the feeling is that a place called momma, that's an answer. there's a bigger issue. the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i'm theater. lavelle, a terror state is in the making in the center of the middle east. and it's by design, indeed, i saw it is gone, but so we syria for screen change has brought about speak failure. and we all know the obvious winners and losers. the

cross talking siri, i'm joined by my guess mohammed mirandi until then he was a professor at the university of the around in bay route. we have layla hot at home . she is editor in chief of men and uncensored and in brussels. we crossed to a life man. yeah. and he is a veteran war correspondent and political analysts or in cross talk roles in effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated. well, how many let me go to you 1st and put on my introduction. i hope i didn't bird john of hyperbole, but we have as a terrorist state being recognized by the west in its infancy. and as a result, we have a failed state. the civil war is back on. go ahead mohammed. yes, this dirty war has ultimately, or, or fruits and the united states has been able to, along with mr. add on and met in, yahoo has been able to create a country controlled by. okay to we have to

remember that giovanni was a deputy of a couple of act back though the, the head of isis, when it was the stomach say to be rock. he was in charge of syria under the name of the most up front. and he was the head of alibi, then siri until that in a public relations a fact he separated from al qaeda in the presence of our senior, all kinds of figures and they were nodding their heads. yes he's, he's no longer with us. so the united states has a past succeeded in, and now we're seeing the devastation we're seeing. those riley is destroyed the infrastructure of the military infrastructure of the country, the security infrastructure. we're seeing the looting of the central bank. we're seeing, they, they were, they were saying that the syrian government kills people. murderous people, takes people to present them. and i'm sure the syrian government was not

a wonderful government, but uh, they're not killing people on the streets. they're gunning down people in hospitals . and they are accumulating people in public or hanging people, and they're also allowing the country to fall apart. and as there's rarely in advance on damascus, they're doing nothing. no way. i mean it's, it's quite curious. we have western governments cheering on the change of power. so as mohammed is kind of pointed out, they don't like to go into detail about who these people are. i call them terrorists because that's what the us government calls them. and that's where the, the leader of this group, who they, they, they call them a territory. it's a 10000000 dollar bounty on his head, but they don't use such a how can you explain that the us is real and turkey are continuing to bomb a country that has had received change? how. how does that make any sense? go ahead and be route as well. actually, it makes

a lot of sense. if you look at that, sometimes this is perspective. you don't want the student army to continue to have minutes or capabilities. but at any point, when these are mazda, those, there's instructions on the goals and sort starts and go back, probably be up and try to depart the country between themselves. we have, by since that's one, had to se, ask you how much to us, among others under most and brotherhood. and if you take a when they start starting among each other and each one last as part, you don't want the c a r means to have it's cart capabilities, spend the air force, it has to be able to this. and one of them, at least, so this is what we saw, that is rate is due by the infrastructure for the seed of army to also prevented from the building. and so for the next few years, which means you would have explained the very weak stay next you with us divided among all of the service groups and nobody can start them. for tech, it wants to create its own buffer zone, much like this radius 2 bucks from the inside of a cd and it wants to create the buffer zone. but take a next more that we have multiple of the 3rd to share what you coordinated through

bases in a blip and in other areas, including the other 4, they have to enter them into wise and they want to eliminate or stop the threat that they consider which is basically the kurtz, the dk k, if you could get on the time people mixing the base. uh they are also talking vis you another courses of them and said, infrastructure, well the, you just described my introduction, elijah, let me go to you in brussels. i mean, given what our to guess of already said, there is no syrian sovereignty here, there is no syrian government. i mean, there may be a new puppet government in damascus, but it's not governing. it's certainly not governing the country and, and, and to make things worse the, these outside powers, as i mentioned to us israel and turkey, want to make sure that there is no input structure for a state that used to be called syria. go ahead and brussels. what they did not only destroy the infrastructure, there is nothing that serious can defend itself with today. these roommates are not,

it's 300. the task of syrian stored in the 48 hours destroying everything that syria had because he right used to run in fact or weapons and money factor besides a long range medium, right? and, and there's quite a bit vast and they stick knology and we have seen the use really destroying everything and the americans talking about observing the news here in the, the, is it was, they respect international roles. why history is annexing motor tree and they've reached 25 feet all sorts of devices today. so we, we see that the really is advancing and we don't know where they are going to stop . what are the ultimate plan? but we know one thing that is here yet can no longer defend itself, and just standard 3 alpha bravo,

