holland spend the collapse clearly doesn't solve. many of this fundamental problems done by syrian arrow republic has accumulated over the last couple of decades. if anything is made down the canals, if not deadly. in this areas, faith we can buy here is, are 5 being likely to survive and if not. and what else is likely to be drawn into the widening regional board tech's own destruction or to this concert i'm now joined by towards almost the on your political analyst. and host of seriana analysis. mark is a great to have you this evening. thank you very much for taking time to talk to us . it's amazing to be richer. thank you very much shout. i know that to yourselves does something negative was in the works when the so called ramble started advancing on a lat pull and beyond. but what was your initial reaction when the, your heard the news of the arm is defense as collapsing and the president fling the country? actually, realistically speaking, it was very difficult for the insurgents represented by the stomach circus on army

end, automated in groups to concur multiple hama homes and almost causing that much of a few days. it is mathematically impossible for them. so there are decisions after decisions being given by the higher command in the syrian army. we don't know whether a president, a former president bush auto sat, has given that decision or not, or the defense minister of the chief of stuff. however, the decisions for a given for the soldiers to retreats from other people to hama. and if i'm come out to homestead from home, so that most goes on dental, laid down their arms and almost goes. so this gives us the indication that there has been a deal a political deal in the background that we are not yet aware of it. off its details . however, it seemed that there was a bigger compromise, bigger than syria itself, and see that couldn't resist this compromise or push against it. therefore they have accepted it. however, the outcome of it is that now we have

h t s which is international initiative terrace group. and other, do you how to groups have ok part of the carpet? the last almost goes about speaking about these potential deal. and we don't know if that's the case yet. i remember back in 2013, i spend a lot of time on the ground in cedar. one day is this integration of just began out of that time. there was a clear intention on the part those serious international allies, including a wrong russia to prevent the construct from going down building be on track. and that the intention was clearly absent this time around. why there's things serious elyse or former allies who knows student by as the country was falling into. while you can say in the darkness, we know that this decisions were made to retreat. and this indicates that a political decision, i mean, is that a decision were given to the military to retreat and decided to start it after the

secret meeting between or unannounced. let me think, let's say, between president former president of charlotte sites and present putting into kremlin and this was 2 weeks ago. and after she arrived in the us coast, it was clear that from the way 30 to, to start to, to happen from how much of the home sometimes to almost goes that there was no will and decision have to fight. and the army was leading down to arms and to be truth thing without fighting against these insurgents. which means that there was a deal being broken, at least to be transferred to a shaw and the united states and israel in, in syria, in order to implement the either the us on our course. or do you end up as additions in order to provide, let's say, a new opportunity or implement the decision which could lead into elections. but this was the worst outcome that we could ever imagine because replacing what the mainstream press calls and many also i do, i know, told me to be under the team with

a c or can i see it's not the progress i've heard the number of iranian and russian a source is blaine by charlotte, thoughtful and being stubborn and decisive, and on the way of perhaps unable to strengthen the country or from went in and cultivate sounds sort of understanding with his opponents, both within and outside the country, including some of the bill for his, by the trick as president, one day thing preventive came from being perhaps more proactive or flexible in this regard. i think there are multiple issues here, one of which is the domestic factor and the domestic fact that i agree that president i saw that i was not flexible. and former president was not flexible. and you should have been more flexible, at least with occurred with the currents, india. so shut off the freight is. and it mean you had made, let's say, a normalized, almost the size, let's say with the curves the insurgents with i've had less chances to conquer the entire city as they did though. so this is, i agree. but however, on the 2nd part which is on the regional level,

what was the expectations of it on and the restaurant from syria. they were expecting for us to meet with air down and they have exerted maximum pressure to against. i saw it during even the last elections and checking to meet with the gun and shake hands with him. and for the for our president, i thought he thought that the meeting with the gun has to be foot. why are you going to meet? is it for, for the sure thing? no, you have to agree, at least on the principles of negotiations with could, which could lead into a positive outcome for both sides and area are going to be fused onto the last day to send a formal commitment to eoc and the restaurant. and those were the mediators between syria and cherokee. that's at the end of the political process, he would withdraw his process from syria. he never vote that he never wanted to draw from syria. but now it's even worse than this situation. it's a real situation because now turkey will certify in my opinion, i live for like they did in tare, which was the scan that one belonging to syria. i think turkey is

