[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered. i'm peter level. for all intents and purposes, syria now ceases to be a sovereign state. it is in the process of being partition. a new international proxy war has been ignited in the region with no terrace and power when states disappear. so do people

the cross, 2nd serial and joined by my guess, stanley cohen in new york. he is a human rights lawyer also. new york is a chief across out, he is a former advisor to the middle east peace and boy, and a political strategist and in lake jackson, we cross who daniel mcadams. he's the executive director of the run. paul institute for peace and prosperity. gentlemen. cross sack roles and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, daniel, i'd like to go to you 1st because i need your help in understanding what's going on in syria because, you know, i been, i'm in the news business, it's my job to follow what people are saying. and i'm coming across these kind of strange narratives, like, for instance, the 1st one, syria has been liberated by brave freedom fighters. okay. it's one narrative. but all long sighted israel obviously needs to invade syria because the country has been invaded by dangerous terrace. i don't see how those 2 can coincide, and then there's

a 3rd one. evil terrorists are not able terrorist anymore. they are actually are friends and willing to work with the west. do you have your favorite narrative or do you have another one for me? well, here's another one for you. israel was israel was somehow able to bomb the hell out of syria, knocking out every single tank and gun without killing a civilian human cause. it can't bomb a single factory without the bombing of 10 hospitals and killing a 100. you know, individuals, so somehow there's a, there must be better targeting answer isn't, there isn't gaza or 11 on. but the whole thing is a far as we saw about a week before the take over, we saw the sea and intuitively assuming its role as an adjunct of the c. i, a and white washing and blow drying these terrorist event hold up in a blood. and turn them into wonderful freedom fighters, giving them a shape regard, good bar jacket and a uh, fidel castro, a beard, and boom, you're off to the races. here we go, and not someone else to cheer a new flag to raise a new flag to wave. and the american congress, of course,

is screening for sanctions to be lifted and more money to be sent. it's really quite amazing, stanley, because, you know, this program which i've, we've been following the, the proxy war, the dirty proxy war and syria from the very beginning. and 2011 and will is on this program and the guests that have been been here, we've always worried about the black flag being flown over the mask as that is the case right now with the, the, the iron is that are waiving the cologne, the british colonial flag for syria. so yeah, another layer of absurdity here. is that the choice? i mean this out, the west is chosen to side with terrace over and authoritarian regime, which of course that's what a solid was, go ahead sadly. well, israel's, the ocean of the, from, from the river to see is increasingly the, the hudson river and to the atlantic ocean of the united states is the difference between freedom fighter and terrorist and the global norris. and in the west is who

went on this from day one has been part of the orchestrated efforts by israel, the top of syria, that's top of what been on a to destroy completely eradicate of palestine and young. and this is part of a grand effort that goes back and look, i'm not going to minimize the right, just participants in the ard spring, 20 years ago, or 18 years ago. whatever. there were lots of young women is mad and stood up and said, we're not gonna, we're not going to bend over to western prophecies anymore. yet over the years, the west of proxies have just said, you know, let's just take it ourselves. and now we have the grand example of israel, the united states, the west stepping up and say, syria, you don't exist anymore, you're now part of the greater is really a buyer and is really name of saving. people will drop 60700000 pounds of bond is correct. it's much more targeted because the purpose is different. garza wants that they,

they wish to levels are completely destroyed in syria. they wish to just take control of them along with the blessing of job. i'm in united states. what you see on poland in front of us isn't making a mistake about is, is, is the screen has been removed and the west towards proxy israel as now said, we own you were taking you were coming for you while the west of the world reduces this through, oh, they're rescuing millions of syria and some photos. well, the turkish people that to a large degree have been funded by the west of and supported by the west move engaged in service activities for the longest period of time. and that's on folding while cnn n. s. and be say another main stream media chair and say, oh, it's the freedom fighters, the as well as any of our records. yeah, because i say, so if i go to you in new york, i mean, you know, this, this, this term designating someone a terrorist. i me, i suppose now given 911 of the global war on terrorism, the, the, the designation and terrorist is not behavioral, it's political, right?

