the ceiling is that of course go, mamma, cause that to me, answer. there's a bit of the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered, i'm peter level. for all intents and purposes, syria now ceases to be a sovereign state. it is in the process of being partitioned. a new international proxy war has been ignited in the region with no terrorist and power. when states disappear. so do people the cross i can syria and joined by my guess, stanley cohen in new york. he is

a human rights lawyer also in new york, if she's approx out. he is a former advisor to the middle east, peace and boy, and a political strategist. and in lake jackson, we cross who daniel mcadams. he's the executive director of the wrong po institute for peace and prosperity. gentlemen, cross sack rolls in effect. that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, danny. i'd like to go to you 1st because i need your help in understanding what's going on in syria because, you know, i been, i'm in the news business. it's my job to follow what people are saying. and i'm coming across these kind of strange narratives, like, for instance, the 1st one, syria has been liberated by brave freedom fighters. okay. it's one narrative. but all long sighted israel obviously needs to invade syria because the country has been invaded by dangerous terrace. i don't see how those 2 can coincide, and then there's a 3rd one. you will terrorists are not able terrorist anymore. they are actually are friends and willing to work with the west. do you have your favorite narrative

or do you have another one for me? well, here's another one for you. israel was israel, i'm a somehow able to bomb the hell out of syria knocking out every go tank and gun without killing a civilian. you haven't cause it can't bomb a single factory without the bombing of 10 hospitals and killing a 100, you know, individuals. so somehow there's a, there must be better targeting answer isn't there isn't garza or 11 on. but the of the whole thing is a far as we saw it about a week before the take over, we saw the sea. and intuitively assuming gets role as an adjunct to the c. i a and white washing and blow drying these terrorist event, hold up and live and turn them into wonderful freedom fighters, giving them a shape regard. good bar jacket. i add a uh, fidel castro, a beard, and boom, you're off to the races. here we go and not someone else to cheer a new flag to raise a new flag to wave. and the american congress, of course, is screening for sanctions to be lifted and more money to be sent. it's really quite amazing stanley because you know, this program which i've,

we've been following the, the proxy war, the dirty proxy war in syria from the very beginning and 2011 and will, is on this program and the guests that have been been here. we've always worried about the black flag being flown over damascus. that is the case right now. but the, the, the irony is there waving the cologne, the british colonial flag for syria. so yeah, another layer of absurdity here. is that the choice? i mean this out, the west is chosen to side with terrace over an authoritarian regime, which of course, that's what it's how it was. go ahead. sadly. well, israel's notion of the, from, from the river to see is increasingly the, the hudson river and of the atlantic ocean of the united states is the difference between freedom fighter and terrorist and the global morris. and in the west is who went on this from day one has been part of the orchestrated efforts by israel, the top of syria. that's tough, 11 on a to destroy completely eradicate um uh,

palestine and young. and this is part of a grand effort that goes back and look, i'm not going to minimize the rights as participants and the ad spring, 20 years ago, or 18 years ago, whatever. there were lots of young women is mad and stood up and said, we're not gonna, we're not going to bend over to western prophecies anymore. yet over the years, the west of proxies have just said, you know, let's just take it ourselves. and now we have the grand example of israel, the united states, the west stepping up and say, syria, you don't exist anymore, you're now part of the greater is really a buyer and is real. a name of saving people will drop 60700000 pounds of bond is correct. it's much more targeted because the purpose is different. garza wants that they, they wish to levels are completely destroyed and syria, they wish to just take control of the blessing of job. i'm in united states. what

we see unfolding in front of us is making a mistake about is, is, is the screen has been removed and the west towards proxy israel, as now said, we own you were taking you were coming for you. while the west of the world reduces this through, oh, they're rescuing millions of syria and some quote unquote guitars people that to a large degree had been funded by the west of and supported by the west. move engaged in service activities for the longest period of time, and that's on folding while cnn n. s. and be say, another mainstream media chair and say, oh, it's the freedom fighters, the as well as any of our goods. yeah, because i sure you see if i go to you in new york, i mean, you know this, this, this term designating someone a terrorist. i mean, i suppose now given 911 of the global war on terrorism, the, the, the designation and terrace is not behavioral. it's political, right? right. i mean that we uh pick and choose who we want to be terrace, depending on the weather. they support the united states interest. so not,

