of himself. so let's get off this mountain and explore this divine land has to offer the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm theater. lavelle, a terrorist state is in the making in the center of the middle east. and it's by design, indeed, a solid is gone, but so we, syria forest became change. has brought about stake failure. and we all know the obvious winners and losers, the

cross sucking siri. i'm joined by my guess mohammed mirandi until then he was a professor at the university of the around in bay route. we have layla hot at home . she is editor in chief of men and uncensored and in brussels. we crossed to a life man. yeah. he is a veteran war correspondent and political analysts or in cross lock rules in effect, that means he can jump any time you want, and i always appreciated. well, how many let me go to you 1st and turn on my introduction. i hope i didn't verge of hyperbole, but we have as a terrorist state being recognized by the west in its infancy. and as a result, we have a failed state. the civil war is back on. go ahead mohammed. yes, this dirty war has ultimately or fruits and uh the united states has been able to, along with mr. ad on and met in yahoo has been able to create a country controlled by okay to we have to

remember that giovanni was a deputy of a couple of act fast id, be headed vices when he was a stomach say to be rock. he was in charge of syria under the name of the most up front. and he was the head of out by the, in syria until that in a public relations act. he separated from al qaeda in the presence of apt senior, all kinds of figures. and they were nodding their heads. yes he's, he's no longer with us. so the united states has a past succeeded in, and now we're seeing the devastation we're seeing. there's riley is destroyed the infrastructure of the military infrastructure of the country. the security infrastructure was seeing the looting of the central bank were saying they, they were, they were saying that the syrian government kills people. murder as people takes people to prison. and i'm sure the syrian government was not a wonderful government, but uh,

they are not killing people on the streets. they're gunning down people in hospitals. they are accumulating people in public, they're hanging people. and they're also allowing the country to fall apart. and as these riley is advance on, damascus, they are doing nothing. no way. i mean it's, it's quite curious. we have western governments cheering on the change of power. so as mohammed is kind of pointing out, they don't like to go into detail about who these people are. i call them terrorists because that's what the us government calls them. and that's where the leader of this group, who they, they, they call them a territory. it's a $10000000.00 bounty on his head, but they don't use that to him. how can you explain that to us is real and turkey are continuing to bomb a country that has had received change. how. how does that make any sense? go ahead and be route as well. actually, it makes a lot of sense. if you look at that, some of this is perspective. you don't want the student army to continue to have

minutes or care, but it is. but at any point, when these lots sit those 3rd sections on the go start, start, think over color, be up and try to depart the country between themselves. we have isis, that's one hand us to ask you how much the us, i'm on the most and brotherhood and the people when they start starting along each other and each one once as part. you don't want the c a r means to have its cart capabilities spend the air force. it has to be able to defend one of them, at least. so this is what we saw. that is rate is to combine the infrastructure for the see the army to also prevented from the building. and so for the next few years, which means you would have explained the very weak stay next you with us divided among all of the service groups and nobody can stop them. for tech, it wants to create its own buffer zone. much like this really is 2 bucks from the side of a cdn, and it's wants to create the buffer zone, but takes a next more or less. we have multiple of the talk to sure what you quoted me

through basis and live and in other areas, including other for they have the ability wise. and they want to intervene, needs or start disrupt that they come to this, which is basically because the dk k, if you could get on the 1st time people mixing the base. uh they are also talking vis you another courses of them. and it until such as well then you just described my introduction, elijah, let me go to you in brussels. i mean, given what our to guess of already said, there is no syrian sovereignty here, there is no syrian government. i mean, there may be a new public government in damascus, but it's not governing. it's certainly not governing the country and, and, and to make things worse the, these outside powers, as i mentioned to us israel and turkey, want to make sure that there is no input structure for a state that used to be called syria. go ahead and brussels as well. they did not only destroy the infrastructure, there is nothing that syria can defend itself with today, these roommates are donates. 300. the task of syrian stored in the 48 hours

destroying everything that syria had because he right used to run the fact or weapons and money factor me size to in long range for medium, right? and there is quite a bit vast and they stick knology and we have seen the is really destroying everything. and the americans talking about observing the news here in the, the is, if they respect international roles, why he's right, he's annexing more territory and they've reached 25 kilometers south of damascus today. so we, we see that these really is advancing and we don't know where they are going to stop. what are the ultimate plan, but we know one thing that's here yet can nor know that defend it said. and he stared 3 alpha bravo. 81 can take it be so see it today. the only way that that

is only for entire domestic then in finding use. so that encouraging the syrians to, to keep the only what that they can find among them said. and we also have seen how the 17 groups that form the new really good shape. they have not thinking calling to really. and they are not expected to leave the country altogether under why leadership. and we have seen instruction giving and the behavior that is completely different. so we don't expect instability in syria. okay, i'm going to go back to mohammed and to then i'll, i'll to this program i, we're missing the words, democracy of freedom tolerance. i thought that's what the syrian revolution was all about, but we haven't heard it on this program yet. will we go ahead mohammed? i know there's, there's nothing linked to democracy. uh,

