it's a remarkable phenomena of how the united states purportedly wages these was on terror. but then when it's uh, politically convenient, it turns around and the very same people that it's a deemed terrorist that either put a balance on the head held to be moderates and pro west them and uh, and, and useful allies in the war against tear up. so in the case of a giovanni, the remarkable thing is that he's made a verbal assertions absolutely the deem to be valid as indications of, of what his real views of on math are. so, um, because of, oh yeah, well, he's renounced, there is no, no he's, he's broken without. ok. the now over a, he's now it's a know you're moderate. and then when you are as well, or what have, you know, all this well because you're set so uh, this is james of is being or at least is trimmed is being a little bit. um and so,

you know, leave the way the media of presenting a media. what was that just acting as miles basis for government? is that the people who are val taken over say i'm of the good guys. this is somehow kind of a, a revolution of people's in the spring time of people's and, and the bad guys, which is the, or is e moved by the said they've, they've gone, the prisons are open and democracy is flourishing. and this is quite a remarkable thing because a sub who had been a secular leader and who had been a so of the terrace, is deemed as being deemed by the us government to be a state sponsor of terrorism. again, is based on nothing other than you ever go in the united states. you know, we've never, you ever gone with, they don't find people at the state sponsor of terrorism, and now we get a, a taylor state. it is actually always though, that that's right. so over

a little these are these, these are people that go guys, and now we're ready. we're hearing that the united states and the united kingdom. want to remove this, the, then the terrorism designation from july, me and um they, you know, they, what they're talking about, how the already they putting out feelers. so diplomatic recognition is a, is it the heading of the, you know, they have to store near you, but they won't recognize the taliban? no, it's quite interesting in afghanistan. well, in diem and george brought up the operative word designation because, you know, being designated a terrorist or terrorist organization that's a political decision. it's not a behavioral is ation decision because the behavior h t s is very well documented all through the west. i mean, and george pointed out, yes, the prisons are being opened all across syria, but i have the prison has been opened in edward. i don't think so. all right,

so you know, demon, this is a see change again. they want us to believe white as black, black is white, up is down. okay, this is remarkable. and in vain enough roland was never interviewed signal or was never interviewed. but this guy from h d. s. well, you know, he's made for tv, apparently became a well last time the prison was federal funds. they was the lead beer in the style . we do have them. and somehow all of these, all of this but respectful people. what out of prism liebherr follow themselves in syria? uh, basically if i do, we go as ever called motor rid of those sancho. they just had the unfortunate trend as all like. you've lived in west of georgia. i suggest you just type in your, your computer. the hordes, well, espandone is keeping up in syria and you will see that none of them are failed by

uh, the acid machine. the whole, uh, they were all uh, account hostage by j show as well. uh by jump cut or lose dry. oh, these goals, the rest of he did the time is one is still going to is ations, which door themselves room. okay. the and which 5 uh the big pictorial. easy. so uh, i mean, the uh, the western governments with their jubilation above the full washer of loss. uh, they remind me of the children who set the house was on the far end instead of thinking how they are going to get out. uh they uh, get into each of the meg, just worked in does blue. uh, you know, the fall of the, uh uh, you know, the, the person was supposed to keep the house and all that is not when was cool. so it's been in just excellent. you know, that's what we hear from the west breakdown. you know, you know, in church, i mean we're, we're, we're by nature sit next year, but you don't have to be

a subject understand recent history. i mean, this is what happened in iraq been turned into a cauldron of violence, but you know, cycle after cycle after cycle. we saw this happened in libya, but this time it's going to be different really, george, the way it goes to the end. but the reality is that the, the united states and the west in general is, um the, uh, the empire of calles they, this is the policy. this is what is deemed successful. if you create tales then essentially becomes easier to rule. you can just simply, you know, set up a military base without bothering to ask anyone's permission. you can borrow on any country you like without bothering to ask any of this because right, well, there's no government to whom am i going to consult? and this is really, the goal is really what this, what was done in iraq is a real government in iraq. there's no government in libya,

and there's going to be no government in syria into which is already becoming clear . what's happening with turkey is calling out a, a slice where it's so it's pushing the loop because these forces are out in the game. it will continue to push the code is forces away from the borders of the car . it's going to have their own little providence particularly, but, and whenever the tugs the, the appropriate that will bomb this little province. united states will do the same thing on the, we're going to expand it to their presence in, in, in syria. and of course, israel is doing the same, which is also increasing its presence is going to file be on the golan heights, which i think it had illegally an x. so that's the goal. the goal is to have no functioning state of the tool puppy the propaganda which you get in the, in the me. that is, is the somehow the united states, as a business of promoting democracy, was the bill of to advocate and then saying,