a major victor of this conflict in syria a few days ago in your role. that regardless of not only failed to protect syria from for an intervention but abandoned the country to darkness and be trained to everyone who believed in him. his cup of choice and it wasn't just in betrayal. it was a humiliation. now i emphasized strongly with your bitterness and even more so with the perio real peril of the people who are 11 behind. do you think uh former president could have handled his departure differently if indeed there was some sort of a deal and green behind flows, doors a defendant today and there is no doubt about that. and the 1st question i was asked by the jim administer impressed when they wanted to see near me they said, what do think about? i saw then i said, i don't mind whether it's a side or them. how much or alley, or george? i don't care about the names i expect from the president to respect his

constitutional duties and to fight against it for him back insurgency. and if he fled the country and 2012, for example, when he received lots of offers to desert and go as a lead for g to different countries. if he accepted that i would have called him a treasure as what. but now after 14 years of war and giving the help to the people that at least the outcome of this conflict is going to be more positive. and after lots of misery, devastation, and can inc and to many casualties. and many people believed in him that at the end of the software being there is going to be a positive outcome, excuse me, try the oldest principles and he left the country. now, syria is an open are enough for all, for any intelligence, assuming, i mean it's completely destroyed the syrian infrastructure of scientists. we have over many, many assessing nations happening in the country and mass exit solutions in the streets. i think he left the country and took a us and he left the country into the hands of the bark forces, especially issue. yes,

he's without at least guaranteed that the state institutions and the army would not be touched because the army they possess, the backbone of new state. and if you destroyed the army, then the country would become like a, just a country with police and israel as a neighboring country. and israel has the expansion is the desires in the region, as you can see that okay, fine. now largest plus i've saved in territory, so without any resistance thinking about us out, i think it's natural to in politics, to put all the blame on one 1st analogy, and i think it's perhaps just defined, but to be fair series of very complicated country in a very difficult region and a part of me is not surprised that either hospice out on the side or bush trying to solve it. i mean, the way the dell with the challenges that's perhaps not the best way of dealing with it, but i'm not sure the, the, the forces that came to replace them. we'll do a better job. what's the orientation here?

definitely to force us replacing came, are going to create and allow me to light state at the beginning and a will to start to infiltrate all the state institutions and to the rest of the country. or let's say other communities, other religious sects, it is, it is they were sent themselves isolated or overwhelmed by do strong for us who is elected to see that is going to be the democracy of the majority over the minority . and this is, i present it all by the nominations for the transitional government. and the head of the government isn't, is lemay as and she's a dislike of the if somebody seems to be just behind him. so i think i could have avoided all this speak would have come to the people and said that there is a deal, and our size is political science has become smaller than it used to be a few years ago. our economies impactors and we give up my alternative. so the prime minister, he leads a transition of the area. we hold elections and i live at the country often wants

because i have become a divisive feeder and american. so i don't to lifting the sanctions and i want for my people to try and reconstruct and i won't, i don't want to stop in the way for the construction. and then he leaves at the same time, to a sorry to the people. anything about the living like this is this lots of questions because his personality is not like that. i follow to him close the for the in the past is very stubborn. his strong personality, therefore leaving like this, if it it, if the shutter is all the helps and the picture that he has established for himself in front of the people who believed in him. now there have been a number of drinks from use in the western media when they had to find out that said, i'm strong on board with how much are delani, who started off as a radical to had is. but if you look at his interviews right now, she mentions you know, such things as building institutions and the need to sort of base governing decisions and reality. i know that and he was younger in years he started public

