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[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered time. peter level terror state is in the making in the center of the middle east and it's by design indeed, a solid is gone, but so we syria, forestry, game change has brought about speak failure. and we all know the obvious winners and losers, the cross sucking siri. i'm joined by my guess mohammed mirandi, until then he was a professor at the university of the around in bay route. we have left out of the home. she is editor in chief of men and uncensored and in brussels. we crossed to

a light man, yet he is a veteran war correspondent and political analysts, or in cross lock rules and effects. that means he can jump any time you want, and i always appreciated. well, how many let me go to you 1st and put on my introduction. i hope i didn't verge of hyperbole, but we have as a terrorist state being recognized by the west in its infancy. and as a result, we have a failed state. the civil war is back on. go ahead mohammed. yes, this dirty war has ultimately, or groups and the united states has been able to, along with mr. ad on and that in yahoo has been able to create a country controlled by okay to we have to remember that giovanni was a deputy of a couple of act fast id be headed by serious when it was their stomach say to be

rocky. was in charge of syria under the name of the most up front. and he was the head of out by the, in syria until that in a public relations. a fact he separated from al qaeda in the presence of our senior, all kinds of figures. and they were nodding their heads. yes he's, he's no longer with us. so the united states has a past succeeded in, and now we're seeing the devastation we're seeing. those riley is destroyed the infrastructure of the military infrastructure of the country. the security infrastructure was seeing the looting of the central bank were seeing they, they weren't, they were saying that the syrian government kills people. murder as people takes people to present. i'm and i'm sure the syrian government was not a wonderful government, but uh, they are not killing people on the streets. they're gunning down people in hospitals. they are accumulating people in public or hanging people.

and they're also allowing the country to fall apart. and as these riley is advance on the mass, cuz they're doing nothing, no way. i mean it's, it's quite curious. we have western governments cheering on the change of power. so as mohammed is kind of pointed out, they don't like to go into detail about who these people are. i call them terrorists because that's what the us government calls them. and that's where the leader of this group, who they, they call them materially. it's a $10000000.00 bounty on his head, but they don't use that to him. how can you explain that the us is real and turkey are continuing to bomb a country that has had received change? how. how does that make any sense? go ahead and be route it actually, it makes a lot of sense if you look at that, some of this is perspective. you don't want the student army to continue to have minutes or care, but it is. but at any point, when these are most of those, there's collections on the go start, start, think over the power, be up and try to depart the country between themselves. we have isis,

that's one hand us to ask you how much to us among others on the most and brotherhood. and if you take a when they start starting along each other and each one loss is part, you don't want the c a r mean to have it's cart capabilities found the air force it has to be able to, that's what one of them, at least so this is what we saw, that is rate is to embark the infrastructure for the see the army to also prevented from the building. and so for the next few years, which means you would have spent a very week stay next year with us divided among all of the service groups. and nobody can stop them for their kid wants to create this offers on much like this really is 2 bucks from the side of a cdn. it wants to create the buffer zone, but takes a next more or less. we have multiple the share. what you quoted me through bases in a group and in other areas we couldn't get it for they have to enter the 10 minutes rewards and they want to eliminate towards stall disrupt that they come to this, which is basically the kurtz,

the dk k. if you could get on the 1st time people mixing the base uh they are also talking vis you another courses of their benefits such as well the you just described my introduction, elijah, let me go to you in brussels. i mean, given what our to guess of already said, there is no syrian sovereignty here, there is no syrian government. i mean, there may be a new poppet government in damascus, but it's not governing. it's certainly not governing the country and, and, and to make things worse the, these outside powers, as i mentioned, to us israel and turkey, want to make sure that there is no input structure for a state that used to be called syria. go ahead and brussels or what they did not only destroy the infrastructure, there is nothing that syria can defend itself with today, these roommates are donates. 300. the tax on syrians stored in the 48 hours destroying everything that syria had because he refused to manufacture weapons and

