slavery, but also began to rule their state the i'm ashen or can see and welcome back to going underground rule gusting all around the world from the u. a. on the very day, the 1948 genocide convention was adopted by the united nations tomorrow is rarely criminal. netanyahu is scheduled to defend himself in a jewish court against charges of corruption, not genocide. this is native nations with these relative kind to try to continue their extermination of arabs in syria or at least rusher on today's heroes of the fatherland they will be seeking to wipe out m. i 60 i a most i'd backed out guide. but as for 11 and in the holy land, christmas destroyed by washington pallet looks bleak. joining me now from the us state of pennsylvania is susan level. our best selling author of the novel is

mornings and janine the blue between sky and water and against the loveless world, applies also the founder, playgrounds for palestine and initiative, bringing ram, movements of joy to children, living on the u. u. s. u k. um, is there anything occupational? susan, thank so much for coming on. i met at 1st ask what playground to palestine is for our audience because a horribly the world playground is now associated with mass graves and is really sole designed by britain in the united states. playing and playgrounds and executing children, as i am sure, thanks for having me. clarence for palestine uh, was conceived as an initiative to bring recreation and joy to children. we have, for the past year diverted all of our resources towards a school that we started in gaza because this is the 2nd year now that children

have been out of school. so we are trying to, you know, just continue education as much as possible for as many children as we can. i mean, uh, i mean if it's amazing to even talk about schools, obviously it looks to me, it's the famine and, and the flooding. and this winter in gaza, you, i understand the where the ox with union famous for hosting malcolm x that goes in it today will say like being in the oaks with union in a country, britain which is actively participating in the genocide because it's flying the spice lights from cypress you've like, i know you've characterized it previously, is the subject being subject to 3 adjective bullying, screaming and insults. yeah, i'm glad you mentioned malcolm x because that's um that was kind of the reason that i went mean a you know, i think that the people on,

on the opposition team were uh kind of beneath us of helping us. i mean, they're genocide advocates, and as i mentioned in my opening remarks, i did go there in the spirits of malcolm x and also james baldwin, who, who was in a similar debate at cambridge, both of them facing criminals who, who adhered to racist ideologies. just like signed some yes. lean the guy clearly in britain and there are many exceptions that mean mass demonstrations in solidarity with by this time we, we mustn't forget that. but the newspaper i began my career on the godaddy and i understand 1st, i mean they facilitating the whole the costing gaza. they recently banned an article by you about palestine. i mean,

i think the western media in general is complicit. it's not active participants in this genocide. i mean me on the evidence is, is pretty damning for not just the guardian, but for the b, b, c, the new york times cnn, and my some b, c. all of them. they are all complicit in white washing is really crimes and covering up what's actually happening on the ground. in discounting the voices and the reportage of posting and journalists who are on the ground and to get all the credit for uh for ensuring that this genocide, this holocaust did not happen in the dark. which is what israel clearly wanted to happen when they cut off all internet and communication and band journalist western journalist from entering the cause a strip and then proceeded to assassinate journalists. and it's the largest

cohort of a sausage journalist and in any conflict in, in modern times, the recorded history, i believe. so the, the incident with the was the guardian was ultimately about, you know, sort of the brain, things broke down over the use the word holocaust. i was asked to write a piece for a series that was running in the guardian. i was skeptical that they would run anything i, i wrote because i, you know, voice like is here and on the list in the running and, and you said that or what? well, no, i know it's because i'm because i'm on compromising what i say. i think they like to have articles by palestinians who are willing to soften their voice and just to, you know, just to be heard. and i wasn't willing to do that. i did a compromise on some edits and then things finally broke down because i refused to

remove the word holocaust. even though we have seen the pictures of brand brand children to have as part of the ethnic cleansing, organ, grandchildren. i mean, it's burn, children burning alive of whole families burying the lives of. i mean, most children are dying. the most gruesome, horrific death of being buried in the rubble unable to move, unable to breathe. and it takes, you know, that kind of suffocation of being buried alive, takes anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes to die. and you can imagine the heart of the terror that individuals, children, whole families go through before they diamond that's happening on mass of throughout garza. and um, children are being sniped that's been well documented. uh, the 3rd largest cohort of pediatric, pediatric mt cheese,

