and in the world as arms dealers that we must not be ashamed of that the time, action or tendency. and we'll get back to going underground rule. gusting all around the world from a middle east where nato proxy forces in concerts with israel and al qaeda trying to have it. the government's not having the in palestine, but in lebanon. and now syria, this is nato. finally, j simon and defeat in its proxy war on russia through ukraine. all these issues and from the british is riley genocide in gaza to nato nation attempts to destroy everything from venezuela. give us a hell and southeast asia, a given the propaganda treatment into tyler terry and so called western newspapers, tv, cinema and literature. but there are some who have expose the lies in the rackets

a rogue report versus the american empire co founder of declassified u. k. mac cannot delineate something of the systematic the origin. well, few man as he by imperial forces. no wonder it comes endorsed by long term friends of going underground. joan pills, you know, i'm john ski and julian hassan dramatic joins me now from london. now thanks so much for coming on. i'm going to book uh the, the rackets is, it's been a week where even major propaganda media like comcast sky news, warner brothers is cnn learned mouthpiece is like your or our v. c. i found it difficult to explain to their audiences, i think how it is that they support the l guy to in syria. how does your book, the racket give us the dimension in which to understand why the bbc and john simpson people are on the well? well, know these people actually, no 1 may know what cnn is given by their viewing figures, but why the media are,

is completely up to they, they want to support those links to the atrocities and $911.00. it's. yeah, what is interesting, isn't it? i think it goes to the hall, the message is the books, which is that the mainstream media is not what we told is not what. uh, what were you dining? john is a school that we are a check on power. the journalism, the constructs the lies of the state and corporations when you get inside it and i work for the financial times, it's of most of the reporting was done. what does the financial times you realize the actually, the mainstream media is really an adjunct to state power. often they do do some good stories of sort scandals and that kind of thing. but in terms of systematic analysis, a systematic, the construction of the propaganda. you get none of it and that's why this is such a beautiful system in a way because it does allow some freedom within those confines of the mainstream media. but. ready really it protects power at all times and just just to go to

a point about what's happening in syria. so of course, outside of now, which is re branded as h t, as in syria in syria, is useful to us now because we have been trying to, over through the us government for over 10 years. so those people as soon as they uh, as soon as they become useful to us, we have we, we rehabilitate them, and propagandized for them. in fact, there was an article today that they tend to grow. we've said some utilize of how to bypass the front of the just had is still going to build a new syria, that kind of line something that you people, diversity on behalf of those that have been historically chopping the heads of children. exactly. i'm, i'm imagining, he told someone that you know, the type of 2001 in america. the $23.00 is made. so we're going to have mainstream media. i actually talk about alti does as a good thing, and about how they can bring a new syria. after a decade of war. it is,

is preposterous, but it is not, but it's not just syria, it goes against everything. every systematic mode of expectation is practiced by the west is justified, is legitimized by the mainstream media. and that's his purpose, this whole heaps of ideology, which were fact from a very young age which the effectively old lies. and we don't have a media which takes airport, we have a media which regards to types it. so we live swimming and propaganda and it needs to change. i do think it is changing now. i think it's that should be different from even the time i was working at the financial times, which was a 2009 to 2012. that was the mainstream media had more of a hold on the narrative than they do now. because social media has allowed us to bypass the mainstream media, and that is why it is such a tax on social media. but also why this whole industry is brought it up about this

information. which again, is a adjunct to state how often if you look at these organizations, the funding so include this information, they often funded by the far enough base or the state department. and they, what they are about is to try and be legitimize new voices, the work outside the mainstream, and reveal new truths that you can't get into the mainstream. says that there's always ways that powell, we want to protect itself in new circumstances. yeah, we have enormous. good, thank for knowing the britain american was whole good war planes. we used to protect our kaiser in effect this week despite denials. of course he alone must. we might get into that late ser cuz he relates to bolivia, renewal book, lithium. uh, quite important for his cause he mentioned jones as some adjust that you went to the prestigious columbia journalism school in the book. you say they went through all the records and it's lies and questioning things. maybe you out to some a n t,

