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is good widens if the by the administration continues to turn the blind item, these well actions. it's deeply worrying that the binding ministration is doing this. they have what 36 days left. and they've actually begun to testify even more on multiple fronts. and not only, not only internationally, but also domestically, i might add a long or southern border. now the israel is of expanded into other areas. and so i see this as an a further escalation. and i think the amenities have a way of, of coming out and, and continuing their, their, their role and um, in support of the, of the, of the palestinians. because the israelis now have really become the aggressors in a major way of going into syria and got that. so that was an invasion going into 11th. and that was an invasion and the west assignment about that. but uh they this
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intensification now and giving them then yeah, car last to go into iran is, is something that i say that young will act upon before trump actually takes it takes office. and i think that if israel goes into iran or attacks it in any way, shape or form, especially it's nuclear sites, which is their goal. it's then, then i think you're going to see a whitening of this conflict which could bring russia into a 2 to 2 on the side of the iran. and before we go breaking news, just coming in right now, it shows the 2 suspects and the fascination of the russian general eagle kerry law and his aid had been detained. and r t a source as report now of the way identified from ctv camera footage. one of the suspects brought the explosive laden's kuta to
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the entrance of the apartment block, where general carrie loved exited from before he was killed. also, it says that those. busy are to use are investigating whether those 2 suspects may be involved in this house of nations execution. we sadly bring new updates as to be on fold. now stay with all the international for all the latest from around the well to see you again at the top of the find the the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter level,
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syria, as a sovereign state has ceased to exist, can the western back h t s, and other groups establish some kind of central control and who or what will ultimately determine the fate of the syrian people, the crossing syria and joining by my guess michael maloof in rest and he is a former pentagon senior security policy analyst in tampa. we have larry johnson, he is a former c. i a analyst, and us state department and counter terrorism official and trying to do a valley. we cross who michael? sure. he is the former head of the been logged, an issue station at the c i a r, a gentleman comstock rose in effect. that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate michael, let me go to you 1st and in reston. i'm in my introduction, i said that that syria has ceased to be a sovereign state, a failed state essentially. do you agree with that assessment and what does it mean
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for the region and further afield? go ahead, michael. in restin it is. um it is. it is now no longer a secular state. it's probably going to be coming this law me state. but it, but that was still too early to tell. although we're still saying we're again, it was the science of it. uh, there's already serial law being imposed and is syria. people are becoming a little more cautious and fearful, even though they were jubilant at 1st with the over throw of a side. i think that part of the problem too, is going to be that you're going to have battles between the turkey and, and ultimately is, is real over the progress of the property over this with this as a pay over the state. and i think that we're going to be seeing uh, a lot more consternation and people in the region before long. and if israel decides to be a field boy and decide to go after you're wrong,
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that won't do that. and i'll put it up to a region the reason why catastrophe and that will ultimately bring in the russians . but um and, but i think that uh, the syria right now is, is in a state of flux of the serious themselves. i would say this really based, they have giovanni in in their pocket, but i don't think so because i've heard delani actually say that jerusalem was the next stage. yeah, it's interesting a larry baby, i'm glad that michael brought up a. it's no longer a secular state. because we haven't heard b and leaders saying to syrians been moved here because you have to go back right. and go back to that. okay, but this is what's really quite amazing. larry a michael already touched upon it and this is a very broad question. it may be almost impossible to answer, but will, will american hegemony prevail will, is it is really zine isn't prevail or,
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or will air the ones neil ottoman ottoman isn't prevail? i mean there are 3 major attend attenders going on right now, and they may be happy with the it'd be immediate outcome, but i don't see how they can work together for very long moving into the future. go ahead. yes. syria is arabic for yugoslavia who so uh and unlike yugoslavia you've got at least 4 different groups that are going to be buying for survival. so yeah, 75 percent of the country is considered a sunni muslim. but you've got the curves out to the east. the drew's to the south, the follow ups are scattered in there. so what we're seeing is devolving to each group, trying to assert some control. the drugs that are said, hey, we'll, we'll join up with you as rightly surely they'll protect us of the, within the city community. there is no unity of the. there are various
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branches of vices, various levels of extremism, infront, frankly, i'm anticipating that some of them are going to start turning on july. any, because he's, he's pretending to be woke and progressive. and, you know, we, i don't, the only thing hasn't come out with a suggest that is pronoun survey and bad. yeah, it's very interesting. they really go to the other michael here because a few days before i think this is the the best headline of all times on this issue here. a few days before the 4th resume change, the daily telegraph road had an a title. how serious diversity friendly jihad is planning on building a state? let's go to the head there, michael. i mean, i mean is, this is a to pre suppose that we know nothing. the audience knows nothing about what's going on in the middle east. nothing that's going on in syria. nothing about the dirty board that has been uh, been in there since 2011. i mean, what are they talking about? yeah. hot is that, are diversity friendly?