$81.00 can take it be. so see it today. the only within the next is only for the entire domestic and in finding use. so that encouraging the syrians to, to keep the only weapons that they can find among them said. and we also have seen how the 17 groups that form the new really good shape. they have not thinking calling really. and they are not expected to leave the country altogether under why leadership and we have seen instruction giving and the behavior that is completely different. so we don't expect instability in syria. okay, um i'm gonna go back to mohamed into them all through this program. i. we're missing the words, democracy of freedom tolerance. i thought that's what the syrian revolution was all about. but we haven't heard it on this program yet. will we go ahead mohammed? you know, there's, there's

a missing link to democracy. uh, throughout this, so the 31, not that democracy, was the facade from the very beginning. the wes called it all these parents freedom fighters before people knew what isis actually was. they called them freedom, fire fighters, and they weren't telling them that this was tied up and you're to guess made some very important points sir. the syrian army of much of the equipment that was destroyed has nothing to do with the needs of is right. the machine, this here now for us, is not capable of confronting this, right. the air force. there are elements within the syrian and force is that would be dangerous to, to this riley. we seem like it miss ald capability, but they destroyed the air force, not because it was a threat to israel,

but for 2 reasons. one as uh, was previously correctly pointed out so that no one can control syrian so that no the central government cannot use the air force to bomb rabbits. but also, i think this was a stupid move by nothing yahoo, because nothing yahoo, for his own selfish interest, he's, he's bombing all these positions in syria and all of this infrastructure to tell his riley's design is set up. look, i'm, i'm powerful. i've defeated my enemies. that is a smart move, i suppose among times. but what he has done is that he's exposed to the re, the new regime in damascus. they are not going to do anything. it probably is exactly. they are not going to confront. there's really rashid air. they're gone. who is sorry, a barking nonsense about palestine for years is now that now that he is

a border with is ralph, he is not going to do anything about it. he is after it as pointed out correctly. he is after this buffer zone is interested in the north, perhaps expanding the, his a, his ottoman realm of influence and even further. but he's not going to do anything for the policy and people. and actually what, you know, the americans in engineering who did was in and sadly they delta severe blow to the resistance. yep. and turned a defeat for this re the regime because in order for the is really we seem to declare victory. the other side has to be defeated, but they've turned to re defeats that there was a way of the resume, which has been delayed due to months, and which has failed to capture territory in the north. it has failed to vanquish

her mazda in the south, and as long as the job, they've turned that into a victory for this ready machine. okay, um, we're about to go to the break and i don't want to cut off my next guess. i'll ask you a follow up question, mom at this uh go loudly. who does the answer to that's, that's a very good question. but to i've been key answers to a host of different people. i think he answers to the, to avalon, he answers to western intelligence agencies. obviously, his interview with cnn shows a very strong relationship with a political establishment in the united states. cnn tried very hard to whitewash his crimes and to make him look like a, a moderate and even his clothes looks like the clothes with the lensky. and it's a, it is i the are spirit powerful western elements in what he's doing. yeah, it's in the oh, yeah, i know. i notice is a lensky garb and he trimmed his beard, but i doubt his ideas of change. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to

a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on syria. stay with our to the look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings accept. we're so shorter to conflict with the 1st law show alignment of the patient. we should be very careful about our personal intelligence. the point obviously is to great trust, rather than fit the various job. i mean with artificial intelligence, we have somebody with him and the robot must protect this phone. existence was on the