anywhere in the world. it, you know, that our society is under the, devastated by this colonial monstrosity that the west planted in our midst. yeah. and the guardians of british newspapers, zekia selma, obviously intimately involved with the genocide. i mean we have, i am on a gap, the volume the, the editor of the guardian, we're right around her previous us are um, risk bridger was on the show. uh, i know julian hassan just wiki leaks went back. happy about him being on the show because of the way the guy didn't treated the wiki leaks, but we do inviting you to say having being to gaza, the referral that aerobic journalism and it has been such a really journalism from gaza. you say the reality is infinity was on the ground. tell me why i to be on this. i have not you were there twice this

year as i was and i, i still cannot find the right words to, to, to capture the enormity of the heart. and not something that i've heard. we've all heard from people from doctors, from other and g o workers who have been there. and they come out saying like i just don't have the words to explain because in that's a feeling that's something we all feel um. the, you know, on the one hand, there is this kind of, um, spectacular violence for lack of a better word. that is. so that's horrifying. and it's not as pervasive. but there's also this of this constant chronic mass deprivation, degradation of society. so, you know, it's, it's, you know, the suit, how it goes, um, and policies in general,

manage to become a high functioning society, despite all of the hardships in all of the restrictions like israel has placed on us for example, you know, education in our society comes at a premium, i mean, you asked me why, you know what, why we're having schools when people are hungry because this is, this is the, this is our society. we value education and policy and had built universities under impossible conditions. um and so on the one hand, you had people who were planning to open businesses to pursue their peach dues to um, to get married, to build a house. and now the ceiling of people's ambitions is just to get enough water for the day. and this mazda of degradation of, of, of people, of families,

of societies, the break down the disease, the fill, the hunger, the thirst to be in security, the fear, the trauma, this accumulation of this incur mental accumulation of her upon her upon her. that just does not abate, it does not like it, there's no, there's no place to run. it is this tiny place like a fish bowl that, that, that, um, that is real shoots into well and commits the most horrific atrocities, wisdom community seeming impunity. and nothing seems to be stopping where you are in your, in the united states. so what does it make you feel when you see this is 5 being vito to the un security council. and more and more arms with the each week are being supplied and manufactured. where you live uh, to carry out the genocide. yeah, exactly. and honestly

a lot of us are actually leaving united states for precisely for that reason. um, it's just there's a big part of me that i wish i never left cuz i think i feel like i would rather be there despite all of the threats because it feels it feels so the world feels like a big lie outside of gaza. and one cannot escape the, or the feeling of complicity just and also of guilt of survivors. guild see, you know, why, why do i get to live in a, in safety? and why do i get to have ample food? and especially when, you know, you have all of these images and these people you love who are, who are suffering so profoundly. i mean, uh, what do you think of, uh,

this extra estate has to be blinking? who uh, whose do a pay is every few months saying he's trying his best while the items are being sent there and port in to wipe out it can exterminate name. yeah. any blinking is design us. i don't even, i don't believe he has. i believe his 1st loyalty is actually to israel, like so many esign us and to have gotten themselves and planted themselves in positions of power throughout this administration, previous administrations throughout throughout congress, throughout the media throughout hollywood. i mean, they do not believe for one second that their loyalty is to the united states. it's not even a dual loyalty. it is a single loyalty to israel. and you know, i mean, anthony blinking himself when he went to, when he went to israel said, you know, i'm here as a jew, i mean it's, it's, it, it, you know, the chutzpah of doing that. i can't imagine a muscle. i'm saying that i'm not here as an american, i'm here as a muslim. no one would a, the media would,

would never let that fly. but i think that design us in this country have of extraordinary control over foreign policy. i believe they are dictating foreign policy. i mean, that does not absolves biden or harris or anyone else, i think blinking is playing on a massive role and perpetuating this genocide, i think. and, and even coming in at the administration as well. i mean, jared cushion or has a great deal of control and influence and what happens as he did in the previous trump administration. he is an involved zine us. he has talked about removing palestinians because and taking over what he called valuable. sure. front property . i mean, these people are on their deprived they are deprived, i should just say crushing it as never rule as far as we know at the time of his interview though, his, uh, his dad does in uh,

