the, the welcome to cross the bull horns, were all things are considered 9 people about the bite administration 60 de list h t s, as a terrorist organization. is the wes normalizing terrorism. also, does anyone have a clue? what trumps you claim policy is to discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess, george, send me while we in budapest, he's a pod cast worth a gavel, which we filed on youtube in locals. and here in moscow we crossed to dimitry, bob, which is the deputy for an editor and comes the most good problem, the daily or gentleman cross stock rolls in effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate products. kick it off with george in budapest. it's been uh,

an amazing week of george and a in history, particularly in looking at the proxy war and syria that we've been covering here very closely since 2011. the so called error spring, which i've always called the sunni winter, and i think that's being confirmed. now. i will remind you george, and our viewers. remember the term moderate rebel was very popular term for a during the dirty war, which joe biden, when he was vice president deflated that by saying the truth, which of course he got into a lot of trouble for it, but making a mistake and the foreign policy realm in the west that isn't held against you. joe biden went on to become president. that's a long preamble too. so we have this term monitoring. terrorist is a way, suppose to buy into the states. this is on everybody's list, is leader. as a bounty on inside by the no less the us government for $10000000.00. and now these are all dressed up like zalinski in damascus. so your thoughts, george, re,

you'd be summed up perfectly, be the, the, it's a remarkable phenomena of how the united states purportedly wages these was on terror. but then when it's politically convenient, it turns around and the very same people that it's a deemed terrorist that either put a balance on the head held to be moderate and pro west them. and uh, and, and useful allies in the war against tear up. so in the case of the giovanni, the remarkable thing is that he's made verbal assertions absolutely deemed to be valid as indications of, of what his real views on, on math or so this of, oh yeah, well, he's renounced, there is no, no he's, he's broken without ok, the now over a, he's now a know your model or a and then when you want as well, or what have, you know all this?

well, because the set so that is shaved off is being ordered, easy is trimmed, is being a little bit um and so you know, we, the way the media presenting an immediate what was that just acting as miles basis for government is that the people who are without taking a 2nd while the good guys that this is somehow kind of a, a revolution of people's in the springtime of people's and the bad guys, which is the or is the move back? the said they've, they've gone. the prisons are open and democracy is flourishing. and, and this is quite a remarkable thing because a sub who had been a secular leader and who had been a so of the terrace, is deemed as being deemed by the us government to be a state sponsor of terrorism. again, is based on nothing other than you ever go in the united states. you know,

we've never, you have a government, they don't find people at the state sponsor of terrorism. and now we get a, a taylor state. exactly. always though, that that's right. so over a little these are these, these are people that go guys, and now we're ready. we're hearing that the united states and the united kingdom. want to remove this, the, then the terrorism designation from july, me and um they, you know, they were talking about how the already they putting out feelers. so diplomatic recognition is a, is it the heading of the, you know, they have to store near you, but they won't recognize the taliban? no, it's quite interesting. in afghanistan. well, in damon george brought up the operative word designation because, you know, being designated a terrorist or terrorist organization that's a political decision. it's not a behavioral position decision because the behavior h t s is very well documented. ult to the west. i mean, in george calling,

you know, just the prisons are being up and all across. serious. but i have the prisoners been opened in a blue? i don't think so. all right, so you know, demon, this is a see change again. they want us to believe white as black, black is white up is down. okay, this is remarkable. and in vain enough. roland was never interviewed single or was never interviewed. but this guy from h t. s. well, you know, he's made for tv, apparently. lima. yeah. well, last time the prism spare, old that was the lead beer in the saw. we do have them. and somehow a little these old days, but respectful people who work out of prism liebherr follow themselves in syria. uh, basically if i did, we go and they were called mold or clear arrivals. somehow they just had the unfortunate kind of old by keeping them in west and drove this. i suggest you just type in your, your, your computer, the words. well,

espandone is keeping up in syria and you will see that none of them uh, works out by uh, the acid machine. what they like, oh uh they were all uh, the accounts listed by j show as well. uh by just cut the loose uh oh these i go the rest of the day at the time. this one is still going to is they show which doors themselves room. okay. the and which 5 uh the dig pictorial. easy. so uh, i mean, the uh, the western governments with their jubilation above the full washer a loss. uh, they remind me of the children who set the house on the far end. instead of thinking holiday, i'm going to get out. uh they uh get into each of the matches, worked in dallas blue. uh you know, the fall the, uh, uh, you know, the, the person was supposed to keep the house and all that is not when was cool. so it's been in just interested in me, you know,

that's what we hear from the west right now. you know, you know, george, i mean we're, we're, we're by nature sit next year, but you don't have to be a subject understand recent history. i mean, this is what happened in iraq been turned into a cauldron of violence, but you know, the cycle after cycle after cycle, we saw this happened in libya, but this time it's going to be different really, george, as well it goes to the end. but the reality is that the united states and the west thing general is, um the, uh, the empire of calles they, this is the policy. this is what is deemed successful. you create tails, then essentially becomes easier to rule. you can just simply, you know, set up a military base without bothering to ask anyone's permission. you can borrow any country you live without bothering to ask any of this because right, well, there's no government to whom am i going to consult?