a metric to tell me about the columbia journalism school, which, you know, some people in the academy might know why the public, the, i've never heard of these places. the yes it's, the school is basically the most elite, john is a school in the world, and it creates an educate stubs of next generation of top corporate journalists in the state school. so worldwide. and i didn't really know that before i went now nicely went to leads university in the u. k. so normally, university by go good story when i was there, which got me into columbia by city. but i was extremely disappointed by the, the culture and the level of journalism that was being tool and practice. the just one example is a henry kissinger who died recently, but is one of the most blood sites will criminals of the 20th century. he came to columbia university when i was there, and i found that he comes, came every year. so that's the kind of speak can pontificate about the politics and

blah, blah, blah. and he was accepted as a sort of a kind of a long cuddly statesman. and i was in the re way of winning a speaking, and i put my hand up and i just said, how do you sleep at night and the whole room just like you to go. i could pay in order to goss and then everything inside him. and he said, do you think you are more, you superior to me? and that's an easy question to also when is henry kissinger you're asking you. so i said yes. and he said, and then he went okay, there was a bit of back and forth. he was like, well the, the stuff you've read, his lives, blah, blah blah. but interesting, the often that i was attacked massively by the faculty itself. one of the they to us history mostly that will cover those last. exactly. i don't know what i did was disgraceful, and one came up to me often and said, you disgraced yourself the other day. i go by saying 0 support, but that is very telling about what columbia university's role is to whitewash and to support essentially american war criminals. and make the actions

seeing pop, what we're told is a liberal world older and uh, what was lower and blah, blah blah. so the with all normal exceptions. jeffrey sachs, i know victoria newland and hillary clinton are there at the moment. no, jeffrey sites is amazing, but he's going to join isn't school. i'm talking specifically about the dentist, but it's also have a great academic throughout colombia and also there are few in columbia that few and far between. i knew some ways they also add on and generate the illusion. that is there is a free culture that that's critical of power because there's kind of a fig leaves. so they say, oh we go x x professor. well, i'm on the gym level is just, uh, uh, it's a, it's what you would expect if you're talking about the most elite school in, in journalism, in america. it's just producing the next, ideologically trained propagandist for the american empire centrally. and then the same happened when i went to the financial as long as you realize, okay, well, i've got hold of things i need to learn to enter the mainstream media. but luckily

i heard about this as the japanese newspaper that told you, go away and do your save the world stuff when you left those i see the editor, the etc. and that was a line on the yes, he said uh, i mean he was, is a nice enough guy. uh, but he said uh, i wasn't an s t john list. go in the say blood stuff love you can come back when you're a bit older. i'm the one and actually that'd be nice to get to this week's events that given you a threatened me personally, i should say, i am proud to say, i mean, am i 6 as far as we know, he's actively supporting what's going on. and i don't know whether you know most to is a, because we can see on social media the, the outside to read violence, whether that's shamed. what's your blinking state department? just say look, we don't, we don't doing this. and jake sullivan displayed having previously said outside is on that side and through the kind of distance weaknesses with the same time on the hand. having to do it under how does that? because it must be a hard sell even to those young list and use desk to say, yeah,

we're on the side of the outside an isis. yeah. yeah. is an obviously, um, they want to do it on the hand. i mean start this being quite a lot of, i think stories of come out in israel saying israel prefers to have a set in place rather than the on no, no outside or somebody's name is government, which i think it's just a began to pull out by by these really is to try and monday the was when it's very, very clear, the israel, the united states allies have been trying to break the excess of persistence for over a decade. and syria is a key part of the supply line from iran, says, blah. and also will this happen soon after that ceased by the it was, was low. and so i think will these things are connected and what they want to do is a, for the service, even they don't care who they use. that's the point. so they, well, obviously they want to come by the, because the pump for about this,

the reasons why you say, but even then they don't, they don't catch you much. like i said, but also in the daily telegraph and you're going to see more more about that. people have short memories and people are very, very susceptible. it's perfect kind of look at ideas, rerun some they were previously outside of they've now they went like they start wearing suits. they said all where we went about diversity. we work outside and out . um and people buy it for me. yeah. and she has this, we go hungry about a cooper should have a christmas tree being taken down because of course they want to kill the questions as starkly. i mean, i don't think they get over there though that the you a president phoned as that on the day to give support the saudi arabia are a friends with a ron. this region has changed. what do you think about organizations that are being pro palestine? looking, looking at the genocide, you can see the guitar a news channel allowed to 0. where was the for us ever english language jump?