you know, i've long since working them, at least the families office alone advocated the homeless shouldn't be a service organization visible. i shouldn't be a service organization. fundamentally, jonathan powell, it's the good friday. we negotiate the good friday agreement. the, the u. k. was to agree is that these people sign for their own territory. so we the finding them as terrorist is just through our political gains now, these guys, they are a group of, uh, idealogues who want to tear. uh, do you want to increase them some form of his antics state of his area and they're willing to take american money to go to they, they're in the definition of what we would think us error as best you know, as long as they help the west interest, we're going to let them run right. get on a state that's thousands of years or better is um, you know, got more history and most of your events, you know more and, you know, i, the other thing that frightens me with this is guys taking back on your other colleagues clients. it's just like stick over and over again. you know, this is,

this is the west clubbing up in england. say that like me think when they were colonizing the middle east and the rest of the world or how they see fit, you know, they're going to give talks of it to israel. that is relevant. and we'll take care of a given the terrorist a little bit of a region so they feel like they have their room stay intact. he's taking the tall, you know, and then they going to do this full under the guise of freedom, right. and hasn't everyone that often causal ready that you call and trust the western media on the narrative, just spend 14 months listening to them to this is rose, defending itself. when the young in america had to go to tip talking instagram to find that wait, hold on. there's a genocide happening right when people walter march, because they're seeing the images themselves. so you come and see them. and we're sitting there watching these images, and some people have gone backwards and decided ways cnn showing us freedom. it must be true. it's, since it's a, it's a joke. and then you've got johnny, i think your colleague pointed out, you know, he's standing there in

a what could be in his radio, texas uniform and his head, charles, blah, from taki, all dressed up like was the lensky. and they gave them an interview on cnn. this is a guy who's in the wanted, what this guy's on the watch list, they didn't give an interview to sing. why? well, honey a to justify their actions of resistance. when they should have been at least tanya, who was the political spokesman of, i'm a student who never got those moments on an american national network. they've done everything they can to create a propaganda channel and, and narrative, but they will see fit to divide the palestinian movement. that's the key here. yep . it's running to the people who are from other middle eastern backgrounds or as the arab countries who, what you know to your point. freedom for those other people is whether it be necessary in other regions to pull off the palestinian bandwagon. there's focus on their arm issues yet, but they're not even ashamed of their hub pockets. seeing that's what i find really quite fascinating. you know, daniel, if it, at some point in time, i mean, obviously i started out rather facetiously with these absurd narratives that are in

circulation. but when there is a zionist agenda, american had gemini agenda and a new ottoman agend. i mean, they're bidding or not, these are not going to work. this whole thing isn't going to work out very well. daniel, a, quote savings, a confluence of interest that causes one policy action. you know, in this case they're, they're, they're diverse in for us. that, as you say, cannot work together, it's impossible. but you know, what's, what's disturbing a peter, you know, for at least for me is that i've was, i've been wrong about sir, we're getting, i should've known better. but you know, all of these years where i thought after they had had the district cream and we had everything sort of bottled up in it lab that there was some piece, you know, we, we saw some, you know, some good signs on the ground. but all the while the us itself was hollowing out the country, you know, the seas are active of 2018, which completely in store the economy stealing all the oil, stealing while the wheat. i thought that was a side joint. in fact, it was a central piece and all the while you have this cancer,

this growing and getting stronger, and it would live in all of a sudden with a binding foreign policy having 4 and 4 years of absolute disaster. they re, they feel that somehow this is going to be their crowning achievement. they screwed up, everything else they've touched. and so what do they do? they strike the root, knock out the cancer in this cancer spread throughout the entire country, which i didn't realize the extent to which had been completely hollowed out. and i don't know if this is true, but i saw a chart yesterday saying that in a syrian era army soldier made about $5.00. a man where as an aged yes, wider made about 2000 dollars, month one who was paying those $2000.00 a month? yep, absolutely. you know, stanley, i said in my introduction that um, when states so it can disappear. so do people again. i've never been, this program is never been this that the celebration that work is never been a cheerleader for assad. he's gone good residents as far as i'm concerned, but minorities did continue to exist, may be harshly. but i don't see that happening right now. it live is already been