in powers as far as i understand. but susan level our, i'll stop you the more from the best selling, older of buildings, engineering and founder, playgrounds, rebel as time after this break, the plus the see the silver. so the, somebody how can it be that um the ship to the middle east from a country whose top officials constantly complain about shortages of munitions and military equipments through a low paying the boy a bit of boss and milk, or even maybe a little in your system with below grade level nominal facility or some of those other staff we, i'm about the easiest and it was one of the easiest. somebody remember above the

sort of wellness that will kind of get used to have gone on the level. why are weapons from ukraine spreading over the world to, to this country and to a major arms hub, will continue to bolster ukraine's and forces by rushing them occasionally is that they need to defend their country. the everyone knows very well that we don't sell but known as pineapples or any kind of children's toys. we sell weapons. yes, we're also known in the world is almost dealers, that we must not be ashamed of that the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the best selling author of mornings in janine and founder of playgrounds for balance transfers, and they'll allow susan, uh, you won't find the british medical lawn said the general, the july estimate of a 186000 killed mostly women and children in nature, propaganda or media, but you,

i understand, believe adding being to guys or that it could be as high as a, as half a 1000000. maybe by now. i mean that's proportionally equivalent to why being a 160000000 americans. what do you think about the scale of this larger and is it being covered there in the united states in terms of percentages? because uh, uh these are, these are unprecedented numbers, aren't they? has for a population. so i, of course, i mean, of course, it's not being covered in united states, be about 10 days prior to the lancet article. i did a study myself, i am a scientist, but before i was underwriter, i was assigned to them. i still am. i used to the things i witnessed, i used other data that i gathered and i use data from various human rights organizations who are on the ground in gaza,

including the when euro meds, the w h o and others and using a morbidity and mortality rates for known diseases i, i calculated the number or the range of the most likely the most likely death toll accordingly. um, so you have of course, the direct uh, the direct murder which has been calculated precisely actually by the policy and ministry of health here. and there is also a number of missing palestinians, most of them presumed dead. so those or the that's those are kind of the direct number of, of casualties. but you have this much larger casualty figure that's related to

the withholding of medication, the new diseases, etc. so there are a lot of chronic diseases in any population including diabetes and uh, and various cardiovascular diseases, kidney disease and certain genetic disorders that require particular diets and things like that. so this entire population has been really a hugely affected very adverse adversely. so, and there's a, a percentage of that population has died or is expected to die because of lack of, of, of medication for these chronic conditions. and so that's another population. there's also the, the people who are dying of malnutrition, most of them children and very vulnerable individuals, people who are dependent on dialysis or cancer patients who cannot get treatments.

i mean, those are, that population is also getting wiped out because there's just no facilities left or, or treatment for them. so there's multiple populations like that and when you and when you add it all up, when you calculate the, the, the rates of mortality based on known rates that are available in the literature and scientific literature. you can you come uh, a somewhat come a, i come up with a statistical number and i did that. i came up with a range that was between 894002514000 people killed as a result of l. a. and there's also like of course, the, the, the, the rate of infection post, post operative infection is quite high because there's, there are no antibiotics really being let in. and then 10 days after that,

of course my, you know, as, as with the media, uh, the way they typically do is to ignore posted invoices. but and so my study was, was ignored until 10 days later when the lancet published an estimate of 186000 people dead, which i believe is still on under estimation. but that, you know, of corresponds to the lower end of the range that i predicted. i do think when, when the dust settles that we will find probably half a 1000000 at least maybe, you know, 10 percent of the population having been wiped out. and uh, and of course the population of those who have been named and injured is, is even, is even larger. so for a client or a quarter of the population, i'll give you the,

i mean, yeah, i mean, literally when the dust settles, i mean, assuming most go engaging who genetics agent being don't come. and militarily a develops opinions. because clearly, all the allies that the ballast ends up being knocked out. one by one. do you think we will see in your own book style trial trials of the bite and the harris blinking sullivan austin, osh stein in europe, style of wonderland, macro and schultz. these are the people that they will without whom this would not be possible. i mean, if there is any justice in this world then yes, but i don't. um, you know, i don't have a crystal ball and i don't know. i do know that these, all the guards, these western, all the guards, this ruling elite who are moving this entire planet, and especially in our region. and they're the ones who made all the rules. and they designed them to not hold

