break, the mountains, and the steps. the wild side got one of the world's most epics, rivers, where it costs us regions so beautiful that the people here believe that it was

bestowed upon them by god himself. so let's get off this mountain and a sports divine land has to offer the welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with the author of the rock as a rogue report of as the american amber and co founder of declassified you came. i cannot math in part one. you are talking about this a new will do, or is it well as regards a new ways to, to have a economies in the global south. but this is happening at the same time, the rise of china, which is already the biggest economy by a, by b, b, b. as the genocide is happening that you're in london. i mean, how hard is it for them to comprehend these journalists and the british public, what the government is doing? and you might have to remind us, what exactly is the british role in the genocide that you've been?

i know tweeting and writing about the intimate relationship between this okay. as dom a government and genocide making him a will criminal or yeah, well essentially i think that's the top line, but we are not just complicit in the general southern gaza way participants and have been from the start date. but in terms of what impact that's had on the public, the public don't know because it goes back to your original question about the media. the media has left out all the information that people would need to understand all role. in fact, at the classified we've done pretty much all the work on the u. k. military intelligence role, which is extreme. i would say that this is a tripod type genocide. this is a u. k. us and israel us is providing most of the arms you case providing most of the intelligence and his role is getting it done. and in terms of how that works on the ground, there's one story came on the new york times in the summer that the

e k, a, a intelligence services had deployed a spite team inside israel to help these route with this operation and gaza. so that came out a new time does meet, fine is ready, officially these ready officials said that the guy spies were giving quote, value added to his ready operations. and they were quote, providing intelligence we call and collect and all right, so this is huge in the context of the fact that his eyes, you see west runs out for the prime minister in the form of defense minister. the fact that as a genocide case at the i c j, the was high school ongoing i need and these and is ready. officials a leaking that the british have a being providing stuff with a conflict, and that right, you would think that might interest the media. that story is never being mentioned in the u. k. media, the other, the other side of it, there's never thoughts about is the we are the you, k is sending a spice by, oh, because up every night pretty much and sometimes to the, now they're in the sky for 6 hours. and they, the,

that intelligence has been paused to these res, now the u. k. say, well, it's just the hostage rescue. but we've only got one hostage in gaza and we had to win the what started. one of them is killed. it looks like bodies raised themselves . so what is that information? why is it going on? what, what, what does it involve? because my hunch is that it probably is being used for operations by, as well. because it, i think it's semantic westlake because he says, i need to do with hostage rescue while the is ready to present the whole offensive, because uh, as hostage rescue operations. so it gives them leeway to, to do whatever they want. again, there was a question in parliament actually also i live with them across here recently, but he said he also ministry defense. can you tell me the information we're providing to the israel is not being used for military targeting, and they refused to watch so, so, so there's a box that's the, that's highly suspicious. the other side of is a special forces is now special forces. people don't know

a highly secretive part of the u. k. state. if either even more 6. tiffany, instead of just suggest easy to get spice of easier information about what they, what they ought to, that'd be fine. 7 close up was around the u. k. special policies company known as ss on october 27th last year. so soon off the start, the genocide. some of these paper, if they will lead to that, the ss of deployed to all based on cyprus, full does the operations. and then the following data that october 28th. so you came in, it's already sent out the notice to every media, and it's a saying don't publish any information about what the ss is up to in israel and gaza. and since that day, we've not had any information about what the special forces today, which is as again in the context of what was about the legal process, its own dying. we could be directly involved on the grounding, cause i don't know. oh, it's not showing on the ground used to ignore that. the notice is when we were in britain, maybe that's why we're in do body. but to kareem khan has been on this show and see

for us to gauge your of the international vocation, go to international criminal court. and he's certainly not looking into your allegations. people can follow you on x, of course, because you reproduce the maps during the flights uh where britain and this is hundreds of thousands, mostly women and children. but it would be aid all 3 levels. yeah, the disgrace in the name of the the r f, but it does, but people are surprised. i have to say when, when they, when they are made aware of what is going on, it completely appends the whole world because we're sitting on our phones. so the west stuff you have is, you know, it's maybe the west stuff, you know, my salvation campaigns of forming of civilians, relentless every day. kids a more me to make to kids the new modem, conflicts of kids with the no legs, the legs spun off, almost blown off is horrendous. and then you know that we're not only just giving them diplomatic support, sending them moms,

we're supplying intelligence for them to get this operation done. and people are shocked by that, which i think is why the mainstream media is so it is sold by the company because again, they protect, protect power. and what have a role is mentioned is always mentioned in a kind of benign uh, basically taking the official line. and the 1st one is we have nothing to do with what's going on in the ground. we are in new york for about helping use radius to to, to rescue all hostage, which is rubbish. i think so. um yeah. is this hernandez, i think the environment is, i mean, and people are watching uh, these mouthpiece media like bbc less and less. what do you like in in britain then? i mean that my 6 is the who are friends. it's a gas storm or who persecuted julian. massage. we both interviewed jeremy colbin in the new environment where people aren't any more persuaded by the propaganda media system their way could they do what they did to jeremy colbin? the most popular uh, i mean,

