just phone existence was on exist the the hello and welcome to cross talk. were all things are considered. i am peter live out. a solid is gone. now what? what about syria? is it gone to? it would seem so outside. powers are car being up the country. what was in international proxy war against damascus is turning into an international civil war . is there a place for the syrian people, the cross sucking syria? i'm joined by my guess. we risk in b realty as

a security and political affairs analyst, also in lebanon. we have each of the stuff id, and he is an associate professor and canada research chair in the history of the modern, middle east, at the university of british columbia. and in manchester we crossed to peter ford. he is a former british ambassador to bahrain and syria are a gentleman in cross stock roads and a text that means you can jump any time you want. and i would appreciate it every single time about sort of forward if i go to you 1st and in manchester and the title of this program, does syria have a future? and if it does, what is it? go ahead. i'm afraid the future looks very great, very blake. indeed. now of course the, the me during the west hope being emphasizing the, the positive and the word which keeps copying is tribute ation cumulation. because there are some people in the straight to obviously overjoyed

at the removal of a shaw. but that's only hoss the picture if you, if they took the cameras to the boy that we live in on. and then to hear it, some of the 1000 streaming out every day in, in fear for their lives. tribulation would not be the would coming to their lives. so basically, half of syria appears to be looking forward to the kind of future that they want. and then same as the future and the other half or more, i'm dreading it. well, i'll let you know that there was the famous phrase that goes back to con, to lisa rice, you know, creating the new middle east. well, i suppose there is a new middle east now, but it is, it, is anyone security been enhanced with this dramatic change in syria ali and they

wrote, and i think that the main beneficiary or whatever to remind beneficiaries as we whole know regarding the events in serious in the immediate future and they need to, you're having this right of them to, to the age for their own reasons. i think that the is, randy is, have played on major major uh, seeing how the situation was on the fall that it was before. right. before the events in syria and when benjamin a video spoke about the human disease. now what appears that for the time being uh his interest or the is really interest, converge with the top cushion 1st. i'm not sure how long that's going to take. i think we've already starting to see some rivalry emerging between the turkish and the use radios on this. i think that nobody security has been enhanced. i don't think so. okay, security more the way it has been enhanced texas is still designated as a group turkey. if you remember before, it was subject to terrorist attacks my system while your other groups and there's

a rear wheel chance of devices can take advantage of water. so i can place this is a very, very good environment for why it's just a rock describing for these ladies. i think that the expansion of state, all that has to be admitted then has been so they've expanded into syria, depart additional territories. so their ambitions not familiar where nothing here who is our mission has been serviced. and it's interesting to note that sort of thing is your, how these do not have a history of targeting, as well as even the former had to be most uh, a site that this in back in 2016. so i see that these rallies have benefits and then as your previous guest mentioned, i think there's a cost. there's an operation by washington. the ministration has spoken about how they contributed to what is taking place within the in order to think that this service, american interest for their to be how you studies you how the lead concrete memory

things syria was for there to be even a weak state in syria because as i said, that serves isis, and particularly for course of the items that will be a disaster because of the present, the electronic, sorry, that will be a disaster for him. because on the he's watch, we saw i so seeing the great that in the he took responsibility for the summation of about that these are recall. yeah. but be careful what you wish for it. and it's always the case here. she helped me if i can go to you also in lebanon here. what, what is the future of this region? is it neal ottoman is um, is it zionist? is that american head gemini? i mean, they all can co mingled together for a long go ahead. as well, i think at this point it's difficult to see how things are going to go, but we do have some indications in relation to what happened in celia. that as i've been mentioned, go by, i kind of disagree about the uh whether this benefits or doesn't benefit united states. but uh we do have. 6 2 big winners on did use political stage,

which is dirty and israel, and i think we have to look at more than one dimension. so what are the dimensions has to do with the limits? we struggle with the military, the distance and existence like as israel and the gemini, and the presence of us forces in the region, including in northeastern syria, the future of u. s. military bases in the region. so that's one dimension. the 2nd one has to do with the economic bi mention uh, no matter what we think about whether these groups the celsius thomas groups are in line or not in line with less than ideology. if they adopt any liberal economic model, if they open up syria for investments for an investment, is they actually reassess it date by shives, only a liberal policies that brought turkey it, economic start his power into the region. then we may be seeing a kind of like a sort of speak uh, go sized ation of syria,