brought up, the president of it, but even western media, the bbc deutsch, avella reported on the oppressive nature of it live. now we're going to get that written large stanley. and so what, what we're going to say is there's the i, c, j repeat, re got to come out and get, we're going to see what, lots of righteous indignation, lots of claims, lots of allegations about a, about what is real, is doing what the united states is doing with western kind of words, they're doing what so called as long as terrorists are doing it. meanwhile, you're going to see millions of people spell it out. and united nations will often buffering rather than screaming you out with right. just indignation of selling for immediate cease fire, spoiling, for just this one. just wait for united nations to have to send another 200000. so for peacekeepers in the heart of serious to control who can go where, who can go when the name of peace. but meanwhile it's, it's, it's always been and will continue to be the name protecting weston interest. and the name of protecting is really in prison. the name to protect and the global

north under it's, it's excuses after excuses experience. what is, what is really pay me the last few days, you're seeing millions or the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of syria and returning to the country. people on the ground cheering, hoping for the best, wishing for the best, expecting the best. and we know what awaits and meanwhile, every day is real is doing a new bomb and you're on. every day in the united states is sending more rockets in every day. they, they, that the aspirations of millions of people who lived in a, they ask for up or 20 years now, day by day with some fumbling around, sadly hold that thought, because we did, we have trip. we have libya all over again except for on steroids. gentlemen. i'm going to jump in here, we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on syria. stay with r t. the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just

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. okay, let's go back to a she's in new york and i tend to be a pessimistic and pessimist when it comes to these things here. the lightning speed in which this happened in syria for reasons that we have all that already talked about. i do worry that this a new offensive can be started in lebanon, and actually in rack as well. i think this lightning speed events is going to be much longer. and, and daniel has already brought, brought it up at the, by the ministration. quite literally wants to leave with a bang. go ahead in new york. a. yeah, a con. separate what's going on in syria with what they've been doing for the last 14 months in gauze. the west bank all this time. you know, this is business to buy the ministration, trying to wrap up, frankly, as much as they can because the uncertainty of will could come next to trump and they don't know what his agenda will be, whatever he said how,

but they still just don't know. so they accept a ration of this was definitely to them brought on the bite and they wanted they didn't know what his position on his side would be with some of the people he's picked into gary positions. so they wanted to expedite this as quick as possible and remove aside and create an environment, the israel to continue its aggression in the region. right. you cause separate any violence in the middle east from the 76. yes. the israel has existed in the region and what they're trying to do is to around 11 on the to the biggest strength is rather since by like at least the direct conflicts, right. and they turn this around 11 on so they can actually take is blah blah from all sides. and that's why the ending is the israel. continuous land grab is going to go something like $6.00 to $7.00 times the size of gauzy. they've taken already from syria. they bones were 200 to 400. strikes across the steering, i guess, because the steering country stands base taken out all the defenses, whole imagery capabilities, the navy there um the air force or leaving syrians to pass. and also, by the way, there is going to be a future syrian government, whatever it looks like,

whether it's uh these guys here or the people, they go to the defense that's against any, is there any right hose and well spent the last, the week, effectively dismantling all this defensive capabilities against that i remember is very and people have the right to defend themselves and much as israel claims that right right now, as well as breaking solar and territory to take that and, and also just estimate the infrastructure now is where i, i think the united states is helping israel surround lebanon, so they can say kit is one of the major chess pieces of the board and his beloved and hopefully finally take them out from that perspective. now the reason is the last so pivotal is unit is i believe that the a is a lot and the math and this point of finding effectively for the survival of what we think is uh, you know, all right, because if this, if this way of a behavior that is rather is putting out the united states supports the gas line on the seeing globally. this is going to be on, you know, more with the us. and israel of the us can go is any country decimated gas. ly s

and pretend that they've given people frida and they'll protecting the country or defending an ally. and the reason, the reason his loss and pull and know how much the important right now is they are holding a weight of a menu normal back by continuing to fight against israel and continue to fight against the united states. because there's frankly, a direct war at this point. so it taking throughout. so payments sold to them so they can surround here's the lots of take. yeah, i think one of the most what you've seen the direct consulate as long as the real on a israel. nobody knows how to bone people and civilians and human beings from the sky when they had direct conflict in southern lebanon as ro is getting as off handed to it. and the reality is they needed a new move to try and take his blow out. because they were getting destiny. i think i lost them like 16, an estimate tanks on the ground. they lost a thousands of troops, lots of people. and the way the looking at the you could see lots of people were appointed hospitals with uh, amputations, lots of other serious uh,