and this is really the, the goal is like what this, what was done in iraq. there's a real government in iraq. there's no government in libya, and there's going to be no government in syria into it, which is already becoming clear. what's happening with turkey is causing out a, a slice where it's so it's pushing the leave because these forces out and the game, it will continue to push the code is forces away from the borders of the car. it's going to have their own little providence. but that could be but, and was never the tugs the appropriate that will bomb this little province. united states will do the same thing on the, you know, the, expand it, but their presence in the, in, in syria. and of course, israel is doing the same, which is also increasing its presence is going file be on the golan heights, which they did it had to legally annex. so that's the goal. the goal is to have no functioning state, the tool puppy, the propaganda which you get to live in the meet it is,

is the somehow the united states is in the business of promoting democracy or stability advocate and then saying, well, how can you be promoting democracy when you're promoting the toys thing into a pallet service, how can you be promoting stability when everything you do is get to was undermining the legitimacy and so free entity and offered the of stablish governments. of course of this, you know, this is, this is the propaganda line. but by once you destroyed any semblance of stability, then you pretty much get to do what you like because what, what, what, what else can we do? we did, we just have to do whatever we feel like doing and it the in game at this point in time after the mass and bombardment of it by some send, this kind of an unprecedented up to 45500. solve those destroying, you know, they say on the as rarely said military infrastructure, i look at that is infrastructure, okay. that makes,

or they don't really want to make sure that it be, can, that it doesn't become a functional state. speaking of this real, i mean they made it very clear to this new government. it's the s and its affiliates, a and, and, and groups around it. as long as they don't have a relationship with the ran they, we can do it. so it has nothing to do with ideology. i thought, you know, you know, being the, the west was fighting the scourge of, of terrorism. but now i mean if there's a black live next door in the country and in damascus, and there they are, they're not friends with his blog. and um, a random, it just hunky dory with us. it's really amazing. there's, there's, there's no intellectual problem this here again is just ra, a violent power lima to, well, it's indeed absurd, but let's look, uh, what happens after that terrible cervical october attack against israel by from us . there was absolutely no evidence that you're on this blog, whether in any way informed about this or that they supported the basement. ok,

well that israel sponsor to destroy gaza, which was of nature, once it boss, all of that at that and buy it from us. yes, his lo uh declared its sort of dary de and blah, blah, blah. but the generally speaking every stay in the pep and doug the 7th of october and later left to the increase in the follow lease row. and then the bar always runs everywhere. never know those graft uh what uh, actually on days ready with the syrian government was weekends and uh, finally basically uh, august it, uh, this one is resolved in march everywhere. now, in the middle east, and there is a lot to shred the way that you are wrong, which is an enemy, over all the most, num, brother fords, most of them, bravo, what the is connected to come mazda by a lot of documented, uh, links. so uh, what do we see is basically on,

on for the alliance, watch the world and these ro, together with the swims a games, said gallery jeans around the walk, and the games, strong congress. i mean, uh, whatever you say about the rock, its a strong stable, got a country with a, with a centralized guns which controls territory. the same can be said about pressure is about china and some. so these congress inspires such a fate that you know, the west, you know, uh, east rome is libya does not despise technically to uh, when the, when the syria was equally becoming useful. still the beginning of the civil war. well that the west, jeff so low that you know, the actions of the soak or 3 see of an army which turned out to be basically the goal here relate to to a kid. oh, you know that on that note a meant to be you were speaking about around a good to preserve and sovereignty. and freedom of movement is an ever role in my,

in my opinion. they will have to go for nuclear weapons that we go up, the escalation letter, gentleman, that's all the time we have for this part of the program. i'm going to jump in, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real news, stay with r k l look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings accept. we're so shorter to conflict with the 1st law show alignment of the patient. we should be very careful about visual intelligence . the point obviously, is to create a trust rather than fit the job. i mean with an artificial intelligence. we have so many with him in the a robot most protects his phone. existence was on the

told him the hollywood loved. now i was going to dream lives for dreams. come true . we have approximately 10000000 people in california that are risk of becoming on house look, good man pulls up somebody for working to 3 jobs and still not enough because the cost of living also has increased the coal bags and still by just last year alone. the amount of of homeless rose by 12 percent in california. the welcome back to cross i, bull horns,