really interesting how they're embedded. it seems without guide as well, cuz all was allegedly one of the main fund, the news, right, as well, which is what pays it. pre gusts to i. c s that came out during the time and guitars go up quite a be record of support in extreme is across the region to be in the syrians. it. ready more so, so, i mean, i think the, i, as you don't know about the position of the u, i e, in the saudis as well. i think that essentially they want to break your on the tax has certainly not there, certainly not that position. and of course we are here, of course, it is directly, in fact that's really what i'm coming to about the i presume they haven't just read your book and realized that history has changed. but i mean, as you do any, a, b, i m, f, and world bank, destructive policies, people increasingly, you know, going to one these loans. are they, these countries? i mean, you can see monthly and send a goal and you can see what's happening in the southeast asia. i mean,

i'm not saying is just your books clearly, but the world has changed, doesn't it? i mean, obviously ukraine has made that change up to the sanctions on russia and the sanctions on china. do you see you changing now? yeah, there's been a massive shift to the east, essentially, and it's major on china to be honest with you. because even russia is not in terms of its economy on the same scale, was trying to, trying his rise. and let's say in my 1015 years it could be the biggest economy in the. well, i'm, regardless of what you think about the chinese government. but the space that opens up for a company independent governments in africa and latin america, asia to operate is huge because of the end of the cold war. there was only one game in town which was the us, you know, and there was a pretty bleed side to the less than independent movements. get this out, the taste as a 99 for mexico, but i and then it changed a bit when travis came in in 1999 in venezuela. but essentially,

if you're trying to escape these institutions or the, i'm asking well back, which are fit to be honest with united states. that was there wasn't any other po, to organize around the match chains now. and you see the brakes uh, banking and also some of the 2 things happening that i kind of, i tend to back in. it also help you map more from the author of the racket. a real group of us is the american empire and co founder declassified u. k. after this break the mount fields, endless steps the wild type got on one of the world's most epics, rivers, where it costs us regions so beautiful that the people here believe that it was bestowed upon the fight golf himself. so let's get off this mountain and explore. the vineland has to offer the

toilet. suddenly minding, she suddenly less finley or more in the family. she's each school when the customer will just didn't like they didn't know. it sits on the stores 0 for stella notion, where y'all are still, well, that's even your orthodox. as soon as the right, they're going to deduct much isn't in the vineyard, the the feeling is that a quizzical momma contacting the answer? there's a video the, the welcome back to going on the go ahead. i'm still here with the author of the rock as a rogue, reported as the american amber and co founder of declassified. you came back in a math and thought when you were talking about this new world order as it were, as regards of new ways to, to have a economies in the global south. but this is happening at the same time,

the rise of china, which is already the biggest economy by a, by b b, as the genocide is happening, that you're in london. i mean, how hard is it for them to comprehend these journalists, the british public, what the government is doing? and you might have to remind us, what exactly is the british role in the genocide that you've been? i know tweeting and writing about the intimate relationship between this a cast on a government and genocide making him able criminal. yeah. well essentially, i think that's the top line, but we are not just complicit in the genocide and goes away participants and have been from the start actually. but in terms of what impact that's had on the public, the public don't know because it goes back to your original question about the media. the media has left out all the information that people would need to understand all role in front of the classified. we've done pretty much all the work

on the u. k. military intelligence role, which is extreme. uh, i would say that this is a tripod type genocide. this is a u. k. us and israel us is providing most of the arms. you guys providing most of the intelligence and these roles getting it done and in terms of how that works on the ground. there's one story came on the new york times in the summer. the, the e k. a intelligence services had deployed a spite team inside israel to help these route with this operation and gaza. so that came out of new it sounds as me find as radius. visually, these ready officials said that the face supplies were giving quote, value added to these ready operations and they will quote, providing intelligence we call and collect and all right, so this is huge in the context of the fact that as licensee west runs out for the prime minister in the form of defense minister, the fact that as a genocide case at the i c j, the was high school ongoing need and these and he's ready. officials

