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the the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i am theater, live out, a solid is gone. now what, what about syria? is it gone to? it would seem so outside. powers are car being up the country. what was in international proxy war against the mask is, is turning into an international civil war. is there a place for the syrian people, the cross talking syria and joined by my guess, we risk and be real key is a security and political affairs analyst, also in lebanon. we have asian stuff. again, he is an associate professor and canada research chair in the history of the modern

middle east at the university of british columbia. and in manchester we crossed to peter ford. he is a former british ambassador to bahrain and syria. are a gentleman, cross stock rules and a tech that means you can jump any time you want and i would appreciate it every single time about sort of forward. if i go to you 1st and in manchester and the title of this program, does syria have a future? and if it does, what is it? go ahead. i'm afraid the future looks very great. very blake. indeed. now of course the, the media are in the west hoping and emphasizing the positive and the word which keeps copying is tribute ation cumulation. because there are some people in the straight to, uh, obviously overjoyed at the removal of the shop. but that's only hoss the

picture if you, if they told the cameras to the boy that we live in on, and then severed some of the 1000 streaming out every day in, in fear for their lives. tribulation would not be the would coming to their lives. so basically how for syria appears to be looking forward to the kind of future that they want. and as i'm as future and the other half or more, i'm dreading it. well, i'll let you know that there was the famous phrase that goes back to con, to lisa rice, you know, creating the new middle east. well, i suppose there is a new middle east now, but is that, is anyone security been enhanced with this dramatic change in syria? ali and they wrote, or i think that the main beneficiary or whatever to remind the fisheries as we whole know, regarding the events in serious in the immediate future. and they need to,

you're having this right of them to, to the age for their own reasons. i think that the is randy is of played on major major uh, seeing how the situation was on the fall that it was before. right before the events in syria and when benjamin video spoke about, are you in middle east now what it is that for the time being his interest or the use ready interest, converge to with that selection for us? i'm not sure how long that's going to take or i think we were really starting to see some rivalry emerging between the turkish and these radios on those. i think that nobody security has been enhanced. i don't think so. okay, security more the way it has been and it has to ex, yes, you're still designated as a good turkey. if you remember before, it was subject to terrorist attacks my system while your other groups and there's a rear wheel chance of devices can take advantage of water 2nd place. this is a very, very good environment for life. just a, throughout the, sorry,

being for these ladies. i think that the expenditure displays all day that has to be admitted and has been so they've expanded into serial. occupied additional territories. so their ambitions dot com, yahoo, i have nothing here. who is our admissions have been serviced, and it's interesting to note that sort of thing is your, how these do not have a history of targeting, as well as even the former head of the most uh, a site that this in back in 2016 so i see that these rallies have benefits and as your previous guest mention, i think there's a cost. there's an operation by washington, the, by the ministration has spoken about how they contributed to what has taken place for the in the. and i don't think that this service american interest for there to be how you studies you, how the left country, the emerging very well for there to be even a weak sight to even see. right. because as i said, that serves eliasis and particularly for president,

i like to bind to that would be, it is us typically hold on a person to electronic, sorry, that will be a disaster for him because find that he's watch we so i so seeing the great that and he took responsibility for the assassination of others. i couldn't about that. the if you recall. yeah. but be careful what you wish for. it's always the case here. she helped me if i can go to you also in lab and on here. what is the future of this region? is it neal ottoman is um, is it zionist? is that american head gemini? i mean, they all can't co mingled together for long. go ahead as well. i think at this point it's difficult to see how things are going to go, but we do have some indications in relation to what happened in caea. yeah. that as i've been mentioned, although i, i kind of disagree about the uh, whether this is benefits or doesn't benefit united states. but we do have 2 big winners on the juice. political stage, which is dirty, and israel. and i think we have to look at more than one dimension. so what are the

