with the lease rest, hyatt to warehouse on terrorist group, and our control is damascus and cnn, try to re brandon's vh t. a said chief is a full my, i'll call you to an ice is 5 to is a revolutionary rebel. otherwise, to not lose the bad, similar coverage. what do you make of these washing attempts? i mean, for me personally, as somebody who far along side sitting at an army could dish versus introduction peacekeeping and military forces each is against the dies. i am deeply concerned about this. i fought against also what i had talked about shot and these are the kind of deleted groups of this upfront in the region for this is a very, this, the, this is a crime. this is a prime to white wash. this job is to somehow bred them as liberators, as the bringers of freedom, as revolutionaries. this is absolutely insane. i'm fearful of part, the christians in the region. the through is the lights, the minorities are, i'm fearful for the entire rich cultural and the religious legacy. here and i

believe, as we know from the past, that the u. s. has consistently supported and funded the most ruthless of these sell a fee. and what, how did you, how does groups starting back with the, uh, with the, which i did not get it sent against the soviets, in a way to promote their own goals. so that's what we're doing here. they're saying that he has his there's what he's saying. so speaking to us, 1st of all, ali international secretary of the american communist party. thank you. thank you. if you'd like to read more on any of us stories head over to our website, all t dot com, it's always great to have your company here and on the international bye. so now the what else seems wrong. just don't

you have to shape house and engagement equals betrayals. when so many fund themselves will depart. we choose to look for common ground the the welcome to cross that full range were all things are consider 9 people about divide ministration. 60 deal is age. this is a terrorist organization, is the west, normalizing terrorism. also, does anyone have a clue? what trumps you claim policy is to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess towards that. meanwhile, we in budapest is a broadcast where the guys will, which be filed on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we crossed to dimitry,

bob, which is the deputy for an editor. at comes the most proud that daily our gentlemen cross, that girls and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. but it's kick it off with george in budapest. and it's been an amazing week of george and a in history, and particularly in looking at the proxy war and syria that we've been covering here very closely since 2011. the so called error spring, which i've always called the sunni winter. and i think that's being confirmed. now, i will remind you george and our viewers. remember the term moderate rebel was very popular term for a during the dirty war, which joe biden, when he was vice president, a deflated that by saying the truth, which of course he got into a lot of trouble for it, but making a mistake and the foreign policy realm in the west that isn't held against you. joe biden went on to become president. that's a long preamble too. so we have this term monitoring terrorist is,

are we supposed to buy in to the states? this is on everybody's list is leader has a bounty on his head by the no less the us government for 10 $1000000000.00. and now he's all dressed up like zalinski in damascus. of your thoughts, george, re, you'd be summed up perfectly. be the but it's a remarkable phenomena of how the united states purportedly wages these was on terror. but then when it's politically convenient, it turns around and the very same people that it's a diem terrorist and they put a bouncy on the head, held to be moderates. and pro west them and uh, and, and useful allies in the war against terror. so in the case of the giovanni, the remarkable thing is that he's made a verbal assumptions. absolutely deemed to be valid as indications of,

of what his real views on, on math or so this of oh yeah. and what he's renounced, there is no, no he's, he's broken without. ok. the now over a, he's now it's a know your model or a and then when you want to go over what have, you know, all this? well because the set, so this is james off is being or at least is trimmed is being a little bit. um and so you leave the way the media presenting an immediate what was that just acting as miles basis for government? is that the people who are without taking that was the good guys. there's this is somehow it kind of a, a revolution of people's in the spring time of people's and, and the bad guys, which is the, or is e moved by. so i said they've, they've gone, the prisons are open and democracy is flourishing. and this is quite a remarkable thing because a sub who had been a secular leader and who had been a so of the terrace,

