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the, the, the welcome to cross back bull homes where all things are considered non peter a little bit. charles shocking doesn't even begin to describe, but the fall of damascus to a brand new terrorist with western support. and so quickly is a world historic event. the middle east has been fundamentally reordered the resistance as essentially collapse to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod cast where the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals and crimea, and we cross demarcus level, but he is a moscow based international relations and security analyst, right. jolene cross that rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciate it. let's start out with mark and cry. me a line my introduction and i don't think it was hyper bully and to be honest,
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my friend don't even know where to begin. go ahead of the syrian government as baldwin. uh it, uh, the story and president bush are all assad has already left the country to an undisclosed location. his family left earlier in the week. the syrian prime minister has stated that he will stay in damascus to hand over power to the new authority steward to anyone chosen by the people. and in this case, the new authorities are the terrorist organization, hyatt to here, all shop which even the united states recognizes is all going to, is this all kind of re branded right? giovano louis or i'll guided you bought the old news real high. it, they're all shop. there might be a few other end durations in between the leader of hyatt to hear all shaw al
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juliani. he's now going under a different name. i understand, but he was fairly the deputy of isis. now he is the leader of all kinda, this is the uh, terrorist organization. uh, that has been camped out in northern. it live uh for the last, uh, 4 or 5 years. uh, since a, the deal was reached between russia, iran and the turkish government. uh that had backed and continues to back out guy now hired to here. all shop. and um, so there's plenty of blame to go around, of course, but i certainly, i think a great deal of the blame has to be placed on the kremlin and the government. any
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ron for being so naive to think that they could trust early one. i mean, there's a co, jo charge you and i've talked about this. so the a span of a process was a fraud. yeah. there's, they, there was a, i mean, even you got me throw out the door, right. so if it does that, it looks like, and then i think as we've discussed many times before, this is what happens when you don't finish a war. and i think that was a uh, the cardinal sin in 201620. 172018 is of the was not finished. and so therefore, the illusion. i almost like the potemkin village government of bus or other sub, was just that it was a potemkin, a village government. he wasn't in control of his country. i mean, he went around, you know, you, he was actually invited back in the mind of the getting the arrow bleed states. but he wasn't in control of his country and the board. and when we know of what happens with the west, the west, you know, when they're in unity,
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they don't get everything that they wanted. they gonna keep planning, planning and planning to strike back. and what has to admit, this is a huge victory for the united states, united states and bullets of satellite stage that the glad bus on the left side most go. i still have the most go that kept repeating it and it been going on repeating it over the years. and now go and, and they, they, they accomplish this with really a minimal effort. you know, they really, they barely broke a swear. and so they have to look at it and say, hey, this is a huge setback for russia and the wrong. and we know when the west now going to smoke, there they go with now sees the advantage and push further into israel's taking the advantage already. and expanding its a, my area of control around the go live, and so 6 hours in the bed change the geopolitical map. mark, how did this happen? where the, where these people drive the or,
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and they were getting full traded. i mean, i was in just before the program started having some reminiscing majority resolves to the day that we were talking about the liberation of a, a level in 2006. go ahead. yeah, so i would when george says that bush charl side wasn't in control of his own country. that's, that's not exaggeration. hyperbole, it's literal, right? the u. s. a and it's curtis proxies have been in control of all of these syria, east of the euphrates. right? uh for 4 years now, right. uh, you know, going back to the, the, just after the time of the russian intervention. right. and that is where syria's oil and weak fields were, which were denied to the syrian government, preventing any type of economic recovery uh, or restoration um the uh, hired to her all shop along with the purchase down as long as the party and the
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other 31 flavors of untouchable jihad were still in control of northern england. the turkish regime of early one. we're in control of all of northern syria to a depth of up to 30 kilometers where they continued to support the rest of the as long as the n g. audi faction and the primarily syrian ones that had been molded into what had once been known as, as the free syrian army. now they called the, the syrian national army and they had 82800000 as long as the g. hardy's under arms effectively under are the ones payroll. so between the us sanctions and, you know, serious resources under control of the u. s. the steering government was followed out if the economy was, was in shambles. the, you know, the people were,
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were low living, you know, hand to mouth. and so this created the social and economic conditions where the, there has obviously been a huge infiltration a coal option of the syrian military government. various klan syrian klan, so to that, that, you know, i support the syrian government this, this was done incredibly sorely and apparently went under the noses of not only syrian intelligence, but russian intelligence in a iranian intelligence as well. the syrian military was bribed, bought black mailed into simply standing down, and then there's a history for that. so if you take a look at what happened in iraq in 2003, there was very little fighting. most of the iraqi government, the iraqi military was bought off. the same thing happened in libya at the end in triple 8, where the commanders for the defense of the city, just down there,