relations. do you take this sort of references to the institutions as a p r, a tactic, knowledge and perceptions of the west and public? or do you think he may have indeed changed their views after his years are fighting? i mean, i'm how many to drill down. it says this was just a phase like in the game of phase or somebody joins some code 6 a his. i mean, when i was younger, i wasn't a declaring to have them killing people in iraq or else are based on their religion or based on their religious beliefs. and that's impossible for someone to recover from this type of georgia tech. so lots of and let's say the radicalization and i think the 100 south federal i need it's, it's quite obvious that the 100 software, giovanni are the democratic wing of the deep states in the us. and they are even feeding to him certainty. and then all the just to use like in use more inclusive now, or he wants to administer the friendly, and he is a rebel. he is

a becoming 3 formed, etc, etc. and if you'll give them a few more months, they would call him like an ally of the engine between the 2 community. because this is how the democrats do, basically this is a and also you will see in the future that they really use the minority dues. the christians as make up for cosmetic reasons, in order to say, like, like the democrats to, we have one woman into cabinets, or we have a black person, or we have a transgender person. this is how they are going to treat them. i normally do sincerely. i like they are they cool? they could, they are as, let's say, make out for there is some is kind of that off the government. but sooner or later people realize that i'm not to you. i criticize that. that'd be enough. in my opinion, i'm not defending us, so that's all about the replacing assault with the as is not only going to change the political discourse. i've seen it is going to change to civilization. i'll discuss, i'll save you and everybody who was proud of $7000.00 a year of civilization. they have put on this civilization in the hands of people

who do not the respect in the country. they despise the civilizations who passed through syria and they believe in a one color society. we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back to this conversation in a few moments section. the,

the, the welcome back to worlds of parts. we can work on my son, joe political analyst and host of city on analysis. now let's talk about the geo political implications of the power change and say ran. we have already mentioned iran and russia, which neither of which came to serious defensive this time around. now, what is different this time from a day can ago, is that both investigations have consider considerable military challenges of their own dealing with various western proxies. do you see this case as them essentially prioritizing their own defense as their own resources or perhaps a, as a case of letting the west have it's so cold victory. um, you know, take it away from here and deal with it,

or actually your site is already in an existential conflict and you will create and i think we did the upcoming 0 set ministration. the, it would be cool down a little bit to conflict in ukraine and if the russians were playing, um, lets say chests with the us. i'm just putting myself into shoes off an, a russian, uh, additional decision maker. if i can guarantee my navy and the naval base in, in talk to us and in the exchange, the americans would face the call sick in ukraine or allow, would i show to keep the territories that it has to be something the next? i think this would be much more ground for the americans and the restaurants in syria. on the other side, do you have any? and so i think they are one of the biggest losers of this conflict and seeing that because they're being tired, investment in the past. let's say 14 years in syria has gone in vain. the how the investor so much media trimming the economically and to contract to keep the culture impact about also because of the importance of syria in what it used to be called the axis of resistance. however, after october 7, when it's ready, went on

a rampage and smoke bent open to slaughter housing cause or they have complete the i need to a, to the entire infrastructure in gaza. therefore the might will be and they have already come into the genocide in part because they are destroyed and ethnic group in part or in whole, in gaza. and thomas has been a week and a lot. and as well as the entire leadership is gone, the law here is destroyed. many, many religious are destroyed in the south and without a syria has when that becomes a local player. because his will obviously is it's most of its weapons to syria or from syria. so in the supply chains are kind of as well, it becomes a looking player. so now your hands, let's see, allies in the region who are part of the stuff, is this this weekend or replace because syria is gone, therefore is, in my opinion, is going to be the biggest nozer. and the biggest winner in this region is going from insurance to answer if you will, replace you dollars in full months in, in syria. and in the south is right basically is what is to be honest with you. i

don't think there are any victories. once i am right in this uh, whitening conflict and what comes to mind sir, is um, you know this, there is a, this phrase in english i think owing its origin to one of a so scrambles, you know, be careful. whatever is for less that come true because we saw and we be under the toppling of government not only failed to benefit the domestic population, it actually is found to benefit the sponsors of the cool and they were later punished very, very heavily. but i know that i'm wishing that upon the sponsors over the area code. but anyway, i want to ask you, how do you think the west, which is why them a celebrating it's victoria right now, how this thing the united states, israel and the european union are likely to deal with this issue. i think they are very, very happy with the outcome of this conflict for so for the u. s. has secure to do security at the off. it's a client state in the region which is right in this case. and it has also