military ending injuries. and while these ro isn't reporting it, stay as you can see, there's a lot of damage being done. they need to cease 5 to recalibrate with the united states to take out one of the biggest threats to them in the region. straightened up, frankly, was protecting our people across the region. and what you're going to see is there's going to be resistance in the end coming up in syria from siri. and people wants to duff cells because they're not going to accept this new minutes in the regime that's going to be put in by head. why didn't i buy something like long, but essentially no way that i don't know can except is randy occupation on where that is? that's the most important. that's exactly where i want to go. yeah, daniel, this will be a new occupation and oh, in the meantime everyone that is real is going to wrap up the west bank if you know what i mean. okay. but serious, is there any it doesn't exist as a state it's, it's it's, it's been partition. we don't know the lines right now. i don't know how the, the, the americans and their curtis allies are going to do with air to one. um,

but all i know for sure, daniel, is this going to be a lot of chaos. it's gonna last a long time and it's going to be very violent. daniel, a lot of the us is pretty good. the chaos you mentioned have it'd be earlier. we see how that's worked out and they don't care. i mean, in a sense, the aged us as an after thought, i mean they're, they're a convenient uh, a tool. but i mean, i think on, you know, the real action was right after they run least, as my colleagues said, here wasn't destruction of any ability of syria to defend itself. mean, i think that's the real action here, and it's such a great point. i don't think it's a coincidence that it happened right when the so called cease fire was signed, they had to get rid of the supply lines and make sure that has the law could not be re supplied. and they did simply destroyed syria completely. you know, the notion of gas lighting isn't, is a very important point, and i'm glad my colleague brought it up because that's exactly what's happening with the united states in the us house of representatives. you have the feelings, like representative joe wilson, who all the years i was on the in the house as

a staff or he would go down and make floor statements. and every single floor statement every single day was we will never forget 911. well, who days? 911. joe. that was al qaeda was running siri. joe was higher and he's the one now calling for an in the all sanctions again, syria. now that al card is in control, this is the level of intellect, of people who run for the united states in our us congress and the white house. the stanley, obviously israel, the united states and their allies feel very much in bold. and i mean, there, they are there and they're dizzy by success. the use of phrase here, i do worry that there's a hubris is going to kick in. and of course we have a ran on the agenda. it's always been on the agenda and looking at the foreign policy, quote unquote expertise around trump. i worry that they even an, a greater expansion of this. maybe because they'll, they'll, there is going to be the perception or ran is weak or solid. was weak around is weak. that does, that's uh, that's going to be a very dangerous equation. stanley. well,

the notion that we had to destroy the village to say that, yeah, is that the, at the heartbeat of the united states, you know, we were call vietnam, but it's the history of united states. what, what, what, what, what my colleagues have said, which is directly on point, is israel rides in the midst of may, it creates excuse, it creates pre types the, the flaps. it justifies the most for risk of attach rob to read it. this is all about designing, disabling, and removing from the agenda, the resistance against the really occupation, not just in palestine, but the destruction and guys are turning the west bank and the gaza guys into the west bank. but this is about the river to the sea, expanding 3456 times. why does it any rhetoric preventing more than time? this is about the united states and israel of the adults who are the effort here is to re, may have it is to dislike, disable, disarm and to defuse any resistance uh to, to,

as my colleagues pointed out as well. at this point, there's the greatest concern for is real united states in the region for the longest period of time. it has been the greatest supporter of self determination, independence and freedom of arabs against what i called. we support lawrence of arabia increasingly now to the contest from brookwood. so yeah. got it is absolutely right every why they will arrive in the midst of may have web and serial palestine yet and everywhere it produces the pre tax. and who knows what the truck administration's kind of go with the apologise that are coming in from may, i'm saying, well, what we care about is our cell. whatever is in our own best interest. and i'm not distinguishing it from the democrats within now have the pre text to do anything and everything they with in order to safe side, their own self interest, because it's the, and in the out. there is those our, this, those are as long as even if there were those types of problems. the reality of it is the us as long. no, yes, benefit has been may have the region and israel's,

