the, the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm theater level . for all intents and purposes, syria now ceases to be a sovereign state. it is in the process of being partitioned. a new international proxy war has been ignited in the region with no terrorist and power when states disappear. so do people the

cross, 2nd serial and joined by my guess, stanley cohen in new york. he is a human rights lawyer also in new york. if a chief cross out, he is a former advisor to the middle east, peace and boy, and a political strategist and in lake jackson, we cross who daniel mcadams. he's the executive director of the realm, paul institute for peace and prosperity. gentlemen, cross sack rolls and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, daniel, i'd like to go to you 1st because i need your help in understanding what's going on in syria because, you know, i been, i'm in the news business, it's my job to follow what people are saying. and i'm coming across these kind of strange narratives, like, for instance, the 1st one, syria's been liberated by brave freedom fighters. okay. it's one narrative. but all long sighted israel obviously needs to invade syria because the country has been invaded by dangerous terrace. i don't see how those 2 can coincide, and then there's a 3rd one. evil terrorists are not evil terrorists anymore. they are actually are

friends and willing to work with the west. do you have your a written narrative or do you have another one for me? well, here's another one for you. israel was israel was somehow able to bomb the hell out of syria, knocking out every single tank and gun without killing a civilian. you haven't cause it can't bomb a single factory without the bombing of 10 hospitals and killing a 100, you know, individuals. so somehow there is a, there must be better targeting answer isn't there isn't gaza or 11 on. but the whole thing is a far as we saw it about a week before the take over, we saw the sea and intuitively assuming its role as an adjunct of the c. i a and white washing and blow drying these terrorist even hold up in a blood and turn them into wonderful freedom fighters, giving them a shape regard. good bar jacket. i add a uh, fidel castro, a beard, and boom, you're off to the races. here we go. and not someone else to cheer a new flag to raise a new flag to wave. and the american congress, of course, is screening for sanctions to be lifted and more money to be sent. it's really

quite amazing stanley because you know, this program which i've, we've been following the, the proxy war, the dirty proxy war and syria from the it's very beginning in 2011 and will, is on this program and the guest that had been been here, we've always worried about the black flag being flown over the mask as that is the case right now with the, the irony is there waiving the cologne, the british colonial flag for syria. so yeah, another layer of absurdity here. is that the choice? i mean this out, the west is chosen to side with terrace over and authoritarian regime, which of course, that's what a solid was go ahead. sadly. well, israel's notion of the, from, from the river to see is increasingly the, the hudson river and to the atlantic ocean. and the united states is the difference between freedom fighter and terrorist and the global mores. and in the west is who went this from day one has been part of the orchestrated efforts by israel,

the top of syria. it's tough 11 on uh, to destroy completely eradicate um, uh, palestine and young. and there's just part of a grand effort that goes back and look, i'm not going to minimize the right, just participants in the ad spring 20 years ago, or 18 years ago. whatever. there were lots of young women is mad and stood up and said, we're not gonna, we're not going to bend over to western prophecies anymore. yet over the years, the west of proxies have just said, you know, let's just take it ourselves. and now we have the grand example of israel, the united states, the west stepping up and say, syria, you don't exist anymore. you are now part of the greater is really a buyer. and he is real. the name of saving people will drop 60700000 pounds of bond is correct. it's much more targeted because the purpose is different, gods, or wants that they wish to level to completely destroy and syria they wish to just take control of that little one was

a blessing of job. i'm in the united states. what you see on folding in front of us is making a mistake about is, is, is the screen has been removed and the west towards proxy israel as now said, we own you were taking you were coming for you while the west of the world produces this through, oh, they're rescuing millions of syrian some quote unquote guitars, people that to large degree have been funded by the west have been supported by the west move engaged in service activities for the longest period of time. and that's unfolding while cnn m. s. and be, say another main stream media chair and say, oh, it's the freedom fighters, the as well as any of our records. yeah, because i changed if i go to you in new york, i mean, you know, this, this, this term designating someone a terrorist. so i, me, i suppose now given 911 of the global war on terrorism, the, the, the designation and terrorist is not behavioral, it's political, right? right. i mean, that we uh pick and choose who we want to be terrace,