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go ahead. there is no such thing, sir. uh, it's a, it's a ridiculous headline, i think. and one thing we have not talked about is there's a 4th player in the 4th player in the region in syria. and eventually, jordan will be the most from can surgeons. we made a mistake to mr. fulton, and mr. trump made a mistake. they, they really badly damaged isis with their cover and they claimed victory. and i don't know if you've had a much coverage there, but here in the united states, there's been almost no coverage for the past since been lived and died of any real analysis of what the, what the insurgents were doing or what the terrorists were doing. and i think you're going to see that the major players here are the guys and, and the battle over the long run. and because they have an unlimited amount of man
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power, especially since july he raised the idea of jerusalem. is that the, the but the money should be after america's last everywhere since 1945, you know, is the money. it's got to be on the guys who have beaten the americans and nato and russia in afghanistan. so i think that's the big player. that's what's not been talked about, and i said i, i, i hope i'm wrong. but i'm pretty sure that the intelligence community has not done a real good job and keeping up to date on what they thought were the remnants of the majority. i absolutely agree with me. let me go to the other, michael here because this is the, the mistake that actually was made was believing that the dirty war was over the, the proxy war was over. and i n n a. i don't want to go into great detail here, but the russians are seeing, thinking about this, thinking about ukraine, no one finished business. okay. because that's what happened in syria. they let it fester, they let uh, it glib faster. and this is what you get here. and this,
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do you loudly couldn't tennessee create a central government? i mean, is he just in, in for him figure michael. interesting. i don't think so. i think he's already as, as, as um, where is pointed out. there's already opposition grind. uh, what i'm on the fax is, look, you've got a conglomerate of days. you have other splintered groups there. now there is no indication that there's an ability to unite and i'll tell you something else that's worry some to me. and that is that the christians in, in syria and the other diverse groups are going to be threatened included, especially the christians. and i'm also hearing from my friends and 11 on their concern to christians and 11 of our very concern. not only because of the h t s, but because of this riley's so they're, they're going to be getting it from both hands. because if you recall, the israel is upset. this is it's, it's the praise to denial for them,
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given their messianic message that they're and they're a bit. it's a ways that they want to carry on. now they consider this to be their, their god given mission to, to re conquer all that they want serious they want. they want even they even what parts of the euphrates, i get it to the euphrates and into iraq. and that then conflicts with, with turkey, because turkey has designs on areas that, that are in northern, syria and into iraq as well. not to mention the, the cottages and central asia. and so what obviously centralize you're doing some operational stuff. you can see the turkey to pull them it's, it's been there for hundreds and hundreds of years. so this, this, this uh, the turmoil is just beginning. this is not going to be selling what one way or the one, whatsoever. yeah, with larry, that's the intent. i mean, it's already been mentioned that us is not one or more since the 2nd world war.
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chaos is the intention. that's the plan. larry. well, well, i'm not sure it's the plan, but it certainly is the outcome. ok. let's re, let's remember that the central intelligence agency, along with the m i 6, have been working strenuously since at least 2011, to promote the overthrow of of bosher alo side. and they've been doing so in concert with the turks. now just because you've got a c, i a and my 6 and then mit in turkey working together. does that mean that they all share the same purpose or objective? the turks have always had their own agenda, but inherited all of this was the willingness to provide direct support to these as law make extremists that were embodied by isis. he and you know, the extreme is that when all outside of the i was all as a watery, had to write a letter to them telling, you know, then is our call. we the head of vices to,
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to chill, to cool at the stop killing, all those she, i'm assaults, you know, they'll, you're gonna, you're gonna run it for us. uh so, you know, this is what we have out of. we don't, gilani is the head of high yacht career, i'll show him which is that our break off promises. and so the 2 that i described with these islamic extremist groups as like hidden mercury, they will scatter and, and, and then they can fall into different elements, but they're still the same element of mercury. well, we haven't changed shape or nature. so i'll go to our other michael here. i mean, is there such a thing as a moderate terrorist because that's what we're being sold? well, i don't know if they're cherished or not in all cases. i think they're one of the most amazing and searching forces. we've ever seen in the history of the world really i, i, i believe that the worst is going to happen every possible way because there's no one running this thing except these release us,
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or congress is owned by the israelis. our presidents are owned by the israelis listen to the wild nonsense that trump talks about supporting these regulations, wiping people out. you know, it's a bottom line. if, if there's a country less important to the united states than syria, it's hard to imagine who it, what is. it's important to all the buses, intelligence officers, if we get assigned to work, do the job. but i mean, if there was no syria who cares from the american perspective, it's just a matter of the united states shedding itself of these really tons on its feet, dragging it down into the ocean. and the only way to do that is to stop the, for the, the, the blatant public driving of american officials in the united states. um, otherwise this is going to go on until israel's gone, you know, we haven't mentioned jordan jordan's not that good position. yeah. i heard i heard yesterday some somebody said on the radio that the 82nd airborne is going to be sent there to be butcher it. sorry. yeah,
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i agree with all of you. this is the beginning of something, not the end of something here. gentlemen. i have to jump in here, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on syria. stay with our team, the . the,
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[000:00:00;00] the welcome back across sack. were all things are considered? i'm peter leveled to mind you were discussing syria, the . okay, let's go back to him, michael and rest. and while i'm looking at all of our faces on this program on this panel, and i think that it's fair to say that we all remember very, very well the global war on terrorism. michael, what happened to that?
