said right now the country has only enough power to supply energy to only about half of the country. but previous reports suggested that basically ukraine has to balance between and to choose whether or not to supply households or the facilities of the military industrial complex, which need plenty of power to operate. and very often, this balance, well it kind of tips in favor over the latter. so really it's so the ordinary citizens who are bearing the brunt of these attacks that are meant to cripple ukraine's, while ukraine's military capabilities and military production capabilities to it is meant to deny the supply of power to those industrial facilities who repair military vehicles. and so on and so forth. again, according to or ukrainian source is at least a types of different weapons were used in this attack. as air raid sirens sounded all across ukraine and explosions of rocks about age regions of the country,

including a key of a region including the very capital of ukraine, which is not which is, it's not a common occurrence. now, when it comes to the reasons behind this attack on wednesday, indeed ukraine use the us made long range attack themselves to try and attack a mother to the field in russia, southern town of took a rug uh, 2 of those, most houses were shut down and the rest were sent to stray by uh, by electronic welfare. i was, i was, they did say to you, they did it still close it, some casualties and destruction on the ground. if you'd like to read little on any of us stories, do check our website. let's see, don't call that. it's always a pleasure to have you with us here on the international bye for now. the

the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i am peter lavelle for all intents and purposes, syria now ceases to be a sovereign state. it is in the process of being partition. a new international proxy war has been ignited in the region with no terrace and power when states disappear. so do people the cross, 2nd serial and joined by my guess, stanley cohen in new york, he is a human rights lawyer also in new york. if a chief cross out, he is a former advisor to the middle east, peace and boy, and

a political strategist. and in lake jackson, we cross who daniel mcadams, he's the executive director of the wrong paul institute for peace and prosperity general across stock roles and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, daniel, i'd like to go to you 1st because i need your help in understanding what's going on in syria because, you know, i been, i'm in the news business, it's my job to follow what people are saying. and i'm coming across these kind of strange narratives, like, for instance, the 1st one, syria's been liberated by brave freedom fighters. okay, that's one narrative. but all long sighted israel obviously needs to invade syria because the country has been invaded by dangerous terrace. i don't see how those 2 can coincide, and then there's a 3rd one. evil terrorists are not evil terrorists anymore. they are actually are friends and willing to work with the west. do you have your favorite narrative or do you have another one for me? well, here's another one for you. israel was israel was somehow able to bomb the hell out

of syria, knocking out every single tank and gun without killing a civilian. you haven't cause it can't bomb a single factory without the bombing of 10 hospitals and killing a 100, you know, individuals. so somehow there's a, there must be better targeting answer isn't there isn't gaza or 11 on. but the whole thing is a far as we saw about a week before the take over, we saw the sea and intuitively assuming its role as an adjunct of the c. i a and white washing and blow drying these terrorist event, hold up an invalid, and turn them into wonderful freedom fighters, giving them a shape regard. good bar jacket. i add a uh to deal castro, a beard, and boom, you're off to the races. here we go. and not someone else to cheer a new flag to raise a new flag to wave. and the american congress, of course, is screening for sanctions to be lifted and more money to be sent. it's really quite amazing stanley because you know, this program which i've, we've been following the, the proxy war, the dirty proxy war and syria from the very beginning and 2011 and will,

is on this program and the guests that have been been here. we've always worried about the black flag being flown over damascus. that is the case right now. but the, the, the iron is that are waiving the colona, the british colonial flag for syria. so yeah, another layer of absurdity here. is that the choice? i mean there's out the west is chosen to side with terrace over an authoritarian regime, which of course, that's what a solid was go ahead. sadly. well, israel's notion of the, from, from the river to see is increasingly the, the hudson river and it'd be atlantic ocean of the united states is the difference between freedom fighter and terrorist and the global norris. and in the west is who went on this from day one has been part of the orchestrated efforts by israel, the top of syria. it's tough 11 on a to destroy completely eradicate of palestine and young. and this is part of a grand effort that goes back and look,

i'm not going to minimize the rights as participants and the ard spring, 20 years ago, or 18 years ago, whatever. there were lots of young women is mad and stood up and said, we're not gonna, we're not going to bend over to western prophecies anymore. yet over the years, the west of proxies have just said, you know, let's just take it ourselves. and now we have the grand example of israel, the united states, the west stepping up and say, syria, you don't exist anymore, you're now part of the greater is really a buyer and is really name of saving. people will drop 60700000 pounds of bond is correct. it's much more targeted because the purpose is different. garza wants that they, they wish to levels are completely destroyed and syria, they wish to just take control of. and along with the blessing of job, i'm in united states. what you see on poland in front of us is making a mistake about is, is, is the screen has been removed and the west towards prophecy is real. as now said,