right. i mean that we uh pick and choose who we want to be terrace, depending on the weather. they support the united states interest. so now, you know, i've long since working them, at least the symbol is office of long advocated the most shouldn't be a service organization. case, but i shouldn't be of service organization. fundamentally. jonathan powell, it's that a good friday. we negotiated a good friday agreement. the, the u. k. was to agree is that these people sign for their own territory. so we defining them as terrorist is just through our political gains now, these guys, they are a group of, uh, ideologues who want to tear. uh, do you want to create some, some form of his antics state of his area and a willing to take american money to go to they there and the definition of what we would think us heiress steps, you know, as long as they help the west interest we're going to let them run right. get on a state that's thousands of years old. that is, um, you know, got more history and most of europe end, you know more and, you know, i,

the other thing it frightens me with this is guys taken back on your other college clients. it's just like stick over and over again. you know, this is, this is the west coming up in england say, yeah, like me think when they were colonizing the middle east and the rest of the world or how they see fit, you know, they're going to give thoughts of it to israel. that is relevant and we'll take care of a given the terrorist a little bit of a region so they feel like they have their room stay intact. he's taking the top, you know, and then they going to do this full under the guise of freedom, right. and hasn't everyone that often causal ready that you call and trust the western media on the narrative, just spend 14 months listening to them to this is rose, defending it. so when the young in america had to go to check talking instagram to find that wait, hold on. there's a genocide happening right when people walter march, because they're seeing the images themselves, you come and see them. and we're sitting there watching these images and some people and gone backwards and decided ways cnn showing us freedom. it must be true

. it since it's a, it's a joke and then you've got johnny, i think your colleague pointed out, you know, he's standing there in a what could be in his radio, texas uniform and his head, charles, blah from zacky, all dressed up like visitor, the landscape. and they gave them an interview on cnn. this is a guy who's on the wanted. what this guy's on the watch list, they didn't give an interview to sing. why? or how you can justify their actions of resistance when they should have been at least tanya, who was the political spokesman of i'm a student and never got those moments on an american national network. they've done everything they can to create a propaganda channel. and the narrative that they will see fit to devise the policy and movement. that's the key here they have been trying to divide people who low from other middle east and background. so our as the arab countries who one united to your point, freedom for those other peoples, whether it be necessary in other regions to pull off the palestinian bandwagon is focused on their arm issues yet, but they're not even ashamed of their have pocket seeing. that's what i find really

quite fascinating. you know, daniel, if it, at some point in time, i mean, obviously i started out rather facetiously with these absurd narratives that are in circulation. but when there is a zionist agenda, american had gemini agenda and a new ottoman agenda. i mean, they're bidding or not, these are not going to work. this whole thing isn't going to work out very well. daniel, a quote that was a confluence of interest that causes one policy action, you know, in this case they're, they're, they're diverse in for us. that as you say, cannot work together. it's impossible. but you know, what's, what's disturbing peter, you know, for at least for me is that i've was, i've been wrong about sir, we're getting, i should've known better. but you know, all of these years where i thought after they had had the district cream and we had everything sort of bottled up in it lab that there was some piece, you know, we, we saw some, uh, you know, some good signs on the ground. but all the while the us itself was hollowing out the country, you know, the seas are active of 2018, which completely in store the economy stealing all the oil,

stealing while the wheat. i thought that was a side joint. in fact, it was the central piece and all the while you have this cancer, this growing and getting stronger, and it would live in all of a sudden with a bite and foreign policy having 4 and 4 years of absolute disaster, they re, they feel that somehow this is going to be their crowning achievement. they screwed up, everything else they've touched. and so what do they do? they strike the root, knock out the cancer, and this cancer spread throughout the entire country, which i didn't realize the extent to which had been completely hollowed out. and i don't know if this is true, but i saw a chart yesterday saying that in syrian airborne, we soldier made about $5.00 a man. whereas an aged spider made about 2000 dollars, month one who was paying those $2000.00 a month. yep, absolutely. you know, stanley, i said in my introduction that um, when states so it can disappear. so do people again, i've never been this program is never been this. the celebration that work is never been a cheerleader for assad. he's gone good residents as far as i'm concerned,