dimensions has to do with the minutes we struggle with the military? the distance and the existence i guess is reading. and they had gemini, and the presence of us forces in the region, including in north east and see how we have the future of us military bases in the region. so that's one dimension. the 2nd one has to do with the economics i mentioned uh no matter what we think about whether these groups the celsius thomas groups are in line or not in line with western ideology. if they adopt any liberal economic model. if they open up syria for investments, fund investments is they actually reassess it date by shows only a liberal policies that brought 30 it economic start this power into the region. then we may be seeing a kind of like a sort of speak uh gulf i zation of syria, a re alignment of celia along these lines. um, so that could be one of the future is that we're looking at. and that definitely is

very worry. so because of the level of destruction, of the syrian economy, of, of syrian infrastructure as, as this is going to be a new, all the guarantee that's just hasn't, it's not us favor which is again, every association of by chance only guarantee. then that's also a cause of concern. and lastly, maybe i'm going back to the 1st point. i do think this is a legal situation for the acts of resistance. there's no question about, oh okay, yeah, i will, i'll get to that in the 2nd part of the program. that's one of my questions here on a master ford. what about that? i mean, if there, if there's going to be any kind of a economic rebuilding and you need security, but i don't, i don't see the elements of security in, in the, in the, in the present the, even in going into the future. i, i don't see how this is going to pan out there too many competing interest or um, but the, to the key questions here. uh the, the sanctions. uh, really. and the oil. now there is, uh,

i mean decent rush uh towards the sanctions relief on the part of most of the western powers. and many of the public relations exit of the jihad. you regime of directed towards this because it was basically sanctions the data for the shop. and it may well do for the new regime if they're not listed, and therefore a people whoa dash, the united states seems in 2 minds on the sanctions relief. on the one hand, they are inclined to indulge and consolidate the new tests who are in power in damascus. but on the other, they seem to be hearing is really voices saying, hey, don't be so quick. uh you don't all these people any favors. they're not even

useful to you anymore. they've done the job. they got rid of the russians, they got rid of, you ran, they got rid of bass shot. you don't need to be make nice with these people. so i sense the united states as usual. well listen to these babies on this and we'll uh, drag it seals on sanctions really on the oil. i think the u. s. is in a bind and they will end up surrendering it to the g. hardy's, that those us troops had one main function to stop. i said, getting his hands on the oil. in theory, the troops were there to find vices. that was a fiction. uh no, it was to stop. i said, getting the oil and to use the proceeds from the sale of the oil to fund the cottage autonomous administration, whether you it doesn't need the cards anymore. well,

they couldn't let the cards go. yeah. i think that's what we'll have to. yeah, i'll we, i mean, there, that's the, the, that's the western powers having any, have any interest in a, a recovering syria. i mean, just leave it as a wasteland. doesn't that serve a purpose for the west or israel even for turkey? i think that the west policy to what syria is very much to a large degree dictated by israel. i think that southwest actually is a situation in syria, but regarding the issue of sanctions as an important point, i think we have to remember we're talking about a group of which through from a car the in the extra yes, usually was formerly high. most of the star was the us going to get the official opinion on the car. the now you're talking about a car that which was behind the cruise of september 11th. so i don't think it's going to be that easy where there use, well, once it or not,

whether once to sanctions, to remain or not, it's not going to be very easy for any american ministration. i think to remove the sentence that would put it in a very difficult, difficult situation. you're talking about the worst, have a foreign terrorist attack on the was phone land that dana, but still quite think he's a, he's a big motorcycle. so now i think that um, when it comes to which lights on the interest from the paid on his rounds interest, which device will interest the dialogue and having, i know some of these are the type of up syria now regarding the neo liberal health book, which is a colleague in may, we mentioned, i think that you will learn a lot some of the shuttle he's trying, he possibly use in c, regarding looping, and not serious adopting a more moderate steps that might be true. but there are a lot of all the hard line elements with the united states wouldn't disagree. and i think that's going to be a major issue for many of these people could be vulnerable and put the 2nd 2 whites

as for example, the year which sections which quite expect to continue to remain in place is given the hub cart building. that's also going to be another obstacle. so there are various various features of client i think, which would pose, i really, really big on the challenge and difficulty fully. i mean it's, it's very answering, we're all talking about the interest of a, the countries, but not the really the interest of the syrian people. i think that's the point of the program gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on syrian state with our, to the if you think about russia,