throughout this whole uh, 31, not that democracy was the facade from the very beginning. the wes call that all these terrace freedom fighters before people knew what isis actually was. they called them freedom fire fighters and they weren't telling them that this was kind of and you to guess made some very important points. um, sir, the syrian army of much of the equipment that was destroyed has nothing to do with the needs of this writing machine. this here now for us, is not capable of confronting this, right. the air force. there are elements within the syrian armed forces that would be dangerous to, to these really we seem like miss ald capability a, but they destroyed the air force, not because it was a threat to as well,

but for 2 reasons. one as uh, was previously correctly pointed out so that no one can control syrian so that no the central government cannot use their for us to bomb rabbits. but also, i think this was a stupid move by nothing yahoo! because nothing yahoo, for his own selfish interest, he's east bombing all these positions in syria. and all of this infrastructure to tell as riley's design is set up, look, i'm a powerful, i've defeated my enemies. that is, as a smart move, i suppose, among times. but what he has done is that he's exposed to the, the re, the new regime in damascus. they are not going to do anything about it as a exactly. they are not going to confront this way the machine and the vaughn, who was sorry, barking nonsense about palestine for years is now that now that he is

a border with this route, he is not going to do anything about it. he is, after it has pointed out, correctly, he is after this buffer zone is interested in the north, perhaps expanding the uh, his uh, his ottoman uh, around uh, insulins and even further. but he's not going to do anything for the policy and people. and actually what, you know, the americans and editing yeah. who did was in and sadly may delta severe blow to the resistance. yep. and turned a defeat for those ready the regime because in order for the israeli regime to declare victory, the other side has to be defeated. but they've turned to re defeats that there was already the resume, which has been delayed due to months, and which has fail to capture territory. and the north is failed to vanquish mazda in the south. and as long as your heart, they've turned that into

a victory for this very racing. okay, um i'm, we're about to go to the break and i don't want to cut off my desk. so i'll ask you a follow up question, mom and this go loudly. who does the answer to that's, that's a very good question, but i think he answers to a host of different people. i think he answers to the, to avalon, he answers to western intelligence agencies. obviously, his interview with cnn shows a very strong relationship with a political establishment in the united states. cnn tried very hard to whitewash his crimes and to make him look like a, a moderate and even his clothes looks like the clothes with the landscape. it's a, it is the r squared powerful western elements in what he's doing. yeah, it's in the oh yeah, i know, i notice is a wednesday garb and he trimmed his beard, but i doubt his ideas of change. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break,

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the welcome ex across stock, where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle remind you were discussing syria the ok. let's go back to layla in be what i'm going to be a little facetious here. so take it on board here. so the mantra was a sod has to go, well, he's gone. so does that mean the sanctions come to an end? does that mean the opt out illegal occupation of the of american troops? the interior that's going to end because as odds gone, the precondition has been met. you can take it from there. well, i heard of the americans are going to sleep because we heard by the thing recently, the t's is going to get the, the troops in the us with us basics of a very complicated and that's what's in the interior to make sure that the

basically there's no, what you quoted an explosion of the situation at the end of the day, the whole thing was done for the americans to have the 3 bases in the region. much like the russians have in syria and to control the resources for the students to see what kind of the benefits from, for example, it's andrew. some of the other things. however, the way, because it's, i mean the, at the end of the day, nobody's going to see that it's going to go on to a blood bus. as professor natalie had said the correctly. so it's going to be a civil war. they are going to put them on each other. there's nobody was going to think of having to go and see if you have because they haven't agreed on a certain person. and, oh, i show it a, i have to assume because the u. s. wants to maintain it, maintain had gemini in the region. one ideal way of doing that would be actually setting up a curtis state. now that would mix up the works really seriously chaos on steroids, but i think they may do it. what are your thoughts?

i don't think so because they've tried to any rocks a few years ago and they did not support an independent state in christmas time. so having to be at p k. k the to serial version of the p k. k. establishing what is called the road is not going to happen now because the rockies and the at that would not accept the good state all the folders and give you the wrong will not accept that. so it is not something that can happen, and america is not interested in leaving the area stop pushing. the state means there is no point for them to stay in syria. however, they want to stay because that says the, he's really not some of the security and they want to keep control of the syria and the private from its food basket and its energy. this is why they all the but

somebody that be like all the more so that create a fictitious state called curtis that and the americans are there to protect that. i see your point here, mohammed um, where does your ram stand and all of this because they are a, there's a lot of glee, a full talk in western capitals where, you know, it ran as separate as strategic to feed. so we can go on and on. of course i do not go into the a step pick description that i, what kind of relationship that a ran had with syria. not necessarily with mr. a saw it here. how is it around looking at it and how is it looking forward because it's got a mess on. it's on its borders in a, in a very, very big way. and there's also an intended headache, obviously created against the around go ahead mohammed. hey, ron obviously never wanted isis and i will find it to roll over syria. and that's exactly why you run got involved from the very beginning. if you recall iran or has