we own you were taking you were coming for you while the west of the world producers this through. oh, they're rescuing millions of syria and some photos. well, the tears people that to a large degree have been funded by the west of and supported by the west, move engaged in service activities for the longest period of time. and that's on folding while cnn n. s. and be, say, another mainstream media chair and say, oh, it's the freedom fighters, the as well as any of our kids. yeah, because i say, so if i go to you in new york, i mean, you know, this, this, this term designating someone a terrorist. i mean, i suppose now given 911 of the global war on terrorism, the, the, the designation and terrace is not behavioral. it's political, right? right. i mean that we uh pick and choose who we once we terrace, depending on the weather they support the united states interest. so now, you know, i've long since working them at least assemblies office of long advocate, how much shouldn't be a service organization visible?

i shouldn't be of service organization. fundamentally, jonathan powell, it's that a good friday. we negotiated a good friday agreement. the, the u. k. was to agree is that these people sign for their own territory. so we defining them as terrorist is just through our political gains now, these guys, they are a group of, uh, idealogues who want to tear. uh, do you want to create some, some form of these antics, say over syria, and a willing to take american money to go to they there and the definition of what we would think of our steps, you know, as long as they help the west interest, we're going to let them run right. get on a state that's thousands of years old. that is, um, you know, got more history and most of your events, you know more and, you know, i, the other thing it frightens me with this is guys taken back on your other colleagues, clients is this likes to go over again. you know, this is, this is the west clubbing up in england say, yeah, like me think when they were colonizing the middle east and the rest of the world

or how they see fit, you know, they're going to give talks of it to israel. that is relevant, would take a given the terrorist a little bit of a region so they feel like they have their room stay intact. he's taking the tall, you know, and then they going to do this full under the guise of freedom. right. and hasn't everyone that often causal ready that you call and trust the western media on the narrative. just spend 14 months listening to them tell this is rose, defending it. so when the young in america had to go to check talking instagram to find that wait, hold on. there's a genocide happening, right? when people are, while they're much because they're seeing the images themselves, you call them and see them. and we're sitting there watching these images in some people and gone backwards and decided ways cnn showing us freedom. it must be true . it's, since it's a, it's a joke. and then you've got johnny, i think your colleague pointed out, you know, he's standing there in a what could be and his radio tag is uniform and his head, charles, blah, from taki all dressed up like brazil empty. and they gave them an interview on cnn

. this is a guy who's on the once it was this guy's on the watch list. they didn't give an interview to sing. why? well, honey a to justify their actions of resistance. political spokesmen of, i'm a student and never got those moments on an american national network. they've done everything they can to create a propaganda channel and the narrative that they will see fit to devise the policy and movement. that's the key here. yep. i just want to do a lot of people who are from other middle eastern backgrounds or as the arab countries who want it to your point. freedom for those other peoples where they're being, sir, in other regions to pull off the palestinian bandwagon is focused on their arm issues yet, but they're not even ashamed of their hub pocket seeing that's what i find really quite fascinating. you know, daniel, if it, at some point in time, i mean, obviously i started out rather facetiously with these absurd narratives that are in circulation. but when there is a zionist agenda, american had gemini agenda and a neil ottoman agenda. i mean, they're bidding or not,

these are not going to work. this whole thing isn't going to work out very well. daniel. a close and was a confluence of interest that causes one policy action. you know, in this case they're, they're, they're diverse. and for us that as you say, cannot work together, it's impossible. but you know, what's, what's disturbing peter, you know, for at least for me is that i've was, i've been wrong about sir. we're getting, i should've known better. but you know, all of these years where i thought after they had had the district cream and we had everything sort of bottled up in it lab that there was some piece, you know, we, we saw some, uh, you know, some good signs on the ground. but all the, while the us itself was hollowing out the country, you know, caesar active of 2018, which completely instore the economy, stealing all the oil, stealing while the wheat. i thought that was a side joint. in fact, it was a central piece. and all the while you have this cancer, this growing and getting stronger and it would live in all of a sudden with a binding foreign policy having 4 and 4 years of absolute disaster. they were,