a re alignment of syria along these lines. uh, so that could be one of the futures that we're looking at and definitely is very worried. so because of the level of destruction, of the syrian economy, of, of syrian infrastructure as, as this is going to be a new oligarchy, that's just hasn't, it's not most favor which is again, their association of by chance only guarantee. then that's also a cause of concern. and lastly, maybe i'm going back to the 1st point. i do think this is a legal situation for the acts of resistance. there's no question about, oh okay, yeah, i will, i'll get to that in the 2nd part of the program. that's one of my questions here on a master ford. what about that? i mean, if there, if there's going to be any kind of a economic rebuilding and you need security and, but i don't, i don't see the elements of security in, in the, in the, in the present the, even in going into the future. i, i don't see how this is going to pan out there are too many competing interest or

um, but the 2 key questions here. uh the, the sanctions. uh, really. and the oil. now there is, uh, i mean decent rush uh towards the sanctions relief on the part of most of the western powers. and many of the public relations exit of the jihad you regime of directed towards this because it was basically a sanctions that did for the shop. and it may well do for the new regime if they're not listed. and therefore, a people's hopes dash and united states seems in 2 minds on the sanctions relief. on the one hand, they that inclined to indulge and consolidate the new test who are in power and damascus. but on the other, they seem to be hearing is riley voices saying, hey,

don't be so quick. uh you don't all these people, any favorites. they're not even useful to you anymore. they've done the job. they've got rid of the russians. they got rid of, you ran, they got rid of bass shot. you don't need to be make nice with these people. so i sense that the united states, as usual, will listen to the is raven is on this, and we'll uh, drag it seals on sanctions really. on the oil. i think the u. s. is in a bind and they will end up so written during it to the jihad is that those us troops had one main function to stop. i said, getting is hands on the oil. in theory, the troops were there to find vices. that was a fiction. uh no, it was to stop that said getting the oil and to use the proceeds from the sale

of the oil to fund the cottage autonomous administration, whether you it doesn't need the cards anymore. well, the cards go. yeah, but i think that's what we'll have to. yeah, i'll we, i mean there's, that's the, the, that's the western powers having any, have any interest in a, a recovering syria. i mean, just leave it as a wasteland. doesn't that serve a purpose for what the west or israel, even for turkey. so i think that the west policy to what syria is very much to a large degree, dictated by israel. i think that southwest sees the situation in syria. but regarding the issue of sanctions, as an important point, i think we have to remember we're talking about a group of which through from a car the in the extra us usually was formerly on most of most uh, was the going to get the official opinion on the card that you're talking about,

a car that which was behind the cruise of september 11th. so i don't think it's going to be that easy where they're usually the ones that are not with the ones to sanctions, to remain or not. it's not going to be very easy for any american ministration. i think to remove the sentence that we're putting in a very difficult, difficult situation. you're talking about the worst, have a foreign terrorist attack on the it was farmed land that data, but still quite think he's a, he's a big motorcycle. so now i think that um, when it comes to which vital interest from the paid on his rounds interest, which device will interest the diane, are you getting that happening? i know some of these are the type of up syria now regarding the new liberal house book, which is a colleague in may, we mentioned, i think that you'll learn a lot some of the shuttle he's trying to possibly use and see regarding looping, and not serious adopting a more moderate steps that might be true, but there are a lot of all the hard line elements with the united states wouldn't disagree. and i

think that's going to be a major issue. for many of these people could be valuable and click the 2nd 2 whites as for example, the year which sections which might expect to continue to remain in place given the hub cart building. that's also going to be another obstacle. so there are various, various issues at clyde i think, which would pose, i really, really big on challenge and difficulty fully. okay. so it's, it's very antsy, we're all talking about the interest of, of the countries, but not the really, the interest of the syrian people. i think that's the point of the program gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on syria and state with our team, the