a leaking that the british have a being providing stuff with a conflict, and that right, you would think that might interest the media. that story is never being mentioned in the u. k. media, the other, the other side of it there's never thoughts about is the we are the you, k is sending a spice right. oh, because up everyday, pretty much and sometimes to the, now they're in the sky for 6 hours. and they, the, that intelligence has been been positive. these res, now the u. k. say, well, it's just the hostage rescue. but we've only got one hostage in gaza. and we had to, when the flight started, one of them was killed. it looks like bodies ready themselves. so what is that information? why is it going and what, what, what does it involve? because my hunch is that it probably is being used for operations by his route because it, i think it's semantic westlake because he says, i need to do with hostage rescue. while these rallies present the whole offensive, because uh, as hostage rescue operations. so it gives them leeway to,

to do whatever they want. again, there was a question in parliament actually all the while it was democrats here recently, but he said he also ministry defense. can you tell me the information we providing to the israel is not being used for military targeting, and they refused to watch so, so, so there's a box that's the, that's highly suspicious. the other side of is a special forces. you know, special forces. people don't know a highly secretive part of the u. k. state. if they're even more 6, tiffany intelligence agents, easy to get spice of easier information about what they, what they're up to. that'd be fine. 7 close up was around the well, the guy special policies company known as ss on october 27th last year. so soon off the start, the genocide, the sunday's paper. they will lead to that the essay as a deployed to all based on cyprus, full garza operations. and then the following day to the ultimate 28 you came in. it's already sent out the notice to every media, and it's a saying don't publish any information about what the ss is up to in israel and

gaza. and since that day, we've not had any information about what the special forces today, which is as again in the context of what goes about these legal process is ongoing . we could be directly involved on the grounding cause i don't know. oh, it's not showing on the ground used to ignore the d notices where we were in britain. maybe that's why we're in do body. but to kareem khan as being on this show and see for us to gauge your of the international vocation, go into that for criminal court. and he's certainly not looking into your allegations. people can follow you on x, of course, because you'd reproduce the maps during the flights. uh where britain, i mean i'm, this is hundreds of thousands, mostly women and children. but it, with the aid of the roy levels. yeah. the disgrace in the name of the the r s, but it does, but people are surprised. i have to say when, when they, when they are made aware of what is going on, it completely appends the whole world because we're seeing on our phones. so the

was stuff you got to so you know, it's maybe the was stuff you know, my salvation campaigns of bombing of civilians, relentless every day kids, i'm more need to make the kids, the new modem, conflicts of kids with the no legs the legs, but enough almost by enough is horrendous. and then you know that we're not only just giving them diplomatic support, sending them moms, we're supplying intelligence for them to get this operation done. and people are shocked by that, which i think is why the mainstream media is so uh, it is sold by the company because again, they protect, protect power. and when have a, a role is mentioned is always mentioned in a kind of a 9 uh, basically taking the official line. and the 1st one is we have nothing to do with what's going on in the ground. we only up for about helping is ready to to, to rescue all hostage which is rubbish. i think so. um yeah. is this hernandez? i think the environment is, i mean, and people are watching uh, these mouth piece media like bbc less and less. what do you like in in britain then?

i mean i, my 6 is the who are friends. it's a gas storm or who persecuted julie. innocent. we both interviewed jeremy colbin in the new environment where people aren't any more persuaded by the propaganda media system their way could they do what they did to jeremy colbin? the most popular uh, i mean, socialist kind of lead to a position leader in the west and your babies fake anti semitism, says could they ever do it again or are they there is deep state actors and that is your understanding. it was the deep state that you know, that people can look online to see the british soldiers are using pictures of goldman is target practice and that kind of stuff. yeah, i mean that again, it a to go back to what i said about the media and the free press and the allusion around that is the same with democracy. we don't have a democracy in this country. we have an oligarchy, and that stopped working with jeremy called him, was elected in 2015. and as you said,