they feel that somehow this is going to be their crowning achievement. they screwed up, everything else they've touched. and so what do they do? they strike the root, knock out the cancer, and this cancer spread throughout the entire country, which i didn't realize the extent to which had been completely hollowed out. and i don't know if this is true, but i saw a chart yesterday saying that in a syrian era army soldier made about $5.00 a man. whereas an aged yes, wider made about 2000 dollars month. i wonder who's paying those $2000.00 a month? yep, absolutely. you know, stanley, i said in my introduction them when states so you can disappear. so do people again . i've never been. this program is never been this that the celebration. natural work is never been a cheerleader for assad. he's gone. good riddance as far as i'm concerned, but minorities did continue to exist maybe harshly. but i don't see that happening right now. it live is already been brought up, the president of it, but even western media, the bbc deutsch, avella reported on the oppressive nature of it live. now we're going to get that writ large stanley as well. what,

what we're going to say is there's the i c j repeat read. that's going to come out again. we're going to see what, lots of righteous indignation, lots of claims, lots of allegations about. and i'm just about what is real, is doing what the united states is doing with western kind of words. they're doing what so called as long as terrorists are doing. and meanwhile, you're going to see millions of people spell it out. and united nations will often often grantham scream and yell with right his indignation of selling for immediate cease fire, spoiling for just this. we're just waiting for united nations to have to send another 200000. so for peacekeepers in the heart of serious to control who can go where, who can go when the name of peace. but meanwhile it's, it's, it's always been and will continue to be the name protecting weston interest. and the name of protecting is really interest in the name to protect in the global north, under it's, it's excuses after excuses, excuse what is what is really pay me the last few days. you're seeing millions,

right? well, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of syria and returning to the country, people on the ground cheering, hoping for the best, wishing for the best, expecting the best. and we know what awaits and meanwhile, every day is real, is doing a new bombing run. every day the united states is sending more rockets in every day . they, they the, the aspirations of millions of people who lived in a they asked for up or 20 years now, day by day with some, probably around, sadly hold that thought. because we, we have trip, we have libya all over again except for on steroids. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on syria, stay with r t. the for all intents and purposes, syria now ceases to be a sovereign state. it is in the process of being partitioned. a new international proxy war has been ignited in the region with no terrorist and power. when states disappeared. so do people. in

the, if you think about a russia, what is your mind to picture the landscape open up before your eyes? the last one does, can you imagine the fetus gods dots. the johnny, the, the you ready to come along the

welcome at the cross. ok, we're all things are considered non peter roosevelt you mind you were discussing syria the . okay, let's go back to a she's in new york and i tend to be a pessimistic pessimist when it comes to these things here. the lightning speed in which this happened in syria for reasons that we have all the already talked about . i do worry that this a new offensive can be started in lebanon and, and actually in rack as well. i think this lightning speed events is going to be much longer and, and daniel has already brought brought it up at the, by the ministration. quite literally wants to leave with a bang. go ahead in new york. a. yeah, the con, separate what's going on in syria with what they've been doing for the last 14 months in gauze, the west bank all this time. you know, this is business to buy the ministration, trying to wrap up, frankly,

as much as they can because the uncertainty of what could come next to trump and they don't know what his agenda will be, whatever he said how, but they still just don't know. so they accept a ration of this was definitely deliberate on the bite and they wanted they didn't know what his position on the side would be with some of the people he's picked into gary positions. so they wanted to expedite this as quick as possible and remove side and create an environment, the israel to continue. it's aggression in the region, right. you cause separate any violence in the middle east from the 76, u. s. a. israel has existed in the region and what they're trying to do is to around 11 on the, the biggest strength is rather since bought off, like at least the direct conflicts. right. and they're trying to surround, let them on. so they can actually take is blah blah from all sides. and that's why they're learning is the israel continuous land grab, is going to go something like $6.00 to $7.00 times the size of gospel. they've taken already from syria. they've bones were 200 to 400 strikes across the syrian a guess because the syrian countries stands base taken out all the defenses. whole

that made it to capabilities, the navy there um the air force or leaving syrians to pass. and also by the way, there's going to be a futures there in government, whatever it looks like, whether it's uh these guys here or the people, they go to the defense that's against any, is there any right hush and well spent the last, the week effectively dismantling orleans defensive capabilities against that i remember is theory and people have the right to defend themselves and not just israel claims that that right right now is relative breaking silver and territory to take that land and also just estimate the infrastructure. now is where i, i think the united states is helping interests around lebanon. so they can say kit, the one of the major chess pieces of the board and his beloved and hopefully finally take them out from that perspective. now the reason is the last so pivotal is unit is i believe that the a is a lot and the math and this point of finding effectively for the survival of what we think is uh, you know, all right, speak is, is this, if this way of a behavior of the israel is putting out the united states supports the gas line on

