a cohort of a sausage journalist and in any conflict, and in modern times the recorded history, i believe. so the, the incident with the, with the guardian was ultimately about, you know, sort of the things broke down or if it is the word holocaust. i was asked to write a piece for a series that was running in the guardian. i was skeptical that they would run anything i, i wrote because i, you know, voice like, is your normal list in the running an engineer that or what? well, no, i know it's because i'm because i'm uncompromising. what i say, i think they like to have articles by palestinians who are willing to soften their voice and just to, you know, just to be heard. and i wasn't willing to do that. i did a compromise on some edits and then things finally broke down because i refused to

remove the word holocaust. even though we have seen the pictures of burned, burned children have as part of the ethnic cleansing and grandchildren. i mean, it's burned children burning alive of whole families, burying a live of. i mean, most children are dying. the most gruesome, terrific death of being buried in the rubble unable to move, unable to breathe. and it takes, you know, that kind of suffocation of being buried alive, takes anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes to die. and you can imagine the horror or the terror that individuals, children, whole families go through before they diamond that's happening on mass of throughout garza. and um, children are being sniped that's been well documented. uh, the 3rd largest cohort of pediatric, pediatric mt cheese, anywhere in the world. it, you know,

that our society is under the devastated by this of colonial monstrosity that the west planted in our midst. yeah. and the guardians of british newspapers, zekia selma, obviously intimately involved with the genocide. i mean we have, i am on a, i get the volume the, the editor of the guardian. we're right around her pre assessor and risk bridge. it was on the show. uh, i know julian hassan, she's wiki leaks with that. happy about him being on the show because of the way the guy didn't treated the wiki leaks, but we do invites her. and so you say having being to guys a deferral, that heroic journalism and it has been such a really journalism from gaza. you say the reality is infinity was on the ground. tell me why i to be honest, i have not. you were there twice this year. i was and i,

i still cannot find the right words to, to, to capture the enormity of the heart and not something that i've heard. we've all heard from people from doctors, from other and g o workers who have been there. they come out saying like i just don't have the words to explain because in lots of feeling that's something we all feel. um the, you know, on the one hand there is this kind of a spectacular violence for lack of a better word. that is, um, that's hard, fine. and it's not as pervasive. but there's also this of this constant moronic mass deprivation degradation of society. so, you know, it's, it's, you know, the pilot golf um, and policies in general managed to become

a high functioning society, despite all of the hardships and all of the restrictions like israel has placed on us. for example, you know, education in our society comes at a premium. i mean, you asked me why, you know, why, why we're having schools when people are hungry. because this is, this is the, this is our society. we value education and policy and had built universities under impossible conditions on and so on the one hand, you had people who were planning to open businesses to pursue their peach dues to um, to get married to build a house. and now, the ceiling of people's ambitions is just to get enough water for the day. and this mazda of degradation of, of, of people, of families, of societies, the break down the disease, the fills, the hunger, the thirst, the end security,

the fear, the trauma, this accumulation of this incur mental accumulation of her upon her upon her. that just does not a bait, it does not like it, there's no, there's no place to run. it is this tiny place like a fish bowl that, that, that, um, that is real shoots into a well and commits the most horrific atrocities with impunity seeming impunity. and nothing seems to be stopping now where you are in your, in the united states. so what does it make you feel when you see this is 5 being vito to the un security council. and more and more arms would play each week are being supplied and manufactured where you live. uh, to carry out the genocide. yeah, exactly, and honestly a lot of us are actually leaving the united states for precisely for that reason.

um, it's just there's a big part of me that i wish i never left cuz i think i feel like i would rather be there despite all of the threats. um because it feels it feels um the world feels like a big lie outside of gaza. and one cannot escape the as a feeling of complicity just and also a guilt of survivors guild see, you know, why, why do i get to live in a, in safety? and why do i get to have ample food? and especially when, you know, you have all of these images and these people you love who are, who are suffering so profoundly. i mean, uh, what do you think of, uh, this extra estate to as a blinking who uh, who's,

who appears every few months saying he's trying his best while the items are being sent there and poured in to wipe out an examination, even if it ain't blinking is design us, i don't even, i don't believe he has. i believe his 1st loyalty is actually to israel, like so many zion us and to have gotten themselves and planted themselves in positions of power throughout this administration, previous administrations throughout uh, throughout congress, throughout the media throughout hollywood. i mean, they do not believe for one second that their loyalty is to the united states. it's not even a dual loyalty. it is a single loyalty to israel. and you know, i mean, anthony blinking himself when he went to, when he went to israel said, you know, i'm here as a jew, i mean it's, it's, it, it, you know, the chutzpah of doing that. i can't imagine a muscle. i'm saying that i'm not here as an american, i'm here as a muslim, and no one would. the media would,