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operate to didn't don't pass under the orders of ukrainian special services. the hands are staying with the blood of hundreds of people who are the neighbors in the towns and villages of dumbass beach was problem is money in a career and ukraine security service in case of failure, they were guaranteed st. you and you the price. however, today's reality for them is jail time for many years. the outcome of working for ukraine. the enemy is up to 20 years in prison for terrorism and espionage. the welcome act across the dock were all things are considered on peter lavelle remind you. we're discussing syria, the

okay, let's go back to one of our guessing and little bit. i'm here. some you mentioned the become the be at the resistance. what is the state of the resistance? okay, we have to remind everyone, i am us. i may not be destroyed but gaza certainly isn't a genocide continues as we're talking about syria, depending on who you want to believe. has blogs on the back foot, not defeated, but certainly been uh, injured, syria, miraculously it's just collapsed. um, so what, where does the resistance stand or do we should, should we be talking about the resistance anymore? go ahead as well. we certainly shut down the resistance as still present the resistance in some respect system very strong. and actually if we start with guys, i move around, we can see, as you mentioned, that we are actually witnessing continued resistance and uh, you know, happening every day we have actually casualties on these very side. that being said,

of course, the situation in gaza is disastrous and is we've continues to occupy uh, territory that continues to conduct large, large scale destructive rates on gaza and displace and kim palestinians. on the lebanese front, the seas find that we have seen has stopped the fall. i think so that's one set back to it was we think about the idea of the unity of the front at the same time is really as, as failed to actually, you know, take hold of lebanese territory in the south. but there's a lot of them be due at the about the conditions of the ceasefire. there's constant violations happening, the m and these are still conducting a long range of operations, but they're not perhaps as frequent. as you mentioned, the celia has uh, you know, the soon army has been a blue part of it has been obliterated. the non state actors, i've shown extreme resilience, i should say, these are they who do use the mazda has, but look at the same time they are facing a serious challenge. because in the case of loving on the supply lines have been

caught by the new rulers. of damascus, syria was a g o strategic depth offered you strategic depths through the resistance. one is now kind of also somehow giving a lot of different magic signals. it's not conducting any attacks as it used to. so i believe that of course, so long as there is occupation and now with israel's expansion and the end up in syria, we are going to see a continued resistance. but the access itself as a viable long term uh coalition is in my opinion of that to at least speak a under enormous train and its future is on certain. and that actually task very serious question over the question of, i'm just, it's a visa, the other phones of struggling, deliberate thought, his time invested in ford out there. let's continue with it around here that you know, the appetite comes with the eating. and we obviously know that the,

the net at yahoo government has been, uh, well for the, for as long as he's been in power, been pressuring the united states, do have to go on and military adventure against the ran. what are the possibilities of that now, particularly the interim before the, the next administration? well, it ran has some sort of nature, nature blow by the law service itself on the valet syrian now these ratings of boasting. but they have a card to, according to, to tell around. and it's true that all those early warning stations are obliterated. it will be much easier now for this way the aircraft to reach uranium, the space which you the scary. so it will incline the israelis towards the venture reason and with the prospect to the friend

donald trump, coming to talk very soon it's probably whys us to hear radians to tone things down a bit. and to show that back to face. and one of the things you ran really needs to do is concentrate on the shoring all the ally, the remaining allied 11 on uh, which will lead even more support. how is it that support to go to the m logistically is a major major problem, but it may be that for the longer time it's paula needs to re conceptualize itself no longer presented itself so much as a member of the resistance and concentrate on its its own position in

level and on the position notes is constituency, mainly the she or community 11. all because when, when we look back at the wisdom of joining come us after october 2023. i think we have to do a so quick. this is the say that it was, it was not wides. that, that's easy to say with time. so i well, it, you know, it's, go back to ali with the, you know, i, i started out with a ran, but i mean, a country that is very, very weak, obviously is web and on. i mean, i, i could for see, considering the instability in the region that there would be an attempt for regime change in be root as well. i'm not sure you can apply that some resume change to buy your uh, you know, level homes are lebanese. government comes in and out the presidency that you're, that you're the good point. good,

