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hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered. i'm theater, lavelle, syria, as a sovereign state has ceased to exist. can the western back h t s, and other groups establish some kind of central control and who or what will ultimately determine the fate of the syrian people, the crossing syria and joined by my guess michael maloof interest and he is a former pentagon senior security policy analyst in tampa, we have larry johnson, he is a former c. i a analyst, and us state department and counterterrorism official and trenadore valley. we crossed to michael sure. he is the former head of the been logged in issue station at the c. i a, are a gentleman comstock rose in effect. that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate michael. let me go to you 1st and in reston, i'm in my introduction. i said that um that syria has ceased to be a sovereign state,

a failed state essentially. do you agree with that assessment and what does it mean for the region and further afield? go ahead, michael. in restin it is. um it is. it is now no longer a secular state. it's probably going to be coming this law me state. but it, but that was still too early to tell. although we're still saying we're beginning to see signs of it. there's already, serial law being imposed in the, in syria, people are becoming a little more cautious and fearful, even though they were giblin at 1st with the over throw. but besides i, i think that part of the problem too is going to be that you're going to have battles between the turkey and, and ultimately is israel over the progress of the property over the phone with us as a pay over the state. and i think that we're going to be seeing uh a lot more out of consternation and the people in the region before long. and if

israel decides to be a field boy and decided to go after iran, that won't do that. and i'll put it up to a region the reason why catastrophe and that will ultimately bring in the russians . but um it, but i think that uh, the syria right now is, is in a state of flux of the serious themselves. i would say this really think they have the giovanni in in their pocket, but i don't think so because that for july they actually say that the jerusalem was the next stage. yeah, it's interesting a larry baby, i'm glad that michael brought up. uh, it's no longer a secular state because we have heard being leaders saying to syrians, they move to your because you have to go back, right. and i'll go back to that. okay, but this is what's really quite amazing. larry a michael already touched upon it and this is a very broad question. it may be almost impossible to answer, but will,

will american hegemony prevail will, is it is really zine isn't prevail or, or will air the ones neo ottam is ottoman is a prevail. i mean there are 3 major attend attenders going on right now. and they may be happy with the it'd be immediate outcome, but i don't see how they couldn't work together for very long moving into the future. go ahead. yes. syria is arabic for yugoslavia who so uh and unlike yugoslavia you've got at least 4 different groups that are going to be buying for survival. uh so yeah, 75 percent of the country is considered a sunni muslim. but you've got the curbs out to the east, the drew's to the south. the follow ups are scattered in there. so what we're seeing is devolving to each group, trying to assert some control, the drugs that are said, hey, we'll, we'll join up with you as friendly. surely they'll protect us. of the,

within the city community. there is no unity of the. there are various branches of vices, various levels of extremism in front of frankly, i'm anticipating that some of them are going to start turning on gilani, because he's, he's pretending to be work in progress. and you know, the, i don't, i, the only thing hasn't come out with a suggested that is pronoun survey and bad. yeah. it's very interesting. and then when they go to the other, michael here because a few days before, i think this is the the best headline of all times on this issue here. a few days before the 4th resume change, the daily telegraph road had an a title. how serious diversity friendly jihad is planning on building a state? let's go to the head there, michael. i mean, i mean is, this is a to pre suppose that we know nothing. the audience knows nothing about what's going on in the middle east. nothing that's going on in syria. nothing about the

dirty board that has been meeting in there since 2011. i mean, what are they talking about, joe hodges that are diversity friendly? go ahead. there is no such thing, sir. uh, it's a, it's a ridiculous headline. i think and one thing we have not talked about is there's a 4th player in the 4th player in the region in syria, and eventually, jordan will be the most from can surgeons. we made a mistake. mr. fulton and mr. trump made a mistake. they, they really badly damaged isis with their cover and they claim victory. and i don't know if you've had it much coverage there, but here in the united states has been almost no coverage for the past since been lived and died. any real analysis of what the, what the insurgents were doing, what the terrorists were doing. and i think you're going to see that the major