money factor. besides a long range of medium ratings and it does quite a bit vast and they stick knology. and we have seen the use really destroying everything and the americans talking about observing the new syrians need is if they respect international roles, why his right is annexing motor tree and they've reached at 25 kilometers sauce device is today. so we, we see that this really is advancing and we don't know why they are going to stop. what are the ultimate plan that we know one thing that's here yet can nor no, but defend itself. and just standard 3 alpha bravo. 81 can take it be so celia, today the only way that that is only for the entire domestic and in finding use. so that encouraging the syrians to,

to keep the only weapons that they can find among them said. and we also have seen how the 17 groups that form the newly good shape they have not thinking calling to really. and they are not expected to leave the country altogether under why leadership. and we have seen instruction giving and the behavior that is completely different. so we don't expect instability in syria. okay, i'm going to go back to mohammed and to then, i'll, i'll to this program i, we're missing the words, democracy of freedom tolerance. i thought that's what the syrian revolution was all about. but we haven't heard it on this program yet. will we go ahead mohammed? you know there's, there's nothing linked to democracy. uh, throughout this whole uh, 31. not that democracy was the facade from the very beginning. the wes call that

all these terrace freedom fighters before people knew what is this actually was they called them freedom fire fighters and they weren't telling them that this was kind of and you to guess made some very important points. um, sir, the syrian army of much of the equipment that was destroyed has nothing to do with the needs of this right. the machine this here now for us, is not capable of confronting bears, right? the air force. there are elements within the syrian armed forces that would be dangerous to, to these really we seem like did miss ald capability, but they destroyed the air force, not because it was a threat to israel, but for 2 reasons. one as uh, was previously correctly pointed out so that no one can control syrian so that no

the central government cannot use their. ready for us to bomb rabbits. but also i think this was a stupid move by nothing yahoo because nothing. yahoo, for his own selfish interest, he's, he's bombing all these positions and syria and all of this infrastructure to tell his riley's design is set up. look, i'm a powerful, i've defeated my enemies. that is a smart move, i suppose among designs. but what he has done is that he's exposed to the very the new regime in damascus. they are not going to do anything. it probably is exactly. they are not going to confront those right of the machine and they're gone. who was, sorry, a barking nonsense about palestine for years is now that now that he is a border with this route, he is not going to do anything about it. he is after it, as pointed out correctly. he is after this buffer zone, his interest in the north,

perhaps expanding the uh, his uh, his ottoman uh, around the influence even further. but he's not going to do anything for the promising and people. and actually what, you know, the americans and nothing. yeah. who did was in, i'm sadly made delta severe blow to the resistance. yep. and turned a defeat for this rather machine because in order for the israeli, we seem to declare victory. the other side has to be defeated, but they've turned to re defeats that there was a way of using which has been delayed due to months, and which has fail to capture territory. and the north is failed to vanquish how mazda and the south and hispanic job. they've turned that into a victory for this very racing. okay, um i'm, we're about to go to the break and i don't want to cut off my netscape, so i'll ask you a follow up question. mom, it does go loudly who does the answer to that's, that's

a very good question, but i just think he answers to a host of different people. i think he answers to the, to avalon, he answers to western intelligence agencies. obviously, his interview with cnn shows a very strong relationship with the political establishment in the united states. cnn tried very hard to whitewash his crimes and to make him look like a, a moderate and even his clothes looks like the clothes with the landscape. it's a, it is the r squared powerful western elements in what he's doing. yeah. it's in the oh, yeah, i know. i noticed is a lensky garb and he trimmed his beard, but i doubt his ideas of change. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on serious stay with our to

the plus the see the silver. so the, somebody how can it be that um the ship to the middle east from a country whose top officials constantly complain about shortages of munitions and military equipments through a little boy, a bit of boss milk or even maybe a little in your system and below grade level, nominal facilities,