. the police do it for you play with the if it was somebody else doing the the push so unless i do it that up i'm listening with when somebody with the welcome back across stock. were all things are considered on peter level to remind you we're discussing syria, the

ok, let's go back to one of our guessing in a little bit. i'm here show him. you mentioned the become the be at the resistance . what is the state of the resistance? okay, we have to remind everyone, come us may not be destroyed, but gaza, certainly is in a genocide, continues as we're talking about syria, depending on who you want to believe. has blogs on the back foot, not defeated, but certainly been, uh, injured, syria, miraculously it's just collapsed. um, so what, where does the resistance stand or do we should, should we be talking about the resistance anymore? go ahead as well. we certainly shut down the resistance and still present the resistance in some respect system very strong. and actually if we start with guys, i move around. we can see, as you mentioned, that we are actually witnessing continued resistance and uh, you know,

happening every day we have actually casualties on these very side. that being said, of course, the dealership and garza is disastrous and is we've continues to occupy uh, debit story. it continues to conduct large, large scale destructive rates on gaza and displace and kim palestinians on the lebanese front, the see sign that we have seen has stopped the fall, i think. so that's one set back to if we think about the idea of the unity of the front, the same time is really as, as failed to actually, you know, take hold of lebanese territory in the south. but there's a lot of them be due at the about the conditions of the ceasefire. there's constant violations happening, the m and these are still conducting a long range of operations, but they're not perhaps as frequent. as you mentioned, the celia has uh, you know, the soon army has been blue. part of it has been obliterated. the non state actors, i've shown extreme resilience, i should say. these are they who do use the from us or has been look at the same

time. they are facing a serious challenge. because in the case of loving on the supply lines have been caught by the new rulers of damascus. syria was a g o strategic depths offered to strategic depths through the resistance. one is now kind of also somehow giving a lot of different magic signals. it's not conducting any attacks as it used to. so i believe that of course, so long as there is occupation and now with is really expansion and the, and syria, we are going to see our continued resistance. but the access itself as a viable long term uh coalition is in my opinion of jack to be speaking under enormous train and its future is on certain. and that actually task very serious question over the are the question of honors or students visa, or the other forms of struggling, deliberate thought is time investment afford out there. let's continue with it

around here that you know, the appetite comes with the eating. and we obviously know that the, the net at yahoo government has been, uh, well for the, for as long as he's been in power, been pressuring the united states, do have to go on a military adventure against the ran. what are the possibilities of that now, particularly the interim before the, the next administration? well, it ran has some sort of nature. nature blow by the last service itself on the valley, syria, now the ins, right? leaves of boasting, but they have a car to. and then a car that to turn around. and it's true that all those early warning stations are obliterated. it will be much easier now for israeli at craft to reach uranium the space which you the scary. so it will incline the israelis towards the venture arisen and

with the prospect to the friend donald trump, coming to town very soon. it's probably whys. i'll stick you radians to tell him things down a bit and to show that that's the face. and one of the things you ran really needs to do is concentrate on the shoring all the ally, the remaining allied 11 on uh, which will need even more support. how is it that support to go to the m logistically is a major major problem, but it may be that for the longer term it's paula needs to re conceptualize itself no longer present itself so much as a member of the resistance and concentrate on its its own position in

level and on the position notes is constituency, mainly the she or community and level. because when, when we look back at the wisdom of joining come us after october 2023. i think we have to do so quick. this is to say that it was, it was not wise that that's easy to say with hindsight. well it, you know, it's, go back to ali. oh the, you know, i, i started out with you around, but i mean, a country that is very, very weak. obviously is web and on. i mean, i, i could for see, considering the instability in the region that there would be an attempt for machine change in be root is what i'm not sure you can apply that some resume change to buy your uh, you know, living on zillow. let me stop and comes in and out the presidency that you