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i mean, if we're happy that a black flag is flying over damascus, then what was all that all about? what was the global war on terrorism all about too? well, turkey is trying to make it sound like it's just a little right to have time group. but they're really in control of their truck. you don't see that anymore. although the problem of terrorism is very real, syria today as a potential of becoming a new isis state. instead m m m m m m, and i think iraq is going to be concerned. that's why the back of 2014, they didn't have the popular mobilization force as they do now. and they, and i think the sheer will be more than happy to meet them and they have the p, a map of all also come in to syria to deal with isis in the past. so i think that they're getting ready because they're rock by the
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h t s as being threatened as well. and i would say that with turkey as a, as a neil ottoman does a with it's the ottoman ambitions you've got. you've got another problem lingering and that is that the golf era of countries do not want another ottoman influence in the region and, and that, and you're going to see them back to more is real as, as a result. but to a point. but, but uh you watch, saudi arabia, you a very, they were trying to buy for the influence not only back into serious is bad, aside, had been invited back to the aram lee. he was beginning to be allowed to come back to join the group. once again, and then this, this thing happened. so i think that we're going to be seeing more turmoil. i think turkey is going to be a problem, but i also see the potential for syria becoming a new isis states. yeah, it's interesting, larry, i mean, it came across
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a new story earlier this morning, you know, h t, i, so we'll make sure that isis isn't revived in, in syria. and i'm just thinking it's, it has an isis, i mean, i'm sorry, maybe i'm not as nuances. the other people are, but i mean, or the terrorist versus terrorist, the beach, what's going on here? or? yeah, well you know, you read the bible, you get as you know, add them the get chain enable cane enabled the dad the dad. well, i so started as a, is a fairly unique entity within the whole is law makes the world. it was different in character and it, it fragmented, and one of it's the successors was all new strong. well, oh hi out. a tory or i'll share, i'm h t s. came out of this or unless we call it was our mission, 2013. that's actually carried out the center on the gas attack that was staged to, to make it appear that it was government of syria. so the, these entities with,
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in this ultra, you know, this is law, make extreme community works that they insist that they, they have the truth of god. and that their mission is to require others to adhere to that truth and that, but the same time they will fight amongst themselves. and that's why i think some of the, the i actually, i don't think jolanda is long for this world to give in his attempts to assume a moderate demeanor. it may be welcomed in the west, but he should look at the time magazine cover of, of a load of mirrors, the lensky, the west may love you, but once you become a part of the west, you don't have long to have it a. well, let me go to the 2nd, michael here. i mean, what is the, what is a road record of empowering these types of groups and being able to keep control over them. i mean, is this as an intentional demolition slow burn or are these could you actually
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reform these groups because they don't see that they the historical record shows that i mean you, you should be careful what you wish for. go ahead. you know, you can't reform to be the we in the west are much less prone to thinking that guy goes away in it, in the head for us and invariably to it the most one with them would you be and you see that when they lose a battle, they argue that well we weren't good enough this time, the lord didn't approve it, we'll try it again. and we saw that during the ask in moore's. we'll see that again . now, but this, this one that is different and you asked what happened to the war on terrorism. there never was a war on terrorism. there was a war on the line. and when he was dead, we, we, we surrendered this gate. and the point for that we, we never got, sir, is that been lost and died victorious?