secured the return of many of the features from turkey to syria. and also most importantly, the opinion cartridge, which were very worried about the escalation and coming off. and you will be for just now they can also send back the people who are basically supporting this h the s. but the iron is that is the s e is on the list of the terms list of the d u n. d united states. and they are celebrating the, let's say, the replacement off, i'll start with a terrorist organization basically, which gives us the impression that all these lists are worthless. they are just for political use. and they can also use service groups in order to achieve their 2 upon the different goals. and once they have each that they would, they wouldn't turn their back against or $90.00 to $90.00 is a dead man walking. they always tell him sooner or later like they killed the body or killed the summer beloved and they would troy as by the end to of course,

and then say that he disappeared off. well, let's get a warrant with all due respect. i mean, they can, you know, assassinate as many leaders as they want. but, you know, this region is all in read the, you know, a ball waiting a human ball and waiting to explode because you mentioned many of the tobacco and conflicts in iraq and syria, in gazda and 11 on people are on that. and it seems to me that you know, a couple of assassinations are not going to solve, you know, a tremendous social problem that has been created somewhat say on purpose. and that's the reason one day thing. i mean the, so this type of process initials are just cause methics again, like assessing everything back to the id or giovanni or we send our beloved in have days top the i do a lot, you know, because we have allies of the us in the region they are trying to decide to look at their support thing, decide eulogy. what is the ideology off h d s? now what is it to us? the, are the most refund? done? those are fun. is the off shoot off. ok the so who is giving the cash money yesterday, one of the former in my 6 office so says that every h t. s. member,

i think uh, receives around $1000.00 per month. so who's paying for it for them to begin with? it's got start, everybody knows it's paying the money is coming from tops and cuts hard is a major non nato ally in the it's, it's a classification in the us department. therefore, the tending people will not solve the diesel off terrorism in the region, but try to solving the root cause, and that is the ideology. and when you close the funding of the scripts, they want to stay in minority in any society. we have crazy people, but when you would give them weapons and you train them and then give them the logistic of learning, intelligence, support and financial support, of course they will overcome the government and take over the must goes. and these people in syria, they don't enjoy the support of the vast majority of to see it. and people about the p. r is very strong, the funding is very strong. and now celebrations that i see on tv. and i wonder,

what are they celebrating for now? and you mentioned it turned to k u. c as one of the biggest winners for now, at least on the on car support for the as long as groups reach, power and change in damascus raises once again the historical issue of the kurdish independence and creation of a separate curtis states. perhaps. now in sarah, but also with implications for the larger region, given the minority is the larger uh, furnace minors and both in turkey in iraq. how do you see this issue evolving this thing uh, turkey can um, properly to what it has bitten all the time was because by the, in my opinion, the when data is going to be, if turkey launches, i mean, it should be all sensitive against occurs that threatens the existence of the occurs in is to shut off the freight is. i think the kurds will rely more a more on the americans and they would open up. most of these are areas like they

did in northern iraq. and i think this is the plan. the plan is to put these communities under immense threats in order for them to accept the american and curtis and these riley protection. and the case is similar in as the way the govern notate installed on syria where it is populated, mostly by the do is people and the jews have a strong presidency into occupies going on heights. and up until this one month is ready. so i've always sending a message to the drawer saying, look, if you attend by this, it's not missed. we can protect you, we can give you an access to the golan heights. so in the future we will see definitely the minorities and defend to, let's say, new cities and nationalities are coming under immense security pressure. and this will be an opportunity for the us and israel to present themselves as they have yours to this mine on it is like they did with the as it is well support that will support that isis from 2013 on 2016 where isis was selling its own, basically for the nato country, right?