the ultimate, wherever it is, particularly about the disarming the attacks, the excuses, the rationality and powers and nothing. yahoo. meanwhile he goes to court room. it says, i'm busy. i've got to go kill 10000 feet. did. yep. i say is if we go back to your new york, i mean, or that would trump name's already been mentioned, your drum said, you know, a very long convoluted. i don't know in the are they called fruits like tweets anyway? um uh oh um, i'm so serious about our fight, even though we just bought it. i mean, this is, this is not a good foreboding here. go ahead. yeah, i think the interesting thing was electronic is it's just unpredictable. right? so i don't think there's any predictive and that's why i think buying again just that for last month by and made this move. now. del heaping securing is rails again the, the american agend there in the region because he just doesn't know what trump is going to do. i'm lucky surrounded himself by with sinus of course the surrounding

himself with people who will get it, who i'm hearing and the ronnie are and, and the bring the arabs, whatever. but the reality is that he's so unpredictable. and this is going to be a sofa style government, no matter who appointments in any department, every decision is going to come from his got hit from the white house, whether it be on energy, foreign policy or whatever everything's going to come through him and his, his advisors in the white house, and that seems to keep an eye on right. now miriam handles and his biggest donors both have the cabinet. she wanted with a 100000000 donation. she wants to westbank context. it's already being added. all of us here know that it's been an expense, obama that you know, no one's started by never condemn that comes to us. time is in boy. did it even like a said the got to go on the heights officially as rails, you know, you broke ground in a term hotel, you know? no. the american president has started the antics in quantity. all that going to do is full of the attics it in the eyes. the well and the good this is i would say

there was an interesting good thing that could come from that by doing that, he's going to destabilize so many people's political position on homicide. only europe will that lead is tell them the fact that they keep saying to that population for keep gas. so i can get populations. we believe in 2 states. we believe in 2 states, you know, we hope this comes through it and so we can get a passing is that what is the america who owns most of your effectively politically and says well, is that, can you say, what is the song going to do? macro, i'm going to do a child soon. jeremy, going to do what are they going to do? look at this point, or do you lose last most that domestic population who are pre existing weekly, daily, frankly, some states, what are they going to do at that point? they're gonna have to go against their american sponsor on this. yeah. what's that going to do that against? didn't really bold with syria, but the tech, this population is deeply pro palestinian and it's trump takes away the possibility of 2 states. was that countries so i say i was the, you're the 1st one i have you, you're assuming that democracy has any role in western you know, as soon as certain color degrees because it doesn't anymore. i agree with you 100

percent, but it's not going to trickle up to a leads. and unfortunately, on this very contentious issue we've run out of time. i want to thank my guess in like jackson and in new york. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc and next time. remember, across the rules, the, the release of russian states never as tight as i'm one of the most sense community. best english. i'll send, send up the in the 6595 and speed. what else? suppose question about this. even though we will then in the european

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the issue is nancy and welcome back to doing underground rule costing you around the world from you a all tied to is backend this time with a country aided by nature with strikes, caesar sanctions in the us occupation, vital energy and food regions, bus or our last side. so that'd be agents. if you have damascus for asylum in moscow, even nature subsidized zalinski sent soldiers to help outright or in need live. this week, the package flag is loaded with pacific valley and the level of the one is invaded in the north, killing. c, i a back to goods. nature won't be as well as copied well in syria and invaded from the south and destroying supply line for palestine by 11 and nature. probably gotten a mediator of to fix chemical attacks is anxious to be trying to rehabilitate a move of how many l gilani knows his real name as the president of syria. the terrorist with a tony blinking $10000000.00 bounty on his head is already done an interview just like you crazy. the dates of the landscape. the cnn. an ice is now probably the leader. he was tortured at abu ghraib by the us. first of all,

during american soldiers in iraq, as his genocide continues in palestine, netanyahu james israel secured the black flags, devices flying over the ad mosque in damascus. in chicago is professor john measure . i'm a co author of these rel lobby and u. s. foreign policy and how states think the rationality of foreign policy prevents about trying to thank so much for coming back on going underground. i guess 1st your reaction, the victory of the united states and is rarely neutralizing palestine facilitates a turkey and bathing in the north israel. as i said from the south, russia losing its military bases. presumably we can talk more about the china, the end of its belt road as far as its ports in the west. yeah, i mean there's so many implications of what's going on as a result of the collapse of syria that it's hard to know where to start. i mean,