were all things are considered young people about i would switch gears george back in budapest here, or the trunk policy when it comes to ukraine. well, it had its iterations during the campaign, and i think most normal observers, observers would say that's paula taking that's campaigning. you know, we're used to the bluster exaggerations and particularly from a man known for both. ok, donald trump, and now he's the crunch time is coming because he, you know, he'd promised solve this issue very quickly. one day, well maybe anyway, now it's kind of change on the day after becomes president. there is the logan act . i mean that would be illegal in temporary, lo negotiating now and they would hold it, hold it against them. but it, george, you mean we already heard the trump wanting to invite the chinese leader she to the inauguration and i suppose, respectfully, but chinese declined and now maybe just bring food in zalinski to the you'll know

if you ration george he's are not serious people. george: no, it's not. i mean, so we, we go through these interviews. i'm a trump is being giving quite a link to the interviews and gave a, a, an interview a few days ago to time magazine with a name to him, person of the, than the he had given a long interview to meet the press and, and he's always pressed on this question of your praying and whenever he speaks essentially, you know people can come out and think one thing or the other. so you get the people well um, who believe? well, who hold the trunk will just simply bring this more to an end and just simply say, that's it. you know enough already. it's, it's time to call it a day. they can read things in there and say, oh low. trump said that it's

a big mistake. to have bones. uh, russia you know, uh, in deep inside rough to general traits. that's dangerous escalation. trump said no, no, no, that that's a really bad idea. so we have low trumps of the dangers escalations preventive. other times they say, hey, but look a trunk, this is said, the zalinski is ready to make peace. it's time for put into response. so there's a high low, it is so easy to trump is clearly indicating that it's built in, which stands in the way of these nodes, the landscape. so you know, you base your money and you take your choice, what, what do you want to believe? i mean, if you want to use this common sense, i think you would put forward a base plan, something along the lines of, of what do is being written by a catalog. what of the d. j d events into that in various interviews during the election. freeze the conflict in place, but also the nathan nathan membership or ukraine into the in depth of the future.

and in the meantime, you know, send ukraine, everything we've got, you know, just use it as a kind of a single ad prof carrier. oh, that's the thing though, to be the plan. i don't think it's going to be acceptable. so why the side? and so then the question is, which weight is from good to go? i mean, if it's unacceptable, you either gibbs up. oh, he blames one side or the other. now, given the consensus in the, in washington, i suspect that he's going to blame russia as a, it's a, it's russia that stands in the way of these. yeah, because in, in these interviews also, he said he of the us with the band and ukraine. so you can add, gotta do with it as well. what does that mean? i don't know, you know, deem of the problem. and we've spoken about this so many times. the problem with a trump piece plan, a trump piece initiative, a drum ceasefire. you know, the whole lexicon, but there's

a little problem called the heavy talk to the russians. yet, about any of this, see, that is the problem. you know, i will date myself in george. george has recently celebrated his birthday. we remember the, you know, more we remember nixon's negotiations with um, uh, with um, with the, with vietnam in paris. and george will agree with me. the war was raging on as they were negotiating. okay. and that is usually how negotiations were a tough them with these does not come to an end. negotiations happen during hostilities. and this is something that trump administration is avoiding. not aware of, i mean you have docked in sebastian gorka out there and a lot of other low walk teen thinkers. so i have no idea what to make of all of this. and i really worry because the famous phrase is it takes 2 to tango and

how i see is trump tap dancing. go ahead, diem, or oh, or i think there are 2 main groups here. first, there is a very hostile media you there when i have to states and in western europe, which will try to bulk any talks, especially secret thoughts between the united states and russia. i mean, you can imagine what price period where i work here. don't you think it, there, there is something like that going on. i mean, even the us as shown how much of the stains it to europe and allies during all this . that's just my kind of putting out therapy. and oh, i know, i do have several people who took part in the back channel and the blue shield where we experience back channel and it will increase between the soviet union as the states. and they will say it's very out there. there's absolutely no evidence of that that there's not a single travelers. and 2nd, do we have

a capable negotiate to solve them a site? i mean i read the book by a keith kyle, that's not the only he's article. tell me when i was quoting from april this year, but also his book story, he's just kind of glad to pro she full of old problems. never gifts which are simplistic like uh, by the soft bluegrass. and that's why the tragedy in your brain crap. why not? it was not stopped abruptly curious, thinks like obama was never a friend, always ro, but she dearly loved you wrong. well, can you tell me and are the lie, you know now the little boy, the lie that, that uh so oh, do we have people can negotiate on the other side. that's a good question. and they're a teacher the problem itself. so would be colonial, like crazy savages like kid and the child, the why don't we have the to tribal tribal chief, deigns made themselves. okay. may be when the, my, you know, the race no problem for them. they will,