the seeing globally. this is going to be on your normal where the us and israel of the us can go is any country decimated gas, fly us, and pretend that they've given people frida and we'll protecting the country or defending an ally. and the reason, the reason his loss and pull annual him us important right now is they are holding a wave of a new normal back by continuing to fight against israel and continue to fight against the united states. because there's frankly a direct war at this point. so it taking throughout. so payments sold to them so they can surround here's the lots of take. yeah, i think one of them is what you've seen, the direct conflict as long as the real, only israel, nobody knows how to bone people and civilians and human beings from the sky when they had direct conflict. the southern lebanon is ro, is getting its off handed to it. and the reality is they needed a new move to try and take his blow out, because they were getting destiny. i think there's also like 16, an estimate tanks on the grounds. they lost a thousands of troops,

lots of people. and the way the looking at the you could see lots of people were reporting new hospitals with uh, amputations, lots of other serious uh, military ending injuries. and while these rep wasn't reporting it stay, as you can see, there's a lot of damage being done. they need to cease 5 to recalibrate with the united states to take out one of the biggest threats to them in the region. straightened up front news, protecting our people across the region. and what you're going to see is there's going to be resistance in the end coming up in syria from siri. and people wants to duff cells because they're not going to accept this new minutes in the regime that's going to be put in by head. why didn't i buy something like long, but essentially no way that i don't know can except is randy occupation on where that is? that's the most important. that's exactly where i want to go. yeah, daniel, this will be a new occupation and oh, in the meantime everyone that is real is going to wrap up the west bank if you know what i mean. okay. but serious, is there any it doesn't exist as a state it's,

it's it's, it's been partition. we don't know the lines right now. i don't know how the, the, the americans and their curtis allies are going to do with their to one on. but all i know for sure, daniel, is this going to be a lot of chaos. it's gonna last a long time, and it's going to be very violent. daniel, a lot of the us is pretty good, a chaos you mentioned, and it'd be earlier. we see how that's worked out and they don't care. i mean, in a sense, the h t us as an after thought, i mean they're, they're a convenient uh, a tool. but i mean, i think on, you know, the real action was right after they run least, as i call the said, here was the destruction of any ability of syria to defend itself. mean, i think that's the real action here, and it's such a great point. i don't think it's a coincidence that happened right when the so called cease fire was signed, they had to get rid of a supply lines and make sure that has the law could not be supplied. and they did simply destroyed syria completely. you know, the notion of gaslighting isn't is a very important line. i'm glad my colleague brought it up because that's exactly what's happening with the united states in the us house of representatives. you

have the feelings, like representative joe wilson, who all the years i was on in the house as a staff or he would go down and make floors statements and every single floor statement every single day was we will never forget 911. well, who did not 11 joe, but it was all kind of, he's running syria. joe was higher and he's the one now calling for an in the all sanctions again, syria. now that l card is in control. this is the level of intellect, of people who run for the united states in our us congress and the white house was stanley, obviously israel, the united states and their allies feel very much in bold. and i mean there, they are there and they're dizzy by success. the use the phrase here. um, i do worry that there's a hubris is going to kick in. and of course we have a ran on the agenda. it's always been on the agenda and looking at the foreign policy, quote unquote expertise around trump. i worry that they even an, a greater expansion of this. maybe because they'll, they'll,

there's going to be the perception or ran is weak or solid. was weak around is weak . that does, that's uh, that's going to be a very dangerous equation. stanley. well, the notion that we've had to destroy the village to say that, yeah, is that the, at the heartbeat of the united states, you know, we were club, you know, what is the history of united states? what, what, what, what, what my colleagues have said, which is directly on point, is israel rides in the midst of may. and it creates exclusive, create pre types the, the flaps. it justifies the most for risk of attacks throughout the region. this is all about designing, disabling, and removing from the agenda, the resistance against the really occupation, not just in palestine, but the destruction in guys are turning the west bank and gaza and guys into the west bank. but this is about the river to the sea, expanding 3456 times. why does it any rhetoric with anyone and conk? this is about the united states and israel of the adults who are the effort here is