players here are the guys and the battle over the long run. and because they have an unlimited amount of man power, especially since july he raised the idea of jerusalem. is that the, the but the money should be extra america's last everywhere. since 1945, you know, is the money. it's gotta be on the guys who have beaten the americans and nato and russia in afghanistan. so i think that's the big player. that's what's not been talked about. and i said, i, i, i hope i'm wrong. but i'm pretty sure that the intelligence community has not done a real good job and keeping up to date on what they thought were the remnants of the majority. i absolutely agree with me. let me go to the other, michael here because this is the, the mistake that actually was made was believing that the dirty war was over the did. the proxy war was over. and i n n a. i don't want to go into great detail here, but the russians are seeing, thinking about this, thinking about ukraine. no, on finished business. okay. because that's what happened in syria. they let it faster, they let a,

it live faster. and this is what you get here. and this too loudly couldn't tennessee create a central government? i mean, is he just in, in for him figure michael. interesting. i don't think so. i think he's already as, as, as um, larry is pointed out. there's already opposition growing among the faxes. look, you got a conglomerate of gays, you have other splintered groups there. now there is no indication that there's an ability to unite and i'll tell you something else. so that's worry some to me. and that is that the christians in, in syria and the other diverse groups are going to be threatened included, especially the christians. and i'm also hearing from my friends and 11 on their concern, the christians and 11 of are very concerned. not only because of the h t s, but because of the israelis. so is there they're going to be getting it from both

hands. because if you recall the israel, as i've said this is it's, it's the praise to denial for them. and given their messianic message that there and there and it's a ways that they want to carry on. now they consider this to be their, their god, given the mission to to re conquer all that they want serious they want. they want even they even what parts of the you freight i get it to the euphrates and into iraq. and that been conflicts with, with turkey. because turkey has designs on areas that, that are in northern, syria and into iraq as well. not to mention the, the cottages and central asia. and so what obviously, central asia doing some operational stuff. you can see the target to pull them it's, it's been there for hundreds and hundreds of years. so this, this, this uh, the turmoil is just beginning. this is not going to be selling what one way or the one, whatsoever. yeah, with larry. that's the intent. i mean,

it's already been mentioned that us is not one or more since the 2nd world war. chaos is the intention. that's the plan. larry. well, well, i'm not sure it's the plan, but it certainly is the outcome. ok, let's. let's remember that the central intelligence agency along with a m i 6, have been working strenuously since at least 2011. to promote the overthrow of of bosher alo side, and they've been doing so in concert with the turks. now, just because you've got a c i a and my 6 and then mit in turkey working together. does that mean that they all share the same purpose or objective? the turks have always had their own agenda, but inherited all of this was the willingness to provide direct support to these as lot make extreme is that were embodied by isis. he and you know, they're extreme is that when all i'll tie to law for, we had to write

a letter to them telling, you know, the ends are call we the head of vices about to, to chill, to cool at the stop killing, all those she, i'm assaults, you know, they'll, you're gonna, you're gonna run it for us. uh so you know, this is what we have out of. we don't, gilani is the head of high yacht career. i'll show him, which is that our break off promises. and so the 2 that i described with these islamic extremist groups as like hitting mercury, they will scatter and, and, and then very component of different elements. but they're still the same element of mercury. well, they haven't changed shape or nature. so i'll go to our other michael here. i mean, is there such a thing as a moderate terrorist because that's what we're being sold? well, i don't know if they're terrorists or not in all cases. i think the one of the most amazing and searching forces we've ever seen in the history of the world really. i, i, i believe that the worst is going to happen every possible way because there's no one

running this thing except these release, or congress is owned by the israelis. our presidents are owned by the is really, is listen to the while nonsense that trump talks about supporting the use release and wiping people out, you know, at the bottom line. if, if there's a country less important to the united states in syria, it's hard to imagine who it, what is it's important to all of buses, intelligence officers, if we get assigned to work, do the job. but i mean, if there was no serious tears from the american perspective, it's just a matter of the united states shedding itself of these really tons on its feet, dragging it down into the ocean. and the only way to do that is to stop the, for the, the, the blatant public driving of american officials in the united states. um, otherwise this is going to go on until israel's gone, you know, we haven't mentioned jordan jordan's not that good position. yeah. i heard i heard

yesterday some somebody said on the radio that the 82nd airborne is going to be sent there to be butcher it. sorry. yeah, i agree with all of you. this is the beginning of something, not the end of something here. gentlemen. i have to jump in here, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on syria. stay with our team, the the, the,