some of those other says we, i'm about the lazy student meals, so let us know, and we'll have an easy somebody remember bubble sort of wellness that will kind of get used to have him come in now. well, why are weapons from ukraine spreading over the world to, to this country and to a major arms hub, will continue to bolster ukraine's and forces by rushing them a capabilities that they need to defend their country. the everyone knows very well that we don't sell but known as pineapples or any kind of children's toys. we sell women's. yes, we're also known in the world as homes dealers that we must not be ashamed of that

the . the welcome across stock were all things are considered non peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing syria the okay, let's go back to layla and, and be what i'm going to be a little facetious here. so take it on board here. so the mantra was, the sod has to go, well he's gone. so does that mean the sanctions come to an end? does that mean the illegal occupation of the of american troops? the interior that's going to end because as odds gone, the precondition has been met. you can take it from there as well. uh,

i heard of the americans are going to sleep because we heard by the nice thing recently about cheese is going to keep the chips in the us with us basics of americans to keep the troops in the interior to make sure that the basically there's no what you call an explosion of the situation. at the end of the day, the whole thing was done for the americans to have the 3 bases in the region. looks like the russians have in syria and to control the resources for the students will see what kind of the benefits from, for example, it's andrew. some of the other things. however, the way, because it's, i mean the, at the end of the day, nobody has gone through it, see that it's going to go on to a black box. as professor natalie had said the correctly. so it's going to be a civil war. they are going to start them on each other. there's nobody who is going to sing and have a video and see if you have because they haven't agreed on a 2nd person. and, oh, i show it a i have to assume because the u. s. wants to maintain it,

maintain had gemini in the region. one ideal way of doing that would be actually setting up a curtis state. now that would mix up the works really seriously chaos on steroids, but i think they may do it. what are your thoughts? i don't think so because they've tried to any rockstead a few years ago and they did not support an independent state in christmas time. so having to be at p k. k version the serial version of the p k. k. establishing what is called the rose uh is not going to happen now because the rockies and the at that would not accept the good state. all the boulders and give you the wrong will not accept that. so it is not something that can happen. and america is not interested in leaving the area stop watching. the state means there is no point for them to stay in syria. however,

they want to stay because that says, these really not some of security and they want to keep control of all the syria and the private from its food basket and its energy. this is why they all the but somebody that be like all the more so that create a fictitious state called curtis that and the americans are there to protect that. i see your point here. mohammed, where does your ram stand and all of this because they are a, there's a lot of glee, a full talk in western capitals where, you know, it ran as separate as strategic to feed. so we can go on and on. of course, i do not go into the zip pick description that i, what kind of relationship that a ran had with syria. not necessarily with mr. a saw it here. how is it around looking at it and how is it looking forward? because it's got a mess on, it's on its borders in a, in a very, very big way. and there's also an intended headache, obviously created against around go head mohammed. hey,

ron obviously never wanted isis and i did to roll over syria. and that's exactly why you run got involved from the very beginning, if you recall iran or has the law or the other state didn't get involved in syria until 2013, 2 years after this all started and only after tens of thousands of foreign fighters that old had been brought into syria already. it was. ready then that they got involved. so for iran, this is a tragedy, and it is a major setback to say the least. however, while in the short run, it is a major setback. but in the long run, i think that the actually the size that are going to lose the most are countries like turkey, countries in the region, countries like saudi arabia. jordan list is going to cause instability because now these groups they are due for,

it may are drunk in their victory and they want to expand. and if to align e does not accept to move forward for greater conquests, then he will be targeted himself. yes, some of the 6 treatments are far worse than the likes of. giovanni and the economic burden for turkey is also going to be huge either turkey is going to have to put in or i todd is going to have to put in a lot of money for a very long period of time. or the situation is going to get worse as it is getting worse. and this is going to cause animosity friction to say the least, but also is going to be a security problem for turkey and an economic burden for the country. lately i saw you nodding your head as a professor. mirandi was speaking, why were you doing that? go ahead. the uh and the smart because i had an interview earlier this morning,

