3 assets this as the defense minister is we have cause has even ordered the creation of a sterile defense zone in southern syria. now it's not just as long and regional countries that i've condemned these measures and actions by israel. the united nations has also censured this as a breach of international law justin in recent days in syria and destruction of the syrian air force when they're on north pilots. because syria has no functioning government or military that can fly those planes at the moment. there is absolutely no basis on the international law or to preventively or preemptively disarm a country. you don't like. i mean, if that were the case, it would be a recipe. 5 global chaos because lots of countries have groceries they would like to see that without without weapons. and this is, this is completely lost that there is absolutely no basis in an international law or to do. and so what we're really here trying to concourse, syria, yvonne,

or as well, of course. so if we were here at your wants comments in the past days, yvonne has maintained that it's been present in syria all these years on the syrian government's request to tackled terrorism. in the country, but fast forward to the present with h t us whooping in, and the suing army, putting off the minimum for assistance. i guess the as t as a wrong could not just dive into the ring on its own. they've made it clear they're ready to back, anyone going toted, so would as well. but only of course, if they are asked to do so for the israel's case, what's permission has been thoughts before it's military actions and syria? now, with all the mixed signals between his words and actions, it's hard to say if babies message really landed with the iranian craft right next on cross talk, folding lawn from a story we're delving into the program earlier teacher. and guess russel with the

question is syria disappearing? that's right ahead here. 247. the the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i am peter lavelle for all intents and purposes, syria now ceases to be a sovereign state. it is in the process of being partition. a new international proxy war has been ignited in the region with no terrace and power. when states disappear. so do people

the cross, 2nd serial and joined by my guess, stanley cohen in new york. he is a human rights lawyer also in new york, if a chief price out, he is a former advisor to the middle east peace and boy, and a political strategist. and in lake jackson, we cross who daniel mcadams. he's the executive director of the wrong paul institute for peace and prosperity. gentlemen, cross stock rolls and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, daniel, i'd like to go to you 1st because i need your help in understanding what's going on in syria because, you know, i been, i'm in the news business, it's my job to follow what people are saying. and i'm coming across these kind of strange narratives, like, for instance, the 1st one, syria has been liberated by brave freedom fighters. okay. it's one narrative. but all long sighted israel obviously needs to invade syria because the country has been invaded by dangerous terrace. i don't see how those 2 can coincide,

and then there's a 3rd one. you will terrorists are not able terrorist anymore. they are actually are friends and willing to work with the west. do you have your favorite narrative or do you have another one for me? well, here's another one for you. israel was israel was somehow able to bomb the hell out of syria, knocking out every go tank and gun without killing a civilian. you haven't cause it can't bomb a single factory without the bombing of 10 hospitals and killing a 100, you know, individuals. so somehow there's a, there must be better targeting answer isn't there isn't garza or 11 on. but the of the whole thing is a far as we saw it about a week before the take over, we saw the sea and intuitively assuming its role as an adjunct of the c. i a and white washing and blow drying these terrorist event hold up in a blood and turn them into wonderful freedom fighters, giving them a shape regard. good bar jacket. i add a uh, fidel castro, a beard, and boom, you're off to the races. here we go. and not someone else to cheer

a new flag to raise a new flag to wave. and the american congress, of course, is screening for sanctions to be lifted and more money to be sent. it's really quite amazing stanley because you know, this program which i've, we've been following the, the proxy war, the dirty proxy war in syria from the very beginning and 2011 and will, is on this program and the guests that have been been here. we've always worried about the black flag being flown over damascus. that is the case right now with the the iron is, has been there waving the cologne, the british colonial flag for syria. so yeah, another layer of absurdity here. is that the choice? i mean this out, the west is chosen to side with terrace over and authoritarian regime, which of course that's what it's called was go ahead sadly. well, israel's notion of the, from, from the river to see is increasingly the, the hudson river and to the atlantic ocean of the united states is the difference

between freedom fighter and terrorist and the global noise. and in the west is who went on this from day one has been part of the orchestrated effort quite usually of the top of syria. it's top 11 on a to destroy completely eradicate of palestine and young. and this is part of a grand effort that goes back and look, i'm not going to minimize the rights as participants and the ard spring, 20 years ago, or 18 years ago, whatever. there were lots of young women is mad, who stood up and said, we're not gonna, we're not going to bend over to western prophecies anymore yet over the years. the western proxies have just said, you know, let's just take it ourselves. and now we have the grand example of israel, the united states, the west stepping up and say, syria, you don't exist anymore, you're now part of the greater is really a buyer and use really name of saving. people will drop 60700000 pounds of bond is correct. it's much more targeted because the purpose is different. garza wants