is deemed as being deemed by the us government to be a state sponsor of terrorism. again, is based on nothing other than you ever do in the united states. now we've never, you ever go with they don't find people at the state sponsor of terrorism, and now we get a, a taylor state. exactly. always though, that that's right. and so over a little these are these, these are people that go guys, and now we're ready. we're hearing that the united states and the united kingdom. want to remove this, the then the terrorism designation from gilani. and um they, you know, they, the talking about how the already they putting out feelers. so diplomatic recognition is a, is it the heading of, you know, they have to store near you, but they won't recognize the taliban? no, it's interesting in afghanistan. well in diem and george brought up the operative word designation because, you know, being designated

a terrorist or terrorist organization that's a political decision. it's not a behavioral position decision because the behavior h t s is very well documented. ult to the west. i mean, in george calling, you know, just the prisons are being up and all across. serious. but i have the prison has been opened in a good. i don't think so. all right, so you know, demon, this is a see change again. they want us to believe white as black, black is white, up is down. okay, this is remarkable. and in vain enough roland was never interviewed signal or was never interviewed. but this guy from h d. s. well, you know, he's made for tv apparently became well last time the prison was federal, but it was in libya in the style. we do have them. and somehow all of these, all of this, but respectful people. what out of prism liebherr follow themselves in syria. uh,

basically if i did, we go and they were called, molder la, rid of those sancho. the just had the unfortunate trend as all by keeping that in western dramatists. i suggest you just type in your, your, your computer, the hordes. well 1st and just keeping up in syria and you will see that none of them are held by uh, the acid machine. what they like, oh uh they were all uh, the accounts listed by j show as well. uh by jump cut loose. uh oh. these goals, the rest of the day at the time is one is still going to is they show which doors themselves room. okay. the and which 5 uh the pictorial. easy. so uh, i mean, the uh, the rest of the government's with their jubilation above the full washer or loss. uh. they remind me of the children who set the house was on the far end instead of thinking how they are going to get out. uh they, uh, get into each of the meg,

just worked in does the, uh, you know, the far, the, well, you know, the, the person was supposed to keep the house and all that is not when was cool. so its, it's been in just excellent, you know, that's what we hear from the west right now. you know, you know, in church, i mean, well, we're, we're by nature, so next year, but you don't have to be a subject understand recent history. i mean, this is what happened in iraq been turned into a cauldron of violence, but you know, cycle after cycle after cycle. we saw this happened in libya, but this time it's going to be different. really, george, the way it goes to the end. but the reality is that the united states and the west in general is um the, uh, the empire of calles they, this is the policy. this is what is deemed successful. if you create tales then essentially becomes easier to rule. you can just simply, you know, set up

a military base without bothering to ask anyone's permission. you can borrow any country you live without bothering to ask any of this because right, well, there's no government to whom am i going to consult? and this is really the, the goal is like what this, what was done in iraq. there's a real government in iraq. there's no government in libya, and there's going to be no government in syria, which is already becoming clear. what's happening with turkey is causing out a, a slice where it's so it's pushing the leave because these forces out in the game, it will continue to push the code is forces away from the borders of the car. it's going to have their own little providence. but that could be but, and was never the tugs the appropriate that will bomb this little province. united states will do the same thing on the, we're going to expand the presence in the, in, in syria. and of course, israel is doing the same,

which is also increasing its presence is going file be on the golan heights, which i think it'd be tied to illegally an x. so that's the goal. the goal is to have no functioning state, the tool propaganda which you get in the, in the meet it is, is the somehow the united states as a business of promoting democracy well stability advocate and then saying, well how can you be promoting democracy when you're promoting and increasing into power terrace. how can you be promoting stability when everything you do is get to was undermining the legitimacy. and so for entity on those are the of stablish governments, of course, up as it did, you know, this is, this is the propaganda line. but by once you destroyed any semblance of stability, then you pretty much get to do what you like because well, what, what else can we do? when did we just have to do whatever we feel like doing and it the in game at this point in time after the mass and bombardment bitten by some say i'm just kind of an