depending on the weather. they support the united states interest. so now, you know, i've long since working them at least assemblies, office alone advocated the how much shouldn't be a service organization visible? i shouldn't be a service organization on demands. and he, jonathan powell, it's that a good friday. we negotiate the good friday agreement. so the, the u. k was to agree is that these people sign for their room territory. so we defining them as terrorist is just doing our political gains. now these guys, they are a group of, uh, idealogues who want to tear uh, do you want to create some, some form of exotic state over syria and a willing to take american money to go to they there. and the definition of what we would think us error as best you know, as long as they help the west interest, we're going to let them run right. get on a state that's thousands of years or better is um, you know, go more history and most of europe end, you know more and, you know, i, the other thing it frightens me with this is guys taking back on your other

colleagues. points is this like stick over and over again. you know, this is, this is the west coming up in england, say, no lightning thing when they were colonizing the middle east and the rest of the world or how they see fit. you know, they're going to get parts of it to israel that is relevant and we'll take care of a given the terrorist a little bit of a region. so they feel like they have their room stay intact. he's taking a bit and that's all you know, and then they're going to do this full under the guise of freedom. right. and hasn't everyone that often causal ready that you call and trust the western media on the narrative. just spend 14 months listening to them tell this is rose, defending it. so when the young in america had to go to take talking instagram, to find that wait, hold on. there's a genocide happening right when people are working while they're much because they've seen the images themselves, you come and see them. and we're sitting there watching these images and some people and gone backwards and decided ways cnn showing us freedom. it must be true . it since it's a, it's a joke and then you've got johnny, i think your colleague pointed out, you know, he's standing there in

a what could be in his radio tag, his uniform and his hat, charles, blah, from taki, all dressed up like visitor lensky. and they gave him an interview on c n, and this is a guy who's on the once it was this guy's on the watch list. they didn't give an interview to send y, a hernia to justify their actions of resistance when they should have been at least tanya, who was the political spokesman of i'm a student and never got those moments on an american national network. they've done everything they can to create a propaganda channel and the narrative that they will see fit to divide the palestinian movement. that's the key here. yep. i just wanted to invite people who are from other middle east and background. so our, as our countries do what you know to your point, freedom for those other people's whether be to siri and other regions to pull off the palestinian bandwagon is focused on their arm issues yet, but they're not even ashamed of their hobb park, racine, that's what i find really quite fascinating, you know, daniel, if it, at some point in time, i mean,

obviously i started out rather facetiously with these absurd narratives that are in circulation. but we, there is a zionist agenda, american head gemini, agenda, and a new ottoman agend. i mean, they're bidding or not, these are not going to work. this whole thing isn't going to work out very well. daniel quotes and was a confluence of interest that causes one policy action. you know, in this case they're, they're, they're diverse. and for us that as you say, cannot work together, it's impossible. but you know, what's, what's disturbing peter, you know, for at least for me is that i've was, i've been wrong about sir. we're getting, i should've known better. but you know, all of these years where i thought after they had had the district cream and we had everything sort of bottled up in it lab that there was some piece, you know, we, we saw some, you know, some good signs on the ground. but all the while the us itself was hollowing out the country, you know, the seas are active of 2018, which completely in store the economy stealing all the oil, stealing while the wheat. i thought that was a side joint. in fact,

it was the central piece and all the while you have this cancer, this growing and getting stronger, and it would live in all of a sudden with a bite and foreign policy having 4 and 4 years of absolute disaster. they were, they feel that somehow this is going to be their crowning achievement. they screwed up, everything else they've touched. and so what do they do? they strike the root, knock out the cancer, and this cancer spread throughout the entire country, which i didn't realize the extent to which had been completely hollowed out. and i don't know if this is true, but i saw a chart yesterday saying that in a syrian era army soldier made about $5.00 a man. whereas an aged spider made about 2000 dollars month. i wonder who's paying those $2000.00 a month? yep. absolutely, you know, stanley, i said in my introduction them when states so you can disappear. so do people again, i've never been. this program is never been this that the celebration that work is never been a cheerleader for assad. he's gone good residents as far as i'm concerned, but minorities did continue to exist maybe harshly. but i don't see that happening