themselves to account. uh, which is why i think the, the, the icpc arrest warrants came as such a shock to everybody whether or not they will be held to account. you know, i don't know if you're even gone to being on the stream guns we know on this show in the i took his time, i don't know how many people were killed in the unprecedented waiting period with this for this warrant. um you were talking about cushion or the other one? uh trump, some son in law. of course uh michigan went uh to its trump, arab americans village because anything is better than someone like all across terrace. uh, give me, why do you think 74000000 americans still voted for the harris? knowing what was going on? i mean, the, you don't have to be a great supporter of trump to realize you don't want to be supporting kamala harris

because that would make you complacent in genocide. yeah. to i think americans, well, 1st of all, i think one of the numbers on is often ignored and analyzing selection or the number of americans who stayed home. we did not vote at all. there's over approximately 18000000 people who voted in the previous selection, who just did not vote at all me. but to me that is the most significant number that anybody should be looking at. and because i think it speaks to the, the, the feeling that americans have said this political system does not represent anybody does not, there are no options for any of us. and the selection of those who did vote, you know, the americans are largely on uh sort of ignorant of international politics and foreign policy. i think

a lot of americans don't view foreign policy as being as important as domestic policy policies. and that's why power as campaigned so much on uh, on domestic issues. yeah. but i'm just saying that we're using words like all the quotes and genocide and people talk about the zone of interest that failed about alex rates. and in that perspective, that's not really a and excuses and events like literally talking about head todd sees voting for hipaa. oh, they're larger job and public. why are american scale? you can see and certainly the younger generation because we've seen mass protests and less support for palestine amongst young people in the united states. what is it about older american democrats to think it's ok to vote for janice politicians that advocate general. so again, this is what i was trying to explain and my answer is that there's

a large portion of americans who, who vote strictly on domestic policies, which was why, again, harris was campaigning on, on, on identity politics. in many ways the, there's another portion of americans who, who know what's happening and recognize that the genocide is taking place. but they've voted for her, none the less. and frankly, i think this has this kind of liberal establishment mentality that ultimately, you know, they'll say, oh, well, you know, the genocide is bad, but they, they don't really they don't mean it in the full weight of that word because they don't really value palestinian lies it is if it were, if, if what's happening to us were happening to jews, for example, this, it just would have been a no starter. but we are so dehumanized in this arabs,

in particular on the west, has been conditioned to accept our demise as, as if it were sort of in an inevitability. that is inevitable for us to live in chaos and disorder and despair. and that's, that's how the american public has been conditioned for decades through the media, through hollywood, through book publishers. um and so even those who might be dismayed or upset by the genocide what, what they see does not carry the same visceral weight as it would if it were any other people if it were ukrainians, for example. so because i don't think that we are perceived as fully human. uh they will, i mean, you all ready for a ukrainians is afford the,

let's get any rate. i mean, uh, do you think trump being elected will mean a reconfiguration of what goes by the left in the united states and away from identity politics and back to anti and barry elizabeth plus politics that you think that's one of the greatest things about a trump victory that the left will begin to understand or then advantage to very few sign sofa that um uh the clean tonight wing i to the whole of that establishment, but also support hollywood and propaganda media. going to be a while. yeah, i don't. i don't see signs of that except when it comes to young people. i think one of the, one of the only promising, well not the only but one of the promising signs has been that not only our young people awakened to the criminality of israel. but they have become awakened to the ways in which mass media has protected israel and has of secured

and up to skated their crimes for so long. so there is a diminishing trust in western media, which i think is, is probably the most important developments for, for future generations in this country to be mistrustful of this corporate design its media, frankly. and um and so they, they do look for alternative news sources. they look for independence, media and they look for alternative political analyses from intellectuals not from um, you know, sort of a, basically entertainers who pose as journalists. um, so that, you know, that bodes well for the future. but you know, what that means is, is difficult to, uh, is difficult to really predict because i also know that, uh,

these all guards are quite resilience and colonialism and imperialism. just don't seem to sleep. but we'll see, i mean, you know, but the bottom line is there is this whole generation now that knows and recognizes israel as, as a barbaric genocidal western invention to the low. thank you. thank you option. thanks rodney, that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences to those surviving the u. k. u. s . and you, i'm genocide here in this region will be back with a brand new episode on site the angel. then keep in touch my role as social media, if it's not sense in your country and how do i channel going? undergoing tv and rumbled, i'll come to us, new and old episodes are going on the guns. he's out to the

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