[000:00:00;00] the the welcome ex, across stock. were all things are considered. i'm peter leveled to mind. you were discussing syria, the okay, let's go back to him, michael and rest. and while i'm looking at all of our faces on this program on this panel, and i think that it's fair to say that we all remember very, very well the global war on terrorism. michael, what happened to that? i mean, if we're happy that a black flag is flying over damascus, then what was all that all about? what was the global war on terrorism all about too? well, turkey is trying to make it sound like it's just

a little right. okay. time group that they're really in control of their truck. you don't see that anymore. although the problem of terrorism is very real, syria today as a potential of becoming a new isis state. instead m m m m m m, and i think iraq is going to be concerned. that's why back to 2014, they didn't have the popular mobilization force as they do now. and they, and i think the sheer will be more than happy to meet them and they have the p, a map of all, all also come in to syria to deal with isis in the past. so i think that they're getting ready because they're rock by the h t s as being threatened as well. and i would say that with turkey as a, as a neil ottoman does a with it's the ottoman ambitions you've got. you've got another problem lingering and that is that the golf era of countries do not want another ottoman influence in

the region and, and that, and you're going to see them back to more is real as, as a result. but to a point. but, but uh you, you watch saudi arabia, you a very, they were trying to buy for the influence not only back into serious is bad, aside, had been invited back to the aram lee. he was beginning to be allowed to come back to join the group once again. and then this, this thing happened. so i think that we're going to be seeing more turmoil. i think turkey is going to be a problem. but i also see the potential for syria becoming a new isis states. yeah, it's interesting, larry, i mean, it came across a new story earlier this morning, you know, h t i. so we'll make sure that it's, this isn't revived in, in syria. and i'm just thinking it has an isis, i mean, i'm sorry, maybe i'm not as nuances other people are, but i mean, or the terrorist versus terrorist, the beach, what's going on here?

yeah. when you know you read the bible, you get and you know, add them the get chain, enable cane enabled be dad be get. well, i so started as a, there's a fairly unique entity within the whole is law make world. it was different and character edited, fragmented, and one of its the successors was on this ro, well out. hi, out, tory or i'll share, i'm h t s. came out of this or unless we call it was our mission in 2013. that we actually carried out the sarah and gas attack that was staged to, to make it appear that it was government of syria. so the, these entities with, in this ultra, you know, this is law, make extreme community work that they insist that they, they have the truth of god. and that their mission is to require others to adhere to that truth and that, but the same time they will fight amongst themselves. and that's why i think some

of the, the i actually, i don't think jolanda is long for this world to give in his attempts to assume a moderate demeanor. it may be welcomed in the west, but he should look at the time magazine cover of, of a load of mirrors, a lensky. the west may love you, but once you become a part of the west, you don't have longevity. well, let me go to the 2nd, michael here. i mean, what is the, what is a road record of empowering these types of groups and being able to keep control over them. i mean, is this as an intentional demolition slow burn or are these could you actually reform these groups because they don't see that they the historical record. it shows that, i mean, you should be careful what you wish for. go ahead. you know, you can't reform them because we in the western much less prone to thinking that guy because of weighing it in head for us and

invariably, to, with the muslim with them, would you, again, you see that when they lose a battle, they argue that well we weren't good enough this time, the lord didn't approve it, we'll try it again. and we saw that during the ask in moore's. we'll see that again now, but this, this one that is different and you asked what happened to the warrant terrorism? there never was a war ontario, so there was a war on the line. and when he was dead, we we, we surrendered the biscuit. and the point for that we, we never got, sir. is that been lost and died victorious? that you had with self perpetuating it, what it is once he had written throughout his whole career. and we want to get to the point where all kinda is not necessary. and it's, we're now faced with the, the progeny of that guy's list with several victories under their belts against the

world's greatest powers will come out of afghanistan. and there's lots of vices in afghanistan also. and i think we're going to see it's going to take time. but the idea that is we are always going to form a greater israel, unless the entire american military is based on the rack border. there is no, there's no chance of there. what we're looking at is you have another last war if, if the flows decided to use american power there as well. you know, michael, the, the ap, a d, e your appetite as a result of how much you eat. ok. and the appetite now on the menu is iran. and you see that all through western media. unfortunately it's bi partisan in the united states. is it read next? on the menu, go ahead. well, according to name. yeah. who it is, and i think he wants to act quickly. you're hearing him saying that you're not