right now, and live is already been brought up, the president of it would be even western media, the bbc deutsch avella reported on the oppressive nature of a live. now we're going to get that written large stanley or so what, what we're going to say is there's the i c j repeat read. that's going to come out again. we're going to see what lots of righteous indignation, lots of claims, lots of allegations about about what is real is doing what the united states is going, what questions kind of words are doing? what so called as long as tyrus are doing. and meanwhile, you're going to see millions of people spell it out. and united nations will hoffman buffering rather than screaming you out with right, his indignation of selling for immediate cease fire, spoiling for just this. we just wait for united nations to have to send another 200000. so for peacekeepers in the heart of serious to control who can go where, who can go when the name of peace. but meanwhile it's, it's, it's always been and will continue to be the name, protecting westman interest. and the name of protecting is really in 1st and the

name to protect and the global north under it's, it's excuses after excuses, excuse what is what is really pay me the last few days. you're seeing millions, right? well, hundreds of 1000, just not millions of syria and returning to the country, people on the ground cheering, hoping for the best. wishing for the best, expecting the best. and we know what awaits and meanwhile, every day is real is doing a new bomb. and you're on every day in the united states is sending more rockets in every day. they, they the, the aspirations of millions of people who lived in a, they ask for up or 20 years and out, day by day with some fumbling around, sadly hold that thought. because we, we have trip, we have libya all over again except for on steroids. gentlemen. i'm going to jump in here, we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on serious stay with r t. the

show seemed rom. just don't have to shape house the constant and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will support, we choose to look for common ground, the to take a fresh look around as a life kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by powell of tired vision with no real live indians fixtures designed to simplify. it will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just as it shows you, fractured images, presented as fast?

can you see through their illusion going underground can know better places is a village in the sun? those beautiful features is purely anarchist in the sense that there are no authorities within the city. everyone is their own citizens. half the people are here because then the rest to go and the other half here because they loved the place and is nowhere else. they rather be than here, but i don't, it's hard wonder, explain. you just have to experience labs. and by doing that, you have to live here the dish i have right here in lagrange. this is one of the dining halls. it was a mess all for you. know, soldiers boot place, you know, several 100 people have passed through here either under way, somewhere else or provide safe space to abuse women and to elderly people to mention the people who addicts to children. you know, some cardboard checks,

you know? but cardboard shack is real comfy if you've just been sleeping under. one of the basic rules isn't sylvia. and if you ground, they'll find out the the welcome, ect. across stock were all things are considered non peter roosevelt you mind you were discussing syria? the . okay, let's go back to a she's in new york and i tend to be a pessimistic pessimist when it comes to these things here. the lightning speed in which this happened in syria for reasons that we have all the already talked about . i do worry that there's

a new offensive can be started in lebanon. um and actually in rack as well. i think this lightning speed events is going to be much longer. and, and daniel has already brought, brought it up at the, by the ministration. quite literally wants to leave with a bang. go ahead in new york. a. yeah, the con, separate what's going on in syria with what they've been doing for the last 14 months in gauze, the west bank all this time. you know, this is business to buy the ministration, trying to wrap up, frankly, as much as they can because the uncertainty of what could come next to trump and they don't know what his agenda whenever he said how, but they still just don't know. so they accept a ration of this was definitely deliberate on the bite and they wanted they didn't know what his position on his side would be. with some of the people he's picked in security positions. so they wanted to expedite this as quick as possible and remove the aside and create an environment, the israel to continue its aggression in the region. right. you cause separate any violence in the middle east from the 76. yes. the israel has existed in the region

and what they're trying to do is to around 11 on the, to the biggest strength is rather since by like at least the direct conflicts, right. and they're trying to surround, let them on. so they can actually take is blah blah from all sides. and that's why the ending is the israel. continuous land grab is going to go from the next $6.00 to $7.00 times the size of golf. and they've taken already from syria. they bones were 200 to 400 strikes across the steering, i guess, because the searing countries stands base taken out all the defenses. whole that made it to capabilities, the navy there um the air force or leaving syrians to pass. and also by the way, there's going to be a future syrian government, whatever it looks like, whether it's uh these guys here or the people they gonna defend stuff against any. is there any right hush and well spent the last, the week, effectively dismantling all this defensive capabilities. against that, i remember is theory and people have the right to defend themselves and not just israel claims that right, right now is read is breaking silver and territory to take that and, and will say, just estimate the infrastructure now is where i,