that they, they wish to levels are completely destroyed in syria. they wish to just take control up and along with the blessing of job, i'm in united states. what we see unfolding in front of us is making a mistake about is, is, is the spray that's been removed and the west towards proxy israel. as now said, we own you were taking you were coming for you while the west of the world producers this through. oh, they're rescuing millions of syria and some quote unquote guitars people that to a large degree have been funded by the west of and supported by the west. move engaged in service activities for the longest period of time. and that's on folding while cnn m. s. and be, say another main stream media chair and say, oh, it's the freedom fighters, the as well as any of our it's, yeah, because i say you see, if i go to you in new york, i mean, you know, this, this, this term designating someone a terrorist i mean, i suppose now given 911 of the global war on terrorism, the, the,

the designation and terrorist is not behavioral, it's political, right? right. i mean that we uh pick and choose who we want to be terrace, depending on the weather. they support the united states interest. so now, you know, i've long since working them at least assemblies, office of long advocated the most shouldn't be of service organization visible. i shouldn't be of service organization. fundamentally, jonathan powell, it's that a good friday. we negotiated a good friday agreement. the, the u. k. was to agree is that these people sign for their own territory. so we define them as terrorist is just through our political gains. now, these guys, they are a group of, uh, idealogues who want to tear. uh, do you want to increase them some form of is onyx, they over syria and they're willing to take american money to go do it. they, they're in the definition of what we would think us error as best you know, as long as they help the west interest, we're going to let them run right. get on a state that's thousands of years or better is um, you know,

got more history and most of europe end, you know more and, you know, i, the other thing it frightens me with this is guys taken back on you other college clients. it's just like stick over and over again. you know, this is, this is the west coming up in england, say that lightning thing when they were colonizing the middle east and the rest of the world or how they see fit. you know, they're going to give talks of it to israel. that is relevant. and we'll take care of a given the terrorist a little bit of a region so they feel like they have their room stay intact. he's taking a bit and that's all you know. and then they're going to do this full under the guise of freedom, right. and hasn't everyone that often causal ready that you can trust the western media on the narrative. just spend 14 months listening to them. so this is rose, defending it. so when the young in america had to go to tech talking instagram, to find that wait, hold on. there's a genocide happening right. when people are the wilder, much because they've seen the images themselves, you come and see them. and we're sitting there watching. you're going to just in

some people and gone backwards and decided ways cnn showing us freedom. it must be true. it's, since it's a, it's a joke. and then you've got johnny, i think you're probably pointed out, you know, he's standing there in a what could be in his radio tag, just uniform in his head, charles, blah, from taki. all dressed up like business wednesday. and they gave them an interview on cnn. this is a guy who's on the wanted. what this guy's on the watch list, they didn't give an interview to send. why? well, honey a to justify their actions of resistance. when they should have been at least tanya, who was the political spokesman of i'm a student and never got those moments on an american national network. they've done everything they can to create a propaganda channel and the narrative that they will see fit to divide the palestinian movement. that's the key here. yep. i just wanted to invite people who are from other middle east and background. so our, as our countries do what you know to your point, freedom for those other people's whether be to siri and other regions to hold off. the palestinian bandwagon is focused on their arm issues yet,

but they're not even ashamed of their hub, pock racine. that's what i find really quite fascinating. you know, daniel, if it, at some point in time, i mean, obviously i started out rather facetiously with these absurd narratives that are in circulation. but we, there is a zionist agenda, american head gemini, agenda, and a new ottoman agenda. i mean, they're bidding or not, these are not going to work. this whole thing isn't going to work out very well. daniel, a quote, it's always a confluence of interest that causes one policy action. you know, in this case they're, they're, they're diverse and for us to, as you say, cannot work together. it's impossible. but you know, what's, what's disturbing a peter, you know, for, at least for me is that i've was, i've been wrong about surgery and i should've known better. but you know, all of these years where i thought after they had had the disagreement, we had everything sort of bottled up in it live. that there was some piece, you know, we, we saw some, uh, you know, some good signs on the ground. but all the while the us itself was hollowing out