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troops and, and let it at this happened on a massive scale. and more, would it be going to be a, get a we could use a bagdad and we can use triple a here, george? i mean, it doesn't that that's not a very good road record of seeing the future. i mean, they did the, in the stance the way they ran into an invalid. they, these weren't jeffersonian democrats. ok, but it all to west media, guitar, a media. these are a d i g hodges, apparently. i mean, i think everyone's going to be have a really rude awakening. assad wasn't very rarely anybody's favorite, but he was better than the alternative. well, george, we have the alternative. go ahead. little question. so we definitely need to. um, no rush. i was, i was clearly the protector of the. the minority is a serious certainly is really just a very diverse country, but it's a very different people, very different religious affiliations there. and these people are not going to
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tolerate any kind of religious diversity. i mean, we know this sort of true in their records wherever they've taken power. so that's go on the but the minorities i think will start slipping in no time for them to. they're already doing it to the christians. they all of the ancient of christian communities then gone. well, you know, the one kind of, you know, tree to go shroud and try to win has now, is it the europeans been demanding the aside the most go will now be in and they did with the mass migration is nice, but punishment. so there for this, you paid it to, but there's that was no question that there has been the striking thing about this offensive is there's been no fighting. i mean, that was visit, there's nothing, i mean it's like even in afghanistan and, um, prior to the, the collapse uh, in the couple, even in a south vietnam in 1975, even in libya,
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2011. there was some fighting killer. was nothing. it was just one city after another, essentially just opened itself up to the so called rebels. and so therefore, this is a really shocking and shameful surrender. remember, as the a sog family had run this country for more than 50 years, and then this is the syria wasn't once a serious country. well there was once they, it kind of the pillar of the resistance within the middle east. i mean, it was a, it was, once you know, and those are the plans to create a join said with egypt, egypt and syria actually formed a joint state. do you like that arrow republic, sir? it was a part of the arab coalition in like the 671973. it's due to the 1980 is when the arrow of globalization kind of moved against egypt. that's just gone. and it's a n is just a shocking, the full and we're, obviously we're going to find out the, you know, in the coming day is how this happened. why russia and iran, essentially a band and what, what was the circumstance for their a band?
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and in the serial like this. go ahead. mark jumping. yeah, they didn't. um so i mean, there actually were plenty of signs this was about to happen, right. the syrian observatory for human rights, already more than a month ago, put out a notice that the um, the syrian, the opposition in ed label, you know, that hired to here. i'll show him. i'll kind of was preparing a major offensive on the syrian government. i'll just 0 reported in the middle of november. the same thing that there was about to be a huge defensive in the syrian government appeared paralyzed, but the russians were not paralyzed. in the middle of october, they began very heavy error strikes in england, followed up by very expensive drones strikes. so russia was doing what they call it, with their much smaller, military footprint, largely air power. they have been acting since the middle of october at what they
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obviously saw coming. i don't think they understood the scale or the scale of the co option, the, the, uh, buying out of the syrian army. but they were using their air force to a very significant degree to mark or the last couple months if you throw in the treachery of air to one. yeah, i, i, i mean, oh no one is, i mean, video as a involved in this, right? you know that obviously they organize this, the c i a m i 6 and my side had to do this co option a israel was involved and they, they, you know, the incursion into lebanon, helped draw, has the law out of syria down to the border. so there's a lot of timing here, but ultimately 97 percent of this is are the one. this is only one in a peak. he didn't get what he wanted. he wanted a, some type of, of a fishy ation of his control. or the fact though control over northern syria agreed
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to by damascus, damascus refused. the assad refused to give it to him. i think correctly. i'll mark on the bought. we got to go to a hard break it down to that hard break. we'll continue our discussion of the situation in syria statements are to the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just because it shows you fractured images, presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground can
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cause i don't know, it's pretty nasty faces which allow you to fall under the guise of evacuation about 50000 people were transported the the main purpose of this concentration camp in bella rose was to in think prisoners was times us and use them as a human shield against the as on things. so give them mind the inside the home. but silly into phone. you put them in the best place to live in love with like you can ship your step up and stuff like that, but don't want to bring your name the i'm so sorry i missed because on your certificate 6 to put this on and there's a, there's 2 c's, use people, this biological weapons leading them to perish without food, water, or shelter, the door of small it there for me, for a deity. so could
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a thing who lives out there with you for the smaller to the can you put the intrinsic nation weight in there? so that's a huge issue. relationship for them to move the cam gloucester 10 days or what else made it drastically defense from other camps of the 3rd rice watch on uh the the ultimate across that boulevards where all things are considered on peter lavelle to mind you were discussing syria, george the 1st iteration of this proxy war that we covered quite extensively on this program. there was always looked at and it came from western think tanks about the partition of syria. we're going to see that finally come into play. um or the americans are going up to the americans going to stay in syria and we'll, uh, the new government in syria essentially take take some parts of 11 on, i mean,