but minorities did continue to exist maybe harshly. but i don't see that happening right now. it live is already been brought up, the president of it, but even western media, the bbc deutsch, avella reported on the oppressive nature of it live. now we're going to get that writ large. stanley, you know what, what we're going to say is there's the i c j repeat read yes. got to come out again . we're going to see what lots of righteous indignation, lots of claims, lots of allegations about about what is real is doing what the united states is going, what questions kind of words are doing? what so called as long as tyrus are doing. and meanwhile, you're going to see millions of people spell it out. and united nations will often often grantham scream and yell with right his indignation of selling for immediate cease fire, spoiling for just this. we're just waiting for united nations to have to send another 200000. so for peacekeepers in the heart of serious to control who can go where, who can go when the name of peace. but meanwhile it's, it's,

it's always been and will continue to be the name, protecting westman interest, and the name of protecting is really in prison. the name to protect and the global north under it's, it's excuse after excuse of experience. what is, what is really pay me the last few days? you're seeing millions or the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of syria and returning to the country, people on the ground cheering, hoping for the best. wishing for the best, expecting the best. and we know what awaits and meanwhile, every day is real is doing a new bombing run. every day in the united states is sending more rockets in every day. they, they the, the aspirations of millions of people who lived in a, they ask for up or 20 years now, day by day, with some bumbling around. sadly hold that thought, because we, we have trip, we have libya all over again. except for on steroids. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on serious stay with our team.

the look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings accept. we're such orders at conflict with the 1st law show alignment of the patient. we should be very careful about, especially dodges as the point obviously is to race a trust. rather than see it the job with artificial intelligence, we have somebody in the team and the robot must protect this phone existence with alexis plus the c dot silver. so the, somebody how can it be that um the ship to the middle east from a country whose top officials constantly complain about shortages of munitions and

military equipments? is fairly low paying the boy a bit of boss and low cream and maybe a little in your system and below came along the nominal facility or some of those other slash we, i'm about to the easiest and it was one of the easiest one bedroom above the solar well nice to have to kind of get used to have him come down. now why are weapons from ukraine spreading over the world? to turn this country into a major arms hub, will continue to bolster ukraine's and forces by rushing them occasionally use that they need to defend their country. the everyone knows very well that we don't sell but known as pineapples or any kind of children's toys. we sell women. yes, we're also known in the world as arms dealers, that we must not be ashamed of them. the of the welcome act across ok,

we're all things are considered non peter roosevelt. you mind you were discussing syria, the . okay, let's go back to uh, she said new york and i tend to be a pessimistic and pessimist when it comes to these things here. the lightning speed in which this happened in syria for reasons that we have all the already talked about. i do worry that this a new offensive can be started in lebanon, and actually in rack as well. i think this lightning speed events is going to be much longer. and, and daniel has already brought, brought it up at the, by the ministration. quite literally wants to leave with a bang. go ahead in new york. a. yeah. the con, separate what's going on in syria with what they've been doing for the last 14 months in gauze, the westbank palestine. you know, this is, this is to,

by the ministration, trying to wrap up, frankly, as much as they can cause the uncertainty of will could come next to trump or they don't know what his agenda will be, whatever he said, how, but they still just don't know so they accept a ration of this was definitely deliberate on the bite and they wanted they didn't know what his position on the side would be with some of the people he's picked into gary positions. so they wanted to expedite this as quick as possible and remove the side and create an environment, the israel to continue its aggression in the region. right. you cause separate any violence in the middle east from the 76. yes. the israel has existed in the region and what they're trying to do is to around 11 on the, to the biggest strength is rather since bought like at least the direct conflicts, right. and they're trying to surround, let them on. so they can actually take is the, apart from all sides, and that's why they're learning is the israel continuous land grab, is going to go something like $6.00 to $7.00 times the size of gauze. and they've taken already from syria. they've bones with 202400, strikes across the steering,

i guess because the steering countries and they've taken out all the defenses, hold them energy capabilities, the navy, their um, the air force, they're leaving syrians to fast and the ocean. by the way, there is going to be a future syrian government, whatever it looks like, whether it's uh these guys here or the people, they go to the defense that's against any, is there any right hush and we'll spend the last the week, effectively dismantling audience defensive capabilities against that i remember is theory and people have the right to defend themselves and not just israel claims that right right now is read is breaking silver and territory to take that and, and also just estimate the infrastructure now is where i, i think the united states is helping israel surround lebanon, so they can say kit with one of the major chess pieces of the board and his beloved, and hopefully finally take them out from that perspective. now the reason is the last so pivotal is unit is i believe that the a is a lot and the math and this point of finding effectively for the survival of what we think is uh, you know, our right speak is, is this, if this way of