the country, you know, the seas are active of 2018, which completely in store the economy stealing all the oil, stealing while the wheat. i thought that was a side joint. in fact, it was a central piece and all the while you have this cancer, this growing and getting stronger and it would live in all of a sudden with a bite and foreign policy having for 4 years of absolute disaster, they re, they feel that somehow this is going to be their crowning achievement. they screwed up, everything else they've touched. and so what do they do? they strike the root, knock out the cancer, and this cancer spread throughout the entire country, which i didn't realize the extent to which had been completely hollowed out. and i don't know if this is true, but i saw a chart yesterday saying that in a syrian era born, we soldier made about $5.00 a month. whereas in age, the spider made about 2000 dollars, month one who was paying those $2000.00 a month. yep, absolutely. you know, stanley, i said in my introduction that um, when states so it can disappear. so do people again. i've never been, this program is never been this that the celebration. natural work is never been

a cheerleader for aside. he's gone good residents as far as i'm concerned, but minorities did continue to exist maybe harshly. but i don't see that happening right now. it live is already been brought up, the president of it, but even western media, the bbc deutsch avella reported on the price of a nature of a live. now we're going to get that red large stanley. and so what, what we're going to say is there's the i c j repeat rate, that's going to come out again. we're going to see what, lots of righteous indignation, lots of claims, lots of allegations about about what is real is doing what the united states is. doing what questions kind of words are doing what so called as long as terrorists are doing it. meanwhile, you're going to see millions of people spell it out. and united nations will often buffer and wrapped and scream and yell with right. his indignation of selling for immediate cease fire, spoiling for just this. we're just waiting for united nations to have to send another 200000. so for peacekeepers in the heart of serious to control who can go

where, who can go when the name of peace. but meanwhile it's, it's, it's always been and will continue to be the name protecting westman interest. and the name of protecting is really in prison. the name, the protecting the global north under it's, it's excuses after excuses, excuse what is what is really pay me the last few days. you're seeing millions, right? well, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of syria and returning to the country. people on the ground cheering, hoping for the best, wishing for the best, expecting the best. and we know what awaits and meanwhile, every day is real is doing a new bomb. and you're on every day in united states and sending more rockets in every day. they, they the, the aspirations of millions of people who lives in, or they ask for up, or 20 years now, day by day with some, probably around, sadly hold that thought. because we, we have trip, we have libya all over again except for on steroids. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on serious stay with our team, the,

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a trail of blood and wounds that canyon nation has not recovered from on sale. now, [000:00:00;00] the welcome at the cross. ok, we're all things are considered non peter roosevelt you mind you were discussing syria the . okay, let's go back to a she's in new york and i tend to be a pessimistic pessimist when it comes to these things here. the lightning speed in which this happened in syria for reasons that we have all the already talked about

. i do worry that this a new offensive can be started in lebanon, and actually in rack as well. i think this lightning speed events is going to be much longer and, and daniel has already brought brought it up at the, by the ministration. quite literally wants to leave with a bang. go ahead in new york. the. yeah, the con, separate what's going on in syria with what they've been doing for the last 14 months in gauze, the westbank palestine, you know, this is, this is to, by the ministration. trying to wrap up, frankly, as much as they can cause the uncertainty of what could come next to trump and they don't know what his agenda will whenever he said how, but they still just don't know. so they accept a ration of this was definitely deliberate on the bite and they wanted they didn't know what his position on the side would be with some of the people he's picked in securing positions. so they wanted to expedite this as quick as possible and removes aside and create an environment, the israel to continue its aggression in the region. right. you cause separate any violence in the middle east from the 76. yes. the israel has existed in the region and what they're trying to do is to around 11 on the,

the biggest right is rather since bought off, like at least in the direct conflicts, right. and they're trying to surround, let them on. so they can actually take is the law apart from all sides. and that's why the learning is the israel continuous land grab is going to go something like $6.00 to $7.00 times the size of gauzy. they've taken already from syria. they bones were 200 to 400 strikes across the syrian, i guess, because the syrian countries stands base taken out all the defenses, whole imagery capabilities, the navy there, um the air force or leaving syrians to pass. and also, by the way, there is going to be a future syrian government, whatever it looks like, whether it's uh these guys here or the people, they go to the defense that's against any, is there any right hose and who will spend the last the week, effectively dismantling all is defensive capabilities. against that i remember is theory and people have the right to defend themselves and not just israel claims that right right now as well as breaking silver and territory to take that. and it will say, just estimate the infrastructure now is where i,