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we could see a change of the map here quite dramatically. you know, i, i think it's very likely as a president electronic has to put out to tweets. i'm suggesting that, but it is nothing in it for the united states that there's uh, you know, uh, a band but you know, we have to stay out. but as we've known before from trump, you know what he says and what he does. a 2 very different things. i don't believe one moment that the united states has got to stay out and just simply say, hey, well, that's it. we're done. we're going to let the, you know, the, the ok, that's a global will lead to enter the line to take over. that's just not the way the united states operate. and besides, i think the united states will use this opportunity to get to grips with the problem of iran once and for all, this is a good guy because in order to go pituitary, you know, it has been, you know, 45 years. so that's the downfall of apollo. and dennis the united states has not
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forgotten that that's been, you know, it's been a annoying, annoying up at washington for all these years. so they are going to apply serious pressure against the wrong. um and so i think it does. okay, so they're going to use the, the forces within a syria to apply that pressure. and i think the next thing that is going to happen busy is around because israel is going to the quick. we have other big windows and all of this, we dealt with the, the issue of his box. we crushed his bottle. we did all sorts of things. no one sold that we could dance or do we assassinate the? and that is, there are not a dog. barked and you know, essentially with now the serial gone the whole, the around his ball a link is broken. so here's the thing, you know, as well as really go, how does he, how he can survive? what does the israel do? well, as we go for the next part of the reorganizing number, the leaves next to the west bank or to the next at least the give us a southern settlements in the west bank because who's going to stop us as well can
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mark, i mean thing and i suppose it's only a matter of time, and when i say time may be days of a resumed change in 11 on it's right for picking right now. but i can, at this point i can see how, as below i can survive, not even in the medium term. so within 1st we have level down and then the, the, the great prize in room is george's pointed out go ahead mark. yeah, i'm, i don't know if living on living on will be all right. take it over for all intents and purposes, the government, the perfect. yeah. the lebanese government already is a popular government, but certainly has blog will be neutralized, will be excised from politics. obviously, i mean has, blogs, is, is probably living uh, you know, uh on the clock now. they're, they're supply lines to iran are caught and uh, you know, they're facing uh, a guy in solemn fist, jihad is syria and then now immediately on their board or,
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you know, not only george will, i mean, will the us, it's not a question of staying out there already there they already occupy used syria, and the footprint will already go. i mean, it seems almost a fun. no. during this, but over the last few days. um iraqi popular mobilization unit ship popular uh mobilization units, back by you ron, were pouring into syria to try to stem the g audi type they had been are instrumental originally in the feeding ices? you know, i rack and even the us admitted that at the time, but the us air force a tens and reaper drones worst raising these popular mobilization units as they tried to come to the help of the syrian government affectively providing air cover . uh for our kite and i use the all the important thing here is the white washing of all of this and the webs during media o gilani,
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the deputy advice is the leader of al qaeda. going still on the f. b, i's wanted list with a $10000000.00 bounty on his name. the telegraph called him the most very friendly jean holidays. right? he's being painted as some kind of che guevara, george washington vigor. this is absolutely vile. by the western main stream media, when there is, i'm doing some white squash with rain man. he trimmed his beard and put on a suit to george. and that's it. that was the make over. that's right. so now we've got the then what, what the view on the gold g b t q writes is, uh, yeah, this, this is the, the main stream media have outdone themselves in the absolutely disgraceful whitewash angle. those, you know, the was specimens of a if you man and say, um, but then you have to go back to, you know, the extraordinary hostility of,
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from the beginning to a sub human get it. and therefore they are from the beginning, they was supporting the jihad is everything. and when you, i mean dislike all of the, of the material that's on youtube and, you know, going over the internet of this forensics of boot throat, sledging and brutal torture and everything else. the west, the mean is still when only with the story of oh if only we could get rid of a side, everything would be fine. so yeah, the get it created out of the the media are doing these together rejoicing over this a vindication. but that's really the point. this is a vindication for the west. the west is going to take advantage of this. think of a, see this as an opportunity to uh, you know, push forward within the middle east. doesn't mean it's going to be successful, but they will now push forward. and as i say, i think clearly that is the next step is, i mean, israel in the west bank and i and i, and i think a day,
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and i think america is going to increase uh its footprint and we'll try to get whatever you can out of the situation is serious and then the level of environment, huge deal, political loss for rush, right? i can't see how they're going to maintain their, their military base is on the look. talk your coast line unless some type of deal is cut with early one to create some type of love, talk your state, but russia is going to lose part us and her mind maybe so this is a huge geo political blow to russia losing their influence in the middle east, iran, the whole access of resistance is face ling unraveling. at this point, it's amazing how knocking down a hollowed out and rotten syria like this, and in such a shocking way as rewritten, the g. all politics of the middle east, the, all the big winner of course of this other than is real as turkey. right. the neo ottoman empire is in full bloom, right?