hearing any disagreement of donald trump. so like this is, this is problematic. i. i also see the possibility that we're going to that um the, the, he's going to try that netanyahu will try to make a move very, very rapidly on, on the iran, because he's, he's, he's on a sugar high right now. and he, and he wants to take advantage of this. he feels he's designated all these other elements, but frankly, ices and all these other terrace groups. h t, as are all instruments of turkey and the united and, and united states and israel. and they have been doing their bidding. if you look at what that some of the attacks inside of your rock, some of them were instigated by isis at the behest of most uh, so you know, they, these, these west, these countries are, are utilizing these terrace groups as instruments of their own. um, aggrandizement if you will,

to try to maintain influence. but the united states is losing every time we we, when do anything we create even more have we can more unrest and turmoil and that's and, and, and i think it's purposeful. yeah. i think it's purpose well, i've concluded that is purposeful, because not only israel, but the defense industrial complex requires what, what do you think about that, larry? because i think that, i mean, there's a lot of talk about around, but, i mean, i think a real force we've seen changing in lebanon is very much on the agenda. and jordan is looking. it's always looking very wobbly. do you think that, that that's the next stage of bits here? because i, i think there's a sense of momentum and they, people want to take advantage of it. and trump, he says these things, you could interpret it the way you want to finish the job, finish it off, whatever that means larry. but i think for talking momentum to momentums more like a guy that jumps out of an airplane and the pair she doesn't open any doesn't have

reserve. so yes, there is momentum, but i think it's called gravity and it's her lean towards disaster. the united states has been to the, to put it kindly, morally flexible when it comes to the issue of terrorism. for years we have the emotional heading of call the, i'm a k on our list as a terrorist organization. and yet, oh, it started with the bush administration, but it was uh, certified by the obama administration. they were taken off the terrace list and then we began helping arm train fund and they were carried out terrace. you're carrying out terrorist attack. so and when i say terrorism, i'm talking about the use of violence against civilians for political purposes. all i do not love a tax on military personnel in the same category. we. we have another board for that. i believe it's called war. uh, but uh,

this us efforts led to the assassination of nuclear scientists and in, in the rod. so here again, as we were in 2012 of funding, the hottest of via turkey, that were killing christians that were killing through several killing all. what's of the united states has got blood on his hands and we haven't learned anything. so this, the sewing of chaos without a clear strategic plan in mind is ultimately i think going to blow back on this. now i'm going to say, i'm going to say steadfast. i think the strategic plan is chaos. and you just wait for the outcome that you want. you might might let me go to the other. michael here, michael. a year from now. what is the map going to look like? is it going to be a syria? will it be a rum state? will be greater, damascus, where israel is a fascinating country. it never determine. it never delineates as borders. so it's good to continue with to expand degree or disagree. you know,

i think it's going to be an expansion to state. it always has been, it always has been able to come down the americans to play the full funky. and that's what we're doing now. i think it a year from now it's going to look like, uh, espn in a stand or something like that. because it's going to take time for people to get there from the philippines, from malaysia, from egypt, from all kinds of places, from the united states, from europe, calibus since there's so many muslims in the european may at some point be tied down by, uh, uh, uh, muslims in their own countries. we can forget that that ukraine is the biggest garden smuggler in the world. and i have to think that the that was not ignored by most of the leaders in europe. and they have a long term view. they don't know how they're going to get there, but they know they're going to get there because that's what the lord wants. and if you don't take that into mind and we never do, all, we're always surprised and i,

i think people would be shocked in. i'm retired now, so i don't know if it's changed for the better. at the absolute ignorance of the world, of other people's face, of other people's day to day life. we don't give a damn, we don't understand it. if it's not mark secret, we don't want to read it to america is the worst lead nation on earth when it comes to foreign policy as well on fox sports like jeremy live, run out of time. but you know, well, i'll just invoke the phrase. maybe this time it'll be different. i doubt it. ok, i want to thank my guess and rested in tampa and shenandoah valley. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc and next time remember, prospect rules the the,

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