i think the united states is helping is russ around lebanon. so they can say kit, hit the one of the major chess pieces of the board and his beloved and hopefully finally take them out from that perspective. now the reason is the last so pivotal is you know, it is, i believe that the a, there's a lot and the math and this point of finding effectively for the survival of what we think is uh, you know, all right, speak is, is this, if this way of a behavior, the israel is putting out the united states supports the gas line on the seeing globally. this is going to be on your normal where the us and israel of the us can go is any country decimated gas, fly us. and pretend that they giving people free to and we'll protecting the country or defending an ally. and the reason the reason is also important, know how most important right now is they are holding a wave of a new normal back by continuing to fight against israel and continue to fight against the united states. because there's frankly a direct war at this point. so it taking throughout,

so payments sold to them so they can surround here's what lots of take, you know, i think one of the most what you've seen the direct consulate as well as a real on a israel. nobody knows how to bone people and civilians. and human beings from the sky, when they had direct conflict in southern lebanon as ro, is getting as off handed to it. and the reality is they needed a new move to try and take his blow out, because they were getting the estimate. i think there's also like 60 mac and the tanks on the ground, they lost a thousands of troops, lots of people, and the way they look at it, you could see lots of people were reporting new hospitals with uh, amputations, lots of other serious military ending injuries and while these realism reporting at stake, as you can see, there's a lot of damage being done. they need to cease fire to recalibrate with the united states, to take out one of the biggest threats to them in the region. the threatened up front of me was protecting our people across the region. and what you're going to see is there's going to be resistance in the end coming up in syria from syria. and

people wants to duff cells because they're not going to accept this new minutes and regime that's going to be put in by head. why didn't i buy something like the only way to essentially, you know, make that i don't know can except is randy occupation on where that is. that's the most one. that's exactly where i want to go. yeah, daniel, this will be a new occupation and oh, in the meantime everyone, that israel is going to wrap up the west bank if you know what i mean. okay. but serious is there any doesn't exist as a state it's, it's, it's, it's been partition. we don't know the lines right now. i don't know how the the, the americans and their curtis allies are going to do with their to one. um, but all i know for sure, daniel, is this going to be a lot of chaos. it's gonna last a long time and it's going to be very violent. daniel, a clever us is pretty good. a chaos you mention. yeah. that'd be earlier. we see how that's worked out and they don't care. i mean, in a sense, the h t us as an after thought, i mean they're, they're a convenient uh, a tool. but i mean, i think on, you know, the real action was right after they run least, as i call the said,

here was the destruction of any ability of syria to defend itself. mean, i think that's the real action here, and it's such a great point. i don't think it's a coincidence that it happened right when the so called cease fire was signed, they had to get rid of the supply lines and make sure that has the law could not be supplied. and they did simply destroyed serial completely. you know, the notion of gas lighting isn't, is a very important point, and i'm glad my colleague brought it up because that's exactly what's happening with the united states in the us house of representatives. you have the feelings, like representative joe wilson, who all the years i was on the in the house as a staff or he would go down and make floor statements. and every single floor statement every single day was we will never forget 911. well, who is $911.00 joe? that was all kind of, he's running siri. joe was higher and he's the one now calling for an in the all sections. again, syria, now that l card is in control, this is the level of intellect, of people who run for the united states in our us congress and the white house. the

stanley, obviously israel, the united states and their allies feel very much in bold. and i mean there, they are there and they're busy with success to use the phrase here. um, i do worry that there's a hubris is going to kick in. and of course we have a ran on the agenda. it's always been on the agenda and looking at the foreign policy, quote unquote expertise around trump. i worry that the, even an a greater expansion of this. maybe because they'll, they'll, there's going to be the perception or ran is weak or solid was weak. ran is weak. that does, that's uh, that's going to be a very dangerous equation. stanley. well, the notion that we've had to destroy the village to say that, yeah, is that the, at the heartbeat of the united states, you know, we were call vietnam, but it's the history of united states. what, what, what, what, what my colleagues have said, which is directly on point, is israel rides in the midst of may. and it creates exclusive,