device, you know, just give, explain your thoughts or just so used to combine you say combined heat. so that's the, the, the video on the phone with the different below and being able to continue to, to send them to the steps of pulling it from somebody at least choice, although we'll see how to forward it on to non and all of the loading on page 65 day oh, don't allow because we use to entice you to

the easy to, to the welcome back to across stock where all the things are considered. i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing syria, the ok. let's go back to layla and be what i'm going to be a little facetious here. so take it on board here. so the mantra was, the sod has to go, well, he's gone. so does that mean the sanctions come to an end? does that mean the opto illegal occupation of the of american troops? the interior that's going to end because as odds gone, the precondition has been met. you can take it from there. a well,

i heard of the americans are going to sleep because we heard by the nice thing recently about he's the, he's going to get the troops in the us with us basics for the very complicated that troops in the interior to make sure that the basically there's no what you call an explosion of the situation. at the end of the day, the whole thing was done for the americans to have the 3 bases in the region. much like the russians have in syria and to control the resources for the students and see what kind of the benefits from, for example, it's andrew. some of the other things. however, the way you, cuz it's, i mean the, at the end of the day, nobody's going to see that it's going to go on to a blood bus. as professor natalie had said the correctly. so it's going to be a civil war. they are going to put them on each other. there's nobody was going to sink and have them. they don't see it here because they haven't agreed on a certain person. and oh, i show it a i have to assume because the us, once the main tape maintain had gemini in the region,

one ideal way of doing that would be actually setting up a curtis state. now that would mix up the works really seriously chaos on steroids . but i think they may do it. what are your thoughts? i don't think so because they've tried to any rockstead a few years ago. and they did not support an independent state in krista. so having to be at p k. k value. and that's assuming that that b k k, establishing what is called the role is, uh, is not going to happen now because the iraqis and the at that would not accept god state all the folders and give you the wrong will not accept that. so it is not something that can happen, and america is not interested in leaving the area. stop watching. the state means there is no point for them to stay in syria. however,

they want to stay because that says the, he's really not some of security and they want to control all the syria and the private from it's a food basket and it's energy. this is why they all the right from the b. like all the more so that create a fictitious state called curtis than the americans are there to protect it. i see your point here, mohammed um, where does your around stand and all of this because they are a, there's a lot of glee, a full talk in western capitals where, you know, it ran as separate as strategic to feed. so we can go on and on, of course i do not go into the zip pick description that i, what kind of relationship that a ran had with syria. not necessarily with mr aside here. how is it around looking at it? and how is it looking forward? because it's got a mess on, it's on its borders in a, in a very, very big way. and there's also an intended headache, obviously created against the round go ahead mohammed. hey,

ron obviously never wanted isis. and i look by the to rule over syria. and that's exactly why you're wrong got involved from the very beginning. if you recall iran or has the law or the other state didn't get involved in syria until 2013, 2 years after this all started and only after tens of thousands of foreign fighters that old had been brought into syria already. it was then that they got involved. so for iran, this is a tragedy, and it is a major set back to say the least. however, while in the short run, it is a major setback. but in the long run, i think that the actually the science that are going to lose the most are countries like turkey, countries in the region, countries like saudi arabia. jordan, this is going to cause instability because now these groups, they are you for it. they are drunk in their victory and they want to expand. and

if to allow me, does not accept to move forward for greater conquests, then he will be targeted himself. yes, some of these agreements are far worse than the likes of joel, i me and the economic burden for turkey is also going to be huge either turkey is going to have to put in or i todd is going to have to put in a lot of money for a very long period of time, or the situation is going to get worse as it is getting worse. and this is going to cause animosity friction to say the least, but also is going to be a security problem for turkey and an economic burden for the country. lately, i saw you nodding your head as a professor. mirandi was speaking, why were you doing that? go ahead or the smart because i had an interview earlier this morning,