would never let that fly. but i think that design us in this country have of extraordinary control over foreign policy. i believe they are dictating foreign policy. i mean, that does not absolve biden or harris or anyone else, i think blinking is playing on a must have role in perpetuating this genocide, i think. and, and even coming in at the administration as well. i mean, jared cushion are, has a great deal of control and influence and what happens as he did in the previous trump administration? he is involved sinus. he has talked about removing palestinians because and taking over what he called valuable. sure. front property. i mean, these people are on their deprived they are deprived, i should just say crushing it as never rule. as far as we know at the time of his interview though his, his dad does in uh,

in paris as far as i understand. but susan novel, our, i'll stop you the more from the best selling, older of buildings, engineering, and found her playgrounds for palestine. after this break, the agenda itself, the gaining independence and from the form of the ivory coast remained under the strong influence of his former metropolitan pro french president. felix, who said one year, ruled the country for 33 years, ensuring the interest to from the dead. the gun on painting isn't in the trunk. then there is no simple new foster. larry says that goods was done, those who saw him and the more appropriate officer, the death of, of a one year, a new lead to bill. i'll go back the ball came to power,

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ready to leave to go in your mouth setting? recommend your opinion or no. but he got cutting away. well, i actually was who i see on google, my guy and with intent almost a week ago. and we'll get to under the, under the general say to us, lot of the street. but this, this indeed reality last has never been to the did you purchase a id please? the dentist had time to time prize size and call you to do this yourself if it's your ex that's a c gives in. and so this is a very vote decision by the gym and government to even stop because he is when the agreement was reached, gena, they did more divisions and more and got more questions or more of those

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welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the bestselling author of mornings in janine and founder of playgrounds for palestine choose, and they'll allow susan, uh, you won't find the british medical lots that the general, the july estimate of a 186000 killed mostly women and children in nature, propaganda or media, but you understand, believe having being to guys that it could be as high as a, as half a 1000000. maybe by now. i mean that's proportionally equivalent to why being a 160000000 americans. what do you think about the scale of this larger, and is it being covered there in the united states in terms of percentages? because these are, these are unprecedented numbers, aren't they? has for a population. so i, of course, i mean, of course,

it's not being covered in united states. the about 10 days prior to the lancet article, i did a study myself. i am a scientist of before i was underwriter, i was assigned to them. i still am. i used to do things i witnessed, i used other data that i gathered and i used data from various human rights organizations who are on the ground in gaza, including the when euro meds, the w h o and others and using a morbidity and mortality rates for known diseases i, i calculated the number or the range of the most likely the most likely dest toll accordingly. um, so you have, of course, the direct, uh, the direct, uh murder,

which has been calculated precisely actually by the policy and ministry of health here. and there is also a number of missing palestinians, most of them presumed dead. so those or the that's those are kind of the direct number of, of casualties. but you have this much larger casualty figure that's related to the withholding of medication, the new diseases, etc. so there are a lot of chronic diseases as in any population including diabetes and uh, and various cardiovascular diseases, kidney disease and certain um, genetic disorders that require particular diets and things like that. so this entire population has been really

a hugely affected very adverse adversely. so, and there is a, a percentage of that population has died or is expected to die because of lack of, of medication for these chronic conditions. and so that's another population. there's also the, the people who are dying of malnutrition, most of them children and very vulnerable individuals, people who are dependent on dialysis or cancer patients who cannot get treatments. i mean, those are, that population is also getting wiped out because there's just no facilities left or, or treatment for them. so there's multiple populations like that and when you and when you add it all up, when you calculate the, the, the rates of mortality based on known rates that are available in the literature in scientific literature. you can,

you can uh uh, somewhat come a to come up with a statistical number. and i did that. i came up with a range that was between 894002514000 people killed. as a result of elena, and there's also like of course the, the, the, the rate of infection post, post operative infection is quite high because there's, there are no antibiotics really being let in. and then 10 days after that, of course my, you know, as, as with the media, uh, the way they typically do is to ignore posted invoices. but and so my study was, was ignored until uh, 10 days later when the lancet published an estimate of 186000 people dead, which i believe is still on under estimation. but that, you know, corresponds to the lower end of the range that i predicted. i do think when i,

when the dust settles, that we will find probably half a 1000000, at least maybe, you know, 10 percent of the population having been wiped out. and uh, and of course the population of those who have been named and injured is, is even, is even larger. so for a client or for sure, of the population. get really, i mean, yeah, i mean literally when the dust settles, i mean, assuming most go engaging boots in and change and being don't come and militarily a developed indians. there's clearly all the allies with the palestinians are being knocked out one by one. do you think we will see nuremberg style trial trials of a bite and the hair is blinking? sullivan austin, harsh stein, in europe, style of wonderland, macro controls. these are the people that they will without whom this would not be possible. i mean, if there is any justice in this world then yes,