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um, the other ones daughter was tweet was uh, on social media. oh, the one and put in the last, that's it, right. there was a time when in the 1st phase of the syrian civil war, when, when early one came to moscow and that, that austin all framework deal was initially agreed on. or the one was kept waiting in the kremlin, in a room full of paintings of russian defeats of the ottoman empire. he didn't forget, right. the salt on right, the ottoman empire has struck back in a completely incredible se, but um, on denial way. russia and iran, they're still really from this they, they still, you know, don't even have any effective response until, as of we speak, the russian media has still been denying the turkey is involved in this at all.
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right? because they're, the ones been bouncing around saying, i have nothing to do with it. while he's smiling and encouraging the march on damascus. and russian media has been appall is, is just been completely, you know, going along with this really sickening pretense. and george, all the while in the genocide in gaza continues unabated. and but what wester, so say is it, this is a cost of making re, re making the middle east. they think they have found an excuse for, for even the most atrocious crime of genocide because this is all because, you know, they, they knew we have to change the way to do it kind of least with dr. called the birth pangs of democracy and all of this because apparently it's, this is very democratic, at least according to western media, which really amazing. george's, it is really media actually tells the truth about these people. though the british media, american media want to say this is, you know, like
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a thomas jefferson with car wash, the call joe call kind of woke all concrete. and that, is that the, the that's exactly right. then you want to say that would be in terms of these a geo political repercussions. we have to go back a little bit further and, you know, go back to october. the 7th. what, when the how last launched that the attack, which seemed very, very bizarre, even though at the time given we knew how the circumstances that would unfold. uh, that showed up the middle east and then i thought it was going to live. was this a series of events that that was brought forward and now they were always the one cause or the access of resistance. it is no more. and i think the wrong, which now sees itself in the cross has a really, doesn't i really and any allies, it's allies in the middle is a, these various, some of forces that were on the, some kind of, you know, you're right in the control of supervision. or whatever, then they're gone, they don't have any real real force anymore. russia is very preoccupied with its
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own issues. so if, if i was either in the wrong, i would now be thinking about, well, i need to make peace with the united states because the united states is going to call out you, they got a really put a serious pressure on you. and without any allies to come through, if the rounds, this is up and get run, we'll have to accommodate yourself to the trump administration or we have just a minute left mark or there is another alternative is that the, the trump said slip under different circumstances, finish the job, well maybe finish the job now is a military conflict with the room and by the time he becomes president, the entire map of the middle east has been redone. your thoughts go ahead one minute. yeah, i read that you rod is, is definitely in, in the cross areas of george said that's absolutely true. trump is already indicated that he wanted to choke iran, you know, into regime change with sanctions. now with the success of this with this, you know, it is essentially hybrid warfare infiltration of
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a. ronnie and society by my side has already happened to a very significant degree. they act with impunity with terrorism and assassinations with any ron. so it's very possible that this could, you know, the could be extended into iran, which has a very weak president with possess key and right now who not easily came in the office, you know, wanting to improve relations with the west. and the access of resistance had already been growing very angry with tehran for their lack of action. and now did the access to of resistance is facing the dissolution on the on that? no, it's depressing. no gentlemen, but i want to thank my guess and try me. and in budapest and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time, remember across cycles, the
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