the law or the other state didn't get involved in syria until 2013, 2 years after this all started and only after tens of thousands of foreign fighters that old had been brought into syria already. it was. ready then that they got involved. so for a run this is a tragedy, and it is a major setback to say the least. however, while in the short run, it is a major setback. but in the long run, i think that the actually the size that are going to lose the most are countries like turkey, countries in the region, countries like saudi arabia. jordan, this is going to cause instability because now these groups, they are due for it. they are drunk in their victory and they want to expand. and if to allow me, does not accept to move forward for a greater conquest, then he will be targeted himself. yes,

some of these extremes are far worse than the likes of jo i me and the economic burden for turkey is also going to be huge either turkey is going to have to put in, or i tat is going to have to put in a lot of money for a very long period of time, or the situation is going to get worse as it is getting worse. and this is going to cause animosity friction to say the least, but also is going to be a security problem for turkey and an economic burden for the country. lately, i saw you nodding your head as a professor. mirandi was speaking, why were you doing that? go ahead at the end of this month because i had an interview earlier this morning, but then i read and i almost said the same thing and i agree with him with every on every single board, the kids. so remember when you are, you have folders, you should log borders with a country that's going to turn into another leave you already, you know, that's the same value that we have for seeing for syria at the moment. because we

have seen this as the optical play happened before, especially when you have international affairs pushing the service on the ground. it is bound to have smoke. agents automatically cause enough of the for somebody said, well, it's a trip before this call to other countries. and basically you talk to, of course, the agenda over there again. and then you have also the most and brotherhood the most and brotherhoods on the side wanted to take over. they were supposed to got the game over here. they want to take over the phone and syria, but not only syria. they've had the demonstrations and in june of jordan, so we don't expect the most and brother with being drunk going forward. we'll also try to make a move and jordan the suicide bombers. but we still back in 2011, 20122013. they wouldn't go back to turkey, and then you're going to have that expect that age. and remember also just learning up on the, to the level of the agent. that's like going forward, he's going to go supposedly to dress and that means we're going to have it region of a situation. but i don't agents,

it's not your learning and stuff. and if you're, if you're just as a professor, randy said he wouldn't be a target. and so, yeah, eliza, well, it's been mentioned here what happened in libya with the over through the conduct fee regime. and that is part of the historical record and it is being still played out to this day. we all know that precedent, was it intentional to do the same exact thing in syria? is that the intention chaos go ahead? the produce? i did the development. i mean is to add it to jets because we had to be a few days in 11 days. everything happened in syria, everything changed. and now suddenly we have the american stopping the possibility of lifting the sanctions as long as you need those on know, contesting what is right is doing and they know mentioning his right the enemy's only iran has black. therefore, for the moment we see d as a nato countries,

as the main claire is he going to continue in control of the situation? is he going to control what they do? have a list of different groups. he has many looked at the dogs and find out played bob good kids are ready. is he going to be able to make sure to direct everybody to 17 groups in whatever you want this to happen to judge? because what we have seen in the, the max execution is different from what we have seen and devices or in other christian and otherwise everywhere. so it's to very confused the, the image updates this area. so yeah, and we haven't seen again the end of these really destruction in syria and advanced in see are in dire tree. so all that is of a play at the moment. what is this going to be another?

libya it is going to be divided syria with this? yeah, this was thought, i think that with the, the real skin from the very beginning when that way of form as a jump, i can use that as bob sinuses that then you want to tie them and then remain the same that for you. but under different names and suddenly they say, now they all model, right. we haven't seen that. we haven't seen them the same. so the mother is in it lives since 2019 behaving any different from. yeah, the uh, setup fees. are these free b a, b a? so i don't think this is something is very clear now to say it is going to be likely be a always going to. yeah, bob. yeah, they say they are maybe, but maybe the only difference is that the factions fighting in syria will be very well funded. ok, mohammed was, i'd like to, i'd like to finish the program on, on god's a. they couldn't the, the genocide continues there. and we can't forget what's going on there. this is

what the israelis want. and as, as linus will say, this was all worth it because of the victories they've had experiencing it against has belie. now syria, but they did the jet aside, can say it continues go ahead as well as i don't believe that this really is had a victory over hezbollah, although they say it has beloved, very hard. but the fact that has been law under very difficult circumstances was able to hold their territory and to prevent them from taking southern lebanon. and i think that was a victory. the defeat is here, and that of course effects has, will not to but to your you're absolutely correct. uh, this is very tragic not only for the people of casa who been forgotten, and we have to remember that miss as yvonne has been, has been transporting baku oil chief polco royalty as well. for the last 14 months, he continues to have relations, political relations, intelligence senior intelligence officers go back and forth between the 2. so he is,

he's, he's very much responsible for people forgetting because of what we shouldn't, we all have. and when we look at and we won't forget and on that note all i can say to my wonderful gas to be continued, i want to thank my guest in brussels, a route, and until around. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. so you next time remember prospect the, the, the solvent us, the somebody. how can it be that um the ship to the middle east from a country whose top officials constantly complain about shortages of munitions and military equipments. destroyed low paying the boy, but a passing low green and moody elbow in your system and below grade level nominal

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