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but you had was self perpetuating it. what it is, once he had written throughout his whole career, that we want to get to the point where it all kinda is not necessary. and it's, um, we're now faced with the, the progeny of that guys with, with the several victories under their balance against the world's greatest powers will come out of afghanistan. and there's lots of basis in afghanistan also. and i think we're going to see, uh, it's going to take time. but the idea that is we always going to form a greater israel, unless the entire american military is based on the rack border. there's no, there's no chance of that. what we're looking at is you have another last war if, if the flows decide to use american power there as well. you know, michael, the, the ap i, d e. your appetite is a result of how much you eat. ok,
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and the appetite now on the menu is iran. and you see that all through western media. unfortunately it's bi partisan in the united states. is it read next on the menu? go ahead. oh, according to name. yeah. who it is, and i think he wants to act quickly. you're hearing him saying that you're not hearing any disagreement of donald trump. so like this is, this is problematic. i. i also see the possibility that we're going to that um the, the, he's going to try that netanyahu will try to make a move very, very rapidly on, on the iran, because he's, he's, he's on a sugar high right now. and he, and he wants to take advantage of this. he feels he's designated all these other elements, but frankly, isis and all these other terrace groups. h t us are all instruments of turkey and the united and, and united states and israel. and they have been doing their bidding. if you look at what some of the attacks inside of your rock,
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some of them were instigated by isis at the behest of most uh, so you know, they, these, these west, these countries are, are utilizing these terrace groups as instruments of their own. um, aggrandizement if you will, to try to maintain influence. but the united states is losing every time we, we, when do anything, we create even more havoc and more unrest and turmoil. and that's, and i think it's purposeful. yeah, i think it's purpose well, i've concluded that is purposeful, because not only israel, but the defense industrial complex requires that. what, what do you think about that, larry? because i think that, i mean, there's a lot of talk about around, but i mean, i think of well for squeezing change and in lebanon is very much on the agenda. and jordan is looking, it's always looking very wobbly. do you think that, that that's the next stage of this here?
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because i, i think there's a sense of momentum and then people want to take advantage of it. and trump, he says these things, you could interpret it the way you want it and finish the job, finish it off, whatever that means larry. but i think for talking momentum to momentums more like a guy that jumps out of an airplane and the power sheet doesn't open any doesn't haven't reserve. so yes, there is momentum, but i think it's called gravity and it's her lean towards disaster. the united states has been to the, to put it kindly, morally flexible when it comes to the issue of terrorism. for years we have the emotional heading of call the, i'm a k on our list as a terrorist organization. and yet, oh, it started with the bush administration, but it was uh, certified by the obama administration. they were taken off the terrace list and then we began helping arm train fund and they were carried out terrace. you're carrying out terrorist attack. so and when i say terrorism,
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i'm talking about the use of violence against civilians for political purposes. oh, i do not love attacks on military personnel in the same category. we, uh, we have another word for that. i believe it's called war. uh, but uh, this us efforts led to the assassination of nuclear scientists and, and in the rod. so here again, as we were in 2012 of funding, the hottest of via turkey, that were killing christians that were killing through several killing all. what's of the united states has got blood on his hands and we haven't learned anything. so there's the sewing of chaos without a clear strategic plan in mind is ultimately i think, going to blow back on this. now i'm going to say, i'm going to say steadfast. i think the strategic plan is chaos. and you just wait
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for the outcome that you want. you might might let me go to the other. michael here, michael. a year from now. what is the map going to look like? is it going to be a syria? will it be a rum state? will be greater, damascus, where israel is a fascinating country. it never determine, it never delineates its borders. so it's good to continue with to expand degree or disagree. you know, i think it's going to be an expansion to state. it always has been, it always has been able to come down the americans to play the full funky. and that's what we're doing now. i think it a year from now it's going to look like a scanner stand or, or something like that. because it's going to take time for people to get there from the philippines, from malaysia, from egypt, from all kinds of places, from the united states, from europe. now this, since there's so many muslims, and the europeans may at some point be tied down by, uh, uh, uh, muslims, in their own countries. we can forget that,
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that ukraine is the biggest going smuggler in the world. and i have to think that the that was not ignored by most of the leaders in europe. you know, they have a long term view. they don't know how they're going to get there, but they know they're going to get there because that's what the lord wants. and if you don't take that into mind and we never do what we're always surprised and i, i think people would be shocked in. i'm retired now, so i don't know if it's changed for the better. at the absolute ignorance of the world, of other people's face, of other people's day to day life. we don't give a damn, we don't understand it. if it's not mark secret, we don't want to read it. america is the worst lead nation on earth when it comes to foreign policy, as well on fox sports like jeremy live, run out of time. but you know, well i'll just invoke the phrase maybe this time it'll be different. i doubt it. ok
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