ceasing wise people will look them up in the room and everything will be result. you know, she does look, treat task as siegel are people, you know, who also have programs will have. uh, uh, i would say kind of died cheap, little sometimes. uh, she is like, uh no, it's simply fine. everything. uh and suggesting simplistic solutions. steel. uh, people like, uh, a trump here more than by those because by that was just unable to suggest a key line before they door gee, was declared graphing china abs. and when, and which was ready to supply any amount of weapons, to your grain, or to a new onto the ground, if we can, you think damage or rush it, we're trying to, that's the more dangerous sports. uh so we are in a very, very precarious situation. but oh, it was only for is a colonial mind. the bear, you know, mr. trump, us all the more. so, george,

is that what we talked about in the 1st part of the program? what, what conclusions as nato land draws your wellness sleep, in my opinion, syria is weak. yes, area was weak and it fell. ok. the right hand must be weak. russia must be weak. okay. this is the, this is a narrative. they're going to run away. but they fail to understand how, in this case, how russia views the conflict. now they looked at what was going on after the end of the 1st part of the proxy war and serious. i bet you guys haven't finished up and mrs. i'm out and going conflict and the conclusion, i think the russian side is going to draw is that, well, this conflict in ukraine has to be resolved. it doesn't have to be that there won't be a break. there won't be a pause. it must be resolved. that is the biggest danger that we have as the trump

people try to grapple with us because they're not taking that on board. they are looking for a pulse george. so i, i think is right. i mean, i, i think that's the only conclusion that russia can draw from what happened in the syria. and of course, what happened earlier in the ukraine, you know, with, you know, stopping, but as far as the, the agreement between younger co which and the opposition for all the less postponed elections for 6 months. and then, and then also is the the ministry agreement, which is, well, if you just let things simmer the west is going to move in unexplained the pause and see a whatever advantage you can get it immediately. and the west was very open about this. i mean, randall, remember, and john mccain and lindsey graham, you know, used to make these tracts, the gay evans, that this is the year of reckoning. we're going to, you know, love everything with god, with the russian. so in russian news, there's a level, it makes very little sense to freeze the conflict in place. it's spelled it

unfreeze anything. i mean it's, it's basically like a fine wisdom that you get the data is absolutely. let's use the next 5 years to, you know, make you grand as strong as possible. and then we saw the everything up again in the, in 5 years. look at the speech that was delivered a few days ago by the new nato secretary general margarita, who declared that we need a, a war mindset in later. you said we've got this thing because we are in the war. and you know, we're going to increase our military spending to co low levels because the world is more dangerous than it was during the cold war. is it what kind of a no. is that? but that's the, there was the rhetoric coming out of, of, of need to and then, and then you also have them and give them the oversee concerns. among some them,

which is the europeans that trump is going to pull the plug on ukraine. so there is now a total of a new contact group. this is, this is the, the, the, the man was elected to be chancellor, germany in february, fredericka, mallets. the cd usually that you want us to create the contact group. and they to, to make sure that there's no abandonment of the ukraine. the contact group comprising germany, france, and poland. so, you know, that was it was, we have the most belligerent states to me to make sure that the, we keep this will going. so feel of the russians and you're looking at this, the why, why would just agree on anything, i mean, what, what would be the point that email is george, keep it up for you. i mean, what, why would the russians even be remotely interested in any of these ideas? i mean, if, if the europeans are preparing for a long war or long struggle will rush, it has to react to mean

a name again. and i always supposed to be very interesting is they treat rushes as some kind of obstruction. isn't like some kind in a vacuum or something. obviously they're reading the signals, the money. but this is precisely the reason why uh, rusher says the gold uh for the um, solution in the 1000 to 22. uh, opportunities for uh to go stations very exhaust. yeah, i mean the west which is ready to support. uh, h t s against the secular government, syria, the west, which supports easily uh, destroying tens of thousands to children and the elderly people in does that. how can you negotiate with these people have and also look at these people who use it for years. we've heard from the european union country spike, we don't fight, we are on august of peace and secure against them barcode. the says, we must what all of our industry on the 14, where inside describe,

read more. you know, we, we don't want to spend that wouldn't be fine out of time, but there is an option named refuse to entertain. it's called diplomacy. we'll see . like, i firmly believe ukraine will be a real headache for donald trump. all right, that's all the time we have on a thing, my guessing budapest, in here in moscow. and of course i want to think it'd be worse for watching us here . are to see you next time. remember brussels, the russian states never. i've side as i'm one of the most sense community best most i'll send send the same assistance

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