so they weren't receiving cash money from a nato country. and when they started committing a genocide against the cur, the curves as it is christians, the americans came and said, this is a war against terrorism. and they have multiple largest ones i've seen, and therapy of those terrorism is an opportunity. and for the us for an important subject is because it allows them, it gives them that perfect justification to intervene. meanwhile, their intelligence cups up these type of groups into each other. yeah, but the americans, as i'm sure you know, have a traditional way support in the go to curtis groups in, in syria. and you know, what i'm looking forward to is the, is the way present area go on and present child relate to one another because they have both of them. they have a rather mercantile, have hard bargain, and perhaps somewhat the risk approach to foreign policy. i'm not sure they with risk found that you either or pressure premier well, what do you think about inducing for a case pursuing uh its own political designs right now,

or it isn't doing the american bidding actually induce or offensive particularly offensive from atlanta, which led to the entire occupation of syria, i believe that this was a bold move by air down because air to go so that in a few weeks, if trump comes to power, when he comes to power, he wouldn't impose certain compromises in the region. and she wanted to conquer land in syria and improve his position and when the time for negotiations come in the near future. so i order on his soul, the fine disposition on the negotiation table. but at the end of the day when the time for a compromise comes, for trump, if he wants to withdraw from see that he doesn't mind. if not, i don't see the eyes. okay, pipe by the turks or by it occurs for him. what methods the most is that this region would be relatively, i'm saying the stabilize so that the influx of the features with not to be also to europe. but at the same time, once there is a trip against the kurds from detroit decide, because certain people also plays at the game like the americans, if they play a double game and a trip,

then the existence of the kurtz is to shut off. the faith is the americans and the west and is where they will present themselves as a protector and all savvy are off the coast. so both sides are benefiting from the situation. americans, the church, and the europeans. and the only people, as you mentioned, paying the bigger price of the saving people because there is no victor in among the sea and people seem as lost as silver entity. and they lost that completely. they don't have even an army to protect the country any longer. how can you rely on a country to build? so would it be that savvy? but if it doesn't have a it, an army which can secure is border. is it silver entity? this is 101 in political science. without an army, there is no strong culture, especially in the middle east, which is a jungle. i think the problem here is not only the absence of the army, but the absence on the stable resource base. i'm. i'm sure you would agree with me . that's washington. i was undermining this. they also have the government by stripping it on the oil revenues from the syrian oil fields that the americans are

occupying at this point of time. do you think that's likely to change? because whoever comes to power in damascus, they will have to have some sort of a restores base. and i say you can't on the wrong, the country on, on the revenue that the mosque was receiving. at this point of time, i truly the americans look at by 50 percent of syria's or the energy resources and also the whitfield. so they have the food basket and also the energy basket in their hands, and they have black minutes, sir, for a long time, for a compromise in exchange for giving back the oil and the wheat fields. i think in this case, since this, the oil fields are in the hands of the currents and the americans, the americans, we try to secure this one fits for the currents. because if the codes are going to declare a federal system or to separate from the rest, i'll see that they will also need the oil to function properly. but i think this is going to close the work between the, the curtis on, let's say,

enclaves and turkey. it says, so the situation is very, very difficult. people who think that this will end what this called the civil war in syria. it's not going to, and it's really only exasperate the conflict and syria. people may think that this relative piece that we are witnessing today is a positive thing, which is, but on the longer on, it will only increase the pensions ethnic tensions. so really just tensions and fight over resources, especially the oil fields. and this will lead into further destabilize ation of the region. something that we have been witnessing in the past decades. the bar then concord, a strategist, seems sized speak of sex people. a 120 years ago, debates and the french divided this region. and now the american started dividing it once again, because this is how the rule in order to impose your supremacy and hit your money under age. and you have to divide the region into this for ethical lines 12, but the sooner or later the accounts important where you cannot divide it any longer because there is nothing left to be divided on. well,

on these various i'm very know we have to leave it there, but thank you very much for sharing your analysis with us. thank you so much for having me. and thank you for watching hope to see her again on the was a part of the since world war 2, united states has fostered extremist anti russian prejudices and hatreds among the

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