well, how can you be promoting democracy when you're promoting and increasing into power terrace? how can you be promoting stability when everything you do is get to was undermining the legitimacy. and so for him to do a little far as it of the establish governments of course, of, as it did, you know, this is, this is the propaganda line. but by once you destroyed any semblance of stability, then you pretty much get to do what you like because well, what, what else can we do? we did, we just have to do whatever we feel like doing and it the in game at this point in time after the mass and bombardment of it by some sanders, kind of an unprecedented up to 45500. solve those destroying, you know, they say to them the, as rarely said military infrastructure, i look at that is infrastructure, okay. that makes, or they don't really want to make sure that it doesn't become a functional state. speaking of this, well, i mean,

they made it very clear to this new government h t s, and its affiliates a and, and, and groups around it. as long as they don't have a relationship with the ran they, we can deal with it. so there's nothing to do with ideology. i thought, you know, you know, being the, the west was fighting the scourge of, of terrorism. but now i mean if there's a black live next door in the country and in damascus, and there they are, they're not friends with has belong and um around and it just hunky dory with us. it's really amazing and there's no there's, there's no intellectual problem. this here is just ra, a violent power. the ma. well, it's indeed absurd. but let's look, uh, what happens after that terrible 7 look told the attack against israel by from us. there was absolutely no evidence that you're on this blog where in any way informed about this or that they support the basement. ok, where i'm that israel sponsor to destroy gaza,

which was of nature once he passed over there at the end by home us. yes, his lo uh declared its sort of dary de and blah, blah blah. but the generally speaking every span of the pep on the 7th of october and later left to the increase in the power, always red. and then the ball always functions everywhere. never know those graft uh, uh, partially on days ready with the syrian down that was weakened and uh, finally basically uh, august it, uh, this one is resolved in march everywhere. now in the middle east, and there is not a shred away that you're on, which is an enemy, over all the most of them brothers, what most of them, brother, what is connected to come us by a lot of documented links. so what do we see is basically on, on for the alliance, what's the world? and these wrote together with the swim is a gaze circular machine around the world and against strong congress. i mean, uh,

whatever you say about the rock, it gets a strong stable, got a country with a, with a centralized guns which controls territory. the same can be said about pressure about china. and somehow these countries inspire such a fate that you know, the west, you know, uh, east rome is libya, just not as far as its actually took uh, when the, when the syria was equally becoming useful. still the beginning of the civil war will that the west just the load up, you know, the action. so the soak or 3 syrian army, which turned out to be basically the goal here later to took in, oh, you know, add on that note a meant to be, you were speaking about around a good to preserve and sovereignty. and freedom of movement is inevitable in my, in my opinion, they will have to go for nuclear weapons that we go out. the escalation letter, gentleman, that's all the time we have for this part of the program. i'm going to jump in,

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welcome back to class i, bull horns, were all things are considered on people about. i would switch gears george rack in budapest here the trunk policy when it comes to ukraine. well, it had its iterations during the campaign. and i think most normal observers, observers would say that's paula taking, that's campaigning. you know where he used to the bluster exaggerations and particularly from a man known for bulk. ok, donald trump, and now he's the crunch time is coming because he, you know, he promised to solve this issue very quickly. one day, well maybe it was and now it's kind of change on the day after becomes president, there is the loving act. i mean that would be illegal if temporary, lo, negotiating now and they would hold it, hold it against them. but it, george, you mean we already heard the trump wanting to invite the chinese leader she to the inauguration and i suppose respectfully,

but chinese declined and now maybe just bring food in and zalinski to the all know if you ration georgie's or not serious people. george: no, it's not. i mean, so we, we go through these interviews and trump has been giving quite a link to the interviews and gave a um, an interview a few days ago to time magazine with a name to him, person of the, than the he had given a long interview to meet the press and, and he's always pressed on this question of your praying. and whenever he speaks essentially, you know, people can come out and think one thing or the other. so you get the people when they who believe who hope the trunk will just simply bring this more to an end. and just simply say that's it. you know enough already. it's, it's time to call it a day. they can read things in there and say, look, trump said that it's