but i don't um, you know, i don't have a crystal ball and i don't know. i do know that these all guards, these western oligarchs, this ruling elite who are moving this entire planets, and especially in our region um, they're the ones who made all the rules and they designed them to not hold themselves to account. uh, which is why i think the, the, the icpc arrest warrants came as such a shock to everybody whether or not they will be held to account. you know, i don't know who are you going to be on this screen guns we know on this show in the i took his time, i don't know how many people were killed in the unprecedented waiting period with this for this warrant. um you were talking about cushion or the other one uh trump,

some son in law. of course michigan went uh towards trump, arab americans village because anything is better than someone like all the coolest . harris give me. why do you think 74000000 americans still voted for the harris? knowing what was going on? i mean, the, you don't have to be a great support of trump to realize you don't want to be supporting kamala harris because that would make you complacent in genocide. yeah. to i think americans, well, 1st of all, i think one of the numbers that is often ignored and analyzing selection are the number of americans who stayed home, who did not vote at all. there's over approximately 18000000 people who voted in the previous selection, who just did not vote at all me. but to me that is the most significant number that anybody should be looking at. and because i think it speaks to the, the,

the feeling that americans have said this political system does not represent anybody does not, there are no options for any of us. and the selection of those who did vote, you know, the americans are largely on uh sort of ignorant of international politics and foreign policy. i think a lot of americans don't view foreign policy as being as important as domestic policy policies. and that's why her as campaigned so much on uh, on domestic issues. yeah. but i'm just saying that we're using words like all the cost and genocide and people talk about the zone of interest that failed about ouch rates. and in that perspective, that's not really a, an excuse, isn't it? that's like literally choking of a head. todd sees voting for it, the older,

larger job and public. why are american scale? you can see and certainly the younger generation because we've seen mass protests and less support for palestine amongst young people in the united states. what is it about older american democrats that think it's ok to vote for janice politicians that advocate general. so again, this is what i was trying to explain and my answer is that there's a large portion of americans who, who vote strictly on domestic policies, which was why, again, harris was campaigning on, on, on identity politics and many ways the, there's another portion of americans who, who know what's happening and recognize that genocide is taking place, but they've voted for her and on the less and frankly, i think this is this kind of liberal establishment mentality that

ultimately, you know, they'll say, oh, well, you know, the genocide is bad, but they they don't really they don't mean it in the full weight of that word because they don't really value palestinian lice. it is if it were, if, if what's happening to us were happening to jews for example, this, it just would have been a no starter. but we're so the human eyes in this arabs, in particular, the west has been conditioned to accept our demise as, as if it were sort of in an, in evan ability. that is inevitable for us to live in chaos and disorder and despair. and that's, that's how the american public has been conditioned for decades through the media, through hollywood, through book publishers. um and so even those who might be

dismayed or upset by the genocide what, what they see does not carry the same visceral weight as it would if it were any other people if it were ukrainians, for example. so because i don't think that we are perceived as fully human. uh they, well, i mean you all ready for a ukrainians. is it for the let's get any rate. i mean, uh, do you think trump being elected will mean a reconfiguration of what goes by the left in the united states and away from identity politics and back to anti and barry elizabeth plus politics that you think that's one of the greatest things about a trump victory that the left will begin to understand or then it will. but if you sign sofa that um the, the clean tonight doing i to the whole of that establishment, but also support hollywood and propaganda media. going to be

a while. yeah. i don't see. i don't see signs of that except when it comes to young people. i think one of the, one of the only promising, well not the only but one of the promising signs has been that not only our young people awakened to the criminality of israel, but they have become awakened the ways in which mos media has protected israel and has of secured and up to skated their crimes for so long. so there is a diminishing trust in western media, which i think is, is probably the most important developments for, for future generations in this country to be mistrustful of this corporate design its media, frankly. and um, and so they, they do look for alternative news sources. they look for independence,

media and they look for alternative political analyses from intellectuals not from the, you know, sort of a, basically entertainers who pose as journalists. um, so that, you know, that bodes well for the future. but you know, what that means is, is difficult to, uh, is difficult to really predict because i also know that, uh, these all guards are quite resilience and colonialism and imperialism. just don't seem to sleep. but we'll see, i mean, you know, but the bottom line is there is this whole generation now that knows and recognizes israel as, as a barbaric genocidal western invention to the low. thank you. thank you option. thanks rodney, that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences to those surviving the u. k. u. s

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