i think the united states is helping is russ around lebanon, so they can say kit is one of the major chess pieces of the board and his beloved, and hopefully finally take them out from that perspective. now the reason is the last so pivotal is you know, it is, i believe that the a, there's a lot and the math and this point of finding effectively for the survival of what we think is, uh, you know, all right, because if this, if this way of a behavior, the israel is putting out the united states supports the gas. i remember seeing globally, this is going to be on your normal where the us and israel of the us can go is any country decimated gas. ly s and pretend that they're giving people freedom, they'll protecting their country or defending an ally. and the reason, the reason his loss and pull and know how most important right now is they are holding a way of, of a new normal back by continuing to fight against israel and continue to fight against the united states. because there's frankly, a direct war at this point. so it taking throughout. so payments sold to them so

they can surround here's the lots of take. yeah, i think one of the most what you've seen, the direct conflict is a lot of the real on a israel. nobody knows how to bone people and civilians and human beings from the sky when they had direct conflict in southern lebanon. israel was getting as off handed to it and the reality is they needed a new move to try and take his blow out because they were getting destiny. i think there's also like 60 megabyte tanks on the grounds. they lost a thousands of troops. lots of people and the way the looking at it, you could see lots of people were appointed hospitals with uh, amputations, lots of other serious uh, military ending injuries. and while these ro isn't reporting it, stay as you can see, there's a lot of damage being done. they need to cease 5 to recalibrate with the united states to take out one of the biggest threats to them in the region. straightened up, frankly, was protecting our people across the region. and what you're going to see is there's going to be resistance in the end coming up in syria from siri. and people

wants to duff cells because they're not going to accept this new minutes in the regime that's going to be put in by head. why didn't i buy something like the long way to essentially know make that? and then the next step is randy occupation on where that is. that's the most important. that's exactly where i want to go. yeah, daniel, this will be a new occupation. and oh, in the meantime everyone that is real is going to wrap up the west bank if you know what i mean. okay. but serious is there any it doesn't exist as a state. it's, it's, it's, it's been partition. we don't know the lines right now. i don't know how the the, the americans and their curtis allies are going to do with their to one. um, but all i know for sure, daniel, is this going to be a lot of chaos. it's gonna last a long time and it's going to be very violent. daniel, a lot of the us just pretty good a chaos humans. yeah. that'd be earlier. we see how that's worked out and they don't care. i mean, in a sense, the h t s, as an after thought, i mean they're, they're a convenient uh, a tool. but i mean, i think i'm, you know, the real action was right after they run least,

as i call the said here was the destruction of any ability of syria to defend itself. mean, i think that's the real action here, and it's such a great point. i don't think it's a coincidence didn't happen right. when the so called cease fire was signed, they had to get rid of the supply lines and make sure that has the law could not be supplied. and they did simply destroyed syria completely. you know, the notion of gas lighting isn't, is a very important point, and i'm glad my colleague brought it up because that's exactly what's happening with the united states in the us house of representatives. you have the feelings, like representative joe wilson, who all the years i was on in the house as a staff or he would go down and make floor statements. and every single floor statement every single day was we will never forget 911. well, who did not 11 joe, but it was all kind of, he's running syria. joe was higher and he's the one now calling for an in the all sections. again, syria now that l card is in control. this is the level of intellect, of people who run for the united states in our us congress and the white house.