unprecedented up to 45500. solve those destroying, you know, they say, and they, as rarely said, military infrastructure. i look at that is infrastructure, okay. that makes, or they don't really want to make sure that it is that it doesn't become a functional state. speaking of this real, i mean they made it very clear to this new government h d s, and its affiliates a and, and in groups around it. as long as they don't have a relationship with the ran they, we can do it. so it has nothing to do with ideology. i thought, you know, you know, being the, the west was fighting the scourge of, of terrorism. but now, i mean, if there's a black flag next door in the country in, in, in, in damascus. and there they are, they're not friends with has belong and um around and it just hunky dory with us. it's really amazing. there's no there's, there's no intellectual problem this here it is just ra, a violent power. the ma so well, it's indeed absurd. but let's see what happens after that terrible 7 look told the

attack against israel by from us. there was absolutely no evidence that you're on this block, whether in any way informed about this or, or that they support the basement. oh, okay. well, usually i'll stop at to destroy guys, which was of nature wants us over there at the can buy home us. yes, a, his lo uh declared its sort of dary de and blah, blah blah. but the generally speaking every stay in the pep on the 7th of october and later laugh to the increase the power always row. and then the power always runs everywhere. never know those graft. uh what uh, basha there on days. ready. once the syrian down that was the weekend and uh, finally it basically uh, august it, uh, this one is resolved in march everywhere. now in the middle east. and there is not

a shred away that you're wrong, which is an enemy, over all the most in browsers. what most of them brother, what is connected to come on by a lot of documented links. so what do we see is a basically on, on for the alliance. what's the role that these wrote together with the swim is a gaze circular? it seems around the world and against strong congress. i mean, uh, whatever you say about the rock, it gets a strong stable, got a country with, with a centralized guns which controls territory. the same can be said about russia, about china and some so these congress inspires such a paper in the west, you know, uh, east around this lead me, i did not despise search. great. uh, when the, when the city i was speaking to become a useful still the beginning of the civil war while that the west, jeff so low that you know, the actions of the so called receive an army which turned out to be basically goals

are related to to a kid. oh, you know, add on that note a meant to, but you were speaking about a rant, a good to preserve and sovereignty and freedom of movement. it's an ever role in my, in my opinion, they will have to go for nuclear weapons. now we go up the escalation letter, gentleman, that's all the time we have for this part of the program. i'm going to jump in, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real need to stay with the if you think about russia, what does your mind picture the bottom landscapes open up before your eyes? the last one does,

can you imagine the, the discard starts the journey, the are you ready to come along the welcome back to crash like bull horns were all things are considered on people about i would switch gears george rack in budapest here. the trunk policy when it comes to ukraine? well, it had its iterations during the campaign. and i think most normal observers, observers would say that's paula taking that's campaigning. you know, we're used to the bluster exaggerations and particularly from a man known for a boat. ok. donald trump and now he's the crunch time is coming because he,

you know, he'd promised to solve this issue very quickly. one day, well maybe it was and now it's kind of change on the day after becomes present. if there is the loving act, i mean that would be illegal if temporary, lo, negotiating now, and they would hold it, hold it against them. but george, you mean we already heard the trump wanting to invite the chinese leader she to the inauguration and i suppose respectfully, but chinese declined and now maybe just bring pulled in and zalinski to the all know if you ration don't use are not serious people. george: no, it's not. i mean, so we, we go through these interviews and trump has been giving quite a link to the interviews and gave a um, an interview a few days ago to time magazine with a name to him, person of the year that he had given a long interview to meet the press and,

and he's always pressed on this question of your brain. and whenever he speaks essentially, you know, people can come out and think one thing or the other. so you get the people. well, um the who believe who hope the trunk will just simply bring this more to an end and just simply say, that's it. you know enough already. it's, it's time to call it a day. they can read things in there and say, look drunk said that it's a big mistake to have bones. uh, russia you know, uh, in deep inside rough to general traits. that's dangerous escalation. trump said no, no, no, but that, that's a really bad idea. is all we have low trumps of the dangers, escalations preventive. other times they say hey, but look the trunk, this is said, the zalinski is ready to make peace. it's time for put into a response. so there's a low, it is so easy to trump is clearly indicating that it's built in, withstands,