a behavior that is rather is putting out the united states supports the gas line on the seeing globally. this is going to be on your normal where the us and israel of the us can go is any country decimated gas y s. and pretend that they've given people frida and they'll protecting their country or defending an ally. and the reason, the reason his loss and pull and know him as to important right now is they are holding a wave of a new normal back by continuing to fight against israel and continue to fight against the united states. because there's frankly, a direct war at this point. so it taking throughout, so payments sold to them so they can surround here's the lots of take, you know, i think one of the most what you've seen the direct consulate as long as a real on a israel. nobody knows how to bone people and civilians and human beings from the sky when they had direct conflict in southern lebanon as ro is getting as off handed to it. and the reality is they needed a new move to try and take his blow out. because they were getting destiny, i think i lost them like 16 megabyte tanks on the grounds. they lost

a thousands of troops, lots of people. and the way the looking at it, you could see lots of people were appointed hospitals with amputations, lots of other serious military ending injuries. and while these role isn't reporting at stake, as you can see, there's a lot of damage being done. they need to cease fire to recalibrate with the united states to take out one of the biggest threats to them in the region. the threatened upfront news protecting our people across the region. and what you're going to see is there's going to be resistance in the end coming up in syria from siri. and people wants to duff cells because they're not gonna accept this new minutes in the regime that's going to be put in by head. why didn't i buy something like the only way to send you the way back? and then the next step is randy occupation on where that is. that's the most important. that's exactly where i want to go. yeah, daniel, this will be a new occupation and oh, in the meantime everyone that is real is going to wrap up the west bank if you know what i mean. okay. but serious is there any doesn't exist as a state it's, it's,

it's, it's been partition. we don't know the lines right now. i don't know how the the, the americans and their curtis allies are going to do with air to one. um, but all i know for sure, daniel, is this going to be a lot of chaos. it's gonna last a long time and it's going to be very violent. daniel, a lot of the us is pretty good, the chaos you mention, and it'd be earlier. we see how that's worked out and they don't care. i mean, in a sense, the h t us as an after thought, i mean, they're, they're a convenient uh, a tool. but i mean, i think on, you know, the real action was right after they run least, as my colleagues said, here wasn't destruction of any ability of syria to defend itself. mean, i think that's the real action here, and it's such a great point. i don't think it's a coincidence that it happened right when the so called cease fire was signed, they had to get rid of the supply lines and make sure that his blog could not be resupplied and ended simply destroyed serial completely. you know, the notion of gas lighting isn't, is a very important one, and i'm glad my colleague brought it up because that's exactly what's happening

with the united states in the us house of representatives. you have the feelings, like representative joe wilson, who all the years i was on the in the house as a staff or he would go down and make floor statements. and every single floor statement every single day was we will never forget 911. well, who is $911.00 joe? that was al qaeda is running siri. joe, i'll call you back. and he's the one now calling for an in the all sanctions again, syria. now that l card is in control, this is the level of intellect, of people who run the united states in our us congress and the white house. the stanley, obviously israel, the united states and their allies feel very much in bold. and i mean, there, they are there and they're dizzy by success to use the phrase here. i do worry that there's a hubris is going to kick in. and of course we have a ran on the agenda. it's always been on the agenda and looking at the foreign policy, quote unquote expertise around trump. i worry that they even an,

a greater expansion of this. maybe because they'll, they'll, there is going to be the perception or ran is weak or solid. was weak around is weak. that does, that's a, that's going to be a very dangerous equation. stanley. well, the notion that we had to destroy the village to save it. yeah. is that the, at the heartbeat of the united states, you know, we were call vietnam, but it's the history of united states. what, what, what, what, what my colleagues have said, which is directly on point, is israel rides in the midst of may, it creates excuse, it creates pre types the, the flaps. it justifies the most for risk of attacks throughout the region. this is all about designing, disabling, and removing from the agenda, the resistance against the really occupation, not just in palestine with the destruction in guys that turning the west bank and the gaza and guys into the west bank. but this is about the river to the sea, expanding 3456 times. why does it any rhetoric with anyone and conquer?