the live party swell to the biggest party in western europe. and he was destroyed by uh, a campaign around that symbolism. but also there was many, many elements of the british state, the uh, the one in destroyed arms companies, u. k. military intelligence agencies, the israel lobby that you got together. and actually the, the, the reason that the anti semitism campaign came to kind of the central campaign was but it was much better than the other ones. the left were very bad at defending themselves. colbin himself was by the defending. and so, um, so that he was a traitor out. he was a traitor. uh give me but the. okay, more important and goldman. what about you? because you are covering these stories about the so called the states. i'm a cool at the state of a genocidal country. like breaking what, how, how say for you, we know reports of kick plan bug, the great journalist for the great zone being stopped and he threw up with sarah wilkinson, the pro palestinian peace. activist and journalist i understand,

has been visited by police, richard, midwest. i mean, i do feel safe that m i 5 will knock on your door and special branch one, knock on your door any time soon as you show the flights of british war planes aiding the genocide in gaza. why does anyone sized speaking out in the u. k. now, cuz it's not just the the youngest you mentioned just recently. um a so when stanley, he's a very good reporter for electronic and funny. yeah. this house rated by the place i don't and they sees the oldest devices, but what was quite scary about what happened to him was he wasn't even charged or arrested. so probably in the u. k. under there isn't those i can come in the place and take, we'll devices without even charging you with the crime which is for outrages. and then you had sarah wilkinson, as you mentioned, and richard met us. and that basically clumping down on democracy because they've lost control of the narrative, as you might, as you mentioned,

the size of the power social media independent media has as growing massively. and it helps to move the conversation away from the state narrative. now in the context of when you lose control of the narrative for your traditional media assets and you lose control of the population, i majority want to august and ball going to cease. while the only thing you have left is to disappear in the population with the lot, i don't think we're going to see increasing amounts of refreshing and it has to be picked up. must have been on the case tama, but those that the journalists, i mentioned they will arrested or detained. they'll rate it on the case by my so i think we're going to see that escalate. it sounds to me personally, i think the i'm no different to the rest of the independent media space wherever you expect to all know that there is, there are risk come to a new the are i'm president to and the other thing is we know that the public sphere in the u. k is undefended. so it will the janice, i mentioned sir lucas and richard made test ice the when standing not to be struck there recently. overrated. arrested charged. and no single word has ever paid about

in the mainstream media. so it's just the a part of the news, the is just completely a raised from mass media. i mean it took me to gabriel scare. i think for me that was more scary than the rights themselves. yeah, that's that silence to give us thomas, i'm sympathy. i mean, i was on bbc question time with them a while back. i don't have much sympathy. we can look up how it is kind of prosecution service tried to pin fake rape claims on julian assigned. you write about this 10000 perhaps us soldiers in britain. i mean the hostages here, the british government is britain like south korea are actually which is being in the news this week. a, a under military occupation. i know that talking about drones, anything already have lake and the heat that are available from the drones, which so we so little joining the circled wear and tear. is it? do you feel like that? yeah, we are. and again,

this is gonna be silenced by the mainstream media, but i did a lot of work about the u. k. military presence in the u. k. n is over 12000 us troops permanently stationed in the u. k, across the 11. so who are a sites that code are? yes, but at least to the americans and operate effect to be is us spaces and they fly. also, submissions often a legal ones where what, what kinds of carried out they were involved in, in operations in libya, iraq, other places. we're not allowed to know anything that happens on them. that's the outraged wall policy of the patient itself with us to the outrages you can get some information about already upsides what you can give it to use. if you ask through transparency mechanisms about the us print military presence, you just told we don't comment on allies movements or activities in our country, which is a huge black hole in america, in burgess democracy and that. and then the other side of that is and also is another method by co, uh, is, is the us intelligence role. because we know that as a massive c,

i a side array of crowds in which was the base where outside of which, how redone was killed by um c, i a of this uh, so cooler, so we've been screwed throughout the country. um we know the uh g c h give you just use the because largest instead of just i can see it has a huge station in coma who teaches q period it's not as league showed the hot 50 percent of the funding for jesus to just keep viewed comes from the national security agency in the united states, so that base would be running the station and that's how it works. us just, we all us are by some state and we do what we told we are. i'm, we're, i'm where we know a lot and now government does not allow us to know anything about that. us like tablets. activity i know is the transparency should be much higher, but forwarded me to tell reason for any type of just agencies in our country. we should know more about would you be able to know more about them then? all right, well basically, opposite. now cannot. thank you. that's it for the show match book. the rack is

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