in the way of these nodes, the landscape. so you know, you base your money and you take your choice, what, what do you want to believe? i mean, if you want to use this common sense, i think you will put forward a base plan, something along the lines of, of what do is being written by a catalog. what of the j d vans in to that? um, in various interviews during the election, freeze the conflict in place. um, but also the needs and they to a membership or ukraine into the in depth of the future. and in the meantime, you know, send ukraine, everything we've got, you know, just use it as a kind of a single aircraft carrier. oh, that's the thing. go to be the plan. i don't think it's going to be acceptable. so why the side? and so then the question is, which weight is from good to go? i mean, if it's unacceptable, you either gibbs up. oh, he blames one side or the other. now, given the consensus and begin watching them, i suspect that he's going to blame russia as a, it's a,

it's russia that stands in the way of these. yeah, because in these interviews also, he said he, oh, the us with the band and ukraine. so you can add that with me as well. what does that mean? i don't know, you know, deem of the problem. and we've spoken about this so many times. the problem with a trump piece plan, a trump piece initiative, a trump ceasefire, you know, the whole lexicon. but there's a little problem called the heavy talk to the russians yet, about, and any of this, see, that is the problem. you know, i will date myself in george. george has recently celebrated his birthday. we remember the, you know more we remember nixon's negotiations with um, uh, with um, with the, with vietnam in pairs. and george will agree with me. the war was raging on as

they were negotiating. okay. and that is usually how negotiations were a tough film with these does not come to an end. negotiations happen during hostilities, and this is something that trump administration is avoiding. not aware of, i mean you have docked in sebastian gorka out there and a lot of other low walk teen thinkers. so i have no idea what to make of all of this. and i really worry because the famous phrase is it takes 2 to tango and how i see is trump tap dancing. go ahead demo. oh or i think there are 2 main rooms here. first, there is a very hostile media. you there and i, the space and in west and euro, which will try to bulk any talks, especially secret thoughts between the united states and russia. i mean, you can imagine what price period, right? work here. do you think is there, there is something like that going on?

i mean, even the us is shown how much of the stains it to europe and allies during all this . and that's just my kind of put no therapy of, oh, i know, i do have several people who took part in the back channel negotiations where we experience back channel negotiations between the soviet union as do 9 states. and they all said it's very out there. there's absolutely no evidence of that there, but there's not a single travel. and 2nd, do we have a capable negotiate to solve them a site? i mean i read the book by a keys. kyle: it's not the only he's already paid until he was quoting from april this year, but also his book story. he's just kind of glad to pro he full of old problems, never gives which are simplistic like uh by the softball grass. and that's why the tragedy in your brain crap. why not? it was not stuff brushy cheers. thanks like obama was never a friend, always wrote,

but she dearly loved you wrong. well, can you tell me and are the lie? you know, one of the little blades of lie that, that uh so uh do we have people can negotiate on the other side. that's a good question and their teacher, the problem. it's absolutely colonial, like christmas i would just like to do the job there. why don't we have the 2 tribal tribal chief stains made themselves okay. may be when the, my, you know, the race, no problem for them are they will ceasing wise people. i will look them up in the room and everything will be result. you know, she does look, treat task as says siegel are people, you know, who also have programs we have. uh, uh, i would say, care guide people sometimes. uh, she is like, uh no, it's simply fine. everything. uh and suggesting simplistic solutions to people like a trump here more than by them because by that was just unable to suggest

a key line before they do. oh gee, was declared, profiting during the abs and when and which was ready to supply any amount of weapons, feel grain or to anyone who can, who can you think damage or rush it we're trying to that's the more dangerous sports. uh so we are in a very, very precarious situation, but oh, it was all really cool. is that use a colonial mind? the bear, you know, mr. trump? us all the more. so george, is that what we talked about in the 1st part of the program? what, what conclusions is nato land job wellness lee, in my opinion, serious weak yes, area was weak and it fell. ok, the right hand must be weak. russia must be weak. okay. this is the, this is a narrative. they're going to run away. but they fail to understand how in this case,