this is about the united states and israel, of the adults who are the effort here is to, is to re, may have it is to dis, disabled this arm and to diffuse any resistance to, to, as my colleague pointed out, as well, at this point is the greatest concern for is real united states in the region for the longest period of time. it has been the greatest supporter of self determination, independence and freedom of arabs against what i called. we support lawrence of arabia increasingly now to the contest from brooklyn. so yeah, got it is absolutely right. any wives, they will arrive in the midst of may have web and serial palestine yet and everywhere it produces the pre tax. and who knows what the truck administration's kind of go with the apologists that are coming in from may, i'm saying, well, what we care about is our cell. whatever is in our own best interest. and i'm not distinguishing it from the democrats within now have the pre text to do anything and everything they with in order to safe side,

their own self interest because it's the and, and the out there is those our, it shows as long as, even if there were those types of problems? the reality of it is the us as long? no, yes, benefit has been may have the region and israel's, the ultimate, wherever it is, particularly about the disarming the attacks, the excuses, the rationality and powers and nothing yahoo. meanwhile, he goes to court room, it says i'm busy, i've got to go kill 10000 feet. did i? yeah, i say is if we go back to your new york, i mean, or they would, trump name's already been mentioned, your drum said, you know, a very long convoluted. i don't know if the or they called true it's uh like tweets anyway. um uh with um, from so serious about our fight, even though we just bought it. i mean, this is, this is not a good foreboding here. go ahead. yeah, i think the interesting thing was electronic is it's just unpredictable. right? so i think there's any predictive and that's why i think by and again, just by, for last month by and made this move. now dell, what heaping securing is. rails again the,

the american agend there in the region because he just doesn't know what trump is going to do. i'm lucky surrounded himself by with sinus of course the surrounded himself with people who we're going to who i'm hearing and the around here and, and the bring the arabs or whatever. but the reality is that he's so unpredictable . and this is going to be a sofa style government, no matter who appointments in any department, every decision is going to come from his got hit from the white house, whether it be on energy, foreign policy or whatever everything's going to come through him and his, his advisors in the white house, and that seems to keep an eye on right now miriam adults and his biggest donors both have the cabinet. she wanted with a 100000000 donation. she wants to westbank context. it's already being added. all of us here know that it's been antics since obama that you know. no one's started by never condemn that from his best time, as in boy did it even like a said the got to go on the heights officially as rails, you know,

you broke ground in a term hotel, you know? no. the american president has started the antics in quite and the old going to do is form of the attics it in the eyes, the well and the good that i would say there was an interesting good thing that could come from that by doing that, he's going to stabilize so many people's political position on homicides only europe will that lead is tell them the fact that they keep saying to that population for keep gas. so i can get populations. we believe in 2 states. we believe in 2 states. you know, we hope this comes through it, and so we can get a pricing. is that what if america who owns most of your effectively politically says, well, there's no to say what is to a song. i'm going to do macro. i'm going to do which awesome jeremy, are you going to do? what are they going to do? look at this point, or do you lose last most that domestic population who are pre existing weekly, daily, frankly, some states, what are they going to do at that point? they're gonna have to go against their american sponsor on this. yeah. what's that going to do against and really bold with syria, but the fact is population is deeply pro palestinian and it's trump takes away the possibility of 2 states. was that countries so i say i was the,

you're the 1st one i have you, you're assuming that democracy has any role in western you know, as soon as certain color exists because it doesn't anymore. i agree with you 100 percent, but it's not going to trickle up to a leads. and unfortunately, on this very contentious issue we've run out of time. i want to thank my guess and like jackson and in new york. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc and next time. remember, across the rules, the, the, [000:00:00;00]

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and military equipment. anyway, i do believe that bus to be a great us and e u military, a totals tens of billions of dollars will continue to show the power of partnership will continue to bolster ukraine's and forces by rushing them occasionally use that they need to defend their country. but where does this really go? and who decided to, um, a country that just being one of the biggest supermarkets of some other weapons for almost 2 years. the,