but then i have it. and i almost said the same thing and i agree with him with every on every single board, the kids. so remember when you are, you have for those who shared law borders with the country that's going to turn into another movie already. you know, that's the scent all you got to be a for seeing for syria at the moment. because we have seen this as the optical play happened before, especially when you have at the national affairs pushing the service on the ground . it is bound to have smoke. agents will automatically cause enough of the for somebody said, well, it's a trip before this go to other countries. and basically you try to enforce the agenda over there again. and then you have most of the most and brotherhoods, the most and brotherhoods on the side wanted to take over the game over here. they want to stick over the board and syria, but not only syria. they've had the demonstrations and in june of jordan. so we do expect the most and brother with being drunk going forward. we'll also try to make a move and jordan, the suicide bombers. but we still back in 2011, 20122013. they wouldn't go back to 13,

and then you're going to have that expect that agent remember also just running up on the. so that's in the agent. that's like going forward. he's going to go supposedly to dress and that means we're going to have it region of a situation by don't agents. if not, you're letting himself and if you refuse us, as the professor rather said he wouldn't be a target. and so, yeah, eliza, it's been mentioned here what happened in libya with the over through the conduct fee regime. and that is part of the historical record and it is being still played out to this day. we all know that precedent. was it intentional to do the same exact thing in syria? is that the intention chaos go ahead the produce? i did that to them and i mean is to add it to jets because we had it some of the of the few days in 11 days. everything happened in syria, everything changed. and now suddenly we have the americans talking,

the possibility of lifting the sanctions as long as you need this on the contest, seen what is right is doing. and they know, mentioning is that the enemy is only one that has black. therefore, for the moment we see d as a nato countries, as the main claire is he going to continue in control of the situation? is he going to control what they do? you have a list of different groups. he has many groups that beat on and find out played by good kids. i read the is he going to be able to make sure to direct everybody to 17 groups in whatever you want this to happen to judge? because what we have seen in the, the max execution is different from what we have seen in damascus or in other christian, an otherwise area. so it's to very confused the, the image updates this area. and so yeah,

and we haven't seen again the end of these really destruction and syria and advance ends here in the directory. so all that is very clear at the moment. what is this going to be another game? yes, it is going to be divided syria with this. yeah, this was thought i think that was done to the real skin from the very beginning when that with form as a jump. i didn't know so that as bob sinuses that then you want to tie down and then remain the same for you. but under different names and suddenly they say, now they all model, right. we haven't seen that. we haven't seen them the same. so the mother is in it lives since 2019 behaving any different from. yeah, the uh, setup fees. are these for free? be a yeah. so i don't think this is something is very clear now to say it is going to be likely be a always going to. yeah, bob. yeah, they say they are maybe,

but maybe the only difference is that the factions fighting in syria will be very well funded. ok, mohammad because i'd like to, i'd like to finish the program and on god's the they couldn't, the, the genocide continues there and we can't forget what's going on there. this is what the israelis want. and as, as linus will say, this was all worth it because of the victories they've had experiencing it against has belie, now syria, but they did the jet aside, can say it continues go ahead as well as i do believe that this really is, had a victory over hezbollah, although they have, has beloved, very hard, but the fact that has been law under very difficult circumstances was able to hold their territory and to prevent them from taking southern lebanon. and i think that was a victory. the defeat is here. and that, of course effects has blown up too, but you're absolutely correct. uh, this is very tragic, not only for the people in the casa who been forgotten. and we have to remember that miss as yvonne has been,

has been transporting baku oil chief polco l to israel for the last 14 months, he continues to have relations, political relations, intelligence senior intelligence officers go back and forth between the 2. so he is, he's, he's very much responsible for people forgetting because of what we shouldn't, we all have and when we look at and we won't forget and on that note all i can say to my wonderful gas to be continued. i want to thank my guest in brussels b route and until around. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. so you next time, remember, across the top of the the, the russian

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