how russia views the conflict. now they looked at what was going on after the end of the 1st part of the proxy war in serious i but you guys haven't finished up mrs . i'm outgoing conflict. and the conclusion, i think the russian side is going to draw is like, well, this conflict in ukraine has to be result. it doesn't have to be that there won't be a break. there won't be a pause, it must be resolved. that is the biggest danger that we have as the trump people try to grapple with us because they're not taking that on board. they are looking for a pulse. george, i, i think is right. i mean, i, i think that's the only conclusion that russia can draw from what happened in syria. and of course, what happened earlier in the ukraine, you know, with, you know, stopping, but as far as the, the agreement between younger co which and the opposition for the less postponed elections for 6 months. and then, and then also is the, the minutes go. dream is,

which is, well, if you just let things simmer the west is going to move in unexplained the pause and seek a whatever advantage you can get it immediately. and the west was very open about this. i mean, when it will remember when john mccain and lindsey graham, you know, used to make these tracts, the gay evans, and this is the year of reckoning. we're going to, you know, love everything with god, with the russian. so in russian news of this and level, it makes very little sense. the phrase, the conflict in place is spelled it unfreeze anything. i mean it's, it's basically like a fine wisdom that she could, the beta is absolutely. let's use the next 5 years to, you know, make you grand as strong as possible. and then we saw the everything up a game in the, in 5 years. look at the speech that was delivered a few days ago by the new nato secretary general margarita, who declared that we need a,

a war mine. second later. you said we've got this thing because we are in the war. and you know, we're going to increase our military spending to co low levels because the world is more dangerous than it was during the cold war. is it what kind of a not is that? but that's the, there was a rhetoric coming out of, of, of need to and then, and then you also have them and then you have them there obviously concerns among some them which of the europeans that trump is going to pull the plug on ukraine. so there is now the talk of a new contact group. this is, this is the, the, the, the man was likely to be chancellor of germany in february free doing some of the cd usually that you want us to create the contact group, the to, to make sure that there's no abandonment of the ukraine. a contact group comprising germany, france, and poland. so you know, that was it was,

we have the most belligerent states to me to make sure that the, we keep this will going. so feel with the russians and you're looking at this, the why, why would just agree on anything, i mean, what, what would be the point that email is george tv that for you? i mean, what, why would the russians even be remotely interested in any of these ideas? i mean, and if, if the europeans are preparing for a long war, long struggle will rush, it has to react to mean a name again. and i always supposed to be very interesting is they treat rushes as some kind of obstruction isn't like some kind in a vacuum or something. obviously they're reading these signals the money. but this is precisely the reason why the rush or the gold uh or the um solution in the 1000 to 22 uh up to 2 and it gets for uh the oceans very exhaust. yeah, i mean the west,

which is the range. it will support the h t s, against the secular government, syria. the west wage supports easily destroyed in tens of thousands to children and the elderly people in does that. how can you negotiate with these people? have and, and also looking at these people, use it for years we've heard from the european union country spike. we don't fight, we are on uh was just of piece of secure against them. but we would just as we must what all of our we just don't know what folding where inside the hybrid more, you know, we, we don't want to spend the time that there, there is an option named refuse to entertain. it's called diplomacy. we'll see. like i firmly believe ukraine will be a real headache for donald trump. all right, that's all the time we have on a thing, my guessing budapest, in here in moscow. and of course i'm gonna think it'd be worse for watching us here . are to see you next time. remember russell's, the

the for him. so what i just you it and then it's getting close to that. hey, i'm going to shift i should issue a and then i see at the most as a command, let's say skim projects. yeah. can we get to it from us? well, in there properly and you look at as prosecutors have come to the

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