a big mistake to have bones. uh, russia you know, uh, in deep inside rough to general traits. that's dangerous escalation. trump said no, no, no, but that, that's a really bad idea. so we have low trumps of the dangers, escalations preventive. other times they say hey, but look a trunk. this is said, the zalinski is ready to make peace. it's time for put into response. so there's a high low, it is so easy to trump is clearly indicating that it's built in, which stands in the way of these nodes, the landscape. so you know, you base your money and you take your choice, what, what do you want to believe? i mean, if they want to use this common sense, i think you will put forward a base plan, something along the lines of, of what do is being written by a catalog. what uh the j d vans into that um, in various interviews during the election, freeze the conflict in place. um, but also the nathan nathan membership or ukraine into the in depth in the future.

and in the meantime, you know, send ukraine, everything we've got, you know, just use it as a kind of a single aircraft carrier. oh, that's the thing though, to be the plan. i don't think it's going to be acceptable. so why the side? and so then the question is, which weight is from good to go? i mean, if it's unacceptable, you either gibbs up. oh, he blames one side or the other. now, given the consensus and begin watching them, i suspect that he's going to blame russia as a, it's a, it's russia that stands in the way of these. yeah, because in, in these interviews also he said he, oh, the us would not a band and ukraine. so you can add, gotta do with it as well. what does that mean? i don't know, you know, deem of the problem. and we've spoken about this so many times. the problem with a trump piece plan, a trump piece initiative, a drum ceasefire. you know,

the whole lexicon, but there's a little problem called the heavy talk to the russians, yet, about with any of this. see, that is the problem. you know, i will date myself in george. george has recently celebrated his birthday. we remember the, you know, more we remember nixon's negotiations with um, uh, with um, with the, with vietnam in pairs. and george will agree with me. the war was raging on as they were negotiating. okay. and that is usually how negotiations were a tough film with these does not come to an end. negotiations happen during hostilities. and this is something that trump administration is avoiding. not aware of, i mean you have docked in sebastian gorka out there and a lot of other low walk teen thinkers. so i have no idea what to make of all of this. and i really worry because the famous phrase is it takes 2 to tango and

how i see is trump tap dancing. go ahead, deem or oh, or i think there are 2 main groups here. first, there is a very hostile media. you live in either states and in western europe, which will try to bulk any talks, especially secret thoughts between the united states and russia. i mean, you can imagine what price period where i work here. do you think is there, there is something like that going on? i mean, even the us is shown how much of the stains it to europe and allies during all this . and that's just my kind of putting out there. you know, i, as i do have several people who took part in the back channel negotiations where we experience back channel negotiations between the soviet union as the 9 states. and they will say it's very young is that there's absolutely no evidence of that that there's not a single travel. and 2nd, do we have a capable negotiate to solve them

a site? i mean i read the book by a keys. kyle: it's not already he's already put in trouble was quoting from april this year, but also his book story. he's just kind of glad to pro he full of old problems. never gifts which are simplistic like uh by the soft bluegrass. and that's why the tragedy in your brain crap. why not? it was not soft. i'm actually curious. thinks like, obama was never a friend, always wrote, but she dearly loved you wrong. well, can you tell me and are the lie? you know, one of the little blades of lie that, that uh so uh do we have people uh can negotiate on the other side. that's a good question and they're a teacher the problem. it's absolutely colonial, like christmas i would just like to do the job there. why don't we have the 2 tribal tribal chief danes meet themselves? okay. may be with the mike, you know,

grace no problem for them. they will cc to wise people. i will look them up in the room and everything will be result. you know, she does look treat task as so siegel are people, you know, who also have programs. we have a, uh, i would say, care guide people sometimes. uh she is like, uh no, it's simply fine everything. uh and suggesting simplistic solutions to people like a trump here more than by the because by that was just unable to suggest a key line before they do. oh gee, was declared, profiting during the abs. and when, and which was ready to supply any amount of levels to your grain or to anyone who can, who can you think damage or rush it we're trying to that's the more dangerous sports . uh so we are in a very, very precarious situation. like, oh, it was all really cool. is that use a colonial mind? the bear, you know, mr. trump?