mentioned in the good point. good, good point. good point. good point. good point. but um, when it comes there has been fee is raised about to his radius resuming their war on $11.00 on to the exploration of these 60 day period. which is that period where the steps should be taken to start to implement that enforced. they cease fire. the argument is based on the assumption that the, the full strength is israel hand weakens because of the law. so therefore his world can seize the opportunity and the only not counselor to has the law. personally, i don't think that is unlikely scenario or i think that the americans in particular have invested a lot in this case file. and i think that the incoming trump administration does the, does not want the situation to deteriorate and level on. in fact, i think one of the factors, one of the factors we strip to the ceasefire was the ultimate to which from gay different member when he visited the restaurant in michigan. and he focused on the

necessity of bring it in and it happened to the lower level in addition to the fact that it has been a lot was able to with the so these increase it as the blows and continued to launch me. so i was on these right on the front and i was down in the auditor room . i used to be down and out quickly about the, about what a method of fluid mentioned regarding because the last priorities are things that has the law. i to look at the estate principle, the speech is being given by its use agreed general secondary causing it is focusing on the domestic situation, ensuring all the situation domestically without disregarding the resistance. so how's the law is in this process of reassessment, the re evaluating, sorting out to get some priorities in the shape of costing more than ready. he was the one who used to be assigned with the task of the lebanese domestic situation. so we use a mobile place on how those to, you know, deal with that situation and,

and focus on the domestic and off has the last strategy is um and we, the former leader of, of has the most rolla. he famously said without syria, there is no palestine. can you reflect upon that statement? but let me 1st say that it would be a mistake to think of as well as intervention is unwise in any way, shape or form. but precisely because we have to remember that the looks of love, the operation. and what happened after was a turning point in the liberation of palestine because of this idea of a uh, unity of friends. this actually emphasizes that to the secretary of nature, it would be very dangerous. it actually has, well, uh, uh, simply was throw into its quote, unquote, she, uh, environment, and kind of became to embedded in the lebanese, a domestic front. because that's generally a recipe for uh, you know, uh,

increased reaction or the politics and inside another, not a lot of as well as politics inside lebanon is not different from others. what actually stood out. so it has been that historically, is it's actually a systems, it's opposition to is it a lease that the colonialism? so it's very important to maintain that why and of course, taking into account how to survive in a hostile environment. how to prevent further erosion of any determines us as well . so i think we have to balance these 2 things are not simply shift to a domestic agenda. and of course, reconstruction in south lebanon is itself a form of resistance. these tried sending of people's ability to go back to their homes is a form of resistance, but it has to be framed in that way as opposed to actually getting more about what's happening within another non. now your question about syria. historically, syria, what's the, what the, what the, you know, uh martha, my son, i said is absolutely true. serious of the heart of, uh, you know,

they struggled for about his time from the very outset. it's actually a center for out of national. i don't let you that was very much about the liberation of palestine. is that a bland? it was involved in all doors with these mean and it has been, unfortunately, perhaps the only government that was willing to support on business though. so we shouldn't forget at the same time that the cause the power steering cause is not just the cause of hezbollah or syria. it's also the cause of georgia and it's because of egypt left alone because of the world around. so what i think is important at this juncture is to start pushing for a. 5 you know, a why do a network of supporters of, of, under existence beyond celia is one to actually start to think about why isn't jordan or the, you know, people in jordan, they need to also activate, they have a, you know, a grassroots movement there for the can part these, the more the syrian front is neutralized,

the more that we have to think about sustaining other friends and not actually shutting them all down. so the only remaining front is garza, which is, you know, a serious problem in the future. okay, and best so therefore we just have a few seconds left here. what's the stop israel from continuing its expansion? go ahead as well. the less than that the last 2 years is that only one thing can stop israel, and that's the military opposition. that means because it's brushed aside uh everything else. um, a us pressure virtually nonexistent action in, in, in the un legal action. a media offers it shouldn't change, has been public opinion across the well, the israel is now a lawless state. exact thing,

without restraints. and it feels that it can get away with anything, and that's being proven repeatedly over the on that no general on that. no gentleman we've run out of time. i want to thank my guest in manchester and in lebanon. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our t. see you next time and remember prospect. the the

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