good point. good point. good point. good point. but um, when it comes there have been fees raised about to his radius resuming their war on $11.00 on off to the exploration of these 60 day period, which is that period where the steps shouldn't be taken to start to implement. and course they cease fire. the argument is based on the assumption that the, the full size strengthens, used to be able to hand we can because of the law. so therefore his work and seized the opportunity and the only not counselor to has the law. personally, i don't think that is unlikely scenario or i think that the americans in particular have invested a lot in this case file. and i think that the incoming trump administration does the, does not want the situation to deteriorate and level on. in fact, i think one of the factors, one of the factors we stripped to the ceasefire, was the ultimatum which from gave before i remember when he visited the restaurant in michigan. and he focused on the necessity of bringing it and it happened to the

lower level in addition to the fact that it has been a lot was able to with the soul, these are increasing and the closing continues to launch me. so i was on these rarely on the front, it was down in the room. i used to be down and out quickly about the, about what a method of fluid mentioned regarding because the last priorities are things that has the law. i could look at the estate principle, the speech is being given by its use agreed general secondary causing it is focusing on the domestic situation, ensuring all the situation domestically without disregarding the resistance. so has the law is in this process of we assessment the re, evaluating, sorting out to get the priorities in the site i have costing more than way he was the one who used to be assigned with the task of the lebanese domestic situation. so we use a mobile place on how those to, you know, deal with that situation and, and focus on the domestic handle off has the last strategy it is

um and we the former leader of, of hezbollah. and that's where our he famously said without syria. there is no palestine, can you reflect upon that statement? but let me 1st say that it is, would be a mistake to think of as well as intervention is unwise in any way, shape or form. but a, precisely because we have to remember that the left stuff like the operation and what happened after it was a turning point in the, the duration was found this time because of this idea of a unity of friends. this actually emphasizes that to the secretary in nature, it would be very dangerous. it actually has, well, uh, uh, simply was throw into its quote unquote, she, uh, enviroment. and kind of became to imbedded in the lebanese domestic font, because that's generally a recipe for uh, you know, uh, increased reaction or the politics and inside level, not a lot of, as well as baltics inside. lebanon is not different from others. what actually

stood out. so it has been that historically, is it's actually resistance. it's opposition to, is it a lease that the colonialism? so it's very important to maintain that why of course, taking into account how to survive in a hostile environment. how to prevent further utilization of any determines as well . so i think we have to balance these 2 things are not simply shift to a domestic agenda. and of course, reconstruction in south lebanon is itself a form of resistance. that'd be strengthening of people's ability to go back to their homes is a form of resistance, but it has to be framed in that way as opposed to actually getting more about what's happening within the 11 on now your question about syria? historically, sir, yeah. what's the, what the, what the, you know, uh, mother, my son i said is absolutely true. celia is of the heart of, uh, you know, the struggle for palestine from the very outset. it's actually

a center for out of national. i don't, let's you, that was very much about the liberation of palestine. is that of land. it was involved in all doors with these mean and it has been, unfortunately, perhaps the only government that was willing to support under existence. we shouldn't forget, at the same time that the cause the father standing cause is not just the cause of has about, are serious. it's also the cause of georgia and it's the cause of egypt that the cause of the world around. so what i think is important at this juncture is to start pushing for a. 5 you know, a why do a network of supporters of, of, under resistance beyond celia is one to actually start to think about why isn't jordan or the, you know, people in jordan, they need to also activate, they have uh, you know, grassroots movement there for the can parties, the more the syrian front is neutralized, the more that we have to think about sustaining other friends and not actually

shutting them all down so that the only remaining front is garza, which is you know, a serious problem in the future. okay, and best center for we just have a few seconds left here. what's the stop israel from continuing its expansion? go ahead as well. the less than that the last 2 years is that only one thing can stop israel, and that's the military opposition. the nice because it's brushed aside everything else and uh, us pressure virtually nonexistent action in, in, in the un legal action a media offers. it shouldn't change to then public opinion across the world. israel is now a lawless state. exact thing, without restraints. and it feels that it can get away with anything,

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