us all the more. so, george, is that what we talked about in the 1st part of the program? what, what conclusions as nato land job wellness lee, in my opinion, syria is weak. yes. area was weak and it fell. ok. the right hand must be weak. russia must be weak. okay. this is the, this is a narrative. they're going to run away. but they fail to understand how, in this case, how russia views the conflict. now they looked at what was going on after the end of the 1st part of the proxy war and serious. i bet you guys haven't finished up this is i'm out and going. conflict and the conclusion, i think the russian side is going to draw is like, well, this conflict in ukraine has to be result. it doesn't have to be that there won't be a break. there won't be a pause. it must be result. that is the biggest danger that we have as the truck

people try to grapple with us because they're not taking that on board. they are looking for applause. george, i, i think is right. i mean, i, i think that's the only conclusion that russia can draw from what happened in syria. and of course, what happened earlier in the ukraine, you know, with, you know, stopping, but as far as the, the agreement between younger co which and the opposition for the less postponed elections for 6 months. and then, and then also is the the ministry agreement, which is, well, if you just let things simmer the west is going to move in unexplained the pause and seek a whatever advantage you can get it immediately. and the west was very open about this. i mean, when it will remember when john mccain and lindsey graham, you know, used to make these threats to gay evans at this is the year of reckoning. we're going to, you know, love everything with god, with the russian. so in russian news as a level,

it makes very little sense. the phrase, the conflict in place is spelled it unfreeze anything. i mean it's, it's basically like a fine wisdom that you get the data is absolutely. let's use the next 5 years to, you know, make you grand as strong as possible. and then we saw the everything up again in the, in 5 years. look at the speech that was delivered a few days ago by the new nato secretary general margarita, who declared that we need a, a war mine. second later. you said we've got us think of, we are in the war. and you know, we're going to increase our military spending to co low levels because the world is more dangerous than it was during the cold war. is it what kind of a no. is that? but that's the, there was a rhetoric coming out of, of, of need to and then, and then you also have them and give them the oversee concerns. among some them,

which is the europeans that trump is going to pull the plug on ukraine. so there is now the talk of a new contact group. this is, this is the, the, the, the man was likely to be chancellor of germany in february fredericka, mallets. the cd usually that you want us to create the contact group. and they to, to make sure that there's no abandonment of the ukraine. a contact group comprising germany, france, and poland. so, you know, that was it was, we have the most belligerent states to me to make sure that the, we keep this will going so filled with the russians and you're looking at this, the why, why would just agree on anything. i mean, what, what would be the point that email just george teed it up for you. i mean, what, why would the russians even be remotely interested in any of these ideas? i mean, and if, if the europeans are preparing for a lot of war,

a long struggle will rush, it has to react to mean a name again. and i always supposed to be very interesting is they treat rushes as some kind of obstruction isn't like some kind in a vacuum or something. obviously they're reading the signals, the money. but this is precisely the reason why uh, rusher for the gold uh for the um, solution in the 1000. the 22. uh, opportunities for uh you go stations very exhaust. yeah, i mean the west which is a regular support. uh, h t s against the secular government, syria. the west wage supports easily ill destroy in tens of thousands to children and the elderly people in does that. how can you negotiate with these people have and also look at these people who use it for years. we've heard from the european union country spike. we don't fight, we are on a ours is of peace and secure against them. walk through to says we must what all

of our we just don't know 14 where inside. if i read more, you know, we, we don't want to spend the time that there is an option name refuse to entertain. it's called diplomacy. we'll see. like, i firmly believe ukraine will be a real headache for donald trump. all right, that's all the time. we have only thing, my guessing, budapest in here in moscow. and of course i'm gonna think it'd be worse for watching us here. are to see you next time. remember russell's, the, [000:00:00;00] the,

the duplicate stories deal them. uh, mostly movies. zip leslie, news, you said, you know, jeez, jim got a key role of who i'm assuming these people don't lose some of the no, no go commercial versus foaming. soap assume if i give us to be a senior printed the song. was the rest of it as easily as before. it must be the end of the war visited with

the gemini breakthrough for early elections off the tongue for the actual lose is a confidence both he himself free good. it was told that he's to him is government co addition collapsed thing last month saying no to brussels. the key is home loans, policy, post the independent politics as it is an end to the use sanctions on russia, on to a new libya like this is awesome. that's what a wrong zone by the in damascus says, lies a head for syria. i met with liz, liz folding quite as well as washington's coal single terrorist groups and the front tooth nation. the