socialist kind of lead to well positioned leader in the west viewer by these fake anti semitism, says, could they ever do it again, or are they that those deep state actors and that is your understanding? it was the deep state that you know, that people can look online to see the british soldiers are using pictures of colvin as target practice and that kind of stuff. a. yeah, i mean that again, it a to go back to what i said about the media and the free press and the illusion around that is the same with democracy. we don't have a democracy in this country. we have an oligarchy, and that stopped working with jeremy copeland was elected in 2015. and as you said, the labor party swelled to the biggest party in western europe, and he was destroyed by uh, a campaign around that citizen. but also there was many, many elements of the british state, the, uh, the one in destroyed arms companies, u. k. military intelligence agencies, the israel lobby that you got together. and actually the, the,

the reason that the anti semitism campaign became the kind of central campaign was, but it was much better than the other ones. the less poor, very bad that defending themselves. colbin himself was by the defending. and so, um, so that he was a traitor out. he was a traitor. uh give me but the. okay, more important and goldman. what about you? because you are covering these stories about the so called the states. i'm a cool at the state of a genocidal country. like breaking what, how, how say for you, we know reports of kick plan bug, the great journalist for the great zone being stopped at heathrow airport. sarah wilkinson, the pro palestinian peace. activist and journalist, i understand has been visited by police, richard med host. i mean, i do feel safe that they might. 5 will knock on your door and special branch one, knock on your door any time soon as you show the flights of a british war plains aiding the genocide in gaza. what are the, any one sites that speaking out in the u. k. now, cuz it's not just the,

the youngest you mentioned just recently. um a so when stanley, who's a very good reporter for electronic and funny. yeah, this house rated by the place i don't. and they sees the oldest devices, but what was quite scary about what happened to him was he wasn't even charged or arrested. so probably in the u. k. under there was a noise they can come in the place and take away your devices without even charging you with the crime which is for outrages. and then you had sarah wilkinson, as you mentioned, richard, my task. and that basically, uh, clumping down on democracy because they've lost control of the narrative as event. as you mentioned, the side of the power social media independent media has as growing massively. and it helps to move the conversation away from the state narrative. now in the context of when you lose control of the narrative through your traditional media assets and you lose control of the population, i majority want to honest and ball going to cease. while the only thing you have left is to be something the population with the law,

i don't think we're going to see increasing amounts of oppression and it has actually picked up. must have younger kids, sama, those that the journalist i mentioned they will arrested or detained. or rated on the case by my so i think we're going to see the escalade in terms of me personally, i think the i'm no different to the rest of the independent media space where we will expect to will know that there is, there are risks that come to a new that are impressive in to and the other thing is we know that the public sphere in the u. k. is undefended, so it will the dryness. i mentioned sir wilkinson, richard, my test. i still been standing not to be struck there recently. overrated. arrested charged, and no single word has ever paid about in the mainstream media. so it's just the a part of the a, the news, the, it's just completely a raised from mass media. i mean, it took me to google scholar. i think for me that was more scary than the rights themselves. yeah, that's that silence to give us thomas. i'm sympathy. i mean, i was going to be was requesting time with them

a while back. i don't have much sympathy that we can look up how his kind of prosecution service tried to pin fake rape claims on julian assange. you write about this 10000 perhaps us soldiers in britain. i mean, the hostages here, the british government is britain like south korea are actually which is being in the news this week. a, a under military or keep patient i, i know that talking about drones, anything already have lake and the heat that are available from the drones. which so we so little joining the circle door and tara, is it, do you feel like that? yeah, we are. and again, it is completely silenced by the mainstream media, but i did a lot of work about the u. k. military presence in the u. k. and it's over 12000 us troops permanently stationed in the u. k. across the 11. so who are a sites that code or yes, but at least to the americans and operate expect to be, is us spaces and they fly. also, submissions often

a legal ones where what, what kinds of carried out they were involved in, in operations in libya, iraq, other places. we're not allowed to know anything that happens on them. that's the outraged law policy of the patient itself with us to the outrages you can get some information about already upsides well you can give it to use. if you ask through transparency mechanisms about the us print military presence, you just told we don't comment on allies movements or activities in our country, which is a huge black hole in america, in burgess democracy and that. and then the other side of that is and also is another massive black hole is, is the us intelligence role? because we know that there's a massive c i a side array of crowd to which was the base where outside of which how are we done was killed by a c i a office of answer coolers who has been screwed throughout the country. um, we know the guys give you just use the case largest instead of just so you can see it has a huge station in coma,

co gcsu period. it's not as leak showed the hot 50 percent of the funding for jesus to jesus. he viewed comes from the national security agency in the united states. so that base it'd be running the station and that's how it works. us just, we all us, our best, some state and we do what we told we are, i'm, we're, i'm where we know a lot and our government does not allow us to know anything about that. us like tablets activity. i notice the transparency should be much higher for foreign militaries and for an intelligence agency in our country, we should know more about would you be able to know more about them than all right, but basically opposite montana. thank you. that's it for the sho. matchbook, the rack is a row group, all of us the american empire is out now continued condolences to those surviving the u. k. you as you on genocide here in this region will be back on monday for more on the scale of that genocide which could be as high as 25 percent of guys are killed until then keep in touch, why will i social media if it's not sense of new country and then to our channel going under warranty view and revel dot com to mention, you know,

the episodes of going undergrad. see you monday the hub. so and yeah, i mean, i mean the, i good dogs, good times pre a week me and point me in creating tasks on it. so if you take this timeline, we're at the stage. we have the width is we've been at the top for 500 years. i have no, you have not had no serious challenges. i mean, generally the, i mean self destructive thing

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