to re, may have it is to dislike, disable, disarm and to defuse any resistance to, to, as my colleagues pointed out, as well. at this point is the greatest concern for is real united states and the region for the longest period of time. it has been the greatest supporter of self determination, independence and freedom of arabs against what i called. we support lawrence of arabia increasingly now to the congress from brooklyn. so yeah. got, it is absolutely right every why they will arrive in the midst of may have web and serial palestine yet and everywhere. it produces the pre tax. and who knows what the truck administration's kind of go, the apologists that are coming in for may, i'm saying, well, what we care about is ourselves. whatever is in our own best interest. and i'm not distinguishing it from the democrats, but then now i have the pretext to do anything and everything they was in order to safe side, their own self interest because it's the and,

and the out there is those our, it shows as long as, even if there were those types, the problems, the reality of it is the us as long. no, yes, benefit has been may have the region and israel's, the ultimate winner of this particular battle. the disarming the attacks, the excuses, the rationality and powers and nothing yahoo. meanwhile, he goes to court room, it says i'm busy, i've got to go kill 10000 feet. did. yep. i say is if we go back to your new york, i mean, or they would, trump name's already been mentioned here from said, you know, a very long convoluted. i don't know if the or they called fruits like tweets anyway. um uh with um, from so serious about our fight, even though we just bought it. i mean, this is, this is not a good foreboding here. go ahead. as, yeah, i think the interesting thing was electronic is just unpredictable. right? so i think there's any predictive and that's why i think by and again, just that for last month, by and made this move. now del heaping securing is rails. again,

the american agenda are in the region because he just doesn't know what trump is going to do. i'm lucky surrounded himself by with sinus of course the surrounded himself with people who were getting it, who i'm hearing, giovanni, and, and the from the arabs, whatever. but the reality is that he's so unpredictable. and this is going to be a sofa style government, no matter who appointments in any department, every decision is going to come from his got hit from the white house, whether it be on energy, foreign policy, whatever everything's going to come through him and his, his advisors in the white house and that to, to keep an eye on right. now miriam adults and his biggest donors both have the cabinet. she wanted with a 100000000 donation. she wants to westbank context. it's already being added. all of us here know that it's fanatics and so on the, you know, no one stopped by never condemned. it comes to us. time is pointed it, even like i said, i got to go on the heights officially as rails, you know, you broke ground in a term hotel. you know. no,

the american president has started. the antics in quite in the old that going to do is form of the attics it in the eyes, the well and the good the i would say there was an interesting good thing to come from that like doing that he's going to stabilize so many people's political position on homicide, only europe will that lead as tell them the fact that keeps think that populations like he gas line populations, we believe in 2 states. we believe in 2 states. you know, we hope this comes through then, so we can get a passing is that what is the america who owns most of your effectively politically and says well is no to say what is too strong, we're going to do background, going to do your child student jeremy, are you going to do? what are they going to do with this appointment, or do you lose last most that domestic population who are protesting weekly, daily, frankly, some states, what are they going to do at that point? are they gonna have to go against their american sponsor on this? yeah. what's that going to do against being really bold with syria, but the practice population is deeply pro palestinian and it's trump takes away the possibility of 2 states. wasn't quite sure you said i think i was the you're,

you're assuming that democracy has any role in western you know, as soon as certain color degrees because it does a debbie moore. i agree with you 100 percent, but it's not going to trickle up to a leads. and unfortunately, on this very contentious issue we've run out of time. i want to thank my guess and like jackson and in new york. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc and next time, remember, across the rules, the, the see the silver, the book to somebody. how can it be that um the ship to the middle east from a country whose top officials constantly complain about shortages of munitions and

military equipments destroyed, located in the blue, but of boston, low green, and the new systemic below grade level nominal facility or some of those other staff we, i'm about to the easiest to to not. and then also one of the easiest on bottom of bubble a sort of wellness special kind of the piece that have gone on now. well, why are weapons from ukraine spreading over the world? to turn this country into a major arms hub, will continue to bolster ukraine's and forces by rushing them occasionally is that they need to defend their country. the everyone knows very well that we don't sell but known as pineapples or any kind of children's toys. we sell women's. yes, we're also known in the world as i'm steelers, that we must not be ashamed of them. the of the,

the is ready for these were pull to the bottom to a syrian polls, including an area near a russian naval bay. city are you, an official condemns the is radius, all of syria as a country. this limits let into him government to appeal to the world body for support. absolutely no basis on the international law or to preventively will preemptively disarm a country to us like, i mean, if that were the case, it would be a risk that the cause of the usual make is cool for sanctions against georgia as a nation. space is 5th western question on the eve of its presidential election. the .