create pre types that the flaps. it justifies the most for risk of attacks throughout the region. this is all about designing, disabling, and removing from the agenda, the resistance against the really occupation doctors and palestine with the destruction. and guys are turning the west bank and the gaza and guys into the west bank. but this is about the river to the sea, expanding 3456 times. why does it any rhetoric from anyone and conquer? this is about the united states and israel. the added for the effort here is to re, may have it is to visit, disable this arm and to diffuse any resistance to, to as my colleagues, point it out. because bowler at this point is the greatest concern for is real united states and the region for the longest period of time. it has been the greatest supporter of self determination, independence and freedom of arabs against what i called. we support lawrence of arabia increasingly now to the contest from brooklyn. so yeah. got,

it is absolutely right every why they will arrive in the midst of may have web and serial palestine yet and everywhere. it produces the pre tax. and who knows what the truck administration's kind of go with the apologise that are coming in for may i'm saying, well, what we care about is ourselves. whatever is in our own best interest. and i'm not distinguishing it from the democrats, but then now have the pretext to do anything and everything they with and order the safe side, their own self interest. because it's the end and the out. there is those hours this, those are as long as even if there were those types, the problems, the reality of it is the us as long. no, yes, benefit has been may have the region and israel's, the ultimate winner of this particular battle. the disarming the attacks, the uses, the rafters 1000 powers and nothing. yahoo. meanwhile, he goes to court room. it says, i'm busy. i've got to go kill 10000 feet. did. yep. i say is if we go back to your new york, i mean, or that would trump name's already been mentioned here from said, you know,

a very long convoluted. i don't know if the or they called fruits like tweets anyway. um uh uh um, from so serious not our fight, even though we just bought it. i mean, this is, this is not a good foreboding here. go ahead us. yeah, i think the interesting thing was electronic is it's just unpredictable. right? so i don't think there's any predictive and that's why i think buying again, just that for law smart bind, made this move. now dell, what heaping securing is rails at the end of the american agenda or in the region because he just doesn't know what trump is. going to do, look you surrounded himself by with sinus of course the surrounding himself with people who were getting it, who i'm hearing and the ronnie are and, and the bring the arabs, whatever the reality is that he's so unpredictable. and this is going to be a sofa. so government, no matter who appointments in any department, every decision is going to come from his got hit from the white house, whether it be on energy, foreign policy, whatever everything's going to come through him and his,

his advisors in the white house. and that seemed to keep an eye on right. now miriam adults and his biggest donors both have the cabinet. she wanted with a 100000000 donation. she wants to westbank context. it's already being added. all of us here know that it's been an expense. obama, the, you know, no one's stopped by never condemn that. comes to us time as in boy, did it. even like i said, i got a going heights officially as rails, you know, you broke ground in a term hotel. you know? no, the american president has stopped the unexplained quiet and you know, all that going to do is form of the attics it in the eyes, the well and the good that i would say there was an interesting good thing to come from that by doing that, he's going to stabilize so many people's political position on august. i went to europe, lead as tell them, the fact that they keep saying that populations like a gas line, that populations we believe in 2 states, we believe in 2 states. you know, we hope this comes through then, so we can get a processing his day. what is america? who owns most of your effectively politically and says well is no to say what is too strong. i'm going to do macro, and going to do your child, student jeremy,

are you going to do? what are they going to do? look at this point or do you lose last most that domestic population who are protesting weekly, daily, frankly, some states, what are they going to do at that point? are they gonna have to go against their american sponsor on this? yeah. what's that going to do against and really bo, over syria. but these type, this population is deeply pro palestinian, and it's trump takes away the possibility of 2 states. wasn't quite sure you should . i think it was the you're and you're assuming that democracy has any role in western, you know, as soon as certain color. okay, great. because it doesn't tell you more. i agree with you 100 percent, but it's not good. it's critical up to a leads and unfortunately on this very contingency issue we've run out of time. i want to thank my guess in like jackson and in new york. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our d. c. and next time, remember across the rules,

the, the, the are headline stories, the russian military academy tied to a series of attacks on ukraine's energy system respond to things a key of strikes of russian territory using western long range missiles earlier this week. also a head on the program, the payoff grips northern syria with at least 6 people reported like taylor by the us box 3 in democratic courses using live. i'm open to this 1st crowds demonstrating and supported the ruling h t s militants,