but then i have it and i almost have the same thing and i agree with him with every on every single board that he said, remember when you are, you have for those who shared long borders with the country that's going to turn into another movie already. you know, that's the same value that we have for seeing for syria at the moment. because we have seen this as the obstacles they happen before, especially when you have at the national affairs pushing the service on the ground . it is bound to have smoke. agents will automatically cause enough of the system and they said, well, if it's a before this go to other countries. and basically you try to enforce the agenda over there again. and then you have most of the most and brotherhoods, the most and brotherhoods on the side wants to take over the game over here. they want to stick over the phone and syria, but not only syria. they've had the demonstrations and in june of jordan. so we do expect the most and brother with being drunk going forward. we'll also try to make a move and jordan, the suicide bombers that we still back in 201120122013. they wouldn't go back to 13,

and then you're going to have that expect that agent remember also just running up on the. so that's in the agent. that's like going forward. he's going to go supposedly to dress and that means we're going to have it region of if the ration by don't agents, it's not your learning himself. and if you're, if you're just as a professor, randy said he wouldn't be a target. and so, yeah, eliza, it's been mentioned here what happened in libya with the over through the conduct fee regime. and that is part of the historical record and it is being still played out to this day. we all know that precedent. was it intentional to do the same exact thing in syria? is that the intention chaos go ahead? the produce? i did that to them and i managed to add it to judge because we had to be a few days in 11 days. everything happened in syria. everything changed and now suddenly we have the americans talking, the possibility of lifting the sanctions as long as you need those all know,

contesting what these writer is doing and they know mentioning this right the enemy's only iran has black. therefore, for the moment we see d as a nato countries, as the main claire is he going to continue in control of the situation? is he going to control what they do? have a list of different groups. he has many looked at the dogs and find out played bob good kids are ready. is he going to be able to make sure to direct everybody to 17 groups in whatever you want. this is to add him to the judge because what we have seen in the the max execution is different from what we have seen in devices or in other christian and otherwise everywhere. so it's very confused that the imaging updates this area and c a and we haven't seen

again the end of these really destruction in syria and advance and so your entire tree. so all that is of a li at the moment. what is this going to be another? libya it is going to be divided syria, where they should be switched off. i think that was done to the real skin from the very beginning when the way of form as a jump. i didn't know so that this box irises, that then you don't want to tie them and then remain the same that for you, but under different names. and suddenly they say, now they all model, right? we haven't seen that. we haven't seen them the same. so for mothers and it is just 2019 behaving any different from yeah, the uh, side of these are, these are pretty b a, b. yeah. so i don't think this is something is very clear now to say it is going to be likely be a always going to bother you maybe. but maybe the only difference is the factions

fighting and syria will be very well funded. ok, mohammed was, i'd like to, i'd like to finish the program and on god's the, they couldn't, the, the genocide continues there. and we can't forget what's going on there. this is what the israelis want and as line as will say this was all worth it because of the victories they have had experiencing it against has belie. now syria, but they did the jet aside, can say it continues go ahead as well as i do believe that this really is had a victory over hezbollah. although they say it has been very hard. but the fact that has been law under very difficult circumstances was able to hold their territory and to prevent them from taking southern lebanon. and i think that was a victory. the defeat is here, and that of course effects has blown up too. but you're absolutely correct. uh, this is very tragic not only for the people of casa who been forgotten, and we have to remember that miss as yvonne has been, has been transporting baku oil. she bought 2

o l t as well for the last 14 months. he continues to have relations, political relations, intelligence senior intelligence officers go back and forth between the 2. so he is, he's, he's very much responsible for people for getting gaza, but we shouldn't, we all have and when we look at and we won't forget and on that note all i can say to my wonderful gas to be continued. i want to thank my guest in russell's b route and until around. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time. remember the prospect of the the, [000:00:00;00]

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