stanley, obviously israel, the united states and their allies feel very much in bold. and i mean there, they are there and they're busy with success. the use the phrase here, um, i do worry that there's a hubris is going to kick in. and of course we have a ran on the agenda. it's always been on the agenda and looking at the foreign policy, quote unquote expertise around trump. i worry that they even, and a greater expansion of this, maybe because they'll, they'll, there's going to be the perception or ran is weak or solid. was weak around is weak . that does, that's uh, that's going to be a very dangerous equation. stanley. well, the notion that we've had to destroy the village to say that, yeah, is that the, the heartbeat of the united states, you know, we were club, you know, what is the history of united states? what, what, what, what, what my colleagues have said, which is directly on point, is israel rides in the midst of may, it creates, excuse, said create pre types the,

the flaps. it justifies the most for risk of attacks throughout the region. this is all about designing, disabling, and removing from the agenda, the resistance against the really occupation not there's in palestine, but the destruction and guys are turning the west bank and gaza guys into the west bank. but this is about the river to the sea, expanding 3456 times. why does it any rhetoric with anyone and conquer? this is about the united states and israel of the adults who are the effort here is to re, may have it is to dislike, disable, disarm and to defuse any resistance to, to, as my colleagues pointed out, as well. at this point is the greatest concern for is real united states and the region for the longest period of time. it has been the greatest supporter of self determination, independence and freedom of arabs against what i called musical lawrence of arabia increasingly now to the contest from brooklyn. so yeah,

got is absolutely right every why they will arrive in the midst of may have web and serial palestine yet and everywhere it produces the pre tax. and who knows what the truck administration's kind of go with the apologise that are coming in for may. i'm saying, well, what we care about is our cell, whatever is in our own best interest, and i'm not distinguishing it from the democrats, but then now i have the pretext to do anything and everything they with in order to safe side their own self interest. because it's the end and the out there is those arrows, it shows as long as even if there were those types of problems, the reality of it is the us as long. no, yes, benefit has been may have the region. and israel is the ultimate winner of this particular battle, the disarming the attacks, the uses, the rationality and powers and nothing yahoo. meanwhile, he goes to court room. it says i'm busy, i've got to go kill 10000 feet that. yep. i say is if we go back to your new york, i mean, or that would trump name's already been mentioned, your drum said in

a very long convoluted. i don't know if the or they called true it's uh like tweets anyway. um, uh with um from so serious about our fight, even though we just bought it. i mean, this is, this is not a good foreboding here. go ahead. yeah, i think the interesting thing was electronic is it's just unpredictable. right? so i don't think there's any predict and that's why i think by and again just by for last month by made this move. now dell, what heaping securing is. rails again the, the american agenda are in the region because he just doesn't know what trump is going to do. i'm lucky surrounded himself by with sinus of course the surrounding himself with people who will get it, who i'm hearing and the ronnie are and, and the bring the arabs, whatever. but the reality is that he's so unpredictable. and this is going to be a sofa style government, no matter who appointments in any department, every decision is going to come from his got hit from the white house, whether it be on energy, foreign policy, whatever everything's going to come through him and his,

his advisors in the white house, and that seems to keep an eye on right. now miriam handles and his biggest donors both have the cabinet. she wanted with a 100000000 donation. she wants to westbank context. it's already being added. all of us here know that it's been on it since obama, the, you know, no one started by never condemned it from his best time. is going to that. even like i said, the got to go on. the heights are officially as rails, you know, you broke ground in a term hotel. you know. no. the american president has started. the antics in quite in the old that going to do is full of the attics. it in the eyes, the well and the good news is i would say there was an interesting good thing that could come from that by doing that, he's going to stabilize so many people's political position on homicide. only europe will that lead is telling the fact that the keeps think that populations like he guy so i can get populations. we believe in 2 states. we believe in 2 states. you know, we hope this comes through it. and so we can get pricing, is that what if america who owns most of your effectively politically, um says, well,

there's no 2 states what us to stall are going to do macro on going to do or child living, jeremy going to do what are they going to do with supplying the already lose last most, that domestic population who are pre existing weekly, daily, frankly, some states, what are they going to do at that point? they're gonna have to go against their american sponsor on this? yeah, it looks like they do it against being really bo, over syria. but the fact is population is deeply pro palestinian and it's trump takes away the possibility of 2 states. was that cartridge? so i say i was the you're and you're assuming that democracy has any role in western, you know, as soon as certain color degrees because it doesn't anymore. i agree with you 100 percent, but it's not going to trickle up to a leads. and unfortunately on this very contentious issue we've run out of time, i want to thank my guess and make jackson and in new york